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Penny24Seven · 02-08-2016, 11:40 AM

One hunnit fiddy people who are so dumb about refugees

malcolme polo · 02-08-2016, 11:57 AM

can't see the forest for the trees

RegUser · 02-08-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian837

Because Paul said so. end of thread

pimpmaster9000 · 02-08-2016, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

@crucifissio

I assume you accept my argument about Islam and now want to move onto the Roman Catholic Church. With that one, you'll get no argument from me.

You missed the trap I set you with the stats on FGM. Some are done by Christians. It's not the religion, it's the savages that preach it.

You could have pointed out the atrocities perpetrated by Christians on South Americans, French, Poland, etc. People who preached the religion and a man who most certainly did not condone any killing. Unlike the Quran.

The problem with your violent quran theory is that no western government would accept such a religion if there was any truth in islam preaching any hate whatsoever...there are mosques in every civilized country in the world...there are 350-400 mosques in israel...I win

paul, relax...islam is not out to get you...the snippets you posted are cherry picked data clusters...islamophobia sells...its a best seller...sensationalist bullshit generates clicks and audience

the media is selling you stories <---- this is what the media does...truth = less $, FEAR = more $$$

the media does not report the truth it sells "news"<-----the source of your false ideas

Sarn · 02-08-2016, 05:50 PM

Murdered by African She Sheltered

An American liberal living in Vienna was raped and murdered by the African invader she had deliberately hidden in her apartment to prevent him being deported back to Gambia, the Kronen Zeitung newspaper has revealed.
Murdered by African She Sheltered - The New Observer

Paul Markham · 02-09-2016, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

The problem with your violent quran theory is that no western government would accept such a religion if there was any truth in islam preaching any hate whatsoever...there are mosques in every civilized country in the world...there are 350-400 mosques in israel...I win

Illegal to ban a religion, we can only lock up those who incite violence. It's often impossible to deport foreigners after a prison sentence for inciting violence. Here I see your limited knowledge is hurting your argument.

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paul, relax...islam is not out to get you...the snippets you posted are cherry picked data clusters...islamophobia sells...its a best seller...sensationalist bullshit generates clicks and audience

And you post nothing but denials.

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the media is selling you stories <---- this is what the media does...truth = less $, FEAR = more $$$

the media does not report the truth it sells "news"<-----the source of your false ideas

I quoted the Quran.

Go and search for the facts that back up your argument. It will help you understand more.

Paul Markham · 02-09-2016, 01:46 AM

The dislike for refugees isn't not about race or even religion. It's about the mass migration of different cultures, skills levels and the effect it has on native communities.

Since the EU opened the borders and the Eastern European States joined, the economically successful West has seen a mass migration of unemployed, low skilled and paid people from within Europe. Making decent jobs harder to get and low paid jobs, lower in pay.

So when Merkel announces Germany is open to migrants who will risk death on the open seas, walk through peaceful countries to get to anywhere they please. It's the straw that broke the camel's back for many. Added to this, their different culture and as my pictures prove their demands and way of life.

At a time when the lower classes are struggling, they will look for the reasons. Mass migration is one of them. Add the element of a culture that refuses to integrate and live by our ethics. The future is a swing to the right.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-09-2016, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Illegal to ban a religion, we can only lock up those who incite violence.

Islam has been around way longer than any laws on religion, if it preached hate there would not be 350-400 mosques in israel alone...if islam preached hate it would not have spread so much...it would be banned in many places, laws or no laws...but it is not...because your argument is fundamentally flawed

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

And you post nothing but denials.
I quoted the Quran.
Go and search for the facts that back up your argument. It will help you understand more.

You refuse to ask an authority...this leads me to believe your phobia is precious to you...you simply need to believe...I quoted that all catholics are gay butt fuckers...does not mean its true...

RegUser · 02-09-2016, 06:47 PM

For some reason the thread topic keeps going off the rails.
No one gives a fuck to Islam or hate or whatever.
This refugee sham has been going on in the west for over 3 decades now. Look closely at the communities that have been allowed to come in.
In UK and Canada whole villages have managed to setup colonies. IN UK people from same geographic region have arrived enmasse. Obviously one bastard gets in and then calls everyone from "back home".
Fraudsters/criminals/murderers and people who hate western way of life.
Please just tell me why westerners love these people, welcome them at the airport with money, housing, medical care while closing the door tightly shut for well educated immigrants?
Anyone???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

Paul Markham · 02-10-2016, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

Islam has been around way longer than any laws on religion, if it preached hate there would not be 350-400 mosques in israel alone...if islam preached hate it would not have spread so much...it would be banned in many places, laws or no laws...but it is not...because your argument is fundamentally flawed

Israel is a country full of Muslims. Many feel persecuted.

Study EU laws about Freedom of Speech. You refuse to look outside your small box.

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You refuse to ask an authority...this leads me to believe your phobia is precious to you...you simply need to believe...I quoted that all catholics are gay butt fuckers...does not mean its true...

Should ask people in a Mosque if those quotes come from the Quran or if they want to kill me for not believing?

I never said all Muslims want to kill. Just that the religion has a long history of killing people who don't believe in their version of Islam and Empire Building using violent methods.

You blame the Americans. Then if they were to blame, the ME would have been peaceful before the Americans intervened. Some Muslims in the ME wouldn't shoot first and talk only if dragged to the table, the ME would be democratised. And suicide bombers wouldn't believe they had 72 virgin girls waiting for them in heaven.

It's the combination of ignorance and powerful priests and rulers ruining their own country to grab a little bit of money and power. The US can't force people to fight except in self-defense against US troops. Your opinion relies on these people being easily manipulated, like mine. We differ on who does the manipulating.

Or do you deny they are being manipulated?

Paul Markham · 02-10-2016, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

For some reason the thread topic keeps going off the rails.
No one gives a fuck to Islam or hate or whatever.
This refugee sham has been going on in the west for over 3 decades now. Look closely at the communities that have been allowed to come in.
In UK and Canada whole villages have managed to setup colonies. IN UK people from same geographic region have arrived enmasse. Obviously one bastard gets in and then calls everyone from "back home".
Fraudsters/criminals/murderers and people who hate western way of life.
Please just tell me why westerners love these people, welcome them at the airport with money, housing, medical care while closing the door tightly shut for well educated immigrants?
Anyone???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

They keep down labour costs and raise property prices, while looking like the good guys.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-10-2016, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Israel is a country full of Muslims. Many feel persecuted.

Study EU laws about Freedom of Speech. You refuse to look outside your small box.

"freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" do not encompass spreading hate or breaking the law...again your argument is flawed because religion or not, spreading of hate and violence is illegal...you are NOT free to form a religion "lets kill the blonde guys" and claim it is a religion...as for freedom of speech look no further than snowden and assange...

if islam was spreading violence or hate, it would break the law...but it does not, so there are 350-400 mosques in apartheid israel...

the fact that spreading of hate and violence is a crime in every developed country in the world is detrimental to your argument that islam spreads hate...

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Should ask people in a Mosque if those quotes come from the Quran or if they want to kill me for not believing?

ask them anything you wish...its like going to a priest and asking about "jesus"...ask an authority...

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Then if they were to blame, the ME would have been peaceful before the Americans intervened.

like peaceful peaceful europe during WW1 and 2? oh wait you are forgetting that every region in the world had wars at almost any time in its history an you are assuming that only the ME is to be singled out and this cherry picked data cluster somehow dismisses this:

you said the US cant force people to fight...I give you the map above as my answer...the USA invests 500 billion $ every year in war...it has nothing to do with "defense" its war, plain and simple...US foreign policy is the cancer of the world...

RegUser · 09-20-2016, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

They keep down labour costs and raise property prices, while looking like the good guys.

but why stop well educated westernized individuals?

Tasty1 · 09-20-2016, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

but why stop well educated westernized individuals?

If you compare other countries outside Europe you can see that it isn't easy for western immigrants to get a work permit for other countries also. Sometimes it is easier when you get married. But name some countries where people can live and easy get a work permit... In some countries you must bring at least 100.000 USD and show your financials every 4 years to look if you employ people. Else you can go (if you don't marry or have a child). And so it goes in many countries, if you don't bring money, you are not welcome.

As Dutchman living abroad i also see the problem. If i would marry, i need to do a lot of things to get my wife to Holland... Most go first to Belgium or Italy, where the laws are less strict and than to Holland with a European passport. And that is all because they don't want to discriminate. Holland made stricter rules to prevent families getting relatives to Holland. And they can not make seperate rules for Turkish, Maroccan and Dutch people, that is discrimination. Because some returned to their country (and keeping their wellfare, childsupport) the Dutch government made new rules and said you get only 50 to 70-% of your pensions. 50% if you are single, 70% if you have a partner. (enought to have a good live in Turkey, most of those woman never worked anyway). But because there is no treaty with a lot of other countries like Brazil, mexico and so on, they only give 50% cause they can't check if you have a partner. In short, cause the Turkish and Marrocan people took advantage of the wellfare system, the originally dutch people get fucked by their government. It is even so that i can't have two passports. If i forget to renew or take a foreign passport, i loose mine. That is caue the Dutch government didn't want double nationalities. That was to prevent the immigrant to not integrate and have their heart where they came from. BUT, Turkish and Marrocan people can't give up their passport, forbidden by the country of origin. So who get fucked again, the orginal Dutch people that live abroad. All because else it is discrimination (but the only reasons for the rules was to prevent the Turkish and Marrocan people to come in and get their family to Holland).

So that is one reason why other people from western countries can't get in easily. They made strict rules to prevent more immigration of people with no future, but can not discriminate between people from countries that you want, or don't want.

But there are ways. Like a lot o people from South America have roots in Italy and can get a passport for Italy

So than they have two passports and can go where they want in Europe. (yes, they also can have 2 passports). If i give up mine, i don't even get pension. Not that it is much, but it is ridicilous. There are now Dutch people living abroad that lost their Dutch passport, not knowing that they even could loose it.

Even for Backpackers Europe is bad. You can only stay for 3 months in Europe. That is not enough if you want to backpack around Europe. I think they should make that 6 months.

Only Panama and Belize are countries you can immigrate to easily and work. For most European countries you must have a special skill to get a work permit.

So as you can read, it is al connected. Discrimination, discrimination, discrimination. The government don't want more people from Arab countries. That also has a reason.. But refugees are a different problem. But the mass immigration that didn't work out resulted in more strict rules for immigration, even if you are a well educated person. But there are always tricks to get your foreign partner in Holland, you must be creative. And as online worker it would be easy for me to stay some months in Belgium, Italay, or Spain when needed. But i don';t think i will live in Holland soon.

Paul Markham · 09-21-2016, 04:08 AM

Merkel has lost another election. She's on borrowed time. Austria will go to the Right along with France. The UK voted itself out of the EU because of migration.

Europe is turning to the Right because the Left and Middle has abandoned their own people.

Satan 2257 · 09-21-2016, 06:13 PM

I think the Trump kid won with the Skittles comment...don't blame the webmasters

RegUser · 09-22-2016, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Europe is turning to the Right because the Left and Middle has abandoned their own people.

Unfortunately this is true.
However my question is - When it is well known that these fraudsters taking intercontinental flights are fraudsters why westerners keep this charade going on?

RegUser · 10-19-2016, 02:26 PM

EU 'should prepare for returning jihadists'
Mosul battle: EU 'should prepare for returning jihadists' - BBC News

Paul Markham · 10-20-2016, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

99 % of muslims are normal, its true. and they want to live normal life which means: have wife, kids, house, earn money and so on.
anyway, I would still prefer to live close to Muslim from Indonesia or Pakistan than a muslim from, lets say, Saudi Arabia or Morocco

I would prefer to live next to a Westerner. As would most people. This mass uncontrolled migration is being forced on us.

Paul Markham · 10-20-2016, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

exactly, how someone in XXI century follows some book that guys on drugs (or whatever) wrote thousands of years ago is out my imagination....
The guys who exploit it by choosing the only fragments that serve their sick ideology and political goals should be hanged by balls in my opinion. these are the real sick bastards exploiting the others

They do, so why allow them to come to a country that doesn't believe in their stupid religion?

The guys that wrote religions weren't on drugs. They were political leaders who wanted better control over the people than physical force.

Paul Markham · 10-20-2016, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Manfap

Because Europe's population is dropping...

Why is Germany letting a million in? Because long term stats show large declines in population. Someone's gotta scrape the shit out of oldies arses with a spoon, hence immigration.

Put it this way, no Swedish kid is ever gonna be a dustman, so where do they get them from?

Europe's population needs to fall dramatically. In the future, more jobs will be automated. So why do we need more people?

Swedish kids will have to be a dustman, until a machine does his job. And that will only need jobs like nursing and care.

This is the 21st Century. Add exportation of jobs and no country will need its present population.

Paul Markham · 10-20-2016, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

Paul
People that elect and make up the governments in the west are Westerners. So why are Western nations accepting such people as refugees?

Because until now both sides were pro-migration, even though when electioneering they promise to reduce migration. Now the Far Right are gaining strength because of the lack of control the others impose on migration.

Merkel, the biggest culprit, is being ripped a new ass over her decision to force Germans to accept a million and rising number of illegal migrants. France will swing Right, UK will swing towards UKIP, Hungary voted overwhelmingly to not take Merkel's migrants, Czech is the same. Italy is being ruined by mass migration.

Those that come have to be put into camps and kept there. Once the money stops flowing back to migrants home countries, the flow will stem.

pimpmaster9000 · 10-20-2016, 03:45 AM

westerners be like:

we will eat american foreign policy asshole DEEP when it destroys the economies of the countries that the refugees are coming from, we just do not want to taste the shit

we do not want to employ expensive western workers or buy expensive western shit OR even live in expensive western countries BUT we do not want any god damned immigrants doing cheap jobs

westerners want to eat cake and not only not get fat, but get slim

RegUser · 10-20-2016, 03:05 PM

Let me remind everyone that this thread is NOT about migration but about refugees a.k.a fraudsters.
I understand the need for immigration and movement of people.
I understand that migration for greener pastures is human spirit, it can not be stopped.
I understand falling populations/ need for skilled/unskilled labor.
What I don't understand is why western nations are so fucking dumb when it comes to this refugee shit? Why they can't understand that fraudsters and criminals who are taking planes and ships to cross continents from poor to rich nations are NOT refugees.

poncabare · 10-20-2016, 04:36 PM

not all of us are naive

DraX · 10-20-2016, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

I don't have a problem understanding the motives of asylum shoppers ....ooops ...so called refugees.
However my question is why the fuck are Westerners so fucking dumb? Why they encourage fraudsters and discourage intelligent, educated applicants who follow proper channels for immigration?

1) Leaders in europe are useless dogs only working for globalists and liberal agenda.
2) Majority of media power in europe hold hands with the establishment to spread and keep globalistic / liberal agenda.
3) If anyone says anything negative about the said subject they are labelled racist or xenophobe.

So why are westerners so dumb? Europe is corrupt, people are brainwashed, men are emasculated, anyone with some balls to criticize gets harassed to the point of breakdown. There is very little organization to try and stop what is going on other than voting for a rightwing party or going into politics yourself.

Paul Markham · 10-21-2016, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

Let me remind everyone that this thread is NOT about migration but about refugees a.k.a fraudsters.
I understand the need for immigration and movement of people.
I understand that migration for greener pastures is human spirit, it can not be stopped.
I understand falling populations/ need for skilled/unskilled labor.
What I don't understand is why western nations are so fucking dumb when it comes to this refugee shit? Why they can't understand that fraudsters and criminals who are taking planes and ships to cross continents from poor to rich nations are NOT refugees.

Stop blaming Western Nations. The people are mostly opposed to this. The problem is the politicians on both sides. Resulting in a rise of fringe parties who the media keeps branding as extremist, racist, xenophobes.

RegUser · 11-14-2018, 05:59 AM

There is certainly some truth in leaders and media being deliberately blind and even highlighting selective coverage. But what does that mean? The average joe schmoe in western countries is totally brainwashed? The democracy is weak? And that too in this age of (mis)information?

gotonudecom · 03-31-2020, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RegUser

Pardon the flaming title - that was just to get maximum participation in this thread about a subject that has always intrigued me.
I have always wondered what really is the reason that citizens of western countries create all kinds of hurdles and barriers for well educated, well settled, westernized prospective immigrants while welcoming thugs/criminals/ Blatant fraudsters and utter sub human species in the name of refugees?
Why would we tell a smart, highly educated person that he needs to jump through a million hoops to be accepted for immigration and not provide him ANY help, whatsoever, while happily giving $$$$ to thugs and liars who obviously laugh at us and will never assimilate or absorb values of host nation?
Why?
Why are Westerners so dumb when it comes to refugees?

WHAT? You assume we have any control over this?
We systematically vote AGAINST letting any people in and are just ignored.

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	The dislike for refugees isn't not about race or even religion. It's about the mass migration of different cultures, skills levels and the effect it has on native communities. Since the EU opened the borders and the Eastern European States joined, the economically successful West has seen a mass migration of unemployed, low skilled and paid people from within Europe. Making decent jobs harder to get and low paid jobs, lower in pay. So when Merkel announces Germany is open to migrants who will risk death on the open seas, walk through peaceful countries to get to anywhere they please. It's the straw that broke the camel's back for many. Added to this, their different culture and as my pictures prove their demands and way of life. At a time when the lower classes are struggling, they will look for the reasons. Mass migration is one of them. Add the element of a culture that refuses to integrate and live by our ethics. The future is a swing to the right. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Merkel has lost another election. She's on borrowed time. Austria will go to the Right along with France. The UK voted itself out of the EU because of migration. Europe is turning to the Right because the Left and Middle has abandoned their own people. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

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pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	westerners be like: we will eat american foreign policy asshole DEEP when it destroys the economies of the countries that the refugees are coming from, we just do not want to taste the shit we do not want to employ expensive western workers or buy expensive western shit OR even live in expensive western countries BUT we do not want any god damned immigrants doing cheap jobs westerners want to eat cake and not only not get fat, but get slim __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

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malcolme polo Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 33	can't see the forest for the trees

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Sarn Say for stagnation Yes!!1 Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Russia Posts: 10,905	Murdered by African She Sheltered An American liberal living in Vienna was raped and murdered by the African invader she had deliberately hidden in her apartment to prevent him being deported back to Gambia, the Kronen Zeitung newspaper has revealed. Murdered by African She Sheltered - The New Observer

02-09-2016, 06:47 PM	#159
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	For some reason the thread topic keeps going off the rails. No one gives a fuck to Islam or hate or whatever. This refugee sham has been going on in the west for over 3 decades now. Look closely at the communities that have been allowed to come in. In UK and Canada whole villages have managed to setup colonies. IN UK people from same geographic region have arrived enmasse. Obviously one bastard gets in and then calls everyone from "back home". Fraudsters/criminals/murderers and people who hate western way of life. Please just tell me why westerners love these people, welcome them at the airport with money, housing, medical care while closing the door tightly shut for well educated immigrants? Anyone???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

09-21-2016, 06:13 PM	#166
Satan 2257 Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Club Fed Posts: 19	I think the Trump kid won with the Skittles comment...don't blame the webmasters

10-19-2016, 02:26 PM	#168
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	EU 'should prepare for returning jihadists' Mosul battle: EU 'should prepare for returning jihadists' - BBC News

10-20-2016, 03:05 PM	#174
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	Let me remind everyone that this thread is NOT about migration but about refugees a.k.a fraudsters. I understand the need for immigration and movement of people. I understand that migration for greener pastures is human spirit, it can not be stopped. I understand falling populations/ need for skilled/unskilled labor. What I don't understand is why western nations are so fucking dumb when it comes to this refugee shit? Why they can't understand that fraudsters and criminals who are taking planes and ships to cross continents from poor to rich nations are NOT refugees.

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11-14-2018, 05:59 AM	#178
RegUser Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,472	There is certainly some truth in leaders and media being deliberately blind and even highlighting selective coverage. But what does that mean? The average joe schmoe in western countries is totally brainwashed? The democracy is weak? And that too in this age of (mis)information?