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slapass · 01-30-2016, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, as you can see...those numbers have nothing to do with people retiring. They are the stats of people who are in the age group of the workforce.

And no...I don't think Pres. Obama sat down with some kind of evil plan to cause that.
I do think that he didn't know what he was doing. He never ran anything in his life before. He had zero executive experience.
So he walked into a ruined economy. Started printing TRILLIONS of dollars (which has made our money pretty much worthless), and instead of concentrating on the economy and jobs...he went with: ObamaCare and wasted the first 2 years of his Presidency when he had complete control of govt. (Dem House & Senate).

Obamacare was his and we will see if it ever bears fruit.

QE was the Federal Reserve. And I might be wrong but it did not work. They tried to devalue the dollar but it did not work. Inflation is still very low.

Robbie · 01-30-2016, 02:18 PM

That, and the fact that Bush and Obama went straight for the "bailout" of wallstreet with TRILLIONS of dollars leaving the average citizen of this country high and dry as homes were foreclosed on by those very same banks being bailed out in record numbers.

And since we were already at 12 trillion in debt...they didn't actually have the money to do the bailout. So they just printed more. Just like they do every year when Congress raises the "Debt Ceiling.

The "Debt Ceiling"...what a FUCKING JOKE. It was passed into law a couple of decades back to STOP the govt. from spending too much.
Instead they simply raise it twice a year and keep right on spending and printing money. And if ANY politician tries to say "No" to raising the debt ceiling...then they are accused of "shutting down the govt."

And now we're closing in on 20 TRILLION dollars in debt.

That is how Washington D.C. operates. Double talk and bullshit.

TitanWM · 01-30-2016, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

As all presidents are. The question is, whose hands are up those politicians asses controlling the puppet show?

I think a few billionaires arround the world (most of US).

KillerK · 01-30-2016, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

This is where politics comes in - This was a Republican idea, Romneycare, and was already in place. The Democrats took this idea and expanded on it and made it nationwide. The only reason the Republican party fought it is because it became a Democrat bill.

Now instead of fixing it, they've wasted the past four years trying to kill it. It's obviously working - more people have healthcare then ever before - so let's try to fix what is not working.

You should try to get the plan you have now, it'll be $1400+ a month.

astronaut x · 01-30-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

You should try to get the plan you have now, it'll be $1400+ a month.

The ONLY good thing about that would be that the out of pocket expenses would be reasonable then.

PornDiscounts-V · 01-31-2016, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Your comment has absolutely nothing to do with Obamacare.

Health care has always increased over time, even before Obamacare = True.

However, your friend was already on a plan, so he was experiencing business as usual.

For the uninsured things are a completely different story. Uninsured doesn't mean homeless or an alcoholic or drug addict. Those terms are just uncalled for in this debate.

Monthly health care costs tripled and quadrupled practically over night for the uninsured looking to purchase. You also never mentioned anything about out of pocket expenses. You can see a doctor for around $70 a visit uninsured. What good is paying $300 a month and having to pay a $50 to $60 copay?

Lets talk about deductibles. $300 to $6500 practically overnight? That's not inflation.

I knew your reading comprehension was shit.

PornDiscounts-V · 01-31-2016, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That, and the fact that Bush and Obama went straight for the "bailout" of wallstreet with TRILLIONS of dollars leaving the average citizen of this country high and dry as homes were foreclosed on by those very same banks being bailed out in record numbers.

And since we were already at 12 trillion in debt...they didn't actually have the money to do the bailout. So they just printed more. Just like they do every year when Congress raises the "Debt Ceiling.

The "Debt Ceiling"...what a FUCKING JOKE. It was passed into law a couple of decades back to STOP the govt. from spending too much.
Instead they simply raise it twice a year and keep right on spending and printing money. And if ANY politician tries to say "No" to raising the debt ceiling...then they are accused of "shutting down the govt."

And now we're closing in on 20 TRILLION dollars in debt.

That is how Washington D.C. operates. Double talk and bullshit.

You lack the ability to think a consecutive thought.

People got bailed out by the back bailout.

Think about it and correct your own bullshit.

jimmycooper · 01-31-2016, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That, and the fact that Bush and Obama went straight for the "bailout" of wallstreet with TRILLIONS of dollars leaving the average citizen of this country high and dry as homes were foreclosed on by those very same banks being bailed out in record numbers.

And since we were already at 12 trillion in debt...they didn't actually have the money to do the bailout. So they just printed more. Just like they do every year when Congress raises the "Debt Ceiling.

The "Debt Ceiling"...what a FUCKING JOKE. It was passed into law a couple of decades back to STOP the govt. from spending too much.
Instead they simply raise it twice a year and keep right on spending and printing money. And if ANY politician tries to say "No" to raising the debt ceiling...then they are accused of "shutting down the govt."

And now we're closing in on 20 TRILLION dollars in debt.

That is how Washington D.C. operates. Double talk and bullshit.

https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/

jimmycooper · 01-31-2016, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That's the thing, we are losing the jobs that more people were trained to do. Those jobs need to come back.

https://www.fiverr.com/

Have luck!

RummyBoy · 01-31-2016, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass

Ecomony - booming. Pretty hard to argue this one. I am not sure he did much but maybe that is the best move.

Total illusion...... only thickos think its booming.

PornDiscounts-V · 01-31-2016, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That's the thing, we are losing the jobs that more people were trained to do. Those jobs need to come back. By changing the trade we do with other countries, we can do that. That is how Reagan did it to help Harley Davidson in the 80's and can be done for any business in the US.

Reagan actually ruined our economy. You don't remember people walking away from their houses that they owed more on than they were worth? 1988, 1989 were horrible because of the damage Reagan did. 1990, 1991... lots of people got foreclosed on. It took Bill Clinton to fix it.

Bush ruined our economy. It took obama to fix it.

Republicans love off shoring. Bush signed NAFTA. Republican donors are people who don't care about the environment, your health, or whether you have a good paying job. You will still need the Koch brother's energy even if you are in jail, a hospital or a housing unit in the ghetto.

The Republican led congress is fucking up what could be done right now to improve your lives. They even admitted it happily. Do you not remember them saying they wouldn't allow anything good to be attributed to Obama? So they block even in funding of troops. If they really have a shit they would write a troop funding bill with nothing else attached to it.

slapass · 01-31-2016, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That, and the fact that Bush and Obama went straight for the "bailout" of wallstreet with TRILLIONS of dollars leaving the average citizen of this country high and dry as homes were foreclosed on by those very same banks being bailed out in record numbers.

And since we were already at 12 trillion in debt...they didn't actually have the money to do the bailout. So they just printed more. Just like they do every year when Congress raises the "Debt Ceiling.

The "Debt Ceiling"...what a FUCKING JOKE. It was passed into law a couple of decades back to STOP the govt. from spending too much.
Instead they simply raise it twice a year and keep right on spending and printing money. And if ANY politician tries to say "No" to raising the debt ceiling...then they are accused of "shutting down the govt."

And now we're closing in on 20 TRILLION dollars in debt.

That is how Washington D.C. operates. Double talk and bullshit.

Holy Fuck! We are over 100% of GDP. Folks, they need to crank up the printing press, or we go bankrupt. It is that simple. We will never ever grow our way out of this.

Any candidate who is talking about military spending increases is an idiot. Bernie Sanders has no clue, and no way to deal with this at all. Hilary's has proposed tax increases. Sorry folks, but we need them and we need them now.

Any Republican candidates even talking about this? I have not paid attention to all of them.

slapass · 01-31-2016, 07:11 AM

So Obama might be the guy who bankrupt America on his watch... Less good of a legacy.

jimmycooper · 01-31-2016, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv

Reagan actually ruined our economy. You don't remember people walking away from their houses that they owed more on than they were worth? 1988, 1989 were horrible because of the damage Reagan did. 1990, 1991... lots of people got foreclosed on. It took Bill Clinton to fix it.

Bush ruined our economy. It took obama to fix it.

Republicans love off shoring. Bush signed NAFTA. Republican donors are people who don't care about the environment, your health, or whether you have a good paying job. You will still need the Koch brother's energy even if you are in jail, a hospital or a housing unit in the ghetto.

The Republican led congress is fucking up what could be done right now to improve your lives. They even admitted it happily. Do you not remember them saying they wouldn't allow anything good to be attributed to Obama? So they block even in funding of troops. If they really have a shit they would write a troop funding bill with nothing else attached to it.

Most economists will tell you that presidential policy has very little impact on the economy. In terms of importance, the president would rank a distant distant third behind market forces and the Fed. Even though the president names the chairman, the fed has always operated largely independent of the political process and every president since Reagan (and possibly before) has reappointed a head from the previous administration.

Volcker - nominated by Carter, reappointed by Reagan
Greenspan - nominated by Reagan, reappointed by Bush, Clinton, & Bush.
Bernanke - nominated by Bush, reappointed by Obama
Yellen - nominated by Obama, TBD

Playing the blame game is silly but if for some reason anyone feels the need to blame anyone for â??printing trillions of dollarsâ?? (aka quantitative easing), the person to blame is Bernanke, the chairman of the fed who was appointed by Bush and retained by Obama. Keep in mind that blaming the Grobama economy on Bush because Bush nominated Bernanke means you also have to credit Carter for the Reagan economy because Carter nominated Volcker.

The labor force participation rate is what it is because of market forces,

Globalization and technology driven automation obviously two big reasons.

Is there anyone out there who believes that Trump will somehow be able to stop people on GFY from hiring Indian SEO gurus, graphic designers from the Balkans, Filipino chatters, or Hungarian pornstars? Do you think the next president will be able to stop Eastern European programmers from programming bots to do any number of things which were formerly done by hand?

Another reason itâ??s back to what it was in in the 70s is because of the levelling off of female participation. The president has nothing to do with it.

Labour markets: The "quasi-structural" unemployment issue | The Economist

slapass · 01-31-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper

Most economists will tell you that presidential policy has very little impact on the economy. In terms of importance, the president would rank a distant distant third behind market forces and the Fed. Even though the president names the chairman, the fed has always operated largely independent of the political process and every president since Reagan (and possibly before) has reappointed a head from the previous administration.

Volcker - nominated by Carter, reappointed by Reagan
Greenspan - nominated by Reagan, reappointed by Bush, Clinton, & Bush.
Bernanke - nominated by Bush, reappointed by Obama
Yellen - nominated by Obama, TBD

Playing the blame game is silly but if for some reason anyone feels the need to blame anyone for â??printing trillions of dollarsâ?? (aka quantitative easing), the person to blame is Bernanke, the chairman of the fed who was appointed by Bush and retained by Obama. Keep in mind that blaming the Grobama economy on Bush because Bush nominated Bernanke means you also have to credit Carter for the Reagan economy because Carter nominated Volcker.

The labor force participation rate is what it is because of market forces,

Globalization and technology driven automation obviously two big reasons.

Is there anyone out there who believes that Trump will somehow be able to stop people on GFY from hiring Indian SEO gurus, graphic designers from the Balkans, Filipino chatters, or Hungarian pornstars? Do you think the next president will be able to stop Eastern European programmers from programming bots to do any number of things which were formerly done by hand?

Another reason itâ??s back to what it was in in the 70s is because of the levelling off of female participation. The president has nothing to do with it.

Labour markets: The "quasi-structural" unemployment issue | The Economist

Reagan went in with a plan and got it implemented. Totally destroyed the economy. He wanted lower taxes. He did this by wiping out tax breaks on tons of stuff. So half the economy got devalued overnight. This killed real estate. The S&L's all went out of business. Very hard not to put that on him.

astronaut x · 01-31-2016, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv

I knew your reading comprehension was shit.

Please explain what it is that I misunderstood about your comment. I certainly wasn't trying to be a dick or confrontational in anyway to you.

astronaut x · 01-31-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RummyBoy

Total illusion...... only thickos think its booming.

Housing market is back up and continues to climb. Stock market is back up. People who lost 35-50% of their value in IRA's when the recession hit, have seen that money return and continue to gain value.

Vendzilla · 01-31-2016, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv

Reagan actually ruined our economy. You don't remember people walking away from their houses that they owed more on than they were worth? 1988, 1989 were horrible because of the damage Reagan did. 1990, 1991... lots of people got foreclosed on. It took Bill Clinton to fix it.

Bush ruined our economy. It took obama to fix it.

Republicans love off shoring. Bush signed NAFTA. Republican donors are people who don't care about the environment, your health, or whether you have a good paying job. You will still need the Koch brother's energy even if you are in jail, a hospital or a housing unit in the ghetto.

The Republican led congress is fucking up what could be done right now to improve your lives. They even admitted it happily. Do you not remember them saying they wouldn't allow anything good to be attributed to Obama? So they block even in funding of troops. If they really have a shit they would write a troop funding bill with nothing else attached to it.

Which doesn't have anything to do with what I said

Rochard · 01-31-2016, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Which doesn't have anything to do with what I said

Let's revisit exactly what you said....

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

That's the thing, we are losing the jobs that more people were trained to do. Those jobs need to come back. By changing the trade we do with other countries, we can do that. That is how Reagan did it to help Harley Davidson in the 80's and can be done for any business in the US.

So you mentioned something good to Reagan did, and he mentioned something bad that Reagan did. Seems to have a lot to with what you said.

But this is where the problem is. Reagan helped to bail out Harley Davidson in the 1980s (I did not know this) and it's celebrated. Obama - when we needed the help the most - bailed out the auto industry (and others) and the Republican party bitched and complained. Why is it okay for a Republican to do, but not okay for a Democrat?

If Romney became President and pushed for Romenycare, it would have been accepted by Republicans. But because it was a Democratic president, Republicans fought it tooth and nail. Still to this day they continue to fight it even though it's working. This is just basic common sense - take the hit and admit defeat, instead of reminding everyone that the Republicans lost that battle. Even if Republicans get what they want and bring an end to Obamacare, they will still loose because millions of people will loose their healthcare.

We need to do the right thing for the right reasons, not fight the right thing because the other party thought of it first.

astronaut x · 02-01-2016, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Let's revisit exactly what you said....

So you mentioned something good to Reagan did, and he mentioned something bad that Reagan did. Seems to have a lot to with what you said.

But this is where the problem is. Reagan helped to bail out Harley Davidson in the 1980s (I did not know this) and it's celebrated. Obama - when we needed the help the most - bailed out the auto industry (and others) and the Republican party bitched and complained. Why is it okay for a Republican to do, but not okay for a Democrat?

If Romney became President and pushed for Romenycare, it would have been accepted by Republicans. But because it was a Democratic president, Republicans fought it tooth and nail. Still to this day they continue to fight it even though it's working. This is just basic common sense - take the hit and admit defeat, instead of reminding everyone that the Republicans lost that battle. Even if Republicans get what they want and bring an end to Obamacare, they will still loose because millions of people will loose their healthcare.

We need to do the right thing for the right reasons, not fight the right thing because the other party thought of it first.

I totally agree with everything you just said in regards to Obama can do no right in the eyes of a Republican, however, I strongly disagree that Obamacare is working. In fact, i think healthcare is more fucked than its ever been. I certainly don't blame that on Obama though, that is just a product of how fucked an corrupt our political system is. Granted, its a lot better than many other countries in the world, but healthcare is a complete mess.

Vendzilla · 02-01-2016, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Let's revisit exactly what you said....

So you mentioned something good to Reagan did, and he mentioned something bad that Reagan did. Seems to have a lot to with what you said.

But this is where the problem is. Reagan helped to bail out Harley Davidson in the 1980s (I did not know this) and it's celebrated. Obama - when we needed the help the most - bailed out the auto industry (and others) and the Republican party bitched and complained. Why is it okay for a Republican to do, but not okay for a Democrat?

If Romney became President and pushed for Romenycare, it would have been accepted by Republicans. But because it was a Democratic president, Republicans fought it tooth and nail. Still to this day they continue to fight it even though it's working. This is just basic common sense - take the hit and admit defeat, instead of reminding everyone that the Republicans lost that battle. Even if Republicans get what they want and bring an end to Obamacare, they will still loose because millions of people will loose their healthcare.

We need to do the right thing for the right reasons, not fight the right thing because the other party thought of it first.

Here's where you lost me

Harley Davidson was helped with tariffs against imports
The auto industry was bailed out with money that was never paid back completely

Two completely different things

RomneyCare and Obamacare are not the same thing and I don't really care, I just want something that works, Obamacare does not live up to the promises made, so this makes no difference either.

We need do the right thing the RIGHT WAY, learning from history should be the first step. That's why I brought up how Reagan decided to deal with a trade problem and helped an american company

In the end Rochard, I don't give a shit about Republican vs Democrat, I just want something that works, what Obama has done doesn't work and blaming the other side is ridiculous!! He's a weak leader and not the first president to have to deal with the other side not liking him or his administration, the difference is that the other dealt with it.

He has the lowest average approval rating since Carter, never has a president been so hated in recent history!

Rochard · 02-01-2016, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

I totally agree with everything you just said in regards to Obama can do no right in the eyes of a Republican, however, I strongly disagree that Obamacare is working. In fact, i think healthcare is more fucked than its ever been. I certainly don't blame that on Obama though, that is just a product of how fucked an corrupt our political system is. Granted, its a lot better than many other countries in the world, but healthcare is a complete mess.

I honesty cannot tell you if Obamacare is working or not. I had insurance before, I have insurance now. It went up a little, but that was going to happen no matter what. Seems to me like we have a lot more people covered than before so it seems to be working.

In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, the US healthcare system is seriously broken. I mean seriously fucked up. Obamacare isn't going to fix it over night. It's a starting point, and needs to be improved from here. But getting rid of Obamacare and started from scratch isn't going to fix anything.

Rochard · 02-01-2016, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Here's where you lost me

Harley Davidson was helped with tariffs against imports
The auto industry was bailed out with money that was never paid back completely

Wasn't everything paid back in full, and a small profit made?

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

RomneyCare and Obamacare are not the same thing and I don't really care, I just want something that works, Obamacare does not live up to the promises made, so this makes no difference either.

I believe Romneycare and Obamacare are very similar, keeping in mind that one is small on the state level, while the other is much larger, on the federal level, and subject to a lot more rules, regulations, and laws.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

In the end Rochard, I don't give a shit about Republican vs Democrat, I just want something that works, what Obama has done doesn't work and blaming the other side is ridiculous!! He's a weak leader and not the first president to have to deal with the other side not liking him or his administration, the difference is that the other dealt with it.

I don't think you care about Republican vs Democrat, you just don't like Obama. No matter, you do not like him and anything he does will never meet with your approval. I also don't like Obama. I also don't like McCain, Palin, Romney, Hillary, Bernie, or any of the other ones no matter what part they are from. They are all same - politicians. I just hope and pray they do well. And I judge things as I see them, not because I don't like the person in office. I am never going to like the person in office. But I want us to well. And obviously, we are doing well. We are obviously much better off than when Obama first took office.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

He has the lowest average approval rating since Carter, never has a president been so hated in recent history!

But you are cherry picking your stats again. When you say "recent history", you mean "no including President Bush", right?

Using another graph from the Wall Street Journal shows that Obama's low points were still higher than both Bushs:

(source)

No matter what the truth is, you will complain about Obama.

Vendzilla · 02-01-2016, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

I honesty cannot tell you if Obamacare is working or not. I had insurance before, I have insurance now. It went up a little, but that was going to happen no matter what. Seems to me like we have a lot more people covered than before so it seems to be working.

In case anyone hasn't figured this out yet, the US healthcare system is seriously broken. I mean seriously fucked up. Obamacare isn't going to fix it over night. It's a starting point, and needs to be improved from here. But getting rid of Obamacare and started from scratch isn't going to fix anything.

Rochard, there is nothing wrong with the healthcare system, we have the best in the world, the problem is the insurance industry that pays for it.

Trying to correct the over 20,000 pages of regulation, it would be easier to start over

Vendzilla · 02-01-2016, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Wasn't everything paid back in full, and a small profit made?

No, it cost tax payers 9.26 billion dollars in the end
Final tally: Taxpayers auto bailout loss $9.3B

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I believe Romneycare and Obamacare are very similar, keeping in mind that one is small on the state level, while the other is much larger, on the federal level, and subject to a lot more rules, regulations, and laws.

Maybe in idea, but not in execution

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I don't think you care about Republican vs Democrat, you just don't like Obama. No matter, you do not like him and anything he does will never meet with your approval. I also don't like Obama. I also don't like McCain, Palin, Romney, Hillary, Bernie, or any of the other ones no matter what part they are from. They are all same - politicians. I just hope and pray they do well. And I judge things as I see them, not because I don't like the person in office. I am never going to like the person in office. But I want us to well. And obviously, we are doing well. We are obviously much better off than when Obama first took office.

If you want to believe we are doing better, good for you, ignorance is bliss, but I know better

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But you are cherry picking your stats again. When you say "recent history", you mean "no including President Bush", right?

Using another graph from the Wall Street Journal shows that Obama's low points were still higher than both Bushs:

(source)

No matter what the truth is, you will complain about Obama.

No, you are wrong

here's a list going back to Truman

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116677/pr...cs-trends.aspx

Harry Truman

April 1945-January 1953

45.4

Dwight Eisenhower

January 1953-January 1961

65.0

John Kennedy

January 1961-November 1963

70.1

Lyndon Johnson

November 1963-January 1969

55.1

Richard Nixon

January 1969-August 1974

49.0

Gerald Ford

August 1974-January 1977

47.2

Jimmy Carter

January 1977-January 1981

45.5

Ronald Reagan

January 1981-January 1989

52.8

George H.W. Bush

January 1989-January 1993

60.9

Bill Clinton

January 1993-January 2001

55.1

George W. Bush

January 2001-January 2009

49.4

and here is the average approval rating of Obama

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116479/ba...-approval.aspx

it's 47% which is just above Carter and lower than both Bushes, Clinton, Reagan

That's recent history

Vendzilla · 02-01-2016, 12:29 PM

And you are right, I don't care about Dems vs Repubs, I don't like the president

Rochard · 02-01-2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Rochard, there is nothing wrong with the healthcare system, we have the best in the world, the problem is the insurance industry that pays for it.

Trying to correct the over 20,000 pages of regulation, it would be easier to start over

Our healthcare system was fucked BEFORE Obama. Completely. Which is why we had to overhaul it.

And yes, it took twenty thousand pages of regulations to do it. It's a huge law that has to take into account laws from fifty states.

astronaut x · 02-01-2016, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Rochard, there is nothing wrong with the healthcare system, we have the best in the world, the problem is the insurance industry that pays for it.

Trying to correct the over 20,000 pages of regulation, it would be easier to start over

You are just blindly stating opinions that are based on nothing more then, and forgive me for being harsh, dumb patriotic loyalty. It doesn't make you any less of an American to say that we are not number one at something. Here are the real facts....

According to the WHO, The United States ranks 37th in the world in health care. Interestingly enough, Cuba, a nation that has lived under US embargo for the past 50 years, ranks only two places behind us at 39. This is a place that has had no internet, and people are still driving around cars from the 50's.

Another interesting fact...almost every single country ranked in the top 26 have universal health care. That is a pretty fucking sobering fact right there. FREE fucking health care.

Another interesting fact. Although we are ranked 37th, we are ranked number 1 in per capita expenditure. Where the fuck does all that money go? Straight into the pockets of politicians and the CEOs of health insurance companies. Let us also not forget about the doctors who rape the system every fucking day, over billing and working the system.

Tell me, how in the fuck does a man who was the head of a health insurance company, that was convicted of defrauding the government, and made to pay 1.7 billion dollars in fines (at the time, the largest case of fraud in US history), get to be the governor of one of the most heavily populated states in the country?

Ill tell you how.... dumb and blind patriotic loyalty.

Marinate on that for a bit.

Rochard · 02-01-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

No, it cost tax payers 9.26 billion dollars in the end
Final tally: Taxpayers auto bailout loss $9.3B

Maybe in idea, but not in execution

If you want to believe we are doing better, good for you, ignorance is bliss, but I know better

No, you are wrong

here's a list going back to Truman

Presidential Approval Ratings | Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends

Harry Truman

April 1945-January 1953

45.4

Dwight Eisenhower

January 1953-January 1961

65.0

John Kennedy

January 1961-November 1963

70.1

Lyndon Johnson

November 1963-January 1969

55.1

Richard Nixon

January 1969-August 1974

49.0

Gerald Ford

August 1974-January 1977

47.2

Jimmy Carter

January 1977-January 1981

45.5

Ronald Reagan

January 1981-January 1989

52.8

George H.W. Bush

January 1989-January 1993

60.9

Bill Clinton

January 1993-January 2001

55.1

George W. Bush

January 2001-January 2009

49.4

and here is the average approval rating of Obama

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Barack Obama | Gallup Historical Data & Trends

it's 47% which is just above Carter and lower than both Bushes, Clinton, Reagan

That's recent history

So, going by your page of "modern times.... Obama has an "average approval rating" of 49%.

Which is the same or better as...
Bush 49%
Carter 45%
Ford 47%
Nixon 49%

So if you change the basic requirement of "all time average" and then compare it to other modern day presidents, Obama is equal to or better than four other Presidents, none of whom had to face the economic disaster Obama has faced?

Then compare his low to the other lows....

Obama 41%
Bush 22%
Clinton 38%
Bush 29%
Reagan 35%
Carter 38%
Ford 37%
Nixon 24%
Johnson 35%

Robbie · 02-01-2016, 03:00 PM

Funny how a guy who is an employee and doesn't pay for his own insurance thinks Obamacare is just fine.

kkkkkk · 02-01-2016, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

So, going by your page of "modern times.... Obama has an "average approval rating" of 49%.

Which is the same or better as...
Bush 49%
Carter 45%
Ford 47%
Nixon 49%

So if you change the basic requirement of "all time average" and then compare it to other modern day presidents, Obama is equal to or better than four other Presidents, none of whom had to face the economic disaster Obama has faced?

Then compare his low to the other lows....

Obama 41%
Bush 22%
Clinton 38%
Bush 29%
Reagan 35%
Carter 38%
Ford 37%
Nixon 24%
Johnson 35%

bon voyage!

Vendzilla · 02-01-2016, 04:20 PM

Richard, read it again, it's 47. term average to date.
The highs and the lows are not what I'm talking about, it's the average

Robbie · 02-01-2016, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astronaut x

Housing market is back up and continues to climb. Stock market is back up. People who lost 35-50% of their value in IRA's when the recession hit, have seen that money return and continue to gain value.

I thought the stock market has been tumbling down horribly for the last couple of weeks?

Also...the housing market may be another bubble according to some of the reports I've seen on financial shows on cable.
It might be completely artificial because of the Fed keeping interest rates so low.
I hope the hell I'm wrong about that. My home cost me $720,000 in 2008. And a month later it dropped to $480,000 when the crash hit.

It's just now up to $515,000 after 7 years of Obama's "recovery".
I hope the housing market will continue to climb. But it's FAR from being "back up". Very far.

Relic · 02-01-2016, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkkkkk

bon voyage!

Rochard · 02-01-2016, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Richard, read it again, it's 47. term average to date.
The highs and the lows are not what I'm talking about, it's the average

Your page says 49%.

MK Ultra · 02-01-2016, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard

Your page says 49%.

Same approval rate as Richard Nixon, high bar indeed

Robbie · 02-01-2016, 07:21 PM

I don't know if those numbers are right.

They show Pres. Johnson with a 55.1 approval rating.
And yet....he's the guy who REAL liberals basically ran out of office over the Vietnam War.

Most of you are too young to remember the "I will not run" speech he gave when he could have ran for a second term.

Johnson was hated during his Presidency. There were MAJOR protests and rioting against him during his tenure in office.

astronaut x · 02-01-2016, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I thought the stock market has been tumbling down horribly for the last couple of weeks?

Also...the housing market may be another bubble according to some of the reports I've seen on financial shows on cable.
It might be completely artificial because of the Fed keeping interest rates so low.
I hope the hell I'm wrong about that. My home cost me $720,000 in 2008. And a month later it dropped to $480,000 when the crash hit.

It's just now up to $515,000 after 7 years of Obama's "recovery".
I hope the housing market will continue to climb. But it's FAR from being "back up". Very far.

Stock markets go up and down. A period of a couple weeks is pointless to even mention.

It is entirely possible we may see another housing bubble, but for completely different reasons. However, that doesn't mean that the national average of home values has not risen.

Consider yourself fortunate. You could have lost a whole lot more if you had purchased that same home a year and a half earlier.

I don't know what the local circumstances are in your area, but market values for housing are different region by region. Personally I never lost any money on my home. Just before the bubble, my home was worth almost double of what I paid. At the lowest point, it was worth the same of what I paid, and today it is valued 35% more then what I paid.

As far as the economy goes, we could be in worse shape than what we are now.

Robbie · 02-01-2016, 07:36 PM

I would say that the stock market is right there with the housing market...all of it is being artificially stimulated by low interest rates and the Fed cranking out new money from thin air.

I'm worried that along with the almost unfathomable national debt...we might be in for an economic crash of gargantuan size.

We certainly haven't "recovered" from the 2008 housing market crash which almost brought the whole economy down.
This has been the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression.

And I just don't feel confident in Washington D.C. being able to manage this.

Remember the President told us all that the summer of 2009 was going down in history as "The Summer Of Recovery".

When I see our politicians dreaming up NEW ways to spend money instead of stopping spending...it tells me that they are either incompetent or complete crooks (I lean toward the latter).

2MuchMark · 02-01-2016, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

The auto industry was bailed out with money that was never paid back completely

What about this?

"Last month, the rescue of the auto industry officially came to an end," Obama said Jan. 7 in Detroit. "The auto companies have now repaid taxpayers every dime and more of what my administration invested in."

Obama says automakers have paid back all the loans it got from his admin 'and more' | PolitiFact

Is this not true?

astronaut x · 02-01-2016, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

What about this?

"Last month, the rescue of the auto industry officially came to an end," Obama said Jan. 7 in Detroit. "The auto companies have now repaid taxpayers every dime and more of what my administration invested in."

Obama says automakers have paid back all the loans it got from his admin 'and more' | PolitiFact

Is this not true?

That is completely true Mark. I remember a lot Republicans bitching about that bailout. Letting that industry fail would have been devastating to that entire area. Not just for the people who would have lost their job's, but for the entire economy, locally and nationally.

True Obama success story right there

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Robbie · 02-02-2016, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

What about this?

"Last month, the rescue of the auto industry officially came to an end," Obama said Jan. 7 in Detroit. "The auto companies have now repaid taxpayers every dime and more of what my administration invested in."

Obama says automakers have paid back all the loans it got from his admin 'and more' | PolitiFact

Is this not true?

The automakers never paid anything back.
The govt. took stock from the company in return for the bailout and then sold the stock over time to recover money.

The "bailout" was really the federal govt. theoretically taking taxpayer money (but actually just printing money because we are so far in debt) and buying stock in the automakers.

Also...if you read that link you posted to politifact (which I'm guessing that you didn't as usual)...you will see that the auto bailout began under Bush and continued under Obama.

So Obama (as usual) cooked the books and is only counting the amount that the federal govt. gave the auto makers under his watch.
The FACT is that when you count the ENTIRE auto bailout...the feds lost several billion dollars.

Try reading the article you linked to instead of just the headline.

NatalieK · 02-02-2016, 02:47 AM

I hope Rubio wins, he looks like a nice guy, a real persons person, a peoples person, a true president to make things better for his country & the rest of the world

I heard he's in 10th place

astronaut x · 02-02-2016, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

The automakers never paid anything back.
The govt. took stock from the company in return for the bailout and then sold the stock over time to recover money.

The "bailout" was really the federal govt. theoretically taking taxpayer money (but actually just printing money because we are so far in debt) and buying stock in the automakers.

Also...if you read that link you posted to politifact (which I'm guessing that you didn't as usual)...you will see that the auto bailout began under Bush and continued under Obama.

So Obama (as usual) cooked the books and is only counting the amount that the federal govt. gave the auto makers under his watch.
The FACT is that when you count the ENTIRE auto bailout...the feds lost several billion dollars.

Try reading the article you linked to instead of just the headline.

Ask an auto worker, how they feel the bailout went. Ask any retired worker with a GM/Chrysler/Ford pension how they feel the bailout went. Oh that's right, pensions are 'entitlements.'

Compare the auto bailout to the bank bailout. Who do you think fucked the taxpayers the most?

What do you think your house would be worth now without the bank bailout?

I have to admit, that article wasn't the greatest example of displaying how great the auto bailout was, but even at it's worst, its still better than what the banks did.

Lets just focus on the bad shit, and ignore the good stuff though.

That article focuses on what Bush gave them and didn't get back, and blames the Obama admin, because they "suggested" it was a good idea before Bush left office.

Yes, the government sold stock... so they recovered money. Does it have to be in crisp 100 dollar bills, packed in suitcases, delivered in armored cars?

01-30-2016, 02:18 PM	#102
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	That, and the fact that Bush and Obama went straight for the "bailout" of wallstreet with TRILLIONS of dollars leaving the average citizen of this country high and dry as homes were foreclosed on by those very same banks being bailed out in record numbers. And since we were already at 12 trillion in debt...they didn't actually have the money to do the bailout. So they just printed more. Just like they do every year when Congress raises the "Debt Ceiling. The "Debt Ceiling"...what a FUCKING JOKE. It was passed into law a couple of decades back to STOP the govt. from spending too much. Instead they simply raise it twice a year and keep right on spending and printing money. And if ANY politician tries to say "No" to raising the debt ceiling...then they are accused of "shutting down the govt." And now we're closing in on 20 TRILLION dollars in debt. That is how Washington D.C. operates. Double talk and bullshit. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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02-01-2016, 04:20 PM	#132
Vendzilla Biker Gnome Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: cell#324 Posts: 23,201	Richard, read it again, it's 47. term average to date. The highs and the lows are not what I'm talking about, it's the average __________________ Webair died? Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants think about that

02-01-2016, 07:21 PM	#137
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	I don't know if those numbers are right. They show Pres. Johnson with a 55.1 approval rating. And yet....he's the guy who REAL liberals basically ran out of office over the Vietnam War. Most of you are too young to remember the "I will not run" speech he gave when he could have ran for a second term. Johnson was hated during his Presidency. There were MAJOR protests and rioting against him during his tenure in office. __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,627	So Obama might be the guy who bankrupt America on his watch... Less good of a legacy.

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	I would say that the stock market is right there with the housing market...all of it is being artificially stimulated by low interest rates and the Fed cranking out new money from thin air. I'm worried that along with the almost unfathomable national debt...we might be in for an economic crash of gargantuan size. We certainly haven't "recovered" from the 2008 housing market crash which almost brought the whole economy down. This has been the slowest economic recovery since the Great Depression. And I just don't feel confident in Washington D.C. being able to manage this. Remember the President told us all that the summer of 2009 was going down in history as "The Summer Of Recovery". When I see our politicians dreaming up NEW ways to spend money instead of stopping spending...it tells me that they are either incompetent or complete crooks (I lean toward the latter). __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

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