Paul Markham

Any god or version of a supernatural of an organised religion from the last 10,000 years.

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For me, it's a simple case of logic. Humans have been on Earth for 500,000 years. Only in the last 10,000 have they been farmers. That's when all religions became a tool for Chieftains to rule their tribe.

So why did these gods wait so long to reveal themselves and invent lies?

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I believe Paul Markham believes he is God.

ErectMedia

Not a fan of organized religion. Just a scam to tell ya how much percentage of your check to throw in the hat each week.

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Jigster715

"I'm not religious but I am very spiritual."

EddyTheDog

99% of the time I don't - I see things purely in a scientific way - However, sometime when I am deep in thought about 'stuff' I start to wonder - I suppose I am a part time agnostic...

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There's a lot left unexplained Jack.

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and it never will be

MFCT

God and religion have little, if anything, to do with each other.

Its a scientific fact that consciousness and all matter is very closely entangled. Watch this if you have any doubt.



All matter was created in the big bang, long before humans ever existed. It was also created entangled with consciousness. But but but... there was nothing alive, certainly no humans around, when the big bang occurred. Science proves there had to be at least an already-existing consciousness.

The universe, reality, existence is not only stranger than we imagine... it is stranger than we can imagine. Yet, in the face of this, we can still say with absolute certainty that there is no God? It should be no mystery why God would desire little if any interaction with such fools as humans.

To put it in perspective, do you prefer to seek out Down Syndrome people? Or avoid them? If you avoid them, do you really give a rat's ass if Down Syndrome people might not believe there can exist non-Down Syndrome people? Wouldn't such a misguided belief serve only to make them look that much more retarded? Wouldn't you, in turn, want to avoid them that much more?

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bronco67

Maybe when I know I've got about 3 good years left I'll start believing. Until then, I'll have some fucking sense.

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bronco67

Damn that's a pretty awesome quote.

You could say religious people basically are like a teenager who still sucks on a pacifier.

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Even in death you will be triggered.

MiamiBoyz

Biggest pile of shit I have actually ever read on this site.

NatalieK

I believe there's something more to this world.

I can't believe in billions of planets and miles of galaxy's, we're the only ones & if this is the case, there's also something else governing, karma, god, devil, good & bad, some sort of eternal power...

Is there a heaven, well, i'm not bothered for me, I don't care where I go, but I would like to believe for my parents & grandparents, there's a lovely place where they deserve to be rather than with some of the shit scum of this earth.

If we die and that's that, then i'd like to enjoy the short time we have here on this planet, working hard, enjoying life with no stresses and no haters. Just love, sex & friendship... oh and lots of vino

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NatalieK

healthy people have heart attacks or can catch cancer, get hit by a bus, you can be dead tomorrow.

If you're going to change your mind or believe in something, do so now & start your positive thinking. It doesn't hurt to have a good belief & to believe in something good and not hate, it feels good inside, you have a longer, stronger life and existence.

Live long and prosper bronco

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Look Chang

Sorry, I am not a sheep

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I'm a god.

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god of the devil

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And their lying enabling journalists.

ilnjscb

Christianity is, as Constantine so ably discovered, a perfect governing tool for a pyramid society. Each "layer" of the pyramid god has set in its place, and divinely ordained the rulers. People who are ruled by fear will buck the constraints of a human enforcer they cannot see, but cannot escape the all seeing eye of a wrathful god.

The catholic church has lasted unchanged in its fundamental structure for 1600 years, even calling units of government "diocese" which is a roman construct. It has the cardinals, who are senators, the pope, who is the emperor, and the bishops, who are duces and comes. The worshipers are the peasants, as always to be bled and managed.

I'd prefer polytheism if there must be religion, that way the bastards will kill each other and leave the smart people alone.

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shimmy2

cop: "you motorbike no international license. soi numbah 9. 400 baht you pay now."
me: "oh my god"
cop: "god. muahahah."

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I believe in the God Emperor Donald J. Trump, OP.

Spunky

Jesus is lord!

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Grapesoda

FAIL: there is no connection between organized religion and G_D try and get yer feeble shit together please, and if you use organized religion to disavow G_D you are even lamer that I had originally perceived you to be. this to ALL you dipshits

SilentKnight

I don't believe in a god.

My jury is still out on the paranormal and/or extraterrestrials.

There may have been some sort of driving force behind the creation of the universe and all that it contains - but I don't believe in the religious fairy tales created by man - designed to keep man fearful of an all-knowing, omnipotent entity in the sky.

Mankind must get his collective head-out-of-ass and evolve past the concept of god and religion - but at the same time maintaining some sort of basis for a moral compass.

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Rochard

I believe in something.

When I cut myself, I bleed. Just for a moment setting aside how amazing our blood is, when I bleed, it washes the wound and then seals it to protect it. That didn't happen on accident. Someone planned that, and someone designed it.

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Grapesoda

are you familiar with Dr Alan Watts? his position is man self selected to be a medicine man or priest until 'farming', farming cultures set up systems to produce priest. i.e. religions.

Grapesoda

in 1835 it was thought that if a train went faster than 30 mph all the atmosphere would be sucked out and everyone would die... now what were you saying again?

Grapesoda

if that doesn't happen by accident you're a cutter... get help right away!

SilentKnight

Lots of accidents happen.

Just ask your parents.

Grapesoda

in all honesty the term G_D with all the implications is somewhat limited in scope. I think more in terms of unbiased infinite possibilities by which I mean the 'infinite possibilities' is unbiased to me getting a million dollars or a bullet in the head.

I can 'tune' myself and my life to the possibilities more in line with my choices and preferences. I do this with correct thought and correct actions... interesting isn't it?

the power of prayer is the power to change human relationships, and expressing gratitude, prayer works perfectly every time.

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NatalieK

OMG yes, isn't it wrote on every US dollar...


in god we trust!?!?!?



Should all Americans believe in God or shouldn't they get out, as Trump puts it

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VRPdommy

Just a few questions for thinking on....

Why is it that we only had one god since about 300BC ? After the Hebrews were freed in Babylon by Cyrus the Great and took on the beliefs of the the Assyrians/Persians except for the one god theory they came up with themselves when wondering why the Gods had forsaken them.

Why is it when you look at all the religions, they all say the same things ?

Why is it almost all stories in the Bible have a root in the original Sumerian text's that are thousands of years older ?
(i.e. Creation Story, Flood Story etc)
Even the story of Mosses is suspect for as a infant, he was placed in a basket covered in BITUMEN and placed in the Nile. Well guess what, There is no BITUMEN along the Nile. But there is along the Euphrates river in Iraq where the Sumerians lived.

More can be understood about religion when you can trace the migration of Language, Culture, Arts and Customs of the people.
Much of which was spread around the globe by those we seem to know as the Phoneticians. Even though the Egyptians and Greeks like to take credit for it. But I think most of those Phoneticians were migrated descendants of what we call Atlantis.

History is written by the victor and there have been plenty of battles for not so good of reasons ! Probably plenty more in the name of religion in store for us. But it really is only a story about power and greed.

Paul Markham

Do you believe in a god that's not part of any organised religion?

How did you arrive at that feeble conclusion?

Get your shit together or explain about you god.

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Study evolution. It's all there.

Of course, if we bled to death on every cut, we would have never got further than single cells.

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NatalieK

sadly, for grapesoda to rely on calling everyone dipships, he doesn't believe in a higher power yet...

he should have said "organized religions & extremists, governments and media hype can create a problem for people to believe in a god or be open to a faith".

Many here should believe in a God, considering they use the US money every day

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mikesouth

"God" is a rather ambiguous concept, while I don't believe in the traditional idea of "God" and I have a certain disdain for most organized religion I do find the concept of "God" to be rather real, though you might call her "mother Nature" or something else...the whole idea of intelligent design (not the nonsense spouted by dinosaur deniers) intrigues me as having a good amount of merit.

But I think God is something different to everyone and have no desire for anyone else to think about it the same way I do...if you do good, if you dont good, but as soon as it gets "followers" it gets corrupted and perverted by those who would use it as a means to control others.

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It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

kane

While I lean towards the likelihood that there is no God, I am not arrogant enough to assume I know for certain. None of us can know for certain until we die.

I try to be a good person and live my life in a positive manner. Perhaps one day I will see or experience something that makes me believe one way or the other, but until then I will stay on the fence.

Grapesoda

weird concept you have there Paul... I have nothing to explain and I owe you no explanation of my interior landscape nor my relationships, internal or external. how dare you even demand an explanation? if your relationship with G_d sucks, then man the fuck up and fix it, strop crying like a baby on internet forums

Grapesoda

good point, I stand by dipshits though, I'm not longer 12 step although stopping my time at 26 years after conversation with my sponsor does give me insight into the programs

MFCT

You sound quite convinced there, my friend. But you offer no counter-argument with your disagreement? Do you dispute the science behind the double-slit experiment / delayed choice quantum eraser? Do you dispute the big bang, and the instantaneous creation of all matter? Do you dispute that something has to exist in order for matter to be created entangled with it?

Or if its just a pile of shit because its all so far over your head that you can't even begin to comprehend it...ok, fair enough. No one expects counter-arguments from helmet-wearers.

By the way Paul, thanks for the thread. Lots of interesting discussion and viewpoints here.

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