Do webcam sites coach, direct and mange models?

[Paul Markham]

One of the things I've noticed is how bad some webcam girls are at luring guys in and keeping them interested. The vast majority are about as exciting as watching paint dry. OK, a bit more than that.

It just seems to me that there's money on the table here that's being allowed to fall off.

Back in the day in the UK and the BBFC we had an upper limit of 18 videos. They had to be sexy without doing much or anything too sexy. I shot magazine sets when we had to imply rather than deliver.

We had to be masters at teasing or we didn't sell. A lot of webcam girls need some lessons in how to tease and earn a lot more. Which webcams do that?

[Paul Markham]

The headline should say manage models, not mange them. LOL

[Adnium_Ivana]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Back in the day in the UK and the BBFC we had an upper limit of 18 videos. They had to be sexy without doing much or anything too sexy. I shot magazine sets when we had to imply rather than deliver.

We had to be masters at teasing or we didn't sell. A lot of webcam girls need some lessons in how to tease and earn a lot more. Which webcams do that?

Those times are long over...the more lewd, the more hardcore the act the better. Men also don't have patience to 'wait' so to speak - as in they want instant gratification immediately - hence the "fast food' type of performance delivery you get from many cam sites.

So is it the cam girls fault or the fact most people don't have the attention spans they once did because of the internet? Many models have a choice: give fans what they want right away or risk customers clicking away from the browser chat window & therefore losing clients...

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong but this seems more of "hate the game not the player" kind of situation.

[Speigelau]

If any of my models have the mange, I send them home immediately until its cleared up.

[CourtneyR]

We try and give our models pointers on ways they can increase their revenue, but it really comes down to the model. You can be as hot as they come but if you don't have a personality then you wont do very well.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Adnium_Ivana

Those times are long over...the more lewd, the more hardcore the act the better. Men also don't have patience to 'wait' so to speak - as in they want instant gratification immediately - hence the "fast food' type of performance delivery you get from many cam sites.

So is it the cam girls fault or the fact most people don't have the attention spans they once did because of the internet? Many models have a choice: give fans what they want right away or risk customers clicking away from the browser chat window & therefore losing clients...

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong but this seems more of "hate the game not the player" kind of situation.

I get that. But even hardcore can be done with tease or without it. We've all seen boring fuck scenes.

My comments aren't about what the girls do, it's more about the way some do it. Just been looking at Camgasm, most of it is boring. They could be fucking, it would still be boring. They have as much life as a dead fish. Or can't see the girls face, one had the camera pointing at the ceiling.

I've seen just as bad on other sites including CB. This is losing girls, company,studios and affiliates money.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN

We try and give our models pointers on ways they can increase their revenue, but it really comes down to the model. You can be as hot as they come but if you don't have a personality then you wont do very well.

Not saying it's an easy job. But it has to be done. Bottomline is to let them go.

The trick is to get them learning good skills that are simple and easy to learn. Like smiling more often and posture. Then move them up.

But there are ones that I felt like hitting with the camera as I saw the money disappearing.

[pimpmaster9000]

Yes webcam sites have special teams of coaches and directors that mentor camgirls on how to not be lazy ass hoes that ended up working as strippers for 5cent tokens in front of broke beggars...these special coaches teach them social skills and give them psychological training, making the girls masters of seduction and manipulation...the girls are thrilled to receive this training and sit after hours to be mentored because they miss school so much...it is every girls dream...

[2MuchMark]

Hi Paul,

The better sites do this for sure. Some cam models either have no idea what to do, and others just sit their doing nothing. Of course they don't make any money, then get mad, then start kicking customers out who don't instantly tip them.

[pimpmaster9000]

No, they dont...

[kane]

Not too long ago I wrote a pretty big guide for a cam site that was meant to help cam girls make more money and get more people following them. The bottom line is that some of the studios do help them, but most of them don't really give them much more than some basic pointers.

Being a cam model is like any other job. Some are good at it and put out a lot of effort and others are just there punching the clock and making a wage. Think of it like acting. There are plenty of talented actors out there, but most of them lack the drive, and desire to put in the work it takes to be successful. Also, it has to do a lot with your look. The very successful girls are not only hot, but they have a good personality and they engage their audience. In the end, you can't teach personality.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by Speigelau

If any of my models have the mange, I send them home immediately until its cleared up.

Good Call! Don't want that shit to spread!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by **********

Hi Paul,

The better sites do this for sure. Some cam models either have no idea what to do, and others just sit their doing nothing. Of course they don't make any money, then get mad, then start kicking customers out who don't instantly tip them.

Think of a business as a well oiled machine. It needs oiling, looking after and tweaking as it runs.

The essential part of a webcam business are the models. All the income relies on the staff doing the job everyone sells. Bad models, bad sales, low profits, poor traffic, etc.

The worse thing is bad models earning a bit. This infects other girls, especially in countries with a low cost of living. A Philippino can live on $2570 per year. That puts them in the middle of the income. That's less than $50 a week.

If she's not trained and bad at her job, she might think when she's got her $50 she can turn off and not bother. Plus infect other girls with that attitude camming is a shit job.

Here's the key to making a lot of girls happy with $50 need to earn $500 a week and love the job. With good training, she earns more, she buys more, the key is to get her to renting a better home, buying a car on a loan, getting new furniture, etc.

That's the difference between a girl in the Philippines and one in Philidelphia. One doesn't want much, the other needs more.

This works whatever job and whatever country. Even down to cities there are areas where people work hard to get more because they think they need it. And people who are happy to just get by.

Greed is good.

[Olga BongaCash]

Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN

You can be as hot as they come but if you don't have a personality then you wont do very well.

Completely agree!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Yes webcam sites have special teams of coaches and directors that mentor camgirls on how to not be lazy ass hoes that ended up working as strippers for 5cent tokens in front of broke beggars...these special coaches teach them social skills and give them psychological training, making the girls masters of seduction and manipulation...the girls are thrilled to receive this training and sit after hours to be mentored because they miss school so much...it is every girls dream...

It doesn't take teams of coaches.

But what would you know about managing people?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

One of the things I've noticed is how bad some webcam girls are at luring guys in and keeping them interested. The vast majority are about as exciting as watching paint dry. OK, a bit more than that.

It just seems to me that there's money on the table here that's being allowed to fall off.

Back in the day in the UK and the BBFC we had an upper limit of 18 videos. They had to be sexy without doing much or anything too sexy. I shot magazine sets when we had to imply rather than deliver.

We had to be masters at teasing or we didn't sell. A lot of webcam girls need some lessons in how to tease and earn a lot more. Which webcams do that?

I do believe you are seeing much low aptitude at work, hard to coach low aptitude

[Horatio Caine]

Paul, you should do cam shows. Educational series cam shows in tight speedos.

[woj]

I have no idea why you are sharing golden tips like these for free on gfy... you should come out of retirement and become a cam site consultant... with your decades of managing cam studios experience you would easily double the profits of most cam studios and earn some nice $$$ with hardly any work along the way too...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I do believe you are seeing much low aptitude at work, hard to coach low aptitude

A lot of the girls who come into porn have a low attitude towards work. Many are unemployed for that reason. That's not to say all of them. Some will come to the job determined to make money. The problem is because they don't know what they're doing. They don't make money and go into a downward spiral.

There are a few so obvious mistakes that makes it obvious no one in management is watching.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine

Paul, you should do cam shows. Educational series cam shows in tight speedos.

If you promote camsites or want to. This is about your income.

However if I needed to earn a living. Camshows would be the way to go. On YT nothing porn related.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by woj

I have no idea why you are sharing golden tips like these for free on gfy... you should come out of retirement and become a cam site consultant... with your decades of managing cam studios experience you would easily double the profits of most cam studios and earn some nice $$$ with hardly any work along the way too...

Not giving away anything.

Come out of retirement and offer a coaching service to a company. That could be fun.

One doesn't need to manage a camstudio to know how to motivate the girls who want to earn money in porn. It's something I learned in the studio while working as a model. Back in the 60s. And something I did in my studio for 4 decades. And something I did when I shot a scene for Manwin a few years ago.

With respect you're a webmaster.

"Custom Software Development, icq: 33375924 or woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details
Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager
Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager"

This is about people skills.

[Robin]

This is a great topic and I am glad somebody brought it up.
We do coach our cam models at Xmodels and we do have a dedicated team who is in direct contact with our models, providing them with technical support, tips and tricks about their profiles, background, lighting and how to adapt/improve their shows for the users of the site etc.. We do this along with providing articles and news about different coaching topics, however direct contact brings better results than a blog article or a simple reminder.

Since we've implemented this we've seen great results in what regards the quality of the shows, the quality of the profiles and also higher retention rate on both user and model side.
It does depends a lot on the models' will to learn and listen and how much she/he wants to be involved and to improve. Coaching has a good impact at all levels of models either we are talking about totally new models who just started camming, experienced and also "veterans". More over, coaching has an impact on the overall models' performance across different cam platforms. I say this because besides the tailored coaching for that particular site you can also change the perception of a model about the business itself ( mostly found on the new and sometimes also on experienced cam models).

Cams evolved a lot in the last few years, along with this the customers' expectations and demands. It is true that cam sites differ in style and approach and not all coaching tips given to the models may fit on all of them but certainty it has an impact on the models' psychic and the way they perceive themselves, the cam companies and most important their users.
The reaction we get in most of the cases when we contact models is a positive one, and our effort is appreciated. This way we not only improve the quality of our site's models but we also get our team members more motivated by the results they are getting.
I must admit that is not always a piece of cake, some models have it and some just don' t
Best,
Robin

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Robin

This is a great topic and I am glad somebody brought it up.
We do coach our cam models at Xmodels and we do have a dedicated team who is in direct contact with our models, providing them with technical support, tips and tricks about their profiles, background, lighting and how to adapt/improve their shows for the users of the site etc.. We do this along with providing articles and news about different coaching topics, however direct contact brings better results than a blog article or a simple reminder.

Since we've implemented this we've seen great results in what regards the quality of the shows, the quality of the profiles and also higher retention rate on both user and model side.
It does depends a lot on the models' will to learn and listen and how much she/he wants to be involved and to improve. Coaching has a good impact at all levels of models either we are talking about totally new models who just started camming, experienced and also "veterans". More over, coaching has an impact on the overall models' performance across different cam platforms. I say this because besides the tailored coaching for that particular site you can also change the perception of a model about the business itself ( mostly found on the new and sometimes also on experienced cam models).

Cams evolved a lot in the last few years, along with this the customers' expectations and demands. It is true that cam sites differ in style and approach and not all coaching tips given to the models may fit on all of them but certainty it has an impact on the models' psychic and the way they perceive themselves, the cam companies and most important their users.
The reaction we get in most of the cases when we contact models is a positive one, and our effort is appreciated. This way we not only improve the quality of our site's models but we also get our team members more motivated by the results they are getting.
I must admit that is not always a piece of cake, some models have it and some just don' t
Best,
Robin

The technical side should be easy and can be done with text like a blog or email. The personal side has to be done on a 1-1 basis. Bringing out the character and qualities a model has. It has to be done 1-1- because everyone is different.

As a content producer, I have very rarely had a girl reject advice on how to portray herself better to become a higher earner.

The reason this thread isn't more popular is this is a webmasters forum. The actual product is rarely discussed unless it's about the format or how hot a girl is.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It doesn't take teams of coaches.

But what would you know about managing people?

its always amusing to hear an ex camera tripod giving advice about webcams and managing people

you remind me of me when I opened my studio...you are so naive

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Not giving away anything.

Come out of retirement and offer a coaching service to a company. That could be fun.

One doesn't need to manage a camstudio to know how to motivate the girls who want to earn money in porn. It's something I learned in the studio while working as a model. Back in the 60s. And something I did in my studio for 4 decades. And something I did when I shot a scene for Manwin a few years ago.

With respect you're a webmaster.

"Custom Software Development, icq: 33375924 or woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details
Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager
Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager"

This is about people skills.

Troll successful


Btw I think given your original post there is a lot of money in paintdryingcams.com. Billion dollar idea. Are you available for consulting on it Paul?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

its always amusing to hear an ex camera tripod giving advice about webcams and managing people

you remind me of me when I opened my studio...you are so naive

Models are models. All different and need skilled management and directions.

your problem isn't the models or the webcams. It's you and your skillset. As for you running a studio. Maybe you clean up after the girls but that's it.

Give us proof, everyone knows who I am and what I've done.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by arock10

Troll successful


Btw I think given your original post there is a lot of money in paintdryingcams.com. Billion dollar idea. Are you available for consulting on it Paul?

If you need to be taught how to get the best out of models. Sure, hit me up.

Can you afford me? Seen your site and probably not.







Don't troll above your paygrade. LOL

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Models are models. All different and need skilled management and directions.

your problem isn't the models or the webcams. It's you and your skillset. As for you running a studio. Maybe you clean up after the girls but that's it.

Give us proof, everyone knows who I am and what I've done.

paul you have 50 years experience in not doing webcams...

you are naive to compare the 2...its easy to motivate somebody for one day like you did...the shooting lasts 2-3 hours, anybody can do this...but making a girl consistent and making her work 6-8 hours every working day, day in, day out, is a completely different story...

you can not give her social skills or cure her laziness and motivate her to be better with a few talks...if that was the case, psychiatric treatment would not take months or even years but only a few sessions...

you can give a girl some basic advice that is mostly technical stuff about lights and having a nice profile on the site...tell her not to show boobs for free etc...but you can not help her develop her own game when this is something that requires months and months of regular work...after months of this she will find a shit head broke ass boyfriend and he will convince her that she will do better at some shit head WL and they will both be broke and your time will be wasted...

bottom line: your time is better spent recruiting more models and going for quantity and not the naive ideas I had when I first started out...models do not want to be successful cam girls...they want a sugardaddy...they want to party...they ended up being models because they hate work...

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If you need to be taught how to get the best out of models. Sure, hit me up.

Can you afford me? Seen your site and probably not.







Don't troll above your paygrade. LOL

Damn, you even went through and pulled out the good content!

Don't let content quality fool you on earnings potential... It is all how you sell it ;) Buy low, sell high

[marlboroack]

Does that even matter anymore. Most are high trafficed sites.. so you pay and you tell em what to do? Unless you wanna talk to someone LOL

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by arock10

Damn, you even went through and pulled out the good content!

Don't let content quality fool you on earnings potential... It is all how you sell it ;) Buy low, sell high

That site reminded me of 1999.

I do agree that if you shoot 20 scenes a day and sell on sites like C4S. You can turn a money losing hobby into a break even one.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

That site reminded me of 1999.

I do agree that if you shoot 20 scenes a day and sell on sites like C4S. You can turn a money losing hobby into a break even one.

Yes, definitely don't make any money here. Please no one copy me, you will end up poor and working 25 hours a day

Why would someone just sell on C4S when they can just toss together paysites cheaply? Oh right because not a "webmaster"

Shooting marketable content is not the same as marketing content on the internet Paul. It is what a lot of porn producers including yourself don't understand. You could shoot good photo sets magazines would buy back in 1492... But that doesn't mean you know how to go out and market magazines. It's two separate products

[daTools]

Paul, I hear what you are saying but how can we get er done?

My personal favorites are some found on the AWE Fetish cam site. I set up a sub domain and in the process of finding some niche traffic to send to it. Thinking about doing Japan, Hong Kong, or Germany for a test run. AWE also has redirect pages for iphones and tablets. Check them out if you like a peek: Free Amateur Webcams!

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by daTools

Paul, I hear what you are saying but how can we get er done?

My personal favorites are some found on the AWE Fetish cam site. I set up a sub domain and in the process of finding some niche traffic to send to it. Thinking about doing Japan, Hong Kong, or Germany for a test run. AWE also has redirect pages for iphones and tablets. Check them out if you like a peek: Free Amateur Webcams!

The first thing to fix is the blank page. arock10 will tell you all the marketing in the world won't sell crap or blank pages.

[daTools]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The first thing to fix is the blank page. arock10 will tell you all the marketing in the world won't sell crap or blank pages.

I don't get it, the links work for me. Try their direct links
(Too bad you missed Charmingbaby last night)

https://www.liveprivates.com/en/chat/Charmingbaby? Must be asleep this morning Try:

https://www.liveprivates.com/en/chat/SlaveCadenc?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by arock10

Yes, definitely don't make any money here. Please no one copy me, you will end up poor and working 25 hours a day

Why would someone just sell on C4S when they can just toss together paysites cheaply? Oh right because not a "webmaster"

Shooting marketable content is not the same as marketing content on the internet Paul. It is what a lot of porn producers including yourself don't understand. You could shoot good photo sets magazines would buy back in 1492... But that doesn't mean you know how to go out and market magazines. It's two separate products

I heard that argument back in 1492 and it was BS then.

No doubt you are good at marketing that stuff. The problem is when the surfer hits the site and see you marketed crap. And leave.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Let me google that for you

The vast majority of models are hired as independent contractors.

The employment laws in the EU are even stricter than the laws in the US -- and more costly to employers with regard to mandated employee costs.

So, for those that have never run a real business -- that's why ...

If a studio should elect to classify its models as employees then they could train them.

[arock10]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I heard that argument back in 1492 and it was BS then.

No doubt you are good at marketing that stuff. The problem is when the surfer hits the site and see you marketed crap. And leave.

It's a micro niche volume game Paul. People can shoot the best looking porn in the world and the vast majority of surfers will still say "lol pay for porn" and leave.

You can't play armchair marketer because not everything can be rationalized, many trends are irrational.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by arock10

It's a micro niche volume game Paul. People can shoot the best looking porn in the world and the vast majority of surfers will still say "lol pay for porn" and leave.

You can't play armchair marketer because not everything can be rationalized, many trends are irrational.

No that's where you are wrong! He can and does play armchair marketer.. I think it's cause he is too old to get out of that old chair

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by arock10

It's a micro niche volume game Paul. People can shoot the best looking porn in the world and the vast majority of surfers will still say "lol pay for porn" and leave.

You can't play armchair marketer because not everything can be rationalized, many trends are irrational.

I know its micro niche. It's still not very good.

People can shoot the worst looking porn in the world, tell surfers it's great (without showing samples) and the vast majority of surfers when they see it will still say "lol pay for that" and leave.

You can't play pretend marketing with someone who did it for reaL.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by SBJ

No that's where you are wrong! He can and does play armchair marketer.. I think it's cause he is too old to get out of that old chair

I DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE OLD CHAIR.

Marketing is the art of creating something people need or want, then highlighting those points. Selling is convincing them they have to buy.

There was a time when the surfer would land on a crap site, be amazed he found it online and buy. I think it was 10.45 on the 17th April 1999.

Today unless the niche is so micro there's a big selection of suppliers. Also, micro-niche fans are very specific in what they like. As it's impossible to pass off a 34c model as big boobs, or a 35-year-old as a teen. Passing off micro niche porn as being right is hard. How many niches do you cater for?

Still as you insist, show us some of your marketing in action.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by daTools

I don't get it, the links work for me. Try their direct links
(Too bad you missed Charmingbaby last night)

https://www.liveprivates.com/en/chat/Charmingbaby? Must be asleep this morning Try:

https://www.liveprivates.com/en/chat/SlaveCadenc?

I missed them. will try to catch them.

Here's the problem. I land on any webcam site and see pictures like this of a girl.

Then I open her window and too often see a girl who is not looking at the camera, now dressed as sexy, looking bored and tapping onto a keyboard. The picture is the "marketing". It builds my expectations, then the product deflates any impulse I had.

Simple things like turning off or down that stupid music, going to live sound from the girl with her talking, doing something different than tapping on the keyboard, etc. Will increase sales, convert traffic better, get more affiliates, girls and $$$$.

Like Arock's site, no matter how much he pretends. He can't get past the fact the surfer's expectations and any impulse to buy are crushed when they see the product.

A lot of Free Live Sex Shows on LivePrivates.com girls have it right. Need some tips though like the camera pointing at the girl and not the ceiling.

[daTools]

Thanks for following up. The png pic looks like a cgi for an offline model. Usually, their main landing page has a grid of many models and you can hover over them for a mini live feed. Affiliates can also select which models to list an a page.

I think the cgi pic is what you get when you land on a specific model's page that is offline? I am impressed with the selection of talent they have but not sure if I would want to make a landing page with only some favorites.

Try searching for Charmingbaby, SlaveCadenc, etc or substitute their names in the urls.

Appreciate it

[Relic]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The headline should say manage models, not mange them. LOL

Paul Markham why are you spreading the mange to models?

[incredibleworkethic]

I agree a lot of times the user is let down. I actually enjoy the LiveJasmin product the most in terms of quality. Chaturbate close second and Camgasm needs to pickup its game.

[daTools]

Originally Posted by incredibleworkethic

I agree a lot of times the user is let down. I actually enjoy the LiveJasmin product the most in terms of quality. Chaturbate close second and Camgasm needs to pickup its game.

I tried others and still have an old account with videosecrets but was never able to match the conversions. I get good results with the jasmine sites like I used to get with interclimax. Like 500 clicks in a few days after doing a minimal promotion. So much more competition now

[iSpyCams]

I think the training and coaching is minimal. Mainly because there are so many cam models out there and most don't stick around long. Much easier to focus on the ones who can figure it out for themselves.

Any investment in training is likely to be lost just cause the girl will very likely move along shortly, assuming she's got the ability to be trained in the first place.

I still do what I can for each model I work with, but it seems that as soon as they have a good week they take some time off until they are desperate again, always playing catch up instead of developing solid work habits and a sustainable routine.

There are exceptions of course, but most of the exceptions don't need to work in a studio, they are fine on their own.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by daTools

Thanks for following up. The png pic looks like a cgi for an offline model. Usually, their main landing page has a grid of many models and you can hover over them for a mini live feed. Affiliates can also select which models to list an a page.

I think the cgi pic is what you get when you land on a specific model's page that is offline? I am impressed with the selection of talent they have but not sure if I would want to make a landing page with only some favorites.

Try searching for Charmingbaby, SlaveCadenc, etc or substitute their names in the urls.

Appreciate it

You're welcome.

We mustn't just look at the webcam site. We have to consider the promotion as well. If great images are being used for boring girls .The come down is extreme. No one would do that for videos, is it being done for Camsites?

Obviously for those that use clips of girls at work, do they select the most interesting or the least interesting? girls that work their own promotion can pre-sell themselves, will they look attractive and luring when promoting or boring as if they want to go home? We have to consider this as an entire.

These things are all pretty simple, but so many girls are not be told how to increase their earning, the sites earnings and the affiliates.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Relic

Paul Markham why are you spreading the mange to models?

Because so many girls need managing. Would you send traffic to a site thit didn't do it's utmost to convert that traffic?

[daTools]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because so many girls need managing. Would you send traffic to a site thit didn't do it's utmost to convert that traffic?

Okay, but where do we find these cam girls that have their shit (mange/manage) together? At least the girls at AWE won't be spreading anything they don't already have
wink wink