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Paul Markham · 01-16-2017, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

hahahaaaaa - that was the fucking best idea i heard up to now.

and i am pretty sure YOU wil know how to find the good old customers on the graveyard.

my dear god how ignorant can humans be .....

what i really love in this business is that mass of ignorants because that makes it so fucking easy to make money.

it is really not that i wanted to change your mind - i just wanted to show you that there is also another view on things as to sit at home and being mad with the world because success went other ways.

but if you prefer to suffer - suffer - i don´t do it !

the music industry did so many years the same as you and lost billions. now they start to wake up and i think the guys from 15 years ago sitting at home and doubt, that this money is real.

greetings

thommy

I know the more people using Ad Blockers, the more you suffer. But affiliates would go back to making money like they used to.

In my time online I've seen ratios go from 1-50 to 1-50,000. Because traffic selling/buying funds enough free porn to kills the reason to buy for millions.

All you can do is call people names and nothing else.

Relating porn to the music industry is another fail on your part. But keep talking up selling traffic. Most people here know the truth.

Google Expert · 01-16-2017, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

3. they safe money because the time to maintain a big campiagn with 100.000 clicks per day or more, nedds the same (if not less) worktime as a campiagn with 100 clicks per day.

They would also lose more $$$ when you fuck them in the ass, so instead of testing and losing $100 on your shit-trafffic-click-bot network, they lose $10,000

Go fuck yourself.

Google Expert · 01-16-2017, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

At the same time adult traffic networks came along and for the affiliates that still had traffic it made a lot more sense to put an iframe from a traffic network than an individual banner for a individual paysite site. The traffic networks made the affiliates more money again, because they fully optimize the traffic, something the affiliates didn't know how to do. Like for example why would you send a user on a mobile phone from India to a paysite where the chance he signs up is almost zero while if you send him to a one click direct carrier biller offer you can easily get a few bucks out of him.

So most of the old school affiliates that survived are now just publishers for the adult networks. There are probably not many publishers left that have high traffic sites that promote individual paysites, unless they are working in very specific niches. .

Wrong.

If i have high traffic site, i would make more money optimizing the ads myself, instead of blindly sending it to shit networks who send your traffic god knowы where, steal from you, and pay you $0.1 on a dollar.

There is a reason a new "traffic broker network" pops up every week. They fuck affiliates in the ass and make huge money on it by stealing quality traffic and selling shit traffic. Optimize your own traffic and be in control, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Barry-xlovecam · 01-16-2017, 07:49 AM

Paul you are a former Troll of the Year winner and out of business now for years.

You have no affiliates we have a few thousand active affiliates.

You know fuck all that interests me.

You wanted attention -- you got it.

Konda · 01-16-2017, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

Wrong.

If i have high traffic site, i would make more money optimizing the ads myself

Impossible, there is no way you can do this yourself and make more than a network like for example Exo or TJ can make you. They have 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs, devices, keywords, etc. There is no way you can do that yourself.

I do agree, there are lots of shady advertisers/offers and the networks might take some cuts here and there, and that's not a good thing, but looking purely at earnings per impression there is 100% no way you can manually/internally make what an ad network would make you.

Konda · 01-16-2017, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

hahahaaaaa - that was the fucking best idea i heard up to now.

Don't bother talking sense into Paul, he lives in a different reality.
He is either a very very good Troll or he is really believing in the things he says.
Check his sig lol he's promoting an ad network....

Google Expert · 01-16-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

Impossible, there is no way you can do this yourself and make more than a network like for example Exo or TJ can make you. They have 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs, devices, keywords, etc. There is no way you can do that yourself.

I do agree, there are lots of shady advertisers/offers and the networks might take some cuts here and there, and that's not a good thing, but looking purely at earnings per impression there is 100% no way you can manually/internally make what an ad network would make you.

All their ads get adblocked, mine don't.

My own ads also don't ban me in google for hijacking peoples browsers (the ad networks can't control it).

I also did tests and my own ad rotations or direct ad-spot sales bring way more money than shitty iframe ad networks.

So thanks, but no thanks.

thommy · 01-16-2017, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

All their ads get adblocked, mine don't.

My own ads also don't ban me in google for hijacking peoples browsers (the ad networks can't control it).

I also did tests and my own ad rotations or direct ad-spot sales bring way more money than shitty iframe ad networks.

So thanks, but no thanks.

why you say ALL ?
did you test ALL ?

my publishers haven´t been blocked from google yet and i NEVER had a hijack-idiot on my network. and you know why? because i know my advertisers since years and years and i am very picky with every new one.

but anyway you have your experience and i have mine and i pay a lot of publishers 3 times more money per month as they made before AND without cheating on them.

but i know that you know ALL and have tried everything. i think when i started this biz you was still in school and maybe it would be better if you would stay there a few years longer just to learn, that you can not know ALL.

greetings

thommy

Google Expert · 01-16-2017, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

i think when i started this biz you was still in school and maybe it would be better if you would stay there a few years longer just to learn, that you can not know ALL.

greetings

thommy

Yeah i'll stay in school and stick to my own generated traffic and hand targeted ads, thanks for the tip

thommy · 01-16-2017, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

Yeah i'll stay in school and stick to my own generated traffic and hand targeted ads, thanks for the tip

nice stats and you do that already a few days. but believe me if you take the reccurings out your cvr results are low middleclass.
so i think you do NOT know all :-)

but all in all it is not bad what you are doing.

greetings

thommy

Google Expert · 01-16-2017, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

nice stats and you do that already a few days. but believe me if you take the reccurings out your cvr results are low middleclass.
so i think you do NOT know all :-)

but all in all it is not bad what you are doing.

greetings

thommy

I've been doing this for the last 12 years. But it was more and easier back in the day.

Anyway, it's more than i can spend so i don't complain.

Barry-xlovecam · 01-16-2017, 11:16 AM

Beaver1 · 01-19-2017, 07:47 PM

make more money than affialites.

Is beause the networks own the programms and payment systems.

Best regards

fuzebox · 01-19-2017, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

if you take the reccurings out your cvr results are low middleclass.

Those are from his own product with a trial price point. The recurrings are kind of his income....

john1975 · 01-19-2017, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thommy

i disagree with that because i am long enough in this industry to see the changes going on.
i was starting 1997 as an affilaite webmaster when everybody sold his traffic and i made damnded good money.

i was doing my own affiliate programms from 2001 til 2012 and i made good money with it.

today i would not do one of the 2 things because i have learned that trafficmarketing have serveral ways to make money on but you have to know how.

believe me i am able to make money with gay products on straight sites the only thing i need is a mass of users. and you will never be able to generate masses.

when you are strictly looking for traffic of a niche you miss all the other preferences.

that is the same as you would state that a user from a weather site can´t be interessted in porn or cars or whatever.

sure you will have a much better CVR but from what ?
you might have 100 users and make one sale. i might have 1 million users and make 1000 sales with very different products.

if your niche is burned out you can delete all your hard build pages - i only switch in one second to another product.

have you ever seen that in a TV-commecial break of a science fiction they sell only star wars masks? porn is a magnet for millions and millions of people with ALL KIND of consumption.

and YES especially in the past few days i had a look into some stats of so called affiliate webmasters and i was crying when i saw what they make with their websites.

when i look in the stats of some of my publishers who just focus on making traffic and see 5 and 6 digit payouts every month and they do not even spend a minute in investigation what sells and what not, I ask you what YOU understand from a good affiliate income.

believe me - you do not have to explain me how internet works - i am 20 years in that biz and i always made good money. but i did not make it with concepts what are definately and logicly dead. i made it always with a far view into tomorrow.

greetings

thommy

from what you've wrote in this thread, I truly believe you have a mountain of knowledge from the past to the now. Which is very benefecial to notice the changes, but also with Advertising as well as you say.

I recommend others take our advice here as well. Seriously "get" to know them and how they distribute their traffic...if they start blockin you, tell them you'll quit advertising then.. sometimes works...sometimes doesnt.... but basic sense here : never go for what programs that their initially pushing...their trying to get their top dollar off you....and making u look like a fool in the process....sending you junk traffic. Be legit, be straitup , and question EVERY single visitor if things don't look right. Find the section where u can block / restrict certain types of ads...make sure their very thorough, if not....leave the place. keep asking questions when u don't understand something fully as well.

Paul Markham · 01-20-2017, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Paul you are a former Troll of the Year winner and out of business now for years.

You have no affiliates we have a few thousand active affiliates.

You know fuck all that interests me.

You wanted attention -- you got it.

When you lack a decent argument, why do you resort to insults?

Everyone knows the porn industry is in decline. It's replaced the $billions made from recorded porn to promoting Cam Sites and Dating. Both of which are under threat from adapting to ways of reducing reliance on affiliates.

Google Expert points out the reason why. Going direct is more profitable than going via middle men.

Paul Markham · 01-20-2017, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

Wrong.

If i have high traffic site, i would make more money optimizing the ads myself, instead of blindly sending it to shit networks who send your traffic god knowы where, steal from you, and pay you $0.1 on a dollar.

There is a reason a new "traffic broker network" pops up every week. They fuck affiliates in the ass and make huge money on it by stealing quality traffic and selling shit traffic. Optimize your own traffic and be in control, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

Anyone with skills to build up a lot of traffic doesn't need middle men.

Paul Markham · 01-20-2017, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

Impossible, there is no way you can do this yourself and make more than a network like for example Exo or TJ can make you. They have 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs, devices, keywords, etc. There is no way you can do that yourself.

I do agree, there are lots of shady advertisers/offers and the networks might take some cuts here and there, and that's not a good thing, but looking purely at earnings per impression there is 100% no way you can manually/internally make what an ad network would make you.

It relies on ratios and cuts the brokers take.

GE isn't looking for 100s of advertisers all targeting different GEOs. He's looking for what's best for his traffic. I'm sure he's able to look after Devices and Key Words without a broker.

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Originally Posted by Konda

Don't bother talking sense into Paul, he lives in a different reality.

To talk me around to your POV, you have to come up with a good argument.

Paul Markham · 01-20-2017, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by thommy

why you say ALL ?
did you test ALL ?

my publishers haven´t been blocked from google yet and i NEVER had a hijack-idiot on my network. and you know why? because i know my advertisers since years and years and i am very picky with every new one.

but anyway you have your experience and i have mine and i pay a lot of publishers 3 times more money per month as they made before AND without cheating on them.

but i know that you know ALL and have tried everything. i think when i started this biz you was still in school and maybe it would be better if you would stay there a few years longer just to learn, that you can not know ALL.

greetings

thommy

Money talks Bullshit walks.

Affiliates including GE have a price per 1,000 on what their traffic makes. If you can do better, state a price that you will pay.

My Ad Blocker blocks most ads, so anyone who claims they can beat them is bullshitting. However, if they want to show us proof they can beat Ad Blockers, they need to put up or shut up.

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Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Paul you are a former Troll of the Year winner and out of business now for years. You have no affiliates we have a few thousand active affiliates. You know fuck all that interests me. You wanted attention -- you got it.