Paul Markham

51 robots replacing humans.
If the progress towards the ultra elite owning everything doesn't turn around, there will be revolution or we will be back to workhouses of the Victorian times.

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Your smartness is based on a big middle class having money to spend. What happens when they can't even afford you to fix their roof or buy into your cross sale scams?

You and I became part of the 1%, your jibes are stupid and hide your lack of knowledge to debate the subject. We did it by selling a product that's now given away. Unless you own one of the top 10 Tubes, you're out of porn as a living. As for roofing who will be able to afford you?

Then price will be KING. You will have to go back to earning what a roofer earned in the 1900s.

What skills do you have that are so essential or huge business do you own that can be passed onto your children? Doctor, Lawyer, Scientist, or a hospital porter?

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Why should I pay an extra $5K ($20K?) a year in taxes to support you and your children in relative comfort? I don't want the government to guarantee your income by capping mine with taxation -- that us utterly ludicrous./QUOTE]

Because it may be you that will be on welfare one day. Plus the more people who can buy porn, the more chances you have of a job.

The delusional think the opportunities we have today will be here in 50 years.

As someone who enjoyed the opportunities 50 years ago. I can say you're banking on a return to the past. Children have far fewer opportunities today, advance 50 years and there will be far less.

Your children want to be a lawyer. Can you afford $100,000 a year to send them to University? That's after paying for private school to get them up to a level where they could go onto University.

The ultra rich can and will. Look back 100 years and see who could afford to get well educated to see the future. The ultra rich won't need you to buy ad space. Mindgeek will own the camsites or do tight deals among the few camsites left. Two people are needed for that.

Go back 15 years and see how many people were working in porn. Now look at today. You could do live cam.

They will never be replaced by a robot.

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woj

that's nonsense, everyone is capable of doing skilled work... "skilled work" doesn't mean you need to be a genius or even have above average intelligence...

it just means you put in some effort to acquire some useful skill... which is not unlike learning to ride a bike, a complete moron would take longer to learn, but eventually everyone is able to do it...

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you are the one that is delusional... with the invention of the internet opportunities available to everyone grew 10 or 20x fold from 50 years ago... now is the easiest time ever to start a business, easiest time ever to get funding, easiest time ever to learn any skill, etc...

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Barry-xlovecam

Paul I don't plan on some minimalist income plan to guarantee my security.

The future belongs to the well educated, the risk takers or the moneyed like it always has really

pimpmaster9000

technology has started to evolve and adapt faster than humans...you already have a deficit of skilled workers in the USA so you import them...

you are heavily betting on 3 million drivers in the USA who will lose their jobs to auto-pilot vehicles, adapting to being IT guys or craftsmen or whatever...but reality is: most people are capable of only low skilled jobs...packing cans in factories...driving a forklift...mowing lawns...driving a cab...working as a cashier...

oh but its a great time for the 5% who get computers and can come up with a business idea and actually get funding for their startups etc...only they wont have much of a market left to sell to...

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Sarn

but even in this short time communism give great result

Paul Markham

Such as what?

Tell us what you can do to open a business and make a lot of money. When your target audience is too poor to buy anything.

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This isn't about you and me. It's about our children and grandchildren.

Agreed about the well educated. Are you willing to pay more in tax to make sure more are well educated or going to pay for private education?

Because at the moment, public education in the US is short of funds.

The real decision will be made by the people who vote. If Trump has done one thing its expose a growing problem. Next time it could be someone with less mouth and more brains who stands up for those who are having their future's taken away from then.

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100% of swedes now hate their country. Reason is because of the massive scum bags that entered their country.

Paul Markham

China is not a Communist State, it's rampant Capitalism where a few rule the majority with a gun.

Communism is based on sharing wealth, not a few accumulating it. The problem was human nature of greed. While relying on human workers. Take out the need for human workers and it the chance to vote for an alternative. Then all that's needed is the support of the Army and Police.

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China is a great example of how a tiny few can run a country on the backs of the people. What it needs to prosper is the West buying its goods. At the moment Western jobs are going to China by the day. Not just jobs for the low skilled, China is advancing and taking high skilled and high tech jobs. How many of the robots we see in their infancy are made in the West and how many in the East?

Ford opened a car plant in Mexico, so they can sell those cars in the US. Just one example of the 0.01% exporting jobs to increase their profits.

Now factor robotic machines into the equation. They won't need to export jobs, they just sack workers. Can anyone here target areas like Detroit and see the sales that come from there? Detroit was once known as Motor City. Look at what happened when the car plants closed.

Imagine Silicon Valley going to Bejing. Already most of the computers we use are made in the East. What's to stop the jobs of design and program them going East?

Who outsources to a Third World country already? Besides Barry. Who states, American models are too expensive and he's a supporter of the Third World Cam Studio System. Will his boss decide someone in the Philippines can do his job for half the price or a Philippino starting cam site using the studios Xlovecam use? And selling to the West?

The Internet is a great place to start a business, whether you live in New York or Manilla.

This is already happening, the millions voting for Trump either know he's unfit to run a country and don't care, because they have nothing to lose. Or so badly educated they don't see his flaws.

Your "opportunities" are all based on having the products to sell, ability to show those products and people to buy your products. Amazon, Pornhub, Chaturbate and similar are closing offline shops and pornsites down all the time. So you have to compete with the big boys to make those opportunities.

In a Democracy it's not down to the individual. Trump is standing for election on a platform of turning around the decline of living standards for millions. Sanders stood on a platform of changing the broken system, UKIP stood on the platform of taking away power from an elite and won. This will take time to change, or it will slowly get worse for the middle classes, which is where out wages come from. The Middle Class or the West, so thinking an online world market will be there. Check your sales from the Third World. That market is under threat.

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Sarn

Capitalism Capitalism of course
if the country is run by the Communists it be capitalism, i know that

ilnjscb

Yes, for a short time. Sarn, would you rather have a short happy time and then a decade of purges and killings, or a long happy time? I don't need to post a pic of NYC, everyone already knows what it looks like. PS, the people in the pictures you post?

Here are the rest:

Paul Markham

They're communist by name only. I can call myself a horse, doesn't mean I am one.

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I don't have any children so my opinion is not influenced by emotion.

I entered the job market in 1973 and endured recession after recession as well as the first effects of automation. Things were not easy. Things are the same today really it is just that the Millennials are facing the same crisis albeit more inequitable.

A lot of the wealth in China is from limited capitalism in the communist state. The products made in China with cheap labor (where possible) will be made by robotics (robot workers) in the nations that are technically able to do it. The workers in the Chinese factories will return to the fields as substance farmers unless they can develop a locally supported market that is not reliant on massive exports.

Workers in the USA will not be that greatly affected. Those with good skills have good jobs. The McJobs and Wally World Workers will still be needed but less and less as automation and robotic jobs displace some.

The Romans had the Colosseum and handed out bread to the hungry -- that is minimal support for people that give minimal work -- for whatever reasons.

As for the education system:
The school district here (K-12) spent $50 million on one new elementary school and remodeling the high school (originally built in the 1970s) -- I am paying $150 a year for 20 years assessed on my property taxes to pay off that school district bond debt. A large part of the remodel expense was in building computer labs and other technically oriented learning centers towards training of the basic skills for the kind of work that will be available.

If there was a county wide assessment of $200 a year on my property for vocational community college school facilities, fixtures and equipment that was making a serious effort to deal with this coming issue I would probably vote for it.

I have no children in school. I can deal with it. The only benefit is that the small suburban school district adds some value to my property. Commercial property pays a millage rate that is twice mine as residential property -- they pay for the schools too without direct benefit, their only benefit being schooled workers of the future (perhaps -- it the kids stay in the area). An educated labor pool.

A basic annual income tax would be maybe cost 15% in an across the boards tax increase. No, I don't want to donate 15% of my taxable income to people that cannot or wont work if they are physically able but mentally deficient for retraining -- you are out of your fucking mind?

Maybe 50 million workers are going to be displaced -- 50% of them can find new work and 20% can learn new skills. The other 30% are going to have a shitty existence. But that is not my fault ...



^ that said I got work to finish by the end of the month.

Sarn

I prefer the freedom of choice.

bronco67

Wehateporn just might be the most misinformed person who has ever existed.

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Sarn

China have this economic system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy

Sarn

Relic

Sarn

why she here?

Barry-xlovecam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...e_by_net_worth

Who the fuck are you kidding?**[Added: not adjusted for population -- but still -- fortunes are being made in the Chinese Communist State. Workers do not own the means of production at all -- other than the stock market equities. How's that for Capitalist?]

Sarn

Barry-xlovecam

fuck youtube ...

Sarn

"If you do not have a needed skill in the workforce you are just not needed."

"I may have to pay for their very minimal existence -- as minimal as needed to keep them in barracks to be used as cheap labor for their subsistence if they want to consider themselves worthy to participate in society. $400/mo, a bunk in a barracks, work to better themselves of this will be their lot in life."
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Barry-xlovecam

You don't understand sarcasm and cynicism in the English language I see -- that is exactly right. However, I was thinking of Stalinist collective farms and gulags more specifically -- how did that work out?

Some economic theories are unworkable in a free society. They may be able to do this in a small nation like Switzerland -- basic income guarantees. Switzerland is not the USA, France or China. Denmark is a very small country existing in a broad based EU economy.

A small state in the USA could tax and redistribute a basic income guarantee stipend perhaps but that would not work in more diverse and populated states. However, that would be challenged in the federal courts -- guaranteed.

On a federal level in the USA the idea of a basic income stipend by taxation and wealth redistribution is ludicrous. People do not have a constitutional ''explicit'' right to an income in the USA. In fact, this would take a constitutional amendment here Constitutional Amendment Process not going to happen here ...

Paul Markham

Things won't be the same tomorrow.

Will those robots be in the US and the profits shared. Or the Far East and profits in the hands of a few?

What skills are you referring to? Think of a World like the late 19th Century. High Skilled Blacksmiths worked for very little. Same as most of the people who built the magnificent houses of the era. Again what skills do you think you can acquire that can't be done cheaper in China, that's assuming China isn't #1 and employing only Chinese.

And we have TV, the Internet and cheap imports. For now.

You're assuming they will have decent jobs to go to after school.

What happens if Xlovecam goes to the wall or is bought out by Mindgeek? you might be one3 of te people woring in Wallyworld.

Maybe only 10% of them can find a new job paying the same amount. The rest have to tighten their belts or have a shitty life. These are your customers. so your income drops.



When Budda was alive, the world wasn't changing. Today you have to think of tomorrow.

Imagine losing 5% of you market every year due to the people not being able to afford to buy. Add 20% going to the new Cam sites.

You obvioulsy can't think of adapting. So what comes next?

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The problem for many here is they imagine the future will be like the past. For millions of Westerners, it's already changed, for millions more they see more changes coming.

List of US Companies in India

US companies in China

American companies outside the US





Anyone who believes this will turn around or there will be opportunities for the masses. Is so delusional it's a wonder they have a job now.

Our market is the bottom 90%. The top 95%, can hire the real thing. And before you make cases for why they won't. A lot will and as the bottom 90% get poorer, escorts prices will drop. A live women in the same room as the client will beat a Third World Cam girl every time. A visit to a brothel after work is an easy option for the rich.

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Sarn

EU use planned economy (not full of course) + production quotas etc + big part socialism.

ilnjscb

On this board we have some socialists and some free market advocates. None of them live in those societies they advocate. Does anyone stand up now and say, my government is perfect?

To run any government where "enforcement" and taxation is needed invites corruption. Since slavery was invented, during the advent of agriculture, there has been cruelty, torture, and exploitation, all in the service of government.

True free market cannot be free, because it will immediately turn into feudalism. Freeness must be "enforced" as well as communism, theocracy, monarchy, oligarchy, timarchy, or republic.

Barry-xlovecam

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The will still be jobs but no one needs to see an old man sticking his finger in a robot's fun hole so I guess Paul and his kind are shit out of luck.

Fuck your 'cry me a river' charts. There is going to be less and less work for the unskilled -- that has been the trend for 30 years. WTF? You just get a clue?

Where does this money come from?
Paul doesn't have a job so he pays minimal taxes. Do you pay taxes on your pension income Paul or is that money tax-exempt (or some of it)?

320,000,000 USA people *$12,000 basic income guarantee
cost = $3,840,000,000,000
That is $3.8 Trillion dollars a year

The total GNP of the USA is $18 Trillion (2015 * world bank)

BTW Paul all pension money would be taxed too. The federal poverty rate for a household of 3 in the USA is $27,724 -- IDK, maybe you would be exempt? Maybe you think you will get some free money at the expense of the people that do have jobs.

There is your fucking chart ... By the fucking numbers ... They do not ad up in the USA and probably no place else in the known world. Let's see how long the Swiss will do this.

A couple of years ago I few back to the USA and the passenger next to me was a Danish girl moving to the USA to attend Grad School. Lucky me for a change She told me how expensive everyday life was in Denmark and how bad the tax burden was.

There are some countries with universal family allowance stipends but they are small money.

The USA has GA (welfare) and SSI (public disability) but this is not much money and only a small percentage of the population get these government stipends.

These are the economics of children's minds

woj

^^ your math is a bit off, basic guaranteed income is actually feasible...

per capita GDP in the US is in the $50K/year ballpark... so $10k/year in guaranteed income would be 20% of GDP not 200%...

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1st world be like "we gonna kill every human job possible to make more $$$ for our shareholders but it aint gonna shrink or market any, robots and AI will buy our shit"

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Sarn

I am not are socialist, only for trolling
In EU they even haven't democracy. Officials in Brussels are not elected and they control all the countries and economies EU

Sarn

this is the true nature of humanity)) self-destruct

Barry-xlovecam

"The total GNP of the USA is $18 Trillion (2015 * world bank)" do you have a reading problem woj?

I changed it ... was off a decimal place ...
Still, I don't need the extra $10K and I don't want to pay for 5 people that want it. Rather simple -- no handouts.

It is feasible? So, prove it

The whole population gets the fucking basic income from fucking were?
New taxes or you print money and devalue the currency.

Or, we go to war and keep the assets of the countries whose people we liquidate (stupid idea).

woj

there is nothing to prove... "per capita GDP in the US is in the $50K/year ballpark... so $10k/year in guaranteed income would be 20% of GDP"

so taxing 20% of the US output would pay for this guaranteed income... which clearly is at least in theory possible... combine that with the fact that substantial % of our taxes already go to social programs, if we were to get rid of them all and replace them with guaranteed income, only modest increase in taxes would be needed to make it happen...

I agree with you though that guaranteed income is a bad idea for many reasons, but math not adding up is not one of them...

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A basic income guarantee would cost $3.8 Trillion
Healthcare cost in the USA is about $3 Trillion
_________
$6.8 Trillion

Say you could save 1/3 (ha ha right) with a single payer universal healthcare. That is still $5.8 Trillion from a $18 Trillion GNI (GROSS NATIONAL INCOME).

I ain't getting paid for this so fuck it.
Point is: where the fuck is the money coming from?

woj can do the division he's so fucking good at math :OP

Ballpark, this looks like if you make over $50K AGI per year your new tax rate is 60%


If you make an AGI of $200K your new rate is 90% ?

Trickle up you lose and trickle down you lose also. Yet some people do well without being trust fund babies? How the fuck can that be

Barry-xlovecam

GDP
GNP
GNI

They are not the same.

Sure a 20% VAT will pay for it.
Who will pay the new tax?





source: GNI (current US$) | Data

Follow the trends and the numbers.

I do and I do OK ...

woj

you are missing one critical detail in all these calculations... that guaranteed income would REPLACE existing social programs... for example, social security which we now pay 12% for, wouldn't be needed anymore... so that 12% right there could be shifted to the new guaranteed income scheme... same for unemployment insurance, food stamps, and dozens of other social programs could all be decommissioned... so the real cost is 3.8T minus whatever obsolete programs we can get rid off...

so like I said before, guaranteed income wouldn't be desirable, not something I would support, but it's actually feasible...

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Minimum Social Security and ssi is $733 (ssi) + ?
Average Social Security is $1,180
Maximum Social Security is $2,366

Median Social Security payment is a bit higher
$14,535/annually (close to the federal poverty rate).

Income from Social Security | Pension Rights Center

So, there is a large net deficit.

1. Either you increase the basic minimum payment to the retired, or you;
2. chump the pensioners out of their payroll tax for Social Security of over 40years and reduce Social Security benefits;
3. or income qualify the recipients.

Maybe, only 5% of retirees would have their benefits reduced but they paid the most in usually.

Is that a fair deal? Not going to happen. Anyone receiving over the basic minimum wage will be exempted from the scheme. So ...

In 2015, over 59 million Americans will receive almost $870 billion in Social Security benefits. Count them out -- they get SSA SSI and no basic income.

less
59*12000
708 000 000 000 Untouched

GA Welfare is another 480 000 000 replaced by replaced by basic income. That is a large increase in payments.
Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain

Take a hypothetical family of four -- they get

4*$1,000 a month.( $12K/yr) =$4,000 /mo compared to $900 /mo WTF?

These numbers are without Medicare or Medicaid.

The savings you suggest (woj) are minimal.

Those charts I made above ^ of GNI Growth clearly show that countries with high taxation and social benefits are stagnant or below average GNI Growth countries. Hey, Paul where is CZ -- they are not listed by the World Bank -- maybe the numbers are too embarrassing to show IDK.

This is a breed new recipients scheme -- every new baby is worth $12K per year -- to who? The whole idea is ludicrous.

Mutt

It's been happening for almost a century and it will continue whether you like it or not. The sick, disabled, and yes some just lazy, already are getting $1500 a month - the guaranteed basic income should cut the expenses of running the welfare system.

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That is great news! LMAO: save $20 Billion and have $3 Trillion in the new tax expense of a guaranteed basic income.
Make up the losses on the volume?

$1000 per MONTH per Person

https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines
2016 POVERTY GUIDELINES FOR THE 48 CONTIGUOUS STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Persons in family/household Poverty guideline annual
For families/households with more than 8 persons, add $4,160 for each additional person.
1 $11,880
2 16,020
3 20,160
4 24,300
5 28,440
6 32,580
7 36,730
8 40,890