L-Pink

Honest question, you make your living buying and selling things on the Internet. Do you declare and pay taxes on ALL of your income? I'm willing to bet you don't yet here you are preaching how tax dollars should be spent.


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crockett

My money goes through PayPal and now also Amazon. Once you hit certain amount they send you tax forms. There isn't hiding any money so quit your crying. I've also been known to take random jobs from time to time, once again paying taxes.

About the only place I can skimp by is face to face transactions from craigslist, but that's maybe 5% of my sales if that.

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woj

how do you explain the fact that supposedly Russia has one of the highest educated population and yet they are far from prospering? how come European economy isn't exactly prospering either, while most countries offer "free" education? could it be that "free" education is not the answer that will solve all the problems?

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dyna mo

y'all arguing against subsidized higher ed know it's not if, it's when, right?

woj

perhaps you are right, but when all is done, nothing at all will change... uneducated will stay uneducated... only difference will be the productive workers will get fleeced a bit more...

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dyna mo

perhaps you are right. i think it has potential and the comparison in the OP certainly highlights that our priorities are fucked up. a lot of those workers in China building Apple shit are skilled workers, they are educated.

Sarn

just forget, so simple
2 000 000 000 000 $ o_O

ps: cyberseo - in Russia in bad education, 60% people do not work in not own specialty and lack of experience in their specialty + corruption and nepotism.
Diploma can be purchased through distance learning at without visiting the university, and majority consist from this specialists. Let teach the Americans how to build education

just a punk

Not my country but Putin and his thievish gang. I have zero profit of it. It's the same as your country prints billions of paper money which costs nothing and sells it to the other world. Yes, the thieves are everywhere. Except dollar you produce nothing, everything you consume is made in China. Even your super-puper high tech astronauts use Russian rocket technologies to reach space (if we speak of education). Admit it already.

Russian thieves in government are fuckin' bastards, but they allow people to live for their way. They don't strangle the citizens with high taxes, paid medicine, paid education etc. I've never said that our society is perfect. Course it's not. It's very corrupted and it's controlled by a bunch of thieves. But in fact it's very easy for life. Everybody's here who earn $1000 has much more cash in his pocket than somebody in the States who earns 5x times more. Yes, here you may have some problems (not a prison time of course, but you can be fined) if you go to the street with a banner where is written that Putin is a fag. But on the other hand, here you can freely bring a case with a million dollars in cash to buy your new apartments or anything else and nobody will ask you a question. So the freedom is a very specific and individual thing. Everyone sees it in his own way.

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crockett

Diffrent mentally of the population. Now look at Japan and ask the same.

Russians have been fed propaganda for years about how corrupt capitalism is. Now suprise they find themselves in a capitalist system and they think the only way to react is to cheat and scam.

They still haven't learned how to act properly with their freedom.

Sarn

Everything is much more difficult.

woj

and our population is that much better? at least half of the population is getting some government handout... they think that "capitalists/corporations/1%ers/etc" are somehow the problem... etc... they think that government should provide more "free" stuff... it's the same exact mentality that plagued Russia...

you really think the main reason they are not prospering is lack of "free" education?

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You are just a comic example of a clueless moron First of all, most of Russians don't care if they are capitalists, zen budists, socialists etc. Even in Soviet times just a small % here has believed to the commie ideology (an average citizen just didn't care). They are used to live their lives independently to any regime. That's why Soviet Union has never been somehow similar to North Korea or Nazi Germany. As about "cheat and scam", so you are much more stupid than I thought. Since you do not run your own business... I'll tell you one secret as a person who sell his own software online since 1997, the % of Russian scammers is not even comparable with the the US-based ones. You guys, are #1 according to anything I know: my own experience and the public statistics. Yeah there was the only case when my credit card was compromised. It happened in the USA a few months later after it was used by me in the Dulles international airport. Someone has tried to cash a magnetic copy of my card via ATM in Chicago. For some strange reason none of my cards I was using in Russia or in any other countries have never been compromised for all the time. How come?

He has a mind of amoeba, so he won't even try to find out.

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crockett

Why do you only look at the bad examples of everything? I bet you are a real fun person to hang with..

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bronco67

Straw man much?

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I'm just taking it to it's end result. Why should I pay for other people instead of for myself and my own family?

I don't want this aggravation anymore. I'll just quit and I won't even LOOK for work (which will keep the fake unemployment rate low because they won't count me).
And then I'll get FREE healthcare, foodstamps (FREE food), and housing assistance (FREE housing).

No more taxes, no more worries.

YOU can pay for me! Isn't that what you always wanted?

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dyna mo

Robbie, your beef isn't with how taxes are spent, it's that taxes are collected at all, yes?

Paul Markham

Why is this?

US unemployment isn't the fault of Governments. They don't have the power to move businesses. You can blame them for not giving businesses everything they demand, bottom line is, a Government can impose import controls from the Third World.

The Recession of 2007â??2009: BLS Spotlight on Statistics



The problem is high earners have seen their income soar. The rest have not. GDPper capita is rising on a good level. It's not going to the average people though, it's going to the very elite.

Wages in America, Most of Us are Have Nots | The Economic Populist



Too poorly educated to get better jobs, if those jobs haven't been exported yet. And all the time.



This is the fault of the Government. Migration and births have to be controlled. Especially as businesses go East, automation and your client base shrinks.

All this means the Democrats are assured of a win after win. All they need to do is get their people out.

It's strange how a discussion about not throwing money into bottomless pits of wars that always lose more money than they bring in. Has turned into a discussion of not improving the health and education of people which always produce a profit.

The problem is I'm talking about us, many here are talking for the 0.5% as if they belong to that crowd.

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Because you're investing in your country's and family's future. If not your own. Your income I suspect is 90% based in the Western World. Then in the middle class of those countries. Their future is your future.

If they get poorer so do you.

If you want to get people off food stamps and benefits. Buy American made goods. Make sure you vote for people who will pass laws to make employing illegals a criminal offence that carried heavy fines and/or prison. A Government that doesn't put prisons into the hands of private companies and guarantees them a full prison. Educates children to a level where they can get a job and the best to a level of Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg, Page and Brin. Before China does.

A Government that will tell companies like Fords of Mexico its cars now have a tariff of 15% tax to invest in schools and healthcare. So they see the benefit of employing Americans. Talks to the EU about banning companies shifting profits to tax havens.

It needs us to vote these bought and paid for clowns out of a job. So they work for us.

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L-Pink

Bullshit. I am far from the top in income which makes it all the harder to write quarterly tax checks in the $15,000 range. (Federal, state, property) But according to most here I should fork over more so others can have free stuff.

Fuck that. Get your own like I did.

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Robbie

No, it's definitely how they are spent and the amounts of money the govt. is spending that it doesn't even have (20 trillion in debt and growing).

There never seems to be a plan to really stop the debt from growing.

It's so bad that Congress had to pass a law to create a "Debt Ceiling".
And now, every year they vote to INCREASE it. And if you argue against it you are accused of "shutting down the govt."

What was the fucking point of a debt ceiling if it is never abided by?

Instead of new plans to spend more money...I'd like to see a real plan to STOP spending money.

Just my opinion.

But I do believe that if everything keeps being "Free" it's going to disincentivize people from wanting to work even further.
What's the point of working when you can have just as much by NOT working?

EDIT: But I do believe that income tax is a fucked up thing. It penalizes people for working.
It should be a national sales tax. With housing and food excluded from that tax.

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Sarn

the working class collect money for free education of their children, will not be enough for everyone. on 1/5 there will be no money and no education.
science moved forward - entered robots will replace worker class the 1/5 in who paid for free education and have not received it.

Paul Markham

Are you in favour of forking out tax checks in the $15,000 range. To fight pointless wars, to fill the pockets of big business?

That's the point the OP is making. Instead of paying for wars that have no end or profit for you. You pay no more in tax for something that does profit you and your country.

Only Republicans are screaming about paying more, maybe they like pointless wars.

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Paul Markham

Getting spending down to a manageable level is possible.

It would require very strict immigration, childbirth, benefits, military and spending policies. Also very strict import/export controls. Raising the costs of imported goods to new levels. You would also have to start paying more for food produce.

It would put millions of Americans out of a job. And reduce the disposable cash of those in work. Who in turn could no longer buy your goods. Which would hit your income by a huge amount.

As it will be lowering profits of companies that currently control Governments, it will never happen. Imagine slashing the budget for wars and the effect that would have on all the companies churning out tanks and fighters.

Some here are against switching the money from wars to health and education. Terrified Big Brother will just add the cost to taxes.

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