Selling Hamburgers in a world that gives them away for free.

[Paul Markham]

BURGERS SELL.

Always has and always will. A huge problem would be if they were given away in such quantity there's no real point in buying. Paying for a burger is pointless if they're all so similar and do the job a free one does. So sell the sauce, not the burger.

A Rolls Royce gets you to your destination just as fast as a second-hand Ford Focus, sell the comfort and prestige.

In a market where the need to buy was rarely strong, and lately a hassle. We're trying to sell porn which others give away for free. Praying, HD, 3D, and now VR will make a difference. Once Pornhub give it away it won't. Assuming VR is enough to people to grab a credit card. I suspect it won't, because it misses the point that porn relies on. Empathy.

Watch this and then tell me you don't want to see those girls give a blowjob.



Now who doesn't want to see this girl have anal sex?



This is easy to do if you have someone with the skills the man in the Simple Sexy Stupid video, which isn't hard. Or a pornstar who can talk to the camera. All it takes is a little planning. It's possible for all niches with a little adjustment.

Plan what direction you want to take, the street one has to include girls who are not going to have sex, the girls who will fuck have to be a little more exposed in the interview. This can be easy, by a girl saying "My BF says I'm awful at giving blowjobs" and taking it from there. The most important part is not to leave it there and jump into a sex scene. Keep adding more sauce.

When the scene is finished, another chance is presented to make more sauce for affiliates to spread the word. Her reaction after the scene is important.

These clips are to make people empathise with the model, they want to see her doing the action. Not the action by a stranger. Most content producers will tell you they like seeing girls they know and like have sex, they know her and empathise with her.

Now all you have to do is use the idea to fit your model of business.

[rowan]

The burger analogy would work better if it was possible to download and make a physical copy available for eating, at virtually nil cost. The world doesn't quite work like that (yet)

[Roald]

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by rowan

The burger analogy would work better if it was possible to download and make a physical copy available for eating, at virtually nil cost. The world doesn't quite work like that (yet)

As no one here sells burgers. You have to use the analogy to fit your circumstances.

There is a simple reason this will work. I will wait for those who understand marketing, porn and the present porn environment to get it.

[GFED]

The point isn't to make money off the burger, it's to profit from selling the coke and fries with the burger.

[Barry-xlovecam]

But you have to pay for a steak dinner

Internet demographics have changed -- there are masses of new users, many on mobile devices, that cannot afford to buy -- they are just a traffic commodity now. The like free hamburgers because they 'cunt a4ord' to buy a steak.

Final analysis: Build a "steakhouse" -- move on and quit bitchin'

List for thought -- Sub developed country median income:

World[6][7]	1
Brazil	0.99852922368589
CostaRica	0.99002429978258
Iraq	0.98951272541246
Palau	0.97084026090293
DominicanRepublic	0.95817879524236
Maldives	0.95427804067016
Libya	0.93682056528968
Algeria	0.92748433303491
China	0.90209745491751
Macedonia	0.89583066888349
Colombia	0.88547128788848
Serbia	0.87421665174575
SouthAfrica	0.8418595728354
Grenada	0.83949354137358
Peru	0.77983118045786
Mongolia	0.77676173423712
Jordan	0.77522701112674
Egypt	0.75776953574626
SaintLucia	0.75067144136079
Tunisia	0.73078398772221
Namibia	0.7295050517969
Albania	0.7226627445965
Ecuador	0.72029671313467
Indonesia	0.71147205525003
SaintVincentandtheGrenadines	0.7006010998849
Dominica	0.68985803811229
SriLanka	0.67566184934135
BosniaandHerzegovina	0.6709297864177
Georgia	0.61580764803683
Kosovo[8][9]	0.61005243637294
Fiji	0.57833482542525
Jamaica	0.56010998848958
Paraguay	0.55684870188004
Armenia	0.54150147077631

Maybe they can afford a loaf of bread and a internet connected spartphone

Last reported quarter growth rates -- world GDP

Mongolia	7.4
Vietnam	7.01
Venezuela	6.8
Bangladesh	6.51
Namibia	6
Senegal	5.4
Angola	4.9
Botswana	4.9
United Arab Emirates	4.6
Cape Verde	4.5
Morocco	4.5
Pakistan	4.24
Algeria	4
Macedonia	3.9
Egypt	3.8
Saudi Arabia	3.6
Dominican Republic	3.58
Ireland	2.7
Sri Lanka	2.5
Rwanda	2.35
Uganda	2.1
Peru	1.9
Mozambique	1.8
India	1.7
Romania	1.6
Serbia	1.6
El Salvador	1.55
Cameroon	1.5
Tanzania	1.5
Kenya	1.4
Bolivia	1.3
Chile	1.3
Ghana	1.3
Kazakhstan	1.26
Australia	1.1
China	1.1
Luxembourg	1.1
Malta	1.1
Philippines	1.1
Malaysia	1
Norway	1
Cyprus	0.9
New Zealand	0.9
Thailand	0.9
Lithuania	0.8
Mexico	0.8
Paraguay	0.8
Spain	0.8
Turkey	0.8
United States	0.8
Taiwan	0.78
Albania	0.73
Bulgaria	0.7
Costa Rica	0.7
Germany	0.7
Slovakia	0.7
Canada	0.6
Croatia	0.6
Euro Area	0.6
Finland	0.6
France	0.6
Argentina	0.5
Austria	0.5
Denmark	0.5
European Union	0.5
Japan	0.5
Netherlands	0.5
Slovenia	0.5
South Korea	0.5
Sweden	0.5
Czech Republic	0.4
Tunisia	0.4
United Kingdom	0.4
Bosnia and Herzegovina	0.3
Italy	0.3
Belgium	0.2
Colombia	0.2
Israel	0.2
Portugal	0.2
Singapore	0.2
Bahrain	0.1
Ecuador	0.1
Jamaica	0.1
Latvia	0.1
Switzerland	0.1
Uruguay	0.1
Estonia	0
Mauritius	0
Moldova	-0.1
Poland	-0.1
Belize	-0.25
Brazil	-0.3
Indonesia	-0.34
Hong Kong	-0.4
Greece	-0.5
Iceland	-0.5
Qatar	-0.5
Russia	-0.57
Trinidad And Tobago	-0.6
Ukraine	-0.7
Hungary	-0.8
South Africa	-1.2
Nigeria	-13.7

[bronco67]

There's a point in buying if they're really good hamburgers. Problem is, most hamburgers are regular ol' hamburgers.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by GFED

The point isn't to make money off the burger, it's to profit from selling the coke and fries with the burger.

If the producers of the burgers were selling the fries and cokes. It would be fine. The problem is they're producing the same burger they were 30 years ago but in HD. While Tubes give it away for free.

[Freedom6995]

First person to top that burger with cheese is in the cheese.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

But you have to pay for a steak dinner

Internet demographics have changed -- there are masses of new users, many on mobile devices, that cannot afford to buy -- they are just a traffic commodity now. The like free hamburgers because they 'cunt a4ord' to buy a steak.

Final analysis: Build a "steakhouse" -- move on and quit bitchin'

A man who understands marketing. Produce a product which is better than the rest, if only in the one element we still have left. We get to know the models.

We can't do it any other way than personality and empathy with the models. Film, Video, SD, HD, 3D, VR can all be adopted to shoot the same scene. Add this and the Tubes and Pirates aren't interested. That's the place for the plain run of the mill porn consumers. These videos won't get the views.

This is for tours and blogs. Where more than the norm will click the link to the "steakhouse". Than search endless burger houses for the scene.

Agreed this won't convert the poor or the freeloaders. Who we are now feeding with an endless supply of free porn. Or we carry on doing that expecting a different outcome.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If the producers of the burgers were selling the fries and cokes. It would be fine. The problem is they're producing the same burger they were 30 years ago but in HD. While Tubes give it away for free.

Sounds like what you are saying is tubes are doing it right. The free commodity is the porn and the juicy upsells for the profit are the ads

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by bronco67

There's a point in buying if they're really good hamburgers. Problem is, most hamburgers are regular ol' hamburgers.

Problem is sex hasn't changed in millions of years. Hard to come up with a new way this far on.

[CDSmith]

k, wait, so where are these free burgers at?

[Jigster715]

Originally Posted by arock10

Sounds like what you are saying is tubes are doing it right. The free commodity is the porn and the juicy upsells for the profit are the ads

The end if tubes as they are is nigh - They will have to re-invent themselves or die.

Mary Meeker's 2016 internet trends report: All the slides, plus analysis - Recode

[CaptainHowdy]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

k, wait, so where are these free burgers at?

Xburguers.com
burguer8.com
burguerhub.com

[Mediamix]

Originally Posted by Roald

[Spunky]

Nothing is for free

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

Xburguers.com
burguer8.com
burguerhub.com

Awwwesome. :D


ooh look! Burgertube!...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Freedom6995

First person to top that burger with cheese is in the cheese.

It will be the people who can construct this type of scene that will win. It's not like HD or VR, in that anyone can do it. Companies relying on shooting tons of scenes, that all look the same, in Russia, Hungary, Czech with girls who can't speak a word of English are fucked. As are those who shoot models who leave their personality at home when coming to work.

Think of it in this way. Would you like to see the girl who lives across the road fuck, or the one that serves you at the coffee shop?

That's impossible unless they turn to porn, this is a halfway in that you get to feel like you know the girl.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by arock10

Sounds like what you are saying is tubes are doing it right. The free commodity is the porn and the juicy upsells for the profit are the ads

Tubes got it right and doing it the best. TGPs could only go halfway. Both turned the men we offline guys made billions out of, freeloaders. They had to buy to jerk off. TGPs took out some, Tubes took out 99.99%. So what's left?

Certainly not giving people more free porn of girls the consumer doesn't give a fuck about.

Tubes won't be interested in this product, they don't want to upsell to pornsites, otherwise, they wouldn't insist on a cumshot or have 30-minute scenes. They're in the business of getting free porn to sell the traffic to people who don't produce free porn.

This is free bait to arouse the interest of those who do want to see someone they can relate to fucking. And it has to be more than the usual intro on a Fake Taxi, Casting, Bus fuck scene. Those are old hat. We were doing it in 1980.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As no one here sells burgers. You have to use the analogy to fit your circumstances.

There is a simple reason this will work. I will wait for those who understand marketing, porn and the present porn environment to get it.

if no one here sells burgers, then a burger sales analogy doesn't fit.

you're like an overpriced motivational speaker making silly analogies that no one gets, like business is like going to war, telling others how it should be done. if you're so clear on it, then go do it.

[Colmike9]

Well, sell them some steaks, then..

[Hannes]

initially the seller wants a combo to be sold, not just a burger.

[wehateporn]

American's spend over $10 Billion per year on bottled water

[LatinaCamChat]

Paul broken record failure at porn Markham creates another thread.

[Brian8377]

Congrats on your 1000th thread about this Paul and you really have no clue when you try to use this as an example. You do not get it. There is no one way to do anything. This doesn't even make sense and using this to try and get a point across.... I can't believe I am trying to explain something to you LOL. Fuck you got me. Carry on with your crazy shit

[Colmike9]

If everyone starts charging for their burgers, then people will look for other things besides just burgers to eat.. Then what?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

BURGERS SELL.

Always has and always will. A huge problem would be if they were given away in such quantity there's no real point in buying. Paying for a burger is pointless if they're all so similar and do the job a free one does. So sell the sauce, not the burger.

A Rolls Royce gets you to your destination just as fast as a second-hand Ford Focus, sell the comfort and prestige.

In a market where the need to buy was rarely strong, and lately a hassle. We're trying to sell porn which others give away for free. Praying, HD, 3D, and now VR will make a difference. Once Pornhub give it away it won't. Assuming VR is enough to people to grab a credit card. I suspect it won't, because it misses the point that porn relies on. Empathy.

Watch this and then tell me you don't want to see those girls give a blowjob.



Now who doesn't want to see this girl have anal sex?



This is easy to do if you have someone with the skills the man in the Simple Sexy Stupid video, which isn't hard. Or a pornstar who can talk to the camera. All it takes is a little planning. It's possible for all niches with a little adjustment.

Plan what direction you want to take, the street one has to include girls who are not going to have sex, the girls who will fuck have to be a little more exposed in the interview. This can be easy, by a girl saying "My BF says I'm awful at giving blowjobs" and taking it from there. The most important part is not to leave it there and jump into a sex scene. Keep adding more sauce.

When the scene is finished, another chance is presented to make more sauce for affiliates to spread the word. Her reaction after the scene is important.

These clips are to make people empathise with the model, they want to see her doing the action. Not the action by a stranger. Most content producers will tell you they like seeing girls they know and like have sex, they know her and empathise with her.

Now all you have to do is use the idea to fit your model of business.

Those of us still in business shooting and publishing our own stuff, have been doing it the way you describe for years ( 17 years for me ), and know where you're headed with your ideas ;) So please ssshhhhh about content promo & most production stuff

[mechanicvirus]

Everyone always "paints wisdom" in these threads but refuses to accept they are chasing money just like every other 7 billion person out there. What makes YOU, the gfy viewers so special? Honest question.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

Everyone always "paints wisdom" in these threads but refuses to accept they are chasing money just like every other 7 billion person out there. What makes YOU, the gfy viewers so special? Honest question.

The fact that we know better not to insult all GFY members while asking them a question in the next sentence. Shows total weakness on your part. You don't have anything to offer so this thread isn't for you.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

if no one here sells burgers, then a burger sales analogy doesn't fit.

you're like an overpriced motivational speaker making silly analogies that no one gets, like business is like going to war, telling others how it should be done. if you're so clear on it, then go do it.

As you're not in the business of selling or marketing I will explain it to you in simpler language.

Watching a girl you know being fucked is more exciting than watching a total stranger get fucked. We have given away so much of the total stranger porn. All that's left to sell is the girl we know. So the more we work at revealing who the gilr is, the more we know her and the more we want to see only, that's the important word so don't forget it, fucking.

Yes Tubes are still a problem, just less of a problem.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Gallag97

initially the seller wants a combo to be sold, not just a burger.

Another one who understand marketing and selling.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

American's spend over $10 Billion per year on bottled water

Yes. That industry has done a great marketing job. They have you convinced their water from a bottle is better than the water from your tap.

The sensible install a water filter in their home and fill up bottles. Like we did.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by LatinaCamChat

Paul broken record failure at porn Markham creates another thread.

The broken record is online porn marketing.

1990s, give away a free pic on Newsgroups.
2000s, give away free pics on TGPs, then video clips, then bigger pictures and videos, then give away full scenes.
2100, give away HD, 3d, and pray VR won't be given away so customers come back.

The record's not broken, it just spins faster.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Brian8377

Congrats on your 1000th thread about this Paul and you really have no clue when you try to use this as an example. You do not get it. There is no one way to do anything. This doesn't even make sense and using this to try and get a point across.... I can't believe I am trying to explain something to you LOL. Fuck you got me. Carry on with your crazy shit

Why is it wrong?

I get it that yu might not understand it, or unable to do it. But apart from that why is this so wrong?

Aren't you launching some teen sites soon?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

Those of us still in business shooting and publishing our own stuff, have been doing it the way you describe for years ( 17 years for me ), and know where you're headed with your ideas ;) So please ssshhhhh about content promo & most production stuff

Only 17 years.





Done over 20 years ago at a time when if you didn't buy from a handful of suppliers, you went without. Of course, today producers will have to go further in terms of who the girls is and what she gets out sex.

I did something similar with every girl I videoed.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

Everyone always "paints wisdom" in these threads but refuses to accept they are chasing money just like every other 7 billion person out there. What makes YOU, the gfy viewers so special? Honest question.

There are ways of running faster to catch more money.

Many here use the term marketing as if they have a clue what it means. Yes standing by the road with a bag of oranges and hoping someone passing by wants to buy. Is marketing. The busier the road, the better the sales.

Giving everyone who deliberately drives to you all the oranges they need, in the hope one will buy some. Isn't marketing. It's stupidity. In 16 years all we have done is to increase the amount of free porn we gave away.

Building product with attributes everyone else can't duplicate, then selling those attributes is real marketing. Which is why you choose GFY to post on and not beerandbollocks. If it still exists.

[Barry-xlovecam]

@paul

Paul, do you have any empirical evidence that link modeling from Youtube or Vimeo actually works?

Sales conversion referral sourcing is what I mean.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As you're not in the business of selling or marketing I will explain it to you in simpler language.

He's just a non industry ghost. His opinion on industry matters is worthless. He wants everyone to hear him and respond here yet says "I'm private" when you ask any info or want to connect. Total waste of time & energy.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Only 17 years.

:P

[mineistaken]

I don't get what you are trying to say.
That porn is for free so you can not sell it, but videos like these are not for free so you can sell them?

Or that you can sell porn even if it is available for free, but you need to make it more like those videos?
But then - those same videos will be available for free anyway.

Not getting your idea here.

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

The fact that we know better not to insult all GFY members while asking them a question in the next sentence. Shows total weakness on your part. You don't have anything to offer so this thread isn't for you.

It's only an insult if you have thin skin, I'm sorry you get easily offended by every comment. I'm really really sorry you go through life like that

[420]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

Everyone always "paints wisdom" in these threads but refuses to accept they are chasing money just like every other 7 billion person out there. What makes YOU, the gfy viewers so special? Honest question.

I'm trying to sound smart so coup will stay and talk to me after sex next time.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As you're not in the business of selling or marketing I will explain it to you in simpler language.

Watching a girl you know being fucked is more exciting than watching a total stranger get fucked. We have given away so much of the total stranger porn. All that's left to sell is the girl we know. So the more we work at revealing who the gilr is, the more we know her and the more we want to see only, that's the important word so don't forget it, fucking.

Yes Tubes are still a problem, just less of a problem.

markham, you're not even aware of the difference between sales and marketing.

markham, you're not even aware of the trite expression you're screwing up, it's "sell the sizzle, not the steak", it's not "sell the sauce, not the burger".

markham, you've been banned repeatedly for being a troll here, not me.

markham, you've been perma-banned here for being a troll, not me.

markham, if what you know is so special and a gift, then why are you not living it, instead living in a hut in a village screwing up self-help slogans trying to tell everyone else how to do it.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

He's just a non industry ghost. His opinion on industry matters is worthless. He wants everyone to hear him and respond here yet says "I'm private" when you ask any info or want to connect. Total waste of time & energy.



:P

heads up: you're a stalking faggot. of course i don't give psycho mental freak stalking faggots my info.

[MiamiBoyz]

Problem is that porn used to be a rare commodity and suddenly everyone can produce it with their smartphones. There is no reason to pay for it...ESPECIALLY...commercially produced crap that is clearly made with disinterested whores who do a bad job "acting" and have really bad fake tits.

Not hot.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Problem is that porn used to be a rare commodity and suddenly everyone can produce it with their smartphones. There is no reason to pay for it...ESPECIALLY...commercially produced crap that is clearly made with disinterested whores who do a bad job "acting" and have really bad fake tits.

Not hot.

People still pay for porn they like soooo

[xXXtesy10]

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by mechanicvirus

It's only an insult if you have thin skin, I'm sorry you get easily offended by every comment. I'm really really sorry you go through life like that

I said you insulted people then ask for their knowledge, that's stupid. It's a pussy move to apologize to someone then in the next sentence try to piss them off.

I did not say I was offended. Your stupidity is your own and doesn't affect my life one bit

[mechanicvirus]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

I said you insulted people then ask for their knowledge, that's stupid. It's a pussy move to apologize to someone then in the next sentence try to piss them off.

I did not say I was offended. Your stupidity is your own and doesn't affect my life one bit

I'm really sorry you keep replying to me. I'm sorry I make it easy for you to not care and type that on an internet forum but you do end up typing back to me and caring. I'm sorry that happens to you.

[420]

Originally Posted by MiamiBoyz

Problem is that porn used to be a rare commodity and suddenly everyone can produce it with their smartphones. There is no reason to pay for it...ESPECIALLY...commercially produced crap that is clearly made with disinterested whores who do a bad job "acting" and have really bad fake tits.

Not hot.

Agree with the last part.

Netflix has heaps of content and exclusive content. They charge like $10 a month and you guys want $20+ a month for your disinterested whores.

Someone on gfy explained exactly what to do to have a successful site in the tube era. It had nothing to do with hamburgers or any other analogy. Sorry paul. I know you're the oldest but that doesn't automatically make you the wisest.



Oh, and PS. I ain't gay. Coup comes over and fucks my wife, not me!
But he still leaves without saying goodbye.