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Selling Hamburgers in a world that gives them away for free.
BURGERS SELL. Always has and always will. A huge problem would be if they were given away in such quantity there's no real point in buying. Paying for a burger is pointless if they're all so similar and do the job a free one does. So sell the sauce, not the burger. A Rolls Royce gets you to your destination just as fast as a second-hand Ford Focus, sell the comfort and prestige. In a market where the need to buy was rarely strong, and lately a hassle. We're trying to sell porn which others give away for free. Praying, HD, 3D, and now VR will make a difference. Once Pornhub give it away it won't. Assuming VR is enough to people to grab a credit card. I suspect it won't, because it misses the point that porn relies on. Empathy. Watch this and then tell me you don't want to see those girls give a blowjob. Now who doesn't want to see this girl have anal sex? This is easy to do if you have someone with the skills the man in the Simple Sexy Stupid video, which isn't hard. Or a pornstar who can talk to the camera. All it takes is a little planning. It's possible for all niches with a little adjustment. Plan what direction you want to take, the street one has to include girls who are not going to have sex, the girls who will fuck have to be a little more exposed in the interview. This can be easy, by a girl saying "My BF says I'm awful at giving blowjobs" and taking it from there. The most important part is not to leave it there and jump into a sex scene. Keep adding more sauce. When the scene is finished, another chance is presented to make more sauce for affiliates to spread the word. Her reaction after the scene is important. These clips are to make people empathise with the model, they want to see her doing the action. Not the action by a stranger. Most content producers will tell you they like seeing girls they know and like have sex, they know her and empathise with her. Now all you have to do is use the idea to fit your model of business. |
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The burger analogy would work better if it was possible to download and make a physical copy available for eating, at virtually nil cost. The world doesn't quite work like that (yet)
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There is a simple reason this will work. I will wait for those who understand marketing, porn and the present porn environment to get it. |
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The point isn't to make money off the burger, it's to profit from selling the coke and fries with the burger.
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But you have to pay for a steak dinner
![]() Internet demographics have changed -- there are masses of new users, many on mobile devices, that cannot afford to buy -- they are just a traffic commodity now. The like free hamburgers because they 'cunt a4ord' to buy a steak. Final analysis: Build a "steakhouse" -- move on and quit bitchin' List for thought -- Sub developed country median income: Code:
World[6][7] 1 Brazil 0.99852922368589 CostaRica 0.99002429978258 Iraq 0.98951272541246 Palau 0.97084026090293 DominicanRepublic 0.95817879524236 Maldives 0.95427804067016 Libya 0.93682056528968 Algeria 0.92748433303491 China 0.90209745491751 Macedonia 0.89583066888349 Colombia 0.88547128788848 Serbia 0.87421665174575 SouthAfrica 0.8418595728354 Grenada 0.83949354137358 Peru 0.77983118045786 Mongolia 0.77676173423712 Jordan 0.77522701112674 Egypt 0.75776953574626 SaintLucia 0.75067144136079 Tunisia 0.73078398772221 Namibia 0.7295050517969 Albania 0.7226627445965 Ecuador 0.72029671313467 Indonesia 0.71147205525003 SaintVincentandtheGrenadines 0.7006010998849 Dominica 0.68985803811229 SriLanka 0.67566184934135 BosniaandHerzegovina 0.6709297864177 Georgia 0.61580764803683 Kosovo[8][9] 0.61005243637294 Fiji 0.57833482542525 Jamaica 0.56010998848958 Paraguay 0.55684870188004 Armenia 0.54150147077631 Last reported quarter growth rates -- world GDP Code:
Mongolia 7.4 Vietnam 7.01 Venezuela 6.8 Bangladesh 6.51 Namibia 6 Senegal 5.4 Angola 4.9 Botswana 4.9 United Arab Emirates 4.6 Cape Verde 4.5 Morocco 4.5 Pakistan 4.24 Algeria 4 Macedonia 3.9 Egypt 3.8 Saudi Arabia 3.6 Dominican Republic 3.58 Ireland 2.7 Sri Lanka 2.5 Rwanda 2.35 Uganda 2.1 Peru 1.9 Mozambique 1.8 India 1.7 Romania 1.6 Serbia 1.6 El Salvador 1.55 Cameroon 1.5 Tanzania 1.5 Kenya 1.4 Bolivia 1.3 Chile 1.3 Ghana 1.3 Kazakhstan 1.26 Australia 1.1 China 1.1 Luxembourg 1.1 Malta 1.1 Philippines 1.1 Malaysia 1 Norway 1 Cyprus 0.9 New Zealand 0.9 Thailand 0.9 Lithuania 0.8 Mexico 0.8 Paraguay 0.8 Spain 0.8 Turkey 0.8 United States 0.8 Taiwan 0.78 Albania 0.73 Bulgaria 0.7 Costa Rica 0.7 Germany 0.7 Slovakia 0.7 Canada 0.6 Croatia 0.6 Euro Area 0.6 Finland 0.6 France 0.6 Argentina 0.5 Austria 0.5 Denmark 0.5 European Union 0.5 Japan 0.5 Netherlands 0.5 Slovenia 0.5 South Korea 0.5 Sweden 0.5 Czech Republic 0.4 Tunisia 0.4 United Kingdom 0.4 Bosnia and Herzegovina 0.3 Italy 0.3 Belgium 0.2 Colombia 0.2 Israel 0.2 Portugal 0.2 Singapore 0.2 Bahrain 0.1 Ecuador 0.1 Jamaica 0.1 Latvia 0.1 Switzerland 0.1 Uruguay 0.1 Estonia 0 Mauritius 0 Moldova -0.1 Poland -0.1 Belize -0.25 Brazil -0.3 Indonesia -0.34 Hong Kong -0.4 Greece -0.5 Iceland -0.5 Qatar -0.5 Russia -0.57 Trinidad And Tobago -0.6 Ukraine -0.7 Hungary -0.8 South Africa -1.2 Nigeria -13.7 ![]() |
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There's a point in buying if they're really good hamburgers. Problem is, most hamburgers are regular ol' hamburgers.
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If the producers of the burgers were selling the fries and cokes. It would be fine. The problem is they're producing the same burger they were 30 years ago but in HD. While Tubes give it away for free.
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First person to top that burger with cheese is in the cheese.
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![]() ![]() A man who understands marketing. Produce a product which is better than the rest, if only in the one element we still have left. We get to know the models. We can't do it any other way than personality and empathy with the models. Film, Video, SD, HD, 3D, VR can all be adopted to shoot the same scene. Add this and the Tubes and Pirates aren't interested. That's the place for the plain run of the mill porn consumers. These videos won't get the views. This is for tours and blogs. Where more than the norm will click the link to the "steakhouse". Than search endless burger houses for the scene. Agreed this won't convert the poor or the freeloaders. Who we are now feeding with an endless supply of free porn. Or we carry on doing that expecting a different outcome. |
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Sounds like what you are saying is tubes are doing it right. The free commodity is the porn and the juicy upsells for the profit are the ads
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Problem is sex hasn't changed in millions of years. Hard to come up with a new way this far on.
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k, wait, so where are these free burgers at?
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Awwwesome. :D
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Think of it in this way. Would you like to see the girl who lives across the road fuck, or the one that serves you at the coffee shop? That's impossible unless they turn to porn, this is a halfway in that you get to feel like you know the girl. |
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Certainly not giving people more free porn of girls the consumer doesn't give a fuck about. Tubes won't be interested in this product, they don't want to upsell to pornsites, otherwise, they wouldn't insist on a cumshot or have 30-minute scenes. They're in the business of getting free porn to sell the traffic to people who don't produce free porn. This is free bait to arouse the interest of those who do want to see someone they can relate to fucking. And it has to be more than the usual intro on a Fake Taxi, Casting, Bus fuck scene. Those are old hat. We were doing it in 1980. |
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you're like an overpriced motivational speaker making silly analogies that no one gets, like business is like going to war, telling others how it should be done. if you're so clear on it, then go do it. |
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Well, sell them some steaks, then..
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initially the seller wants a combo to be sold, not just a burger.
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American's spend over $10 Billion per year on bottled water
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Congrats on your 1000th thread about this Paul and you really have no clue when you try to use this as an example. You do not get it. There is no one way to do anything. This doesn't even make sense and using this to try and get a point across.... I can't believe I am trying to explain something to you LOL. Fuck you got me. Carry on with your crazy shit
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If everyone starts charging for their burgers, then people will look for other things besides just burgers to eat.. Then what?
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Those of us still in business shooting and publishing our own stuff, have been doing it the way you describe for years ( 17 years for me ), and know where you're headed with your ideas ;) So please ssshhhhh about content promo & most production stuff |
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Everyone always "paints wisdom" in these threads but refuses to accept they are chasing money just like every other 7 billion person out there. What makes YOU, the gfy viewers so special? Honest question.
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Watching a girl you know being fucked is more exciting than watching a total stranger get fucked. We have given away so much of the total stranger porn. All that's left to sell is the girl we know. So the more we work at revealing who the gilr is, the more we know her and the more we want to see only, that's the important word so don't forget it, fucking. Yes Tubes are still a problem, just less of a problem. |
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Yes. That industry has done a great marketing job. They have you convinced their water from a bottle is better than the water from your tap.
The sensible install a water filter in their home and fill up bottles. Like we did. |
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1990s, give away a free pic on Newsgroups. 2000s, give away free pics on TGPs, then video clips, then bigger pictures and videos, then give away full scenes. 2100, give away HD, 3d, and pray VR won't be given away so customers come back. The record's not broken, it just spins faster. |
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I get it that yu might not understand it, or unable to do it. But apart from that why is this so wrong? Aren't you launching some teen sites soon? |
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Many here use the term marketing as if they have a clue what it means. Yes standing by the road with a bag of oranges and hoping someone passing by wants to buy. Is marketing. The busier the road, the better the sales. Giving everyone who deliberately drives to you all the oranges they need, in the hope one will buy some. Isn't marketing. It's stupidity. In 16 years all we have done is to increase the amount of free porn we gave away. Building product with attributes everyone else can't duplicate, then selling those attributes is real marketing. Which is why you choose GFY to post on and not beerandbollocks. If it still exists. |
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I don't get what you are trying to say.
That porn is for free so you can not sell it, but videos like these are not for free so you can sell them? Or that you can sell porn even if it is available for free, but you need to make it more like those videos? But then - those same videos will be available for free anyway. Not getting your idea here. |
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markham, you're not even aware of the trite expression you're screwing up, it's "sell the sizzle, not the steak", it's not "sell the sauce, not the burger". markham, you've been banned repeatedly for being a troll here, not me. markham, you've been perma-banned here for being a troll, not me. markham, if what you know is so special and a gift, then why are you not living it, instead living in a hut in a village screwing up self-help slogans trying to tell everyone else how to do it. |
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heads up: you're a stalking faggot. of course i don't give psycho mental freak stalking faggots my info.
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Problem is that porn used to be a rare commodity and suddenly everyone can produce it with their smartphones. There is no reason to pay for it...ESPECIALLY...commercially produced crap that is clearly made with disinterested whores who do a bad job "acting" and have really bad fake tits.
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![]() Netflix has heaps of content and exclusive content. They charge like $10 a month and you guys want $20+ a month for your disinterested whores. Someone on gfy explained exactly what to do to have a successful site in the tube era. It had nothing to do with hamburgers or any other analogy. Sorry paul. I know you're the oldest but that doesn't automatically make you the wisest. ![]() Oh, and PS. I ain't gay. Coup comes over and fucks my wife, not me! ![]() But he still leaves without saying goodbye. ![]() |
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