hilary and the other october surprise

[Joshua G]

everybody knows julian assange has her server, & will dump it at just the right moment. but thats not what im talking about.

wait until october, when health insurers propose their price hikes on the poor next year.

nobody above medicaid, but below rich, is going to be energized to vote for hilary when her healthcare bill comes due. & she rigged the law to force them to pay the price gouging insurers that wrote the law.

oh wait, the poor are too dumb to understand all that. at least, certain democrat constituents, led on a leash by the liberal media, they have no clue. white working class, knows the deal. polls say so.

come november 8, the fiction that is hilarys support comes crashing down.

[Sly]

My plan this year went up 15-20% and I doubled my deductible plus the plan is not letting specialists apply to the program. All that and I live in one of the most competitive insurance markets in the country. It's going to be bad this next time around.

[kane]

I don't know how much insurance premiums will affect the election.

Poor people get massive subsidies or are on Medicaid so they won't see an increase. Many middle class people get their insurance through their jobs so they will see very little if any increase. The people who will see it and will get hurt are either self-employed or they work for very small companies that will pass much of the increase onto them.

I'm not so sure how many of those people were going to vote for her in the first place.

I think the real October surprise is going to be Obama making a big assault on Isis. I think he will declare some kind of action and we will ramp things up. If he strikes and deals a heavy blow against them it could nullify Trump's claim that he will defeat them.

[onwebcam]

Only 3 Obamacare insurers in my state now from what I understand and all 3 with huge policy increases. 1 is over 60% increase from this year to next. My insurer is pulling out altogether.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by kane

I don't know how much insurance premiums will affect the election.

Poor people get massive subsidies or are on Medicaid so they won't see an increase. Many middle class people get their insurance through their jobs so they will see very little if any increase. The people who will see it and will get hurt are either self-employed or they work for very small companies that will pass much of the increase onto them.

I'm not so sure how many of those people were going to vote for her in the first place.

I think the real October surprise is going to be Obama making a big assault on Isis. I think he will declare some kind of action and we will ramp things up. If he strikes and deals a heavy blow against them it could nullify Trump's claim that he will defeat them.

hello. do you believe corporations are immune from price increases as insurers lose money on a broken financial system? i think you of all the left of centers, understand obamacare finances are in turmoil. there was supposed to be a fund that pooled risk for insurers. but that money never materialized because budget forecasts did not happen. the healthy did not sign up to forecast, & there were more sick than forecast. some insurers went broke. all thats happening now is consolidation, so soon there will be few to no options, anywhere.

obamacare is a political pig thats not helping democrats win votes.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by kane

Poor people get massive subsidies or are on Medicaid so they won't see an increase. Many middle class people get their insurance through their jobs so they will see very little if any increase. The people who will see it and will get hurt are either self-employed or they work for very small companies that will pass much of the increase onto them.

Companies have been cutting back significantly on their insurance offerings. Companies can't get hit with higher premiums and not make changes. My dads families insurance policy, through his employer, has gone up 50% over the last two years. And that includes his employer still kicking in.

[Joshua G]

as far as ISIS...that shitstorm is not resolving in a few weeks because obama sends in a few more grunts. none of the victories, thus far, has changed public opinion on how obama handles ISIS. if anything, more ISIS attacks are poison for democrats.

a wag-the-dog bullshit victory is not going to cut it.

[Joshua G]

what does hilary have going for her?

not politically excited people who go to rallies, she cant fill a high school gym. she has 1 staged rally a week. needs to spend the other 6 days giving blowjobs to corporations for money.

not people on social media, trump is more active & popular by every social media metric.

the only thing hilary has going for her, are fake. fake late night talk shows. fake TV journalists. fake newspapers. & fake polls.

reality is coming, hilary backers.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

hello. do you believe corporations are immune from price increases as insurers lose money on a broken financial system? i think you of all the left of centers, understand obamacare finances are in turmoil. there was supposed to be a fund that pooled risk for insurers. but that money never materialized because budget forecasts did not happen. the healthy did not sign up to forecast, & there were more sick than forecast. some insurers went broke. all thats happening now is consolidation, so soon there will be few to no options, anywhere.

obamacare is a political pig thats not helping democrats win votes.

I have long said that Obamacare is just step one towards us getting a single payer system in this country. Obamacare as a whole is set up to fail mainly for two reasons. It put a lot of people into the system who had pre-existing conditions and couldn't get covered before and it hasn't been able to offset them with enough healthy people. Second, it does nothing to lower the actual cost of the care and drugs. Combine the two and it is going to cause costs to continue to rise. Eventually we will hit a breaking point. I don't think we are there yet, but at this rate we will get there in the next 10 years.

Here is the thing. Registered Democrats strongly support Obamacare even with its flaws so any Obamacare bad news won't hurt her with her base. Where it might is with independents. Still, I think we are a few years away from the real pain so I just don't think this is going to be that big of an issue in this election.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Sly

Companies have been cutting back significantly on their insurance offerings. Companies can't get hit with higher premiums and not make changes. My dads families insurance policy, through his employer, has gone up 50% over the last two years. And that includes his employer still kicking in.

Almost all of my friends work for various companies. Some big, some small. Of those I have talked to about this about half of them have seen no increase at all and the other half has seen some, but not enough that it was a big deal. I'm sure some companies are passing more onto the employees than others.

I still think, as of today, the people that feel the hit the most are those who are either self-employed or they are buying insurance themselves and don't qualify for many subsidies.

That will change. Costs will continue to rise every year until it gets to the point where something major is going to have to happen.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by kane

I have long said that Obamacare is just step one towards us getting a single payer system in this country. Obamacare as a whole is set up to fail mainly for two reasons. It put a lot of people into the system who had pre-existing conditions and couldn't get covered before and it hasn't been able to offset them with enough healthy people. Second, it does nothing to lower the actual cost of the care and drugs. Combine the two and it is going to cause costs to continue to rise. Eventually we will hit a breaking point. I don't think we are there yet, but at this rate we will get there in the next 10 years.

Here is the thing. Registered Democrats strongly support Obamacare even with its flaws so any Obamacare bad news won't hurt her with her base. Where it might is with independents. Still, I think we are a few years away from the real pain so I just don't think this is going to be that big of an issue in this election.

fair enough. i feel that, with the broadest measures of public opinion showing a split vote, things that have not happened yet will ultimately decide this one. things nobody can predict, like the terror attacks, or economic bulls/bears. everyone on the left thinks she will wax trump at debating. but she cant do a press conference. trump is going to lead her into a trap, i dont know how. but he is more cunning than she is.

what else can i say, but the mood of the voters is change. there are not 2 change candidates running, just 1.

[Joshua G]

Originally Posted by kane

That will change. Costs will continue to rise every year until it gets to the point where something major is going to have to happen.

hard to see that today...the bernie backers need to take over the democrats & broom out the neo-libs once & for all (after trump win.) Then, after everything goes to shit, & the media blames trump for 4 years, someone new & bold enough to propose medicare-for-all (my theory as to the only method to sell single payer) gets elected.

but thats way beyond hilary or trump administrations. i would think an intelligent liberal would want trump to win, so he catches the blame for the implosion coming from yellin having propped up the economy with smoke & mirrors for years.

[Joshua G]

considering clinton secrecy, i see a situation where hilary dies in office, but nobody knows & the white house keeps going on, weekend-at-bernies style.

who knows who will be really running the country. Bill? foundation donors? certainly a cesspool of corporate greed, the antithesis of an honest liberal.

thats the faustian bargain of being liberal today. if you want to nevertrump, you have to vote for a crooked felon that plays you & lies to you & pretends to be a democrat, pretends to be a feminist.

smart liberals know hilarys true colors.

[kane]

Originally Posted by Joshua G

fair enough. i feel that, with the broadest measures of public opinion showing a split vote, things that have not happened yet will ultimately decide this one. things nobody can predict, like the terror attacks, or economic bulls/bears. everyone on the left thinks she will wax trump at debating. but she cant do a press conference. trump is going to lead her into a trap, i dont know how. but he is more cunning than she is.

what else can i say, but the mood of the voters is change. there are not 2 change candidates running, just 1.

There is so much time left between now and the election anything could happen.

At this point I feel like about 35% of the people are going to vote for Trump no matter what he says, does or what happens. I think about 40% will vote Clinton no matter what. It is what that last 25% does that matters.

I think the debates will play a big factor in this election. I don't think Hillary will wax him, but I also don't think he is going to trap her or that he is all that cunning when it comes to debates. The Republican debates were all about sound bites which he is great at, but these debates will be long form and it will be just him and her (and maybe Johnson). He is going to have to give more than just sound bites. I was reading today about how the two are preparing for the debates. Hillary is pouring over policy books, and studying every aspect of everything that could be covered. She is going to have practice debates on a stage that is identical to the one they will be on. She will be so prepared there is likely not a question she can be asked that she won't be ready for. Trump is golfing with people like Giuliani and Ailes and getting their input. I think he is smart enough to know it will take more than that to do well, but I don't know how much work he is willing to put in it. Still, I think most of the burden falls on Trump in the first debate. So long as Hillary doesn't implode she will likely come out of it doing okay, but Trump is going to have to impress people.

Adding to this is Johnson who is polling at 10-11% in some polls. If he can manage to get in the debates it will likely spell doom for Trump. The polls show he actually pulls voters from both candidates, but he pulls more away from Trump than Hillary and right now Trump needs every single voter he can find.

[romeo22]

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