Now that Epoch aren't directly paying affiliates, what are different sponsors doing? - GoFuckYourself.com

wehateporn · 09-29-2016, 02:53 PM

As most of you know Epoch are no longer paying affiliates, instead they pay the sponsor then the sponsor has to pay the affiliates. I'm starting this thread so as sponsors can share what their ideas/plans are for going forward.

Understandably not every sponsor is going to want to be involved with the hassle of paying affiliates, some will want a direct replacement for what Epoch was doing, but what other options should be considered? If they were to switch completely from Epoch to CCBill would that have to mean a complete loss of rebills?

One sponsor I know planned to pay webmasters via Paypal, but almost right away had their Paypal account closed down. Now they are thinking of switching to CCBill, but my understanding is that it will mean a complete loss of rebills (I have 30+ with them), they have excellent rebill retention, it would be a big loss for all involved.

Please share your thoughts/ideas/plans?

~Ray · 09-29-2016, 02:57 PM

Sounds like they need a middle man. That's Christopher Malick could offer a solution

marc22 · 09-29-2016, 03:11 PM

time for everyone cut out the middle man,

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BigFurry · 09-29-2016, 03:15 PM

They could do ACH / Wire / Paxum / Payoneer. The last two are as easy as Paypal, and adult friendly.

If they don't want to handle payments themselves, maybe Sliiing could pay the affiliates for the Epoch rebills? I'm not sure.

hdbuilder · 09-29-2016, 04:08 PM

Chexx would do it

Struggle4Bucks · 09-29-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

As most of you know Epoch are no longer paying affiliates, instead they pay the sponsor then the sponsor has to pay the affiliates. I'm starting this thread so as sponsors can share what their ideas/plans are for going forward.

Understandably not every sponsor is going to want to be involved with the hassle of paying affiliates, some will want a direct replacement for what Epoch was doing, but what other options should be considered? If they were to switch completely from Epoch to CCBill would that have to mean a complete loss of rebills?

One sponsor I know planned to pay webmasters via Paypal, but almost right away had their Paypal account closed down. Now they are thinking of switching to CCBill, but my understanding is that it will mean a complete loss of rebills (I have 30+ with them), they have excellent rebill retention, it would be a big loss for all involved.

Please share your thoughts/ideas/plans?

Switching to CCBill doesn't mean you have to close your epoch account... so... don't see why those rebills would be gone.

redwhiteandblue · 09-29-2016, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Struggle4Bucks

Switching to CCBill doesn't mean you have to close your epoch account... so... don't see why those rebills would be gone.

They wouldn't be gone but I don't know if there's a way to transfer them from Epoch to CCBill so that affiliates get credited for them. You can do that with NATS though, I'm pretty sure. RealSexCash did it and I started getting credited with rebills in their NATS after they switched.

There's another reason to switch to either CCBill or NATS though. Hiding the webmaster ID from big G.

BigFurry · 09-29-2016, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

They wouldn't be gone but I don't know if there's a way to transfer them from Epoch to CCBill so that affiliates get credited for them. You can do that with NATS though, I'm pretty sure. RealSexCash did it and I started getting credited with rebills in their NATS after they switched.

There's another reason to switch to either CCBill or NATS though. Hiding the webmaster ID from big G.

It is not that the Epoch rebills would be lost. The problem is that they would have to pay the affiliates themselves for those Epoch rebills. They are moving because they don't want to deal with that.

NATS doesn't solve that issue.

rabbit · 09-29-2016, 05:19 PM

we contacted close to 100 sponsors in this situation. sadly 95% of them didn't even reply and we had to stop sending traffic. seems most sponsors that were on epoch alone were dead programs on autopilot.

Roald · 09-29-2016, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbit

we contacted close to 100 sponsors in this situation. sadly 95% of them didn't even reply and we had to stop sending traffic. seems most sponsors that were on epoch alone were dead programs on autopilot.

Hence the reason epoch stopping it.

Any sponsor/sites having issues with their payouts can hit me up and if interesting for both parties we will add you to Payserve and will take care of it all.

CHMOD · 09-30-2016, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

They could do ACH / Wire / Paxum / Payoneer. The last two are as easy as Paypal, and adult friendly.

If they don't want to handle payments themselves, maybe Sliiing could pay the affiliates for the Epoch rebills? I'm not sure.

Thanks for the mention!

We can indeed take care of the affiliate payouts for new signups & rebills as well. The affiliates do not have to change any tracking link, they still use the Epoch ones.

Sliiing would then track trafffic & signups, at the end of the pay period the sponsor sends us the amount due to the affiliates and we send out the payouts instead of Epoch sending out the payouts. The affiliates would have access to their stats in the Sliing admin panel.

redwhiteandblue · 09-30-2016, 12:39 AM

The trouble is, haven't Epoch said they will be closing down Epochstats completely sometime in 2017? So it would be wise for sponsors to find another solution for stats now along with a payment solution.

JFK · 09-30-2016, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hdbuilder

Chexx would do it

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wehateporn · 09-30-2016, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

The trouble is, haven't Epoch said they will be closing down Epochstats completely sometime in 2017?

Is that definite?

wehateporn · 09-30-2016, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CHMOD

Thanks for the mention!

We can indeed take care of the affiliate payouts for new signups & rebills as well. The affiliates do not have to change any tracking link, they still use the Epoch ones.

That bit sounds good

wehateporn · 09-30-2016, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

Any sponsor/sites having issues with their payouts can hit me up and if interesting for both parties we will add you to Payserve and will take care of it all.

Would affiliates get to keep their rebills?

wehateporn · 09-30-2016, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbit

we contacted close to 100 sponsors in this situation. sadly 95% of them didn't even reply and we had to stop sending traffic. seems most sponsors that were on epoch alone were dead programs on autopilot.

That's pretty eye-opening

Roald · 09-30-2016, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Would affiliates get to keep their rebills?

That should be no issue so yes.

Neighbor · 09-30-2016, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by redwhiteandblue

The trouble is, haven't Epoch said they will be closing down Epochstats completely sometime in 2017? So it would be wise for sponsors to find another solution for stats now along with a payment solution.

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While NATS doesn't handle making the affiliate payments for you, we work closely with various companies who are integrated within our platform that do exactly that. So all you would need to do is export the affiliate payments report and let them handle the rest.

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