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sofaking · 04-05-2016, 09:54 PM

Bitcoins stock will go up if trump is elected.

Yanks_Todd · 04-05-2016, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Yes I did. Do you even understand what I said in my post? NOTHING that Trump is proposing is new. It's all out there already.

You already can NOT send Western Union to other countries without going in person and showing ID. (not sending online) It's part of the Patriot Act (read the top part of the link you sent).
The country that was EXCLUDED (big business lobbyists made sure of that...they need the cheap labor) is Mexico.

All Trump has to do is have that exclusion lifted and it will do exactly what he is proposing to do.

Smarten up man.

The problem with this plan, like all Trump's plans is that it assumes the these countries have no levers or powers. He will say it is going to be this way and it will be. It also seems to ignore consequences or work arounds. I have read his statement and than a few other pundits, right and left who have simply demolished this based on it's simplicity. Simple is good, but the problem is more complex than closing a loophole via full enforcement. Mainly it doesn't really make living in the U.S. less attractive, it makes you living in the U.S. with your family in a now worse Mexico less attractive. If it was me I would than use the cash to bring my family in rather than send it there. No solution in that.

Also think about supply and demand. If there is $25 Billion dollar demand created you can be damn sure someone will figure out a way. And once again this will happen because his plans are never multi-faceted. One fix means there needs to be one work around. They do sound nice though.

Horatio Caine · 04-05-2016, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

link? proof?

Crickets

brassmonkey · 04-06-2016, 12:13 AM

trump the chump

Paul Markham · 04-06-2016, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

You can't walk into a paypal location with cash and send it to someone who can walk into another paypal location and pick the cash up.

Why would legal migrants need to walk into anywhere?

This is only about stopping illegal migrants. That route can be cut off by providing a passport with an entry visa.

I 'm trying to point out how Trump comes up with ideas he hasn't thought through. Not that it needs to be pointed out.

Paul Markham · 04-06-2016, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

He didn't say he was going to "suspend" anything.

He is simply going to INCLUDE Mexico (which is SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDED) in the Patriot Act.

Right now if you try to send money to ANY country (except Mexico) you have to show proper ID. so undocumented Mexicans would no longer be able to send money via wire transfer (as they do now).

Last year...Mexican's sent $25 BILLION via Western Union.

So although Pres. Obama LIED today on the news when he said that the govt. couldn't be checking all the wire transfers...guess what? They ALREADY DO except for Mexico.

I'm not saying I agree with it or disagree with it.

But you guys are either dumb, ignorant, misinformed, or letting the media lie to you and being gullible enough to believe them.

Start educating and informing yourselves and stop being so goddamned east to manipulate by Obama, the media, the DNC, and the RNC.

USE GOOGLE DAMN IT! lol

Cracking Down on Blood Wire Money Could Hamper Mexican Cartels, Ariz. AG Testifies

Remittances - a massive transfer of wealth out of America | colorado immigration law resources reference

Check the facts.

crockett · 04-06-2016, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Cracking Down on ?Blood Wire? Money Could Hamper Mexican Cartels, Ariz. AG Testifies

Remittances - a massive transfer of wealth out of America | colorado immigration law resources reference

Check the facts.

Robbie never checks facts. He thinks he's correct and that's that.

Paul Markham · 04-06-2016, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You think too simply. His idea of a wall solves nothing. Ladders, ropes and shovels will easily defeat it.

Blocking WU is also going to solve nothing. People will.just use another method like paypal or a off shore alternative.

Hell they could just buy pre-paid credit cards and send them via mail or send a check.. There is countless ways around the blocking of wires.

His ideas only sound good if you don't think very hard about it.

Look at adult as a easy example. Programs pay affiliates all over the world and do not require using wires, unless you want them.

Trump is stupid but a "ok" salesmen. I say ok, because he can only sell BS to people that choose not to inform themselves.

The Trump supporters earning a low wage or unemployed have nothing to fear by Trump winning. If he stops the export of jobs, taxes imports, stops migration they're fine. Everyone else is going to find price rises on just about everything they buy.

As many of the Trump supporters here are Anti minimum wage rises. They will be very pissed off.

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Why would legal migrants need to walk into anywhere?
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Because even legal immigrants have mothers, fathers, sister who still live in Mexico or Honduras.

Paul, do you have any idea what immigration processing times like in the US. Take a look

USCIS Visa Bulletin - Family Based Immigrant Visa

Right now they are processing application from 22 JAN 95 for Mexicans. Yes, 1995.

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Robbie never checks facts. He thinks he's correct and that's that.

Who needs facts? Paaaalease.

Paul Markham · 04-06-2016, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

Also think about supply and demand. If there is $25 Billion dollar demand created you can be damn sure someone will figure out a way. And once again this will happen because his plans are never multi-faceted. One fix means there needs to be one work around. They do sound nice though.

$25 billion was a guess. It's mostly drug money. Imagine ordinary workers sending that much and then figure out how much they earn, then how much they contribute to the economy. Only drugs and other crimes would warrant that amount.

TCLGirls · 04-06-2016, 01:26 AM

Robbie, please support your posts with the facts. Thank you.

kane · 04-06-2016, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Because even legal immigrants have mothers, fathers, sister who still live in Mexico or Honduras.

Paul, do you have any idea what immigration processing times like in the US. Take a look

USCIS Visa Bulletin - Family Based Immigrant Visa

Right now they are processing application from 22 JAN 95 for Mexicans. Yes, 1995.

So true. Long ago in the mid 90's I worked for a pretty big tech company. There was a guy that worked there who was from Mexico. He was here legally, but his mother, grandmother and some other relatives still were in Mexico trying to come here legally. He would send them part of his check every payday. He said by doing that he was able to take better financial care of them than if he had stayed in Mexico and got a job there.

He was able to come here relatively easily because he was an engineer and the company sponsored him, but getting the rest of the family here legally was going to be a long, difficult process.

_Richard_ · 04-06-2016, 03:51 AM

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SuckOnThis · 04-06-2016, 06:09 AM

Trumpf certainly got schlonged last night in Wisconsin.

woj · 04-06-2016, 06:34 AM

you guys are ripping on Trump, but at least he is acknowledging there is a problem... other candidates are at best neutral about immigration, or even lean towards being for it...

his ideas need a bit of polishing up, but he certainly has the right idea... if you make it harder to send $$ back home, it will make it less appealing to come here in the first place...

left wing politicians on the other hand are doing the reverse, they are making it more appealing to come here... take for example minimum wage getting increased in California, that makes it more appealing to immigrate to the US...

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

you guys are ripping on Trump, but at least he is acknowledging there is a problem... other candidates are at best neutral about immigration, or even lean towards being for it...

his ideas need a bit of polishing up, but he certainly has the right idea... if you make it harder to send $$ back home, it will make it less appealing to come here in the first place...

left wing politicians on the other hand are doing the reverse, they are making it more appealing to come here... take for example minimum wage getting increased in California, that makes it more appealing to immigrate to the US...

Trump has an idea? As in "building the wall"? LOL

Read some of Rubio's comments about immigration and why we have so many illegals here. Close to 50% of today's illegals had legal papers when they entered the country. But since it takes 15-20 years to process family based applications they all ran out of status and stayed here illegally. No-one addresses issue of legal immigration and its backlogs. The only thing people think of immigration is Home Depot and illegal Mexicans hanging around.

woj · 04-06-2016, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Trump has an idea? As in "building the wall"? LOL

Read some of Rubio's comments about immigration and why we have so many illegals here. Close to 50% of today's illegals had legal papers when they entered the country. But since it takes 15-20 years to process family based applications they all ran out of status and stayed here illegally. No-one addresses issue of legal immigration and its backlogs. The only thing people think of immigration is Home Depot and illegal Mexicans hanging around.

I was commenting on the idea proposed in this thread, making it harder to send $$ to Mexico... his "the wall" idea is a bit less thought out... but still like I said, it's not that his ideas are perfect, but it's more that he acknowledges there is a problem, and intends to at least try do something about it...

legal immigration and semi-illegal (illegal only because of broke immigration process) is a completely different issue, not sure why you are mixing that issue up with true illegal immigration...

So how does Rubio or Hillary feel about a typical illegal immigrant? that is, some Mexican guy hears that in CA you can earn $15/hr (many times more than you can in Mexico), figures "I'll try my luck in the US," gets here illegally, gets a job... sends most of his income back to his family in Mexico...

How does Rubio or Hillary feel about situation like that? do they agree it's a problem? what are they proposing to solve this issue?

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

How does Rubio or Hillary feel about situation like that? do they agree it's a problem? what are they proposing to solve this issue?

How about using google?

Marco Rubio on Immigration

You have to revamp entire immigration system. Not work on one part and leave the other the way it is. I doesn't work that way. Encourage people to come here legally, speed up process, implement skilled worker and workers on demand program efficiency. Don't make them wait 15-20 years for papers to process. This whole "wire transfer" bullshit is as good as saying "lets close all Mexican restaurants so they don't have place to eat Then they will go back because Mexicans miss tacos".

MaDalton · 04-06-2016, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

This whole "wire transfer" bullshit is as good as saying "lets close all Mexican restaurants so they don't have place to eat Then they will go back because Mexicans miss tacos".

we're at a point where i almost used Google to verify whether it's a legit Trump quote

ITraffic · 04-06-2016, 09:44 AM

lol it's like illegal immigrants even get paid min wage anyways. talk about a straw man ...

crockett · 04-06-2016, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

I was commenting on the idea proposed in this thread, making it harder to send $$ to Mexico... his "the wall" idea is a bit less thought out... but still like I said, it's not that his ideas are perfect, but it's more that he acknowledges there is a problem, and intends to at least try do something about it...

legal immigration and semi-illegal (illegal only because of broke immigration process) is a completely different issue, not sure why you are mixing that issue up with true illegal immigration...

So how does Rubio or Hillary feel about a typical illegal immigrant? that is, some Mexican guy hears that in CA you can earn $15/hr (many times more than you can in Mexico), figures "I'll try my luck in the US," gets here illegally, gets a job... sends most of his income back to his family in Mexico...

How does Rubio or Hillary feel about situation like that? do they agree it's a problem? what are they proposing to solve this issue?

Dude you are living in fanasty land if you think even banning all wires to Mexico would do a thing.

All it would do is create a massive blackmarket for the cartels. They would set up companies like epassporte was in some other South American or Caribbean nation and boucne all wires to there then to Mexico.

Trump is a fucking moron as this is basic stuff. He knows this, but he's just feeding g you tools with BS because you don't stop for 5 mins to think about what he says.

All he would do is hand over billions to the cartels via a new blackmarket scheme.

woj · 04-06-2016, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Dude you are living in fanasty land if you think even banning all wires to Mexico would do a thing.

All it would do is create a massive blackmarket for the cartels. They would set up companies like epassporte was in some other South American or Caribbean nation and boucne all wires to there then to Mexico.

Trump is a fucking moron as this is basic stuff. He knows this, but he's just feeding g you tools with BS because you don't stop for 5 mins to think about what he says.

All he would do is hand over billions to the cartels via a new blackmarket scheme.

of course there would be some work arounds, but thinking that all that would need to happen is to "bounce wires through some South American nation" is a fantasy too...

do you grasp the volume of it? it's millions of people in the US sending to millions of people in Mexico... generating 100s of millions of transactions per year... setting up and operating such an operation without getting caught would be pretty damn difficult... certainly beyond the scope of some low lives whose main expertise is drug dealing...

and I think you are mistaken about the impact... imagine Cruz comes out and says "we need to choke off the porn industry, we'll do that by banning credit card transactions on porn sites"... how do you think that would play out? Would porn industry be completely fucked? or do you think some work around like bitcoins would be realistic?

Rochard · 04-06-2016, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Simpleton thinking.

Do you think that the Mexican government would give a rat's ass?

What about all the US wired (or transfers) of Dollars sent out to all foreign countries by individuals? Guatemala, Columbia, India, Philippines and other destinations -- why just Mexico?

Donald Trump would force Mexicans in US to pay for his wall | New York Post

Unless you can produce a valid US Passport, The Certificate of U.S. Naturalization (form N-550 or N-570) or a Green Card you have no immediate proof of being a US citizen or a legal US residency. How many of you could prove your citizenship or legal residency on the spot? People in trailer parks don't have US passports normally -- driver's licenses don't prove shit other that who you are, your age and that you are licensed to drive a car.

Trump either got hit with the stupid stick or thinks surly you are really fucking stupid.

Also, any US Treasury regulation like this would have to apply to every MTA regulated -- except when specific wrongdoing is at issue and the order is in effect a stay.

This morning on the news - I think it was CNN - they were talking about there are specific laws in the United States about sending money to and from Cuba. However, it's kind of pointless - Anyone in the US who wants to send money to Cuba just sends the money to Canada or the UK first, and then on to Cuba.

It might be possible for our government do to this, but it would be an uphill battle to pass such laws. The general public isn't going to support it. In case Trump hasn't noticed, the United States has a large and growing Hispanic population. A lot of people who are in the United States legally will want to send money to Mexico.

Rochard · 04-06-2016, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

What Trump and others rarely talk about is the fact that at least half of the people who are here illegally came here legally in the first place. They came into the country with an entrance visa just like someone coming here on a vacation and they just never left. We are going to have to find out a better way to stop this from happening. A wall will just encourage more people to come here legally and not leave or fly to Canada and sneak across that border.

We have this image that all illegals came into the country by crossing the border illegally on a pack mule. This is not true, and building a fence will not stop this activity. Even if we built a wall, like you said, they will just fly to Canada and then cross that border.

But the reality of this goes much further. People make it out that illegal immigration is the cause of all of our problems, but I don't really agree with that. Illegal immigrants only make up 5% of the labor force of the United States. Also, we seem to think that ilegal immigrants are coming across the border in droves but they really aren't - illegal immigration peaked in 2007 / 2008 and has since fallen.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

I am not saying there isn't a problem, there sure is. Illegal immigrants do take American jobs and suck up resources, but it's not the massive problem some people make it out to be.

Barry-xlovecam · 04-06-2016, 01:17 PM

I think that you all are lost in the forest looking at trees ...

Mexico will just say fuck you and nationalize or freeze US assets in Mexico.

This is just extortion on a grandiose scale. Maybe Trump will carry through with tariffs with China, violate the WTO, and China will just say fuck you we want to redeem the US debt instruments that the BOC holds. Oh Fuck! Now what -- refuse to pay -- remember Argentina tried that -- how did that work out.

Talk about stupid.

crockett · 04-06-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

of course there would be some work arounds, but thinking that all that would need to happen is to "bounce wires through some South American nation" is a fantasy too...

do you grasp the volume of it? it's millions of people in the US sending to millions of people in Mexico... generating 100s of millions of transactions per year... setting up and operating such an operation without getting caught would be pretty damn difficult... certainly beyond the scope of some low lives whose main expertise is drug dealing...

and I think you are mistaken about the impact... imagine Cruz comes out and says "we need to choke off the porn industry, we'll do that by banning credit card transactions on porn sites"... how do you think that would play out? Would porn industry be completely fucked? or do you think some work around like bitcoins would be realistic?

No matter how you try to make it sound like a good idea, it just creates a black market and puts massive amounts of money into the black market. In that area of the world the cartels would dominant that market.

It's the same fucking dumbass idea as with Republicans trying to ban abortions. It doesn't stop them, it just pushes people into back alleys and puts people's lives in danger.

Republicans are always trying to make mountains out of mole hills..

Yanks_Todd · 04-06-2016, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

$25 billion was a guess. It's mostly drug money. Imagine ordinary workers sending that much and then figure out how much they earn, then how much they contribute to the economy. Only drugs and other crimes would warrant that amount.

No, it is not mostly drug money. I have worked in restaurants in the southwest U.S. There is more bar-back money and busser money in the mix than drug money.

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

of course there would be some work arounds, but thinking that all that would need to happen is to "bounce wires through some South American nation" is a fantasy too...

do you grasp the volume of it? it's millions of people in the US sending to millions of people in Mexico... generating 100s of millions of transactions per year... setting up and operating such an operation without getting caught would be pretty damn difficult... certainly beyond the scope of some low lives whose main expertise is drug dealing...

and I think you are mistaken about the impact... imagine Cruz comes out and says "we need to choke off the porn industry, we'll do that by banning credit card transactions on porn sites"... how do you think that would play out? Would porn industry be completely fucked? or do you think some work around like bitcoins would be realistic?

10 years ago WU charged arm and leg for wire transfers so every immigrant community had unlicensed money transfer businesses. They used to bust them all the time in Miami. Rodrigo comes to Pepe and hands him $1000, who calls his dad in Durango. Rodrigo's mom comes to Pepe dad's house and picks up the money. Once a month Pepe sends huge wire to daddy to pay out customers next month. And there are hundreds of Pepes out there.

ITraffic · 04-06-2016, 02:02 PM

there are probably hundreds of legal remittance options available right now. wu is prob just the easiest and cheapest.

this is just policy made by the drunk loudmouth idiot at the end of the bar. it is nothing serious.

woj · 04-06-2016, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

10 years ago WU charged arm and leg for wire transfers so every immigrant community had unlicensed money transfer businesses. They used to bust them all the time in Miami. Rodrigo comes to Pepe and hands him $1000, who calls his dad in Durango. Rodrigo's mom comes to Pepe dad's house and picks up the money. Once a month Pepe sends huge wire to daddy to pay out customers next month. And there are hundreds of Pepes out there.

they were hardly doing anything illegal, they were getting pinched for running unlicensed money transfer service, which resulted in $500 fine and nothing else...

up the ante to felony money laundering, lock some idiots up for 5 years and that biz will suddenly be a bit less appealing...

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

they were hardly doing anything illegal, they were getting pinched for running unlicensed money transfer service, which resulted in $500 fine and nothing else...

up the ante to felony money laundering, lock some idiots up for 5 years and that biz will suddenly be a bit less appealing...

Are you permanently banned on Google or this is another nick that Robbie uses?

There are thousands of so called "hawalas" in here. Some owners got sentenced as much as 15 years and people still do it because its about money. Big money!
Did stiff sentences stop illegal drug distributions? I didn't think so. Lets ask our expert - brassmonkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

Here are few that made the news.

Jagdeep Singh Sidhu pleads guilty to illegal money transfers overseas

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/ny...shop.html?_r=0

Bariek Sentenced for Operating a MSB without a Virginia License | MTRA - Money Transmitter Regulators Association

https://www.fincen.gov/law_enforcement/ss/html/056.html

https://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-rel...igration-fraud

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic

there are probably hundreds of legal remittance options available right now. wu is prob just the easiest and cheapest.

this is just policy made by the drunk loudmouth idiot at the end of the bar. it is nothing serious.

It cost $9.00 to wire up to $200 to Mexico at Publix WU location. Don't bother going to customer service line on Friday.
So instead of weekly transfers Fernando is going to do it once a month from local Taco shop and pay its owner $50.00. Now you can wipe your ass with Trump's grandeur plan. Might as well close all taco shops for real.

SuckOnThis · 04-06-2016, 03:39 PM

No way in hell Trump will be President, waste of time talking about all this.

woj · 04-06-2016, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Are you permanently banned on Google or this is another nick that Robbie uses?

There are thousands of so called "hawalas" in here. Some owners got sentenced as much as 15 years and people still do it because its about money. Big money!
Did stiff sentences stop illegal drug distributions? I didn't think so. Lets ask our expert - brassmonkey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

Here are few that made the news.

Jagdeep Singh Sidhu pleads guilty to illegal money transfers overseas

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/04/ny...shop.html?_r=0

Bariek Sentenced for Operating a MSB without a Virginia License | MTRA - Money Transmitter Regulators Association

https://www.fincen.gov/law_enforcement/ss/html/056.html

https://www.fbi.gov/boston/press-rel...igration-fraud

did you even check out those links?

"BOSTON?AFTAB ALI, a/k/a Aftab Ali Khan, 29, formerly of Watertown, Massachusetts, pled guilty and was sentenced today on charges of unlicensed money transmitting and immigration document fraud."

"The case against the man, Abad Elfgeeh, 51, stemmed from a broad terrorism investigation that began in December 2001 and resulted in the conviction last year of a prominent Yemeni cleric on charges that he had conspired to aid Hamas and Al Qaeda."

so, no surprise they went down.... operating unregulated money transfer in most cases is pretty much just a warning and $500 fine... there are some cases here and there, where government wanted to make an example out of them and/or the criminal did something else illegal like "immigration document fraud"... being from Middle East and sending $$ to there doesn't help either...

woj · 04-06-2016, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

It cost $9.00 to wire up to $200 to Mexico at Publix WU location. Don't bother going to customer service line on Friday.
So instead of weekly transfers Fernando is going to do it once a month from local Taco shop and pay its owner $50.00. Now you can wipe your ass with Trump's grandeur plan. Might as well close all taco shops for real.

so he lets say collects 4x$200=$800/month from lets say only 30 clients = $24k/month

How is that money going to arrive in Mexico? He will pack it up in his car and drive there? Get involved with some cartel that will make it happen for him? Deposit the $24k cash into his account, then wire the $$ to Mexico? yea, cause transaction like that is not going to stick out like a sore thumb...

logistics of running a business like that now a days are not as simple as you make it sound... it's possible, but with a paper trail at every step, and 5+ year sentence when you get caught, he might as well be dealing coke out of that Taco joint, it would be less risky that way...

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

did you even check out those links?

"BOSTON?AFTAB ALI, a/k/a Aftab Ali Khan, 29, formerly of Watertown, Massachusetts, pled guilty and was sentenced today on charges of unlicensed money transmitting and immigration document fraud."

"The case against the man, Abad Elfgeeh, 51, stemmed from a broad terrorism investigation that began in December 2001 and resulted in the conviction last year of a prominent Yemeni cleric on charges that he had conspired to aid Hamas and Al Qaeda."

so, no surprise they went down.... operating unregulated money transfer in most cases is pretty much just a warning and $500 fine... there are some cases here and there, where government wanted to make an example out of them and/or the criminal did something else illegal like "immigration document fraud"... being from Middle East and sending $$ to there doesn't help either...

Fuck this, I'm done with you. His immigration document fraud was his fake marriage.

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A complaint unsealed on November 16, 2010, alleged that ALI, a Pakistani citizen, entered the country in August 2009 to marry his then-fiancé and began working at a Brookline gas station despite lacking a work permit. Approximately three months later, after marrying a different woman, ALI defrauded the government by filing documents to adjust his immigration status in which he knowingly omitted his unauthorized employment.

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?hawala? transaction in which ALI?s family received an equivalent amount of money in Pakistan. ALI conducted money transmission business transactions (such as this one) without complying with federal registration requirements.

Does that answer your question how they do it or wiki article wasn't clear enough for you?

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

so he lets say collects 4x$200=$800/month from lets say only 30 clients = $24k/month

How is that money going to arrive in Mexico? He will pack it up in his car and drive there? Get involved with some cartel that will make it happen for him? Deposit the $24k cash into his account, then wire the $$ to Mexico? yea, cause transaction like that is not going to stick out like a sore thumb...

logistics of running a business like that now a days are not as simple as you make it sound... it's possible, but with a paper trail at every step, and 5+ year sentence when you get caught, he might as well be dealing coke out of that Taco joint, it would be less risky that way...

How about 22 million and 15 years in jail. For fuck sake, read the fucking articles.

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A jury convicted Mr. Elfgeeh of running an illegal money-transmitting business from his Brooklyn storefront, a convenience store called Carnival French Ice Cream, at 473 Fifth Avenue in Park Slope, sending $21.9 million to a range of countries between 1996 and 2003. Mr. Elfgeeh ran a hawala, an informal service that many immigrants in Brooklyn use to move money around the globe outside traditional financial channels.

By sending Mr. Elfgeeh to prison for 15 years and eight months, and fining him $1.25 million, Judge Johnson gave him the lowest recommended prison term under federal sentencing guidelines. The maximum is 19 years and seven months.

Robbie · 04-06-2016, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

No, it is not mostly drug money. I have worked in restaurants in the southwest U.S. There is more bar-back money and busser money in the mix than drug money.

That's the truth.

My family owned citrus groves in Florida and hired thousands of Mexican workers in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's.

I can remember being at my grandfather's office in the 1970's and seeing checks go out to Mexican fruit pickers for well over a thousand dollars a week (in 1975 $1,000 would be worth $4,557.32 in 2016).

And he and my dad would tell me that they would send all of that money back home to Mexico. They only came to Florida during orange picking season.

I was in awe of it. And in 1977 I begged to go out in the groves and pick oranges. I thought I was gonna be a rich 15 year old. It was $3 a tub to pick. I almost died! LOL!
I think I made $9 in 2 days before I quit.

Mexican workers are the backbone of the agricultural industry in the U.S. and are some of the hardest working people in the world.

Horatio Caine · 04-06-2016, 06:25 PM

And its not just agricultural. I drove my kids to summer camp in Ozarks few years ago and we stopped to eat at one really small town in Missouri. All we could find is Latin food, to be exact El Salvadorian. I was like WTF? Turns out they had one of the Pilgrims Pride processing factories in town. All workers were Mexican or Salvadorian. The town itself had city hall, police, judge and utilities office in one trailer park size building. You think brassmonkey or bronko67 will go work there? Robbie? I don't think so.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

you guys are ripping on Trump, but at least he is acknowledging there is a problem... other candidates are at best neutral about immigration, or even lean towards being for it...

his ideas need a bit of polishing up, but he certainly has the right idea... if you make it harder to send $$ back home, it will make it less appealing to come here in the first place...

left wing politicians on the other hand are doing the reverse, they are making it more appealing to come here... take for example minimum wage getting increased in California, that makes it more appealing to immigrate to the US...

Why are so many politicians weak on migration? Look to who benefits and pays politicians for the answer.

His ideas do need polishing up. They still remain wrong. Stopping illegal migration by building an expensive wall and then landing the taxpayers with the annual cost of maintaining it is stupid, no matter how much polish is used. Removing the benefits of overstaying or coming illegally works. Cost less could even be profitable and easier to police.

People hiring illegal migrants aren't bothered with things like minimum wage.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kane

So true. Long ago in the mid 90's I worked for a pretty big tech company. There was a guy that worked there who was from Mexico. He was here legally, but his mother, grandmother and some other relatives still were in Mexico trying to come here legally. He would send them part of his check every payday. He said by doing that he was able to take better financial care of them than if he had stayed in Mexico and got a job there.

He was able to come here relatively easily because he was an engineer and the company sponsored him, but getting the rest of the family here legally was going to be a long, difficult process.

If he chooses to work in another country to improve his families life. Why should they be automatically included to join him?

If he was ability to support them 100% then a good case can be made.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Trump has an idea? As in "building the wall"? LOL

Read some of Rubio's comments about immigration and why we have so many illegals here. Close to 50% of today's illegals had legal papers when they entered the country. But since it takes 15-20 years to process family based applications they all ran out of status and stayed here illegally. No-one addresses issue of legal immigration and its backlogs. The only thing people think of immigration is Home Depot and illegal Mexicans hanging around.

Do you expect Trump supporters to research beyond the soundbite? When Trump hopes they don't and his supporters trash the media for doing so.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

I was commenting on the idea proposed in this thread, making it harder to send $$ to Mexico... his "the wall" idea is a bit less thought out... but still like I said, it's not that his ideas are perfect, but it's more that he acknowledges there is a problem, and intends to at least try do something about it...

legal immigration and semi-illegal (illegal only because of broke immigration process) is a completely different issue, not sure why you are mixing that issue up with true illegal immigration...

His Wall idea is dumb. He has to know that building a Hotel is a small part of the cost. the big part that never stops is the staff and maintenance. Assuming Mexico says no to paying for it, are you willing to pay more in taxes and prices in the shops. To build, staff and maintain the Wall?

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So how does Rubio or Hillary feel about a typical illegal immigrant? that is, some Mexican guy hears that in CA you can earn $15/hr (many times more than you can in Mexico), figures "I'll try my luck in the US," gets here illegally, gets a job... sends most of his income back to his family in Mexico...

How does Rubio or Hillary feel about situation like that? do they agree it's a problem? what are they proposing to solve this issue?

Illigal migrant employers aren't bothered with minimum wage laws. They hire illegals to pay less than the minimum wage.

Agree about what are the others doing about it. What have the other politicians, all of them, done about it for the last 40 years and why?

If Trump wanted to come out with a sound policy, he would be looking to fine employers more. He ignored that idea.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by woj

of course there would be some work arounds

You keep saying this.

What about his policy to spend billions more of taxpayers money on building the Armed Forces? Does that need some work around?

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We have this image that all illegals came into the country by crossing the border illegally on a pack mule. This is not true, and building a fence will not stop this activity. Even if we built a wall, like you said, they will just fly to Canada and then cross that border.

But the reality of this goes much further. People make it out that illegal immigration is the cause of all of our problems, but I don't really agree with that. Illegal immigrants only make up 5% of the labor force of the United States. Also, we seem to think that ilegal immigrants are coming across the border in droves but they really aren't - illegal immigration peaked in 2007 / 2008 and has since fallen.

5 facts about illegal immigration in the U.S. | Pew Research Center

I am not saying there isn't a problem, there sure is. Illegal immigrants do take American jobs and suck up resources, but it's not the massive problem some people make it out to be.

It's all immigration that isn't controlled on a strict points basis.

Total Hispanic Population in California

14,358,000

Hispanics as Percent of State Population

38%

Hispanics as Percent of U.S. Hispanic Population

27.7%

Native-Born Hispanics (Percent of Hispanics)

63%

How many of them are in the top 20%?

Top 20% of the population have a habit of producing offspring who will be in the top 20%. The problem is immigration of people to do low skilled and paid jobs. Staying and having children who are now finding the low skilled jobs are gone or pay very low wages and relying on the rest to subsidise them.

The economic and industrial model we're using now changed between the 70s and 80s. Automation and jobs going to the Third World dictates we need to regulate immigration to a strict needs basis. The Country receiving the migrants.

The only people who benefit are the landlords and employers.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I think that you all are lost in the forest looking at trees ...

Mexico will just say fuck you and nationalize or freeze US assets in Mexico.

This is just extortion on a grandiose scale. Maybe Trump will carry through with tariffs with China, violate the WTO, and China will just say fuck you we want to redeem the US debt instruments that the BOC holds. Oh Fuck! Now what -- refuse to pay -- remember Argentina tried that -- how did that work out.

Talk about stupid.

Or China and other countries and banks stop buying US bonds.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

No, it is not mostly drug money. I have worked in restaurants in the southwest U.S. There is more bar-back money and busser money in the mix than drug money.

Cracking Down on ?Blood Wire? Money Could Hamper Mexican Cartels, Ariz. AG Testifies do the research more than your working in a bar.

Calculate how much illegal Mexicans migrants would have to earn in none drug or crime jobs to have $25 billion to send home.

Paul Markham · 04-07-2016, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

That's the truth.

My family owned citrus groves in Florida and hired thousands of Mexican workers in the 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, and 1990's.

I can remember being at my grandfather's office in the 1970's and seeing checks go out to Mexican fruit pickers for well over a thousand dollars a week (in 1975 $1,000 would be worth $4,557.32 in 2016).

And he and my dad would tell me that they would send all of that money back home to Mexico. They only came to Florida during orange picking season.

I was in awe of it. And in 1977 I begged to go out in the groves and pick oranges. I thought I was gonna be a rich 15 year old. It was $3 a tub to pick. I almost died! LOL!
I think I made $9 in 2 days before I quit.

Mexican workers are the backbone of the agricultural industry in the U.S. and are some of the hardest working people in the world.

So at $3 a tub, that's 333 tubs in a month. 11 a day working 30. Just for picking oranges. Them is god damn expensive oranges.

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In 1979, the United Farm Workers negotiated a contract with Sun World, a large citrus and grape grower. The contract?s bottom wage rate was $5.25 per hour. At the time, the minimum wage was $2.90. If the same ratio existed today, with a state minimum of $9.00, farm workers would be earning the equivalent of $16.30 per hour. At the end of the 70s workers under union contracts in lettuce and wine grapes were earning even more.

Today farm workers don?t make anywhere near $16.00 an hour.

Oranges 7 cents per pound California 1970 or the tubs were huge.

Horatio Caine · 04-07-2016, 05:18 AM

You go girl !!!!

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sofaking Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21	Bitcoins stock will go up if trump is elected.

04-06-2016, 01:26 AM	#62
TCLGirls Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: California Posts: 3,068	Robbie, please support your posts with the facts. Thank you.

04-06-2016, 06:09 AM	#65
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	Trumpf certainly got schlonged last night in Wisconsin.

04-06-2016, 09:44 AM	#71
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,725	lol it's like illegal immigrants even get paid min wage anyways. talk about a straw man ...

04-06-2016, 01:17 PM	#76
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	I think that you all are lost in the forest looking at trees ... Mexico will just say fuck you and nationalize or freeze US assets in Mexico. This is just extortion on a grandiose scale. Maybe Trump will carry through with tariffs with China, violate the WTO, and China will just say fuck you we want to redeem the US debt instruments that the BOC holds. Oh Fuck! Now what -- refuse to pay -- remember Argentina tried that -- how did that work out. Talk about stupid.

04-06-2016, 02:02 PM	#80
ITraffic Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,725	there are probably hundreds of legal remittance options available right now. wu is prob just the easiest and cheapest. this is just policy made by the drunk loudmouth idiot at the end of the bar. it is nothing serious.

04-06-2016, 03:39 PM	#84
SuckOnThis So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In my head Posts: 6,844	No way in hell Trump will be President, waste of time talking about all this.

04-06-2016, 06:25 PM	#90
Horatio Caine full-time aspiring rapper Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Compton, CA Posts: 5,746	And its not just agricultural. I drove my kids to summer camp in Ozarks few years ago and we stopped to eat at one really small town in Missouri. All we could find is Latin food, to be exact El Salvadorian. I was like WTF? Turns out they had one of the Pilgrims Pride processing factories in town. All workers were Mexican or Salvadorian. The town itself had city hall, police, judge and utilities office in one trailer park size building. You think brassmonkey or bronko67 will go work there? Robbie? I don't think so.

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Horatio Caine full-time aspiring rapper Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Compton, CA Posts: 5,746	You go girl !!!!