The Iraq war cost us 2 trillion dollars = 28 years of free college education. - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 02-15-2016, 03:39 PM

50 war or education, posts

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Originally Posted by kane

Does it have to be a zero sum game? Can't someone in charge spend 30 minutes on Google and determine the most in-demand fields and fields where graduates actually get jobs and build careers and then make those areas of study free? That way if you want to attend college and get a degree in 15th century pottery, women's studies or Greek literature, you are free to do so, but you will have to pay for it yourself. If you want to study computer science,nursing, business, engineering etc then it is free. I would also extend that to certain trade schools that teach in-demand skills like auto and diesel mechanics, plumbers, etc.

Because that would be the best and most sensible policy.

Forget about the 2 trillion dollars. The wars also cost;

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As of May 29, 2012, according to the U.S. Department of Defense casualty website, there were 4,425 total deaths (including both killed in action and non-hostile) and 32,223 wounded in action (WIA) as a result of Operation Iraqi Freedom.[51] As a part of Operation New Dawn, which was initiated on September 1, 2010, there were 66 total deaths (including KIA and non-hostile) and 301 WIA. See the references for a breakdown of the wounded, injured, ill, those returned to duty (RTD), those requiring medical air transport, non-hostile-related medical air transports, non-hostile injuries, diseases, or other medical reasons

#23 My cousin was in those wars fighting with US forces.

And the ongoing costs are still affecting the rest of the world. Including Czech. As leader of the free world, the free world has a voice.

Robbie · 02-15-2016, 03:43 PM

I can't wait for free everything!

All I have to do is just stop making money first! This is gonna be GREAT!

Rochard · 02-15-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

But if college were free then there would be more student competition and then maybe someone else would have gotten into the school and she wouldn't.

Or the schools would be flooded with people who have no real interest in furthering their education, but instead are going to college because they think it's the next logical step. If it's for free, why not? So they limp through and barely pass.

atom · 02-15-2016, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You can not afford a free education because the American budget has no money for it. So a useless war in the shittiest place on the planet is the only entertainment for the US taxpayers - adopt or die, peasant.

dyna mo · 02-15-2016, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Or the schools would be flooded with people who have no real interest in furthering their education, but instead are going to college because they think it's the next logical step. If it's for free, why not? So they limp through and barely pass.

Heads up rochard, people go get a higher education precisely because it's the next logical step. Logic. You seem to think graduating college is as easy or even easier than getting into college.

tony286 · 02-15-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I can't wait for free everything!

All I have to do is just stop making money first! This is gonna be GREAT!

actually your kid would be able to finish her education for free, doesnt matter what you make.

tony286 · 02-15-2016, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Or the schools would be flooded with people who have no real interest in furthering their education, but instead are going to college because they think it's the next logical step. If it's for free, why not? So they limp through and barely pass.

Thats happens now but they are have a shit load of loans. Its because to answer phones in an office you need a degree. A four year degree is becoming the high school diploma.

dyna mo · 02-15-2016, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Or the schools would be flooded with people who have no real interest in furthering their education, but instead are going to college because they think it's the next logical step. If it's for free, why not? So they limp through and barely pass.

Rochard, you were in the military, so your college tuition and more was paid for by the US government under the GI bill.

Atticus · 02-15-2016, 04:33 PM

What nobody likes to discuss is not everyone is college material. Whether these people rack up massive student debt or waste tax payer money and attend for free doesn't change that fact.

Somewhere along the line we created the narrative that it's better to be a middle manager making $50k a year than a plumber making $75k

Instead, how about we put money aside for free tuition at trade schools. There are plenty of blue collar middle class producing great income jobs available but they can't fill them.

woj · 02-15-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Rochard, you were in the military, so your college tuition and more was paid for by the US government under the GI bill.

I hope you are not trying to imply that he got it for "free"...

he chose an occupation (military service), where one of the perks was 100% education assistance, he didn't just get it for "free", he earned it through his work...

many private businesses offer the same perk, with various assistance levels from 0 to 100%...

Robbie · 02-15-2016, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

actually your kid would be able to finish her education for free, doesnt matter what you make.

Sweet! Free baby! I want FREE!!! Hell yes! Let's do it!

And how about insurance? Obama Care has more than doubled what I am paying out.
That will be free too... right?
FUCK YEAH!!!

Any word yet on free food? (foodstamps)
Or free housing for everyone as well?
How about free cars too?

Makes sense to me. Everybody has to eat. And it would keep "healthcare" costs down if everyone were forced to eat only healthy meals. As long as it's FREE I'm good with it!

And housing...doesn't everybody have the RIGHT to have a home? Let's make that FREE! Then there will be no more homeless people!

And a car...transportation is a MUST. It's a RIGHT in my opinion in the modern world. Let's make cars FREE!

Then all of our problems will be solved! Everyone will have a home, plenty of HEALTHY food to eat, and a car to get them around!

Let's go baby!!! What could possibly go wrong?

dyna mo · 02-15-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

I hope you are not trying to imply that he got it for "free"...

he chose an occupation (military service), where one of the perks was 100% education assistance, he didn't just get it for "free", he earned it through his work...

many private businesses offer the same perk, with various assistance levels from 0 to 100%...

I'm not implying that, I'm stating that. Veterans don't get a cash equivalent if they choose not to go to college on the GI bill just like high school grads wouldn't get a cash payment if they choose not to take the government up on the offer.. Its above and beyond military pay and not counted as such.

mikesouth · 02-15-2016, 05:22 PM

The crucial thing here is motivation without it college is a waste of time and money. back in the 80s I taught two classes at a local community college, Intro to UNIX and UNIX Internals. I loved it, I had classes FULL of adults who wanted to learn the material and even pushed my knowledge of the subject to new levels...I taught at night.

One of the teachers who taught the same classes in the day invited me to sit in, i did and I can tell you the difference was night and day, his class size was similar but much younger, it was obvious that roughly 1/3 of the class wanted to learn the material but were completely held back by another third that was just there for something to do or because the curriculum required it and and another third that were under educated, ill prepared and had no desire whatsoever to learn the material...It reminded me of high school.

Needless to say it illustrated a huge difference, my adults were in my class because they WANTED to be, they wanted to learn it and that made teaching it both fun and rewarding.

So to give a college education to someone who wants to learn, I am all for it, but to waste time, money and the quality of the education of the ones who want to learn it on some kid who is simply there because he/she has to be is a big mistake.

The right way to do it is to make it free if you make an A r a B in the class, anything else and you pay for it....maybe like a student loan is set up now, you start the class owing the money, make an A or a B and the debt is wiped clean.

The idea that just providing a free college education has value is ludicrous that thinking is the bane of the public school system and the reason why we have so many functional illiterates with high school diplomas, free is fine if it actually accomplishes something...I can even make an argument that there is added value, that the money spent comes back to the government and or the community making it a good investment....BUT...If all it does is provide free day care for an extra 4-8 years...my tax dollars can be better spent.

bronco67 · 02-15-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

it isn't...

for starters there is NOTHING stopping anyone from getting higher education now...

so all this is just making up an imaginary problem, then attempting to solve it...

it's also "false dilemma", like L-pink said few posts earlier, why not consider that having neither war or free higher education might be best? why does it have to be one or the other?

You live in a fantasy world.

bronco67 · 02-15-2016, 05:24 PM

Spending the money on universal pre-K would be a great investment also. You could be changing the path of a future criminal by making sure he/she is socialized properly and exposed to education before they even reach the public school system. My wife is a teacher and says the worst students who are also the biggest disciplinary problems are the ones who have obviously never opened a book or been shown any structure from birth to Kindergarten.

Making sure every child gets the same chance as middle/upper income kids is not a handout...it's a way to ensure the future of our work force and economy. That kid whose Pre-K your taxes paid for might not sneak into your bedroom one night in 15 years to stab you in the face for your Rolex.

oppoten · 02-15-2016, 05:26 PM

I'm trying to work out which part of that sentence amuses Israel the most...

bronco67 · 02-15-2016, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Or the schools would be flooded with people who have no real interest in furthering their education, but instead are going to college because they think it's the next logical step. If it's for free, why not? So they limp through and barely pass.

This is also a good point. While everyone should have the opportunity to go to school, it doesn't mean everyone should. I'm starting a college fund for my daughter, but I sure as fuck believe in her following her passions -- and if that passion does not involve school, then she can use it to travel or whatever.

L-Pink · 02-15-2016, 06:08 PM

What's real fucked up is I have to go thru a multi step approval, permit and inspection process to enclose my patio. To enclose a fucking patio. Meanwhile dipshits everywhere can breed at will and I have to take care of their kids housing, medical, food, education.

There really needs to be more anti pregnancy marketing. To bad a permit isn't required for children.

MiamiBoyz · 02-15-2016, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

According to Sanders, to give free college education to the masses, it would cost about $70/billion a year. The Iraq war cost tax payers $2/Trillion and counting (let's be honest we are still there fighting ISIS)

So GFY brainics.. which do you think would have made a better return on its investment?

The neoconservative war mongering way or the socialist way of giving out free educations?

The government doesn't want doesn't want an educated populace.

It wants just what it has...god fearing morons who mindlessly consume shit they don't need and think that getting 2 weeks of vacation is just dandy. That they are really livin the life!

Fuckin Sheep get just what they deserve.

L-Pink · 02-15-2016, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

You can not afford a free education because the American budget has no money for it. So a useless war in the shittiest place on the planet is the only entertainment for the US taxpayers - adopt or die, peasant.

Political and social advise from a fucking Russian. How hilarious is this.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-16-2016, 07:58 AM

investing money in education and not war would be completely anti-american...without war, the US war lobby would make LESS MONEY

hillary and bush would not approve of this no-war nonsense and every patriotic american should fight against this education bullshit!

if you are pro-education you literally want american babies to DIE!

we must protect the war lobby and keep these education terrorists away!

don't they know all the GOOD the US army has done? just look at the thriving economies of vietnam, korea, afghanistan, iraq, iran , syria and look at how the millions of refugees from this area are enriching the EU

thank god the US gov did not spend this money on education! phew! that was a close call eh?

remember: it is always better for millions of people to die, than any education to happen whatsoever!

war=good
education=bad

L-Pink · 02-16-2016, 08:06 AM

Serb loser alert! ^^^^^^^^^^^

ITraffic · 02-16-2016, 08:13 AM

sorry. everyone has to suffer as much as me.

ITraffic · 02-16-2016, 08:14 AM

Consider a huge story that vanished almost immediately in early November: Two Princeton economists discovered that deaths are soaring among middle-aged, low-education whites.

The rise in mortality from 1999 to 2014 was 22 percent: Up 134 deaths per 100,000 for whites aged 45 to 54 whose education ended in high school.

To blame: jumps in suicides and in deaths from drug abuse — that is, from alcoholic liver disease plus overdoses of heroin and prescription opiates.

One of the economists, Nobel winner Angus Deaton, notes that the only modern trend that compares is the AIDS epidemic.

poncabare · 02-16-2016, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blackmonsters

But if college were free then there would be more student competition and then maybe someone else would have gotten into the school and she wouldn't.

Nothing is truly free, someone always is paying...

12clicks · 02-16-2016, 08:29 AM

this is why the global economy is heading for collapse. Too many people wanting to suck at the governmental teat with no regard of the damage or cost.

just a punk · 02-16-2016, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Political and social advise from a fucking Russian. How hilarious is this.

A "fuckin Russian" has free and one of the best education in the World (well, not for free, actually I was paid by the government for learning for a Higher Ed. Masters Degree). A "fuckin Russian" has access to free medicine (well, we have a paid one as well so we always have a choice) and don't have to pay a single ruble for "оbamacare". A "fuckin Russian" pays only 6% tax and have much more cash in his pocket than any average American (you live in debt while I don't owe anything to anybody). A "fuckin Russian" does not afraid to be killed by an insane or drugged cop on the street (well, the crime in my city is on the same level as the one in Berlin and it much lower than in your city). An average "fuckin Russian" travels the world more intensive than you.

So what political or social advise a peasant like you may give to me? Go back to your meth, pay your loans and enjoy your paper house till the next hurricane.

L-Pink · 02-16-2016, 09:00 AM

^^^^^^ don't you have a grain quota to meet? Get crackin commie before the whole collective is punished.

dyna mo · 02-16-2016, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

A "fuckin Russian" has free and one of the best education in the World.

From your article re: ruskie education system

"Reports suggest widespread corruption in the education system, including cheating on standardized tests, selling of doctorates to politicians and the wealthy and fake thesis factories."

So of course, ruskie ranks high for number of degreed ruskie adults.

Paul Markham · 02-16-2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I can't wait for free everything!

All I have to do is just stop making money first! This is gonna be GREAT!

Are you in favour of paying more for healthcare and social services?

Because that's the reality.

just a punk · 02-16-2016, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

^^^^^^ don't you have a grain quota to meet? Get crackin commie before the whole collective is punished.

I have no idea what a "grain quota" is. If it something similar to your food stamps, so the answer is "no".

woj · 02-16-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

A "fuckin Russian" has free and one of the best education in the World

... and yet with all that brain power all your country does is pump oil out of the ground (using investments and technology from the west on top of that)...

this by the way, is an excellent illustration why investment in "free" education might not be the best path...

pimpmaster9000 · 02-16-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Serb loser alert! ^^^^^^^^^^^

"winner", what is more of a joke, I can not decide:

1) US education
2) US healthcare
3) US foreign policy

can you help me out here? I mean they are all ridiculously funny but I can not seem to pick what is most funny?

The 1trillion student debt in the USA, the $1000/pill health care or the "liberation of iraq"

I kinda think the healthcare is the biggest joke, but It just may be the education as well?

what do you think?

pimpmaster9000 · 02-16-2016, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

... and yet with all that brain power all your country does is pump oil out of the ground (using investments and technology from the west on top of that)...

p

unlike the USA that has strong production...in china

Robbie · 02-16-2016, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Are you in favour of paying more for healthcare and social services?

Because that's the reality.

I'm not gonna pay more for ANYTHING! It's all gonna be FREE!!!

I will just quit working!

woj · 02-16-2016, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

unlike the USA that has strong production...in china

you make it sound like that's a bad thing...

when for example affiliate program owner outsources some work to some person from India/Russia/Ukraine/etc for $5/hr... who is the pimp and who is doing the slave labor working for peanuts?

ponder that question and you will realize what China's position is in the US/China arrangement...

L-Pink · 02-16-2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

I'm not gonna pay more for ANYTHING! It's all gonna be FREE!!!

I will just quit working!

You just became a Serb, lol

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pimpmaster9000 · 02-16-2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

you make it sound like that's a bad thing...

when for example affiliate program owner outsources some work to some person from India/Russia/Ukraine/etc for $5/hr... who is the pimp and who is doing the slave labor working for peanuts?

ponder that question and you will realize what China's position is in the US/China arrangement...

gotcha!

education=bad
production=bad

war=good
americans too expensive to employ=good

sounds like you are pimping

or at least 1% of you are

pimpmaster9000 · 02-16-2016, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

You just became a Serb, lol

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whoa! hey now we pay FULL for health care, how dare you insinuate that we get it for free?

healthcare is $6/month...thats 72$/year...serb health care is ranked right up there with cuba and the USA

there is a more expensive version for say 20-50$/month but with complicated operations costing around the $300 mark you do not really need health insurance

whilst the #1 reason for bankruptcy is medical in the USA, we serbs will go and be stupid and get it for $6

americans are such winners!

L-Pink · 02-16-2016, 10:09 AM

^^^^^^^ bla bla bla Fucking Serb idiot who ran from his own country. Coward.

Paul Markham · 02-16-2016, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Sweet! Free baby! I want FREE!!! Hell yes! Let's do it!

And how about insurance? Obama Care has more than doubled what I am paying out.

Because Obama was forced to go via the private healthcare sector. We in Europe have a far better and cheaper system. It's not free though, we pay less via taxes.

On the plus side, it doesn't stop delivering the moment your insurance plan expires or they can find a reason to deny paying for treatment. Should your business completely implode, or you retire, all the time you paid in will cover you. So yes then it becomes free and there's no committee to decide if you live or die. Like the US system.

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you make it sound like that's a bad thing...

when for example affiliate program owner outsources some work to some person from India/Russia/Ukraine/etc for $5/hr... who is the pimp and who is doing the slave labor working for peanuts?

ponder that question and you will realize what China's position is in the US/China arrangement

This was how it worked with China 20 years ago. Now they're overtaking the West and it will be us doing the donkey work.

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this is why the global economy is heading for collapse. Too many people wanting to suck at the governmental teat with no regard of the damage or cost.

Agree. We're importing cheap labor as fast as the big corporations can get away with it. To keep wage levels down, property prices up and forcing the costs onto middle-income taxpayers. All free further education has to be on merit and need, healthcare, benefits, education, housing, etc. Only to citizens of the country. Try getting that passed by bought and paid for politicians. Not a hope in hell.

Crazy thing is, you think it's for your benefit.

The problem is there's more money in building arms than colleges, more in keeping the population scared of getting sick than keeping them fit, more in keeping people poorer than richer. For the 0.5%

And if you think billionaires are spending money to have it any other way, you're beyond hope.

pimpmaster9000 · 02-16-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

^^^^^^^ bla bla bla Fucking Serb idiot who ran from his own country. Coward.

honestly, my accountant offered the $6 I thought it was a bad deal considering how fucking cheap healthcare is in free countries

enjoy your $1000/pill and trillion $ student debt "freedom"

OldJeff · 02-16-2016, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Meanwhile you are ok with paying to have someone else kid die in a war?

Nope, not OK with that either, if you remove you liberal colored glasses you will see that liberal and conservative are the extremes, and the vast majority of people are in between the two.

Robbie · 02-16-2016, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because Obama was forced to go via the private healthcare sector.

Yeah, the President with full control of both House and Senate and who didn't let ANY Republicans help write the bill...he was "forced" to go with Big Insurance.

There wasn't any money at stake and big lobbyists involved in that decision at all was there?

You think it was all to appease the minority party at the time who were not even allowed to SEE the bill until after the Democrat House and Senate had already passed it? (Nancy Pelosi the Democrat House Chair said: "We have to vote on it before we can read it")

You kind of left all that stuff out and parroted a bunch of opinion piece b.s. in your (as usual) ignorant of the facts reply.

But what does it matter?

I will simply stop working. And get FREE everything! Why should I have to have all this aggravation and worry?
Why should I have to struggle to take care of my OWN family when the govt. is just going to take the money and give it to other people?

I want to be one of the "other people". The ones who are winning in the govt. handout game. Not the suckers paying for everything and working myself to death.

I want FREE!

And if anything happens in the news that I don't like...I'm going to loot and burn every store in town!
FREE baby!

L-Pink · 02-16-2016, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

honestly, my accountant offered the $6 I thought it was a bad deal considering how fucking cheap healthcare is in free countries

enjoy your $1000/pill and trillion $ student debt "freedom"

Your coward country fleeing ass got in the last word so you win! Serb loser.

wehateporn · 02-16-2016, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

According to Sanders, to give free college education to the masses, it would cost about $70/billion a year. The Iraq war cost tax payers $2/Trillion and counting (let's be honest we are still there fighting ISIS)

So GFY brainics.. which do you think would have made a better return on its investment?

The neoconservative war mongering way or the socialist way of giving out free educations?

It was the oligarchs harvesting the taxpot

Paul Markham · 02-16-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yeah, the President with full control of both House and Senate and who didn't let ANY Republicans help write the bill...he was "forced" to go with Big Insurance.

There wasn't any money at stake and big lobbyists involved in that decision at all was there?

You think it was all to appease the minority party at the time who were not even allowed to SEE the bill until after the Democrat House and Senate had already passed it? (Nancy Pelosi the Democrat House Chair said: "We have to vote on it before we can read it")

You kind of left all that stuff out and parroted a bunch of opinion piece b.s. in your (as usual) ignorant of the facts reply.

But what does it matter?

I will simply stop working. And get FREE everything! Why should I have to have all this aggravation and worry?
Why should I have to struggle to take care of my OWN family when the govt. is just going to take the money and give it to other people?

I want to be one of the "other people". The ones who are winning in the govt. handout game. Not the suckers paying for everything and working myself to death.

I want FREE!

And if anything happens in the news that I don't like...I'm going to loot and burn every store in town!
FREE baby!

So the US is incapable of adopting a better, cheaper and cover all system. Must feel hard to be so inferior.

woj · 02-16-2016, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So the US is incapable of adopting a better, cheaper and cover all system. Must feel hard to be so inferior.

"better" and "cheaper" depends on where you stand... UK taxes are at least 10-15% higher than the US....

don't know about you, but I'll take extra 10-15% income that *I* choose to where to spend over getting "free" healthcare/education any day without even thinking twice..

lets say you are a plumber, a pretty ordinary and relatively low-end profession... you would earn about $50k/year... x 15% = $7500 per year extra in taxes your WHOLE life every single year... I don't know how you can keep a straight face and tell anyone that is a good deal...

Paul Markham · 02-16-2016, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

"better" and "cheaper" depends on where you stand... UK taxes are at least 10-15% higher than the US....

don't know about you, but I'll take extra 10-15% income that *I* choose to where to spend over getting "free" healthcare/education any day without even thinking twice..

lets say you are a plumber, a pretty ordinary and relatively low-end profession... you would earn about $50k/year... x 15% = $7500 per year extra in taxes your WHOLE life every single year... I don't know how you can keep a straight face and tell anyone that is a good deal...

No, it's not a good deal. But I was talking only about Healthcare. OK add education to the mix, it still won't take the taxes up to what the UK pays.

With education, you seem to be getting shafted.

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In 2011, the United States spent $11,841 per full-time-equivalent (FTE) student on elementary and secondary education, an amount 35 percent higher than the OECD average of $8,789. At the postsecondary level, U.S. expenditures per FTE student were $26,021, almost twice as high as the OECD average of $13,619.

See How Much The US Spends On Education Compared To The Rest Of The Developed World - Business Insider

U.S. education spending tops global list, study shows - CBS News

Now you can blame that on Government spending. Better would be to see who they spend the money with. I suspect you'll find private enterprise has a thing to do with this.

In the problems are the benefits system and mass migration. This has caused massive problems and I'm for putting it right. Unemployed work in the community and no one gets any benefits until they've lived in the UK for 4 years.

I'm for voting out the assholes who run countries for the benefit of the few and ideology.

crockett · 02-16-2016, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by poncabare

Nothing is truly free, someone always is paying...

Its called investing in the future. Of course it's not free. However we can either invest in the people of this country, to build a better country long term or we can continue to go down our current path with low expectations and the crime rates to show for it..

I'm also pretty sure something like this would lead to.a resurgence in trade schools. Those people who don't want the college education could still get skilled training.

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Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,958	I can't wait for free everything! All I have to do is just stop making money first! This is gonna be GREAT! __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

02-15-2016, 05:22 PM	#63
mikesouth Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: My High Horse Posts: 6,334	The crucial thing here is motivation without it college is a waste of time and money. back in the 80s I taught two classes at a local community college, Intro to UNIX and UNIX Internals. I loved it, I had classes FULL of adults who wanted to learn the material and even pushed my knowledge of the subject to new levels...I taught at night. One of the teachers who taught the same classes in the day invited me to sit in, i did and I can tell you the difference was night and day, his class size was similar but much younger, it was obvious that roughly 1/3 of the class wanted to learn the material but were completely held back by another third that was just there for something to do or because the curriculum required it and and another third that were under educated, ill prepared and had no desire whatsoever to learn the material...It reminded me of high school. Needless to say it illustrated a huge difference, my adults were in my class because they WANTED to be, they wanted to learn it and that made teaching it both fun and rewarding. So to give a college education to someone who wants to learn, I am all for it, but to waste time, money and the quality of the education of the ones who want to learn it on some kid who is simply there because he/she has to be is a big mistake. The right way to do it is to make it free if you make an A r a B in the class, anything else and you pay for it....maybe like a student loan is set up now, you start the class owing the money, make an A or a B and the debt is wiped clean. The idea that just providing a free college education has value is ludicrous that thinking is the bane of the public school system and the reason why we have so many functional illiterates with high school diplomas, free is fine if it actually accomplishes something...I can even make an argument that there is added value, that the money spent comes back to the government and or the community making it a good investment....BUT...If all it does is provide free day care for an extra 4-8 years...my tax dollars can be better spent. __________________ Mike South It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

02-15-2016, 05:24 PM	#65
bronco67 Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 29,032	Spending the money on universal pre-K would be a great investment also. You could be changing the path of a future criminal by making sure he/she is socialized properly and exposed to education before they even reach the public school system. My wife is a teacher and says the worst students who are also the biggest disciplinary problems are the ones who have obviously never opened a book or been shown any structure from birth to Kindergarten. Making sure every child gets the same chance as middle/upper income kids is not a handout...it's a way to ensure the future of our work force and economy. That kid whose Pre-K your taxes paid for might not sneak into your bedroom one night in 15 years to stab you in the face for your Rolex. __________________

02-15-2016, 05:26 PM	#66
oppoten NAME THE JEW Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 4,793	The Iraq war cost us 2 trillion dollars = 28 years of free college education. I'm trying to work out which part of that sentence amuses Israel the most...

02-16-2016, 07:58 AM	#71
pimpmaster9000 Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 26,732	investing money in education and not war would be completely anti-american...without war, the US war lobby would make LESS MONEY hillary and bush would not approve of this no-war nonsense and every patriotic american should fight against this education bullshit! if you are pro-education you literally want american babies to DIE! we must protect the war lobby and keep these education terrorists away! don't they know all the GOOD the US army has done? just look at the thriving economies of vietnam, korea, afghanistan, iraq, iran , syria and look at how the millions of refugees from this area are enriching the EU thank god the US gov did not spend this money on education! phew! that was a close call eh? remember: it is always better for millions of people to die, than any education to happen whatsoever! war=good education=bad __________________ Report a suspicious cracker: Click Here

02-15-2016, 04:33 PM	#59
Atticus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,051	What nobody likes to discuss is not everyone is college material. Whether these people rack up massive student debt or waste tax payer money and attend for free doesn't change that fact. Somewhere along the line we created the narrative that it's better to be a middle manager making $50k a year than a plumber making $75k Instead, how about we put money aside for free tuition at trade schools. There are plenty of blue collar middle class producing great income jobs available but they can't fill them.

02-15-2016, 06:08 PM	#68
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	What's real fucked up is I have to go thru a multi step approval, permit and inspection process to enclose my patio. To enclose a fucking patio. Meanwhile dipshits everywhere can breed at will and I have to take care of their kids housing, medical, food, education. There really needs to be more anti pregnancy marketing. To bad a permit isn't required for children.

02-16-2016, 08:06 AM	#72
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	Serb loser alert! ^^^^^^^^^^^

02-16-2016, 08:13 AM	#73
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,725	sorry. everyone has to suffer as much as me.

02-16-2016, 08:14 AM	#74
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,725	Consider a huge story that vanished almost immediately in early November: Two Princeton economists discovered that deaths are soaring among middle-aged, low-education whites. The rise in mortality from 1999 to 2014 was 22 percent: Up 134 deaths per 100,000 for whites aged 45 to 54 whose education ended in high school. To blame: jumps in suicides and in deaths from drug abuse — that is, from alcoholic liver disease plus overdoses of heroin and prescription opiates. One of the economists, Nobel winner Angus Deaton, notes that the only modern trend that compares is the AIDS epidemic.

02-16-2016, 08:29 AM	#76
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,783	this is why the global economy is heading for collapse. Too many people wanting to suck at the governmental teat with no regard of the damage or cost.

02-16-2016, 09:00 AM	#78
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	^^^^^^ don't you have a grain quota to meet? Get crackin commie before the whole collective is punished.

02-16-2016, 10:09 AM	#90
L-Pink working on my tan Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Florida/Kentucky Posts: 39,151	^^^^^^^ bla bla bla Fucking Serb idiot who ran from his own country. Coward.