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Barry-xlovecam · 01-23-2016, 08:38 AM

Then why aren't you touting Ben Carson as the Republican nominee? Remember Steven Forbes and his tax plan?

A Simple, Transparent and Fair Tax System for All Americans | Official Ben Carson for President 2016

Treatment Plan: Repeal the Entire Tax Code and Replace It With a True 14.9 Percent Flat Tax

Replace the tax code with a true flat tax â?? no deductions, tax shelters or loopholes.
Tax all income at a uniform 14.9 percent rate.
To protect those rising from poverty, apply the flat tax only to income above 150 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). For example, a family of four will not pay the 14.9 percent tax on their first $36,375 of income.
Treat everyone in America as citizen-owners and require those whose income is at or below 150 percent of the FPL to make a de minimis tax payment annually.
Tax income only once: no more double taxation of capital gains, dividends and interest income at the personal level.
Eliminate deductions for home mortgage interest, charitable giving and state and local taxes. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not benefit from these itemized deductions.
Eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Under the current tax system, the AMT forces middle-class Americans to calculate their tax liability twice and punishes them by requiring them to pay the larger of the two tax bills.
Abolish the death tax in its entirety.

Too bad he is a bible thumping psycho ...

SuckOnThis · 01-23-2016, 09:06 AM

The US military is the largest example of socialism on the planet. Funny how most conservatives don't even know what they support.

To those who argue against 'free' college, do you also believe kids that attend K-12 should be charged 5-10k a year? We are quickly heading towards 3rd world status because of the amount of uneducated. A kid that graduates from high school now is barely qualified to run the fryer at McDonalds yet we can't figure out why so many of them have lost hope.

I personally think the whole educational system needs to be revamped. Everything learned in those first 12 years of school can be learned in less than half that time, the other half should be focused on higher education and job training. It's insane for a kid to spend 12 years in school only to get out and not know a damn thing.

MetaMan · 01-23-2016, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

The US military is the largest example of socialism on the planet. Funny how most conservatives don't even know what they support.

To those who argue against 'free' college, do you also believe kids that attend K-12 should be charged 5-10k a year? We are quickly heading towards 3rd world status because of the amount of uneducated. A kid that graduates from high school now is barely qualified to run the fryer at McDonalds yet we can't figure out why so many of them have lost hope.

I personally think the whole educational system needs to be revamped. Everything learned in those first 12 years of school can be learned in less than half that time, the other half should be focused on higher education and job training. It's insane for a kid to spend 12 years in school only to get out and not know a damn thing.

What makes you think just because there would be free education people would become "educated"? The freeloaders in America would still sit on their ass.

baggg · 01-23-2016, 09:17 AM

Uni education in Obamas America

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(note:this is not a parody)

Paul Markham · 01-23-2016, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarn

all ideas of socialists ideas always end - the robbery people who have money and destruction other people's business. then begin to take away property has ordinary people - killing everyone who does not agree. then begin to kill and intelegent and smart people who understand what is happening and talk about it . then comes an even greater economic decline.

How much is US debt today?

I'm not proposing Socialism. I'm proposing countries are run for the benefit of the country, not a very small percentile. You have all ignored the facts the China is going to be stronger than the US because that tiny percentile sent jobs there. Not your jobs, only the jobs of your customers.

As for it being great for 18 years olds to work their way through college, at the present rate, those jobs won't exist in 20-30 years. Low skilled jobs will go to migrants, and pay just enough to feed a family. So good luck an 18-year-old getting them. And high skilled jobs will only go to those with parents rich enough to pay for their education. And why only reserve it for college. Why not start 1t 16, 14, 12 when the parents need to fork out. Not that the level will be that great due to Government cutting costs.

But again none can see past their noses.

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Does anyone other than me find it insane that we are FORCED to pay even 33% of our hard earned dollars to the government let alone 40%,50% or even 75%???

Why not privatise all health care, social services, police, fire, and a lot more. To see how much money you would save.

Go through the list of what the Government supplies and find the places to cut. Then tell the people who lost their jobs, now living on what they can steal, you did it to save money. And all the while pray nothing happens to you.

L-Pink · 01-23-2016, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

To those who argue against 'free' college, do you also believe kids that attend K-12 should be charged 5-10k a year?

For 30 years I paid a fortune to educate K-12. It's called property taxes. The last year I owned commercial property I paid over $25,000 for K-12 education and I never had children. Now I'm supposed to pay for the college education of others as well?

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L-Pink · 01-23-2016, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Not only that, but you're penalized for working harder and making more money. What kind of incentive plan is that!?!? I want to work 18 hours a day, busting my ass to make millions of dollars so I can give 77% of it to the government. I mean, that unemployed pot smoker that sits at home playing video games all day needs someone to take care of him, right? And I also have to spend hours and hours researching marketing trends and securities so I can invest in the right market. So I can pay capital gains taxes of 65%.

This system is rewarding people for being lazy and unmotivated. Completely opposite of what made America great in the first place.

And if you make a bad investment and lose money you may only offset $3,000 a year. A joke.

L-Pink · 01-23-2016, 10:16 AM

Besides the actual income and payroll taxes think about the State taxes, the property taxes, the sales taxes, the gas taxes, the phone taxes, the utility taxes, etc ........

These taxes paid for with after tax money making them even more expensive.

SuckOnThis · 01-23-2016, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

For 30 years I paid a fortune to educate K-12. It's called property taxes. The last year I owned commercial property I paid over $25,000 for K-12 education and I never had children. Now I'm supposed to pay for the college education of others as well?

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Are you a wall street speculator? The Sanders proposal is to put a fraction of a percent tax on wall street speculators (who are currently taxed at a lower rate than salaried workers) to pay for college tuition.

woj · 01-23-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

What makes you think just because there would be free education people would become "educated"? The freeloaders in America would still sit on their ass.

exactly, make higher education free and at best you will have bunch of kids that go to college just because it's a cool thing to do, many will hang out for a year or 2 then figure this education thing is not for them and give up... wasting everyone's time and tax payer's $$ in the process...

cost is just a bullshit excuse, if you want to get an education you will figure out how to make it happen, just like quite a few in this thread, including myself, have done so themselves...

L-Pink · 01-23-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Are you a wall street speculator? The Sanders proposal is to put a fraction of a percent tax on wall street speculators (who are currently taxed at a lower rate than salaried workers) to pay for college tuition.

For now that's the plan. But taxes have a way of expanding. Taxes are passed on and shared by anyone generating income.

Instate tuition for state colleges runs about $10,000 a year or less. A motivated person can work as well as go to school. The lesson to be learned is hard work and discipline as well as the class curriculum.

Nothing in life is free ......

Sarn · 01-23-2016, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How much is US debt today?

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
normal structure of capital.
gdp~debt
in basis mortage long-term loans.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I'm not proposing Socialism. I'm proposing countries are run for the benefit of the country, not a very small percentile. You have all ignored the facts the China is going to be stronger than the US because that tiny percentile sent jobs there. Not your jobs, only the jobs of your customers.

workers in China getting a penny. All profits go to the international corporations is majority basis in usa.
they hang nets for workers in the factories did not complete suicide

you offer insulation - it is mean a reduction in corporate profits, reduction of tax deductions = worsening economic situation.
it dangerous offers - as the sagging profits at + -% of loans. not make it possible to pay for US debt payment, as these small percentages will be nowhere to take. and will have to announce bankruptcy. selling all that is pennies.
even any manipulation inflated the cost of the medicine service can reduce the profit - and the impact on the overall financial health of the country. Americans just need to look for work and earnings not only in the US but around the world - as do those same billionaires from corporations. it is necessary to repeat the success rather than to prohibit it for the sake of lazy idiots who never please everyone

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As for it being great for 18 years olds to work their way through college, at the present rate, those jobs won't exist in 20-30 years. Low skilled jobs will go to migrants, and pay just enough to feed a family. So good luck an 18-year-old getting them. And high skilled jobs will only go to those with parents rich enough to pay for their education. And why only reserve it for college. Why not start 1t 16, 14, 12 when the parents need to fork out. Not that the level will be that great due to Government cutting costs.

But again none can see past their noses.

Why not privatise all health care, social services, police, fire, and a lot more. To see how much money you would save.

Go through the list of what the Government supplies and find the places to cut. Then tell the people who lost their jobs, now living on what they can steal, you did it to save money. And all the while pray nothing happens to you.

you want convert United States in North Korea?
for even to propose such important decisions should at least be competent in the it - different from that more harm than good

Robbie · 01-23-2016, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Are you a wall street speculator? The Sanders proposal is to put a fraction of a percent tax on wall street speculators (who are currently taxed at a lower rate than salaried workers) to pay for college tuition.

I guess the real question would be:
Why does a person who is investing THEIR money have to pay for someone else to go to college?

I wouldn't want my money that I earned, and decided to invest rather than fuck it away, be spent on other people.

I want my money to grow as an investment that I can then pass on to MY children.

I wasn't raised like you apparently were. I was raised to take care of myself and my family.

woj · 01-23-2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess the real question would be:
Why does a person who is investing THEIR money have to pay for someone else to go to college?

I wouldn't want my money that I earned, and decided to invest rather than fuck it away, be spent on other people.

I want my money to grow as an investment that I can then pass on to MY children.

I wasn't raised like you apparently were. I was raised to take care of myself and my family.

socialists don't "get it"... my guess is they have nothing to lose and they just want to leech off others hard work...

you phrased it well... why the fuck would anyone want to give fruits of one's labor to anyone else? "vote for me and I'll give you a pay cut next year, and take even bigger percentage of what you've already accomplished in life"... makes no sense at all...

SuckOnThis · 01-23-2016, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess the real question would be:
Why does a person who is investing THEIR money have to pay for someone else to go to college?

I wouldn't want my money that I earned, and decided to invest rather than fuck it away, be spent on other people.

I want my money to grow as an investment that I can then pass on to MY children.

I wasn't raised like you apparently were. I was raised to take care of myself and my family.

Maybe you should learn the difference between a speculator and an investor. Speculators arent investing their money in companies as an investment in order for the stocks to grow to pass on to their kids. They are gambling in the short term and a lot of times they are not even using their own money. The largest speculators on the planet are the big financial institutions that are gambling with other peoples money and was one cause The Great Depression and the major cause of the last financial meltdown.

As far as your comment about you being raised different than me, apparently that's true. No one has ever given me a damn thing and I've been able to build an impressive real estate portfolio over the years. I don't think free college is good because I want it for myself, it is good for society on a whole. There lies the difference between us; I care about what's good for society, you care about YOU.

The Porn Nerd · 01-23-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess the real question would be:
Why does a person who is investing THEIR money have to pay for someone else to go to college?

I wouldn't want my money that I earned, and decided to invest rather than fuck it away, be spent on other people.

I want my money to grow as an investment that I can then pass on to MY children.

I wasn't raised like you apparently were. I was raised to take care of myself and my family.

The same could be said of ANY tax Robbie. Why should MY taxes go to subsidies for big business? Or making more nuclear bombs (we have more than enough) or to finance foreign 'wars' that do nothing but make the Industrial Elite richer? Etc etc etc etc.

But forget all that. Bottom line: if you have a good accountant and run your business/life right you don't pay shit in taxes anyway so what's the worry here?

woj · 01-23-2016, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

As far as your comment about you being raised different than me, apparently that's true. No one has ever given me a damn thing and I've been able to build an impressive real estate portfolio over the years. I don't think free college is good because I want it for myself, it is good for society on a whole. There lies the difference between us; I care about what's good for society, you care about YOU.

you must have missed the detail about Sander's [and Clinton's as well] intent to raise "capital gains taxes"... that means that if you ever decide to sell your "real estate portfolio" [or business or really any asset] you will pay as much as 2/3rds tax on any appreciation you generated as a result of holding it...

you are taking on all the risk, and if things work out well you will pay as much as 2/3rds of any profit generated... I don't see how you could possibly think that's a good thing...

johnnyloadproductions · 01-23-2016, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess the real question would be:
Why does a person who is investing THEIR money have to pay for someone else to go to college?

I wouldn't want my money that I earned, and decided to invest rather than fuck it away, be spent on other people.

I want my money to grow as an investment that I can then pass on to MY children.

I wasn't raised like you apparently were. I was raised to take care of myself and my family.

Agreed. Most degrees are completely worthless anyway.

The only time I'm ok with people living off the system are those that are incapacitated and can't work, though that is relatively rare.
If people are put on a welfare system they should be made uncomfortable, meaning it isn't pleasant to be on it and large incentive to be off.

crockett · 01-23-2016, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I guess the real question would be:
Why does a person who is investing THEIR money have to pay for someone else to go to college?

I wouldn't want my money that I earned, and decided to invest rather than fuck it away, be spent on other people.

I want my money to grow as an investment that I can then pass on to MY children.

I wasn't raised like you apparently were. I was raised to take care of myself and my family.

It's nice to know you run your own police force, fire deptment, build your own roads, hide behind your own military force.. Ect..ect..

Thank god Robbie doesn't get any hand outs and does everything himself.. Good thing Robbie's business is also run on his own private Internet that the govt and tax payers have nothing to do with..

L-Pink · 01-23-2016, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It's nice to know you run your own police force, fire deptment, build your own roads, hide behind your own military force.. Ect..ect..

Thank god Robbie doesn't get any hand outs and does everything himself.. Good thing Robbie's business is also run on his own private Internet that the govt and tax payers have nothing to do with..

He pays plenty of taxes for the services you listed above. Don't argue to argue you're smarter than that.

L-Pink · 01-23-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Maybe you should learn the difference between a speculator and an investor. Speculators arent investing their money in companies as an investment in order for the stocks to grow to pass on to their kids. They are gambling in the short term and a lot of times they are not even using their own money. The largest speculators on the planet are the big financial institutions that are gambling with other peoples money and was one cause The Great Depression and the major cause of the last financial meltdown.

As far as your comment about you being raised different than me, apparently that's true. No one has ever given me a damn thing and I've been able to build an impressive real estate portfolio over the years. I don't think free college is good because I want it for myself, it is good for society on a whole. There lies the difference between us; I care about what's good for society, you care about YOU.

So when you retire or rotate your real-estate investments you are ok with paying more than half your profits in taxes?

I admire your generosity.

PornDiscounts-V · 01-23-2016, 11:58 AM

If socialized health-care sucks, we does every other nation use it? You people who fight it are sheep led by corporate greed, all while telling others to stop drinking the Kool aid.

American companies do not leave America because of taxes. Name one. They offshore no matter what our taxes are. They are greedy.

crockett · 01-23-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

He pays plenty of taxes for the services you listed above. Don't argue to argue you're smarter than that.

I'm sure he is also happy that his taxes help keep things like net neutrality in place.. Just imagine what it would do to his business, if suddenly his users were all charged for that video bandwidth used when using his site.. Or if the ISPs could get away with data caps..

I mean it would be sooo unfair if everyone had to pay their fair share all on their own.. Much less, think how horrible it would be if the big guys like manwin could further push the little guys out by making deals to cover their users that poor Robbie couldn't compete with..

I mean it's almost like kids growing up in well off house holds having easy access to education vs kids from the wrong side of the track not being able to compete.

It's a good thing the internet isn't treated like college educations now isn't itor perhaps Robbie wouldn't be able to compete..

woj · 01-23-2016, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv

If socialized health-care sucks, we does every other nation use it? You people who fight it are sheep led by corporate greed, all while telling others to stop drinking the Kool aid.

Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tl;dr: just because something is popular, doesn't make it good or right in any way...

PornDiscounts-V · 01-23-2016, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

For 30 years I paid a fortune to educate K-12. It's called property taxes. The last year I owned commercial property I paid over $25,000 for K-12 education and I never had children. Now I'm supposed to pay for the college education of others as well?

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Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.

The Porn Nerd · 01-23-2016, 12:12 PM

The #1 Problem with Americans is every one of us thinks/feels we can become billionaires. So when we see the rich getting richer we think, "That will be ME one day...." so we go along with it.

Doesn't matter that only 2% will ever make more than 100k a year. LOL Americans are all brainwashed when it comes to money, greed, capitalism, etc. We literally let the rich do whatever they want because we (mistakenly) think we will be "one of them" someday. It's actually rather funny in a pathetic sort of way.

crockett · 01-23-2016, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

tl;dr: just because something is popular, doesn't make it good or right in any way...

Yet not a single nation with socialized healthcare would swap for what the US has..

Barry-xlovecam · 01-23-2016, 12:29 PM

Yes, real estate that is in good well funded school districts is worth less than real estate in poorly funded school districts -- anything else stupid you want to point out?

dyna mo · 01-23-2016, 01:06 PM

some of y'all sound like your parents. people should have to walk to school like i did. uphill. both ways. in the snow. otherwise they're gonna leech the system and be ungrateful. the horror!

arguing against educating Americans.

and woj thinks socialists don't "get it".

woj · 01-23-2016, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yet not a single nation with socialized healthcare would swap for what the US has..

that doesn't prove anything at all, if you offer something for "free" then obviously it's going to be popular... doesn't make it good or right in any way...

just like no one will seriously propose abolishing (or allowing people to opt-out of) social security, even though in the next few decades, it will become obvious that it was all a ponzi scheme all along and the whole thing will implode...

only government can fuck up something so simple... you pay 15% of your income your whole life... then you have $$ for when you retire... and yet the government somehow managed to make it not work...

do you even realize how much we all would have if we invested 15% ourselves of every penny earned our whole lives, 95% of us would be millionaires.... yet somehow due to government incompetence most of us will end up with $500/month check which will barely be enough to buy some food...

The Porn Nerd · 01-23-2016, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

some of y'all sound like your parents. people should have to walk to school like i did. uphill. both ways. in the snow. otherwise they're gonna leech the system and be ungrateful. the horror!

arguing against educating Americans.

and woj thinks socialists don't "get it".

Get off my lawn!!! LOL

Look, the reality is ALL Americans live in a country together. The rich (and the people who dream they will be rich one day) do not want to be a part of a democratic society where compromises and consessions are the only way to function. They want to be Kings, segregated behind castle walls away from us pions (regular citizens). People who feel this way are scared and selfish little children.

woj · 01-23-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

some of y'all sound like your parents. people should have to walk to school like i did. uphill. both ways. in the snow. otherwise they're gonna leech the system and be ungrateful. the horror!

arguing against educating Americans.

and woj thinks socialists don't "get it".

no one is arguing against educating people... everyone is for it, some just have different opinion on how it should be paid for....

some believe that "others"* (aka tax payers) should pay for one's higher education, some believe that each person should pay for their own higher education...

why should I pay for someone else's education, when they will be the ones deriving benefit it from it, they will be the ones with higher income not me? makes no sense...

why should I pay for someone to study finger painting? or for someone to hang out in college for 2 years then not complete his degree? etc

* this magical "others" is the whole basis of socialism, that someone else, not you pays for stuff... everything from healthcare, to education, housing, etc etc

crockett · 01-23-2016, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

that doesn't prove anything at all, if you offer something for "free" then obviously it's going to be popular... doesn't make it good or right in any way...

just like no one will seriously propose abolishing (or allowing people to opt-out of) social security, even though in the next few decades, it will become obvious that it was all a ponzi scheme all along and the whole thing will implode...

only government can fuck up something so simple... you pay 15% of your income your whole life... then you have $$ for when you retire... and yet the government somehow managed to make it not work...

do you even realize how much we all would have if we invested 15% ourselves of every penny earned our whole lives, 95% of us would be millionaires.... yet somehow due to government incompetence most of us will end up with $500/month check which will barely be enough to buy some food...

It appears nothing can prove anything to you. So it's needless to argue..

dyna mo · 01-23-2016, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

no one is arguing against educating people... everyone is for it, some just have different opinion on how it should be paid for....

some believe that "others" (aka tax payers) should pay for one's higher education, some believe that each person should pay for their own higher education...

why should I pay for someone else's education, when they will be the ones deriving benefit it from it, they will be the ones with higher income not me? makes no sense...

why should I pay for someone to study finger painting? or for someone to hang out in college for 2 years then not complete his degree? etc

you either get it or not. just like you claim "socialists just don't get it".

dyna mo · 01-23-2016, 01:36 PM

heads up, i'm happy to be the one to break it to y'all, America is already a socialist country.

and even more socialist than the most looked to socialist country- Denmark.

The United States Is Already At Least As Socialist As Denmark

but the television tells US "socialism" is a bad word.

dyna mo · 01-23-2016, 01:38 PM

perhaps some of y'all mix-up big government with socialism. Bernie Sanders' social democrat vision isn't about big government.

The Porn Nerd · 01-23-2016, 01:41 PM

Even if Bernie won the Powers that truly run the Gov't wouldn't let him do any of the things he wants to do. Maybe they would make it appear one way (as with Obamacare) but in the end Bernie's changes would only benefit them, not us.

Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss.

dyna mo · 01-23-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Even if Bernie won the Powers that truly run the Gov't wouldn't let him do any of the things he wants to do. Maybe they would make it appear one way (as with Obamacare) but in the end Bernie's changes would only benefit them, not us.

Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss.

there have been other times Wall Street fat cats were in control of our government and we got out from under that before.

not saying Bernie's that guy, but things do change and Sanders at least is not kowtowing to big business and plans campaign finance reform. The problems start with campaign finance, we all know that. Start there with fixing the problems.

MetaMan · 01-23-2016, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

perhaps some of y'all mix-up big government with socialism. Bernie Sanders' social democrat vision isn't about big government.

LOL and who exactly is going to administer these massive government programs then?

AmeliaG · 01-23-2016, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Not only that, but you're penalized for working harder and making more money. What kind of incentive plan is that!?!? I want to work 18 hours a day, busting my ass to make millions of dollars so I can give 77% of it to the government. I mean, that unemployed pot smoker that sits at home playing video games all day needs someone to take care of him, right? And I also have to spend hours and hours researching marketing trends and securities so I can invest in the right market. So I can pay capital gains taxes of 65%.

This system is rewarding people for being lazy and unmotivated. Completely opposite of what made America great in the first place.

I remember being shocked in the early 2000's that working 100 hours a week, the later hours effectively paid less. I was like, if I worked retail, I'd be getting time and a half or double at that point.

dyna mo · 01-23-2016, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan

LOL and who exactly is going to administer these massive government programs then?

certainly not a bloated bureaucracy, which is what we currently have.

Social Security program has what, 50,000 employees currently? if i recall. certainly not a large # of administrators required to administer the most massive social program ever in existence.

AmeliaG · 01-23-2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

For now that's the plan. But taxes have a way of expanding. Taxes are passed on and shared by anyone generating income.

Instate tuition for state colleges runs about $10,000 a year or less. A motivated person can work as well as go to school. The lesson to be learned is hard work and discipline as well as the class curriculum.

Nothing in life is free ......

I went to a state school for graduate school and it was more like $70k a year. The costs have been rising astronomically and that is what people are fretting about.

crockett · 01-23-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG

I went to a state school for graduate school and it was more like $70k a year. The costs have been rising astronomically and that is what people are fretting about.

Added to this, is its no longer low interest loans from the govt, but higher interest loans from banks.

ilnjscb · 01-23-2016, 02:47 PM

Don't try to reason with a socialist. Anyone stupid enough to believe that shit after what has happened in the last 100 years doesn't work with facts and logic.

Paul Markham · 01-23-2016, 02:56 PM

Over the last few years, we've had a banking crisis, illegal war, polluting of the Gulf, pollution today of a river making drinking water poisonous. Plus many more examples of big business spending billions to get the Government they want. Whatever one you vote for.

Yes, we all hate paying taxes. And take for granted someone capable is watching bankers who thin Government has enough money to bail them out, and not caring because if they don't. They will put the people into debt.

That a President has a real reason to commit the US to spend trillions on invading a country to further his and his buddies commercial interests.

Thet the inspectors of oil rigs and rivers have the power and muscle to make sure the sea or rivers aren't poisoned.

That roads are repaired, violent storm damage is fixed, that levies keeping a city safe are built properly and repaired, that kids have a decentt education and don't end up in crime, that the old who have worked all their lives aren't swept aside, and that when this happens. There are people to do their best to keep us safe. While being rewarded well for protecting us.

Truth is, these guys aren't well equipped or paid. Because there aren't big bucks in it for corporate America.

And lastly. If you think mass illegal migration is something business hates. Think again. Mass migration harms everyone except the 1%. It drives down wages, raises property rental values, and puts more people onto Government subsidies than anything else. They have you by the balls, which they have no intention of letting go and some are happy about that.

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why should I pay for someone else's education, when they will be the ones deriving benefit it from it, they will be the ones with higher income not me? makes no sense...

If it's the sciences, it adds value to the economy. Like doctors, computer sciences, engineers, sciences etc. The Arts don't need to be subsidised. Nor Lawyers.

The conditions should be the people pass entry exams, keep high grades and not have parents who can afford to pay. This inspires those from a less privileged background to do better. Which is better than reserving the best jobs for the 1%.

dyna mo · 01-23-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Don't try to reason with a socialist. Anyone stupid enough to believe that shit after what has happened in the last 100 years doesn't work with facts and logic.

Hillary Clinton Proposes Debt-Free Tuition at Public Colleges - WSJ

arock10 · 01-23-2016, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob

Not only that, but you're penalized for working harder and making more money. What kind of incentive plan is that!?!? I want to work 18 hours a day, busting my ass to make millions of dollars so I can give 77% of it to the government. I mean, that unemployed pot smoker that sits at home playing video games all day needs someone to take care of him, right? And I also have to spend hours and hours researching marketing trends and securities so I can invest in the right market. So I can pay capital gains taxes of 65%.

This system is rewarding people for being lazy and unmotivated. Completely opposite of what made America great in the first place.

You need a better accountant

Sarn · 01-23-2016, 03:46 PM

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perhaps some of y'all mix-up big government with socialism. Bernie Sanders' social democrat vision isn't about big government.

Bernie did not solve the problem of capitalism 80/20, and the growth of poverty and unemployment, combined with overcapacity.

mce · 01-23-2016, 03:50 PM

crockett · 01-23-2016, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb

Don't try to reason with a socialist. Anyone stupid enough to believe that shit after what has happened in the last 100 years doesn't work with facts and logic.

Wait like those guys who claim trickle down economics works? Better yet should we still believe the horse shit of abseidence is the only good way to handle birth control for kids? Yeah that seems to work great in Texas...

What about the nonsense of lower taxes equal more jobs... Umm can you show me when that ever happened?

Newsflash none of your bullshit hardcore beliefs work either..

As usual you right Winnie's can't understand the concept of little bits of socialism or conseritism mixed work well together. Instead you hear free health care or free education and instantly think it's fucking Karl Marx reborn.. I'm pretty sure there are rocks that are smarter than some of you..

01-23-2016, 08:38 AM	#51
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	50 I don't want to pay!!!! Then why aren't you touting Ben Carson as the Republican nominee? Remember Steven Forbes and his tax plan? A Simple, Transparent and Fair Tax System for All Americans \| Official Ben Carson for President 2016 Treatment Plan: Repeal the Entire Tax Code and Replace It With a True 14.9 Percent Flat Tax Replace the tax code with a true flat tax â?? no deductions, tax shelters or loopholes. Tax all income at a uniform 14.9 percent rate. To protect those rising from poverty, apply the flat tax only to income above 150 percent of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL). For example, a family of four will not pay the 14.9 percent tax on their first $36,375 of income. Treat everyone in America as citizen-owners and require those whose income is at or below 150 percent of the FPL to make a de minimis tax payment annually. Tax income only once: no more double taxation of capital gains, dividends and interest income at the personal level. Eliminate deductions for home mortgage interest, charitable giving and state and local taxes. The overwhelming majority of Americans do not benefit from these itemized deductions. Eliminate the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Under the current tax system, the AMT forces middle-class Americans to calculate their tax liability twice and punishes them by requiring them to pay the larger of the two tax bills. Abolish the death tax in its entirety. Too bad he is a bible thumping psycho ...

01-23-2016, 11:58 AM	#72
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01-23-2016, 12:12 PM	#76
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01-23-2016, 09:06 AM	#52
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	The US military is the largest example of socialism on the planet. Funny how most conservatives don't even know what they support. To those who argue against 'free' college, do you also believe kids that attend K-12 should be charged 5-10k a year? We are quickly heading towards 3rd world status because of the amount of uneducated. A kid that graduates from high school now is barely qualified to run the fryer at McDonalds yet we can't figure out why so many of them have lost hope. I personally think the whole educational system needs to be revamped. Everything learned in those first 12 years of school can be learned in less than half that time, the other half should be focused on higher education and job training. It's insane for a kid to spend 12 years in school only to get out and not know a damn thing.

01-23-2016, 09:17 AM	#54
baggg So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: EEA Posts: 1,432	Uni education in Obamas America : (note:this is not a parody)

01-23-2016, 10:16 AM	#58
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,152	Besides the actual income and payroll taxes think about the State taxes, the property taxes, the sales taxes, the gas taxes, the phone taxes, the utility taxes, etc ........ These taxes paid for with after tax money making them even more expensive.

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01-23-2016, 01:06 PM	#79
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,905	some of y'all sound like your parents. people should have to walk to school like i did. uphill. both ways. in the snow. otherwise they're gonna leech the system and be ungrateful. the horror! arguing against educating Americans. and woj thinks socialists don't "get it".

01-23-2016, 01:36 PM	#85
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,905	heads up, i'm happy to be the one to break it to y'all, America is already a socialist country. and even more socialist than the most looked to socialist country- Denmark. The United States Is Already At Least As Socialist As Denmark but the television tells US "socialism" is a bad word.

01-23-2016, 01:38 PM	#86
dyna mo The People's Post Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: invisible 7-11 Posts: 63,905	perhaps some of y'all mix-up big government with socialism. Bernie Sanders' social democrat vision isn't about big government.

01-23-2016, 02:47 PM	#94
ilnjscb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 8,785	Don't try to reason with a socialist. Anyone stupid enough to believe that shit after what has happened in the last 100 years doesn't work with facts and logic.