Bladewire

Vladimir Putin was a KGB Foreign Intelligence Officer for 16 years, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel. The last two most viable opponents to his presidency were shot and killed, as well as outspoken media opponents, leaders of protests etc.

Strange how Giuliani had all those juicy FBI leaks about Clinton and Republicans ate it up along with emails stolen by Russian foreign inteligence but when it comes to leaks about Trump we can't trust these corrupt agencies. Peculiar. I hope you continue not to Trust Nunes. Nunes has been in office 13 years, he's a swamp lifer. Trump chose Nunes the swamp dweller for his transition team, why?

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Yep Putin was a KGB agent. Bad man.
Also the guy who is the leader of the second most powerful military in the world.

We have two choices...antagonize him and keep tensions high OR work with him and try to keep him on our side.

Pres. Clinton worked with him in his last year in office. Bush worked with him. Obama worked with him (remember Hillary and the ridiculous plastic red "reset" button).
Now Trump wants to work with him.

What do you suggest? Would you like to see the U.S. put more sanctions on Russia and put even more military in place in Eastern Europe (boy the big military industrial complex would LOVE that), and get tensions for WW3 running at an all-time high?

Seriously. Is that how far you and the Democrat party are willing to take it because they are so angry over Hillary losing the Presidency?

Think about it.

And while we gear up for war with Russia...the extreme Islamists are laughing their asses off as they watch the two "Great Satans" destroy each other.

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Bladewire

Ummmm Republicans overwhelmingly support sanctions on Putin, for years now. As a matter of fact they've created a bill to stop Trump from removing sanctions without their approval it's The Russia Sanctions Review Act of 2017. In 2015 they did the same thing to Obama for the Iran deal.

Putin fucked up by interfering in our election the way he did. I'd feel exactly the same if it was Trump, because I don't like Putin, he's a dictator. I don't like how he sponsor conspiracy and misinformation operations like Infowars & the rest, it's an insidious mindset to the core.

Rochard

You understand that tensions are high because Russia invaded and occupied a foreign country, right?

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LOL that pretty much sums it up so far.. the only thing he has managed to do is go play golf 12 times so far and go on vacations every single weekend. Here is yet another kicker... One out of every three days Trump has been in the White House, he has visited a Trump property at expensive of the US tax payers..

Just think about that.. 1 out of 3 days he has cost US tax payers unnecessary expense by visiting one of his properties which he lied to US citizens and said he'd have nothing at all to do with his business while in office.

Of course that's no big deal for Robbie you know Robbie the guy who whined endlessly about govt spending under Obama..


Personally I hope I'm 100% wrong about this topic. I hope Trump turns out top be the best POTUS ever and he fixes all sort of shit we need fixed. I hope he isn't impeached and I hope he's not a traitor who dealt with the Russians to secure his election. I really hope it's all fake news, because I care more about my country than about how much Republicans suck...

But sadly I'm betting this will all come true as everything is currently pointing in that direction and yes of course we already know Republicans suck..

crockett

That totally slipped his mind, you know because somehow it's really all Obama's fault..

Rochard

Can you show me exactly where in the Constitution it uses the term "masking" or "unmasking"?

No US citizen was wiretapped. This is where the term "incidental surveillance" comes into play.

The United States government (and all other governments) constantly monitor, listen in on, wire tap, intercept communications, of all foreign agents in the US and overseas. This has been done constantly since the end of WWII.

You understand it was the Russian ambassador that was wiretapped, right?

This is incorrect and you are making assumptions here.

If I call someone in Russia, and they determine it was a routine business call or a personal call they mask or hide my information. This information may or may not be passed to other agencies. Being as no crime has been committed, there is no reason to retain such information, and it would be an invasion of my privacy to have my private conversation and assigned to me for no reason.

However, if I call someone in Russia and plot against the United States government, they open up an investigation. They surely don't mask information at that point.

When routine surveillance takes place they mask names because no crimes have taken place. However, when surveillance leads to a crime, they open an investigation and no one's name is masked.

I did some research on this....

IS IT ILLEGAL TO UNMASK AN AMERICAN'S NAME?

No.

"There is nothing inappropriate about unmasking when it is appropriate to unmask," said Benjamin Wittes, a senior Brookings Institution fellow and editor-in-chief of the Lawfare blog.

In the context of the Flynn example, Wittes said, the U.S. is surveilling a foreign target ? in this case Russian Ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak. The target, Kislyak, is contacted by an American who is the incoming national security adviser in the new administration ? Michael Flynn ? and that American is discussing the future administration's policy.

Wittes says it is easy to see where identifying this American is important to foreign intelligence.

"I don't think there's anything surprising that it got unmasked," Wittes said.

They wire tapped the Russian spy's phone and picked up multiple calls. If these calls were friendly and they only wished each other a Merry Christmas, the names would have been masked and thus forgotten. If they decide a crime has taken place they open up an investigation. They cannot have an investigation if they cannot reveal who they are investigating.

It's not illegal, and it's not unconstitutional.

No, this is not a case of someone using our spy agency to hurt their political opponent. There is no proof of this. You can try to argue Obama opened the flood gates before he left office, but in the same exact breath you can argue Obama believes our (then) future president worked with the Russian government to steal the election. Your argument doesn't even make sense - Trump is not a political opponent; He is the President.

No, it's not whistle blowing. It's an investigation.

It's more like our government investigating into the highest office in the land has been handed over to our enemies.

If ANY of this is remotely true then the President of the United States has opened himself up to blackmail by a foreign power.

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Robbie

Are you fucking serious?

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Robbie

This is like talking to a fence post.
The REASON THAT US CITIZENS ARE MASKED IN INCIDENTAL SURVEILLANCE IS BECAUSE THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A FISA COURT WARRANT TO UNMASK THE OR PUT THEM UNDER SURVEILLANCE IN ANY WAY.

AND NO NO NO NO...NUNES SAID THE TRANSCRIPTS HE READ HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR

Holy fucking shit man.

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Rochard

Yes. Show me exactly where in the Constitution where it discusses masking or unmasking.

This is how it works. I do research that backs up my position and provide links, and you... Just ask if I am serious.

So, show me where in the Constitution it discusses masking or unmasking.

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TheSquealer

So show him where in the Constitution is says trafficking cocaine is illegal.

You understand there are these things called Laws right?

You're aware of their existence? At all?

You are quite literally the dumbest person on this board. Day in and day out, you put it on display with a sort of misplaced pride.

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Robbie

Richard that is the dumbest thing you have ever said.
Yes, you are protected by the constitution from illegal search.
Yes, the Supreme Court ruled long ago that it's unconstitutional for the govt. to wiretap citizens without a warrant. Yes, if you accidentally pick up a citizen while spying it is unconstitutional and illegal to show their names even to the head of the spy agency.

I asked if you were serious because I wanted to believe you knew that. 😑

Rochard

Can you show me where this is a law?

If incidental surveillance turns up a potential crime, it becomes an investigation. At that point they do not mask names. The only reason there is any masking of names is protect privacy. When an investigation takes place, there is much less of a need to protect privacy. In very simple terms, if I am under investigation, there is not need to protect my privacy in reports.

You do not seem to understand the difference between incidental surveillance and an investigation. Allow me to explain it to you again.

If I call Russia and the NSA listens in, and they discover it is a routine business call they mask my name only because there is no reason to risk an invasion of my privacy when no crime was committed.

However, in the event of incidental surveillance that turns up a crime.... They don't mask anything because they are investigating a crime. They cannot investigate a crime if they cannot record the name of the person they are investigating.

This story broke while I was at Phoenix Forum, so I am not sure what he said. Or what he saw. From what I've read he hasn't told us what he read or what he saw.

Here is exactly what he said:

First, I recently confirmed that on numerous occasions, the intelligence community incidentally collected information about U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition. Details about persons associated with the incoming administration, details with little apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in intelligence community reporting. Third, I have confirmed that additional names of Trump transition team members were unmasked. And fourth and finally, I want to be clear, none of this surveillance was related to Russia, or the investigation of Russian activities, or of the Trump team.

This really doesn't tell us anything. We don't know who collected it, we don't know what was collected, who it was collected on, we don't know why it was collected, or what the information contained.

The statement itself doesn't even make sense and it contradicts itself. He said it involved "U.S. citizens involved in the Trump transition" but then said "none of this surveillance was related to..... The Trump team".

This could be something as simple as someone on the Trump team made a phone call to China, it was caught up in incidental surveillance, and was unmasked for one of a dozen reasons.

We should have an investigation into this. It seems he viewed this classified information at the White House. Why was he allowed to see this information, who gave him access to it, who is handing out unmasked classified information, and why did this all happen at the White House?

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Rochard

Oh lord.

Yes, The Constitution protects us from illegal searches. However, if they legally have wiretapped someone (such someone who works for the Russian government) and through Incidental surveillance they discover a crime takes place, it is clearly legal for them to investigate.

I am still waiting for you to show me where it is illegal to unmask names in such cases. They mask names to protect privacy when no crime has been committed. This way my name isn't in a database 260 times for no reason when no crime has been committed. When they discover a crime has been committed through Incidental surveillance there is zero reason for them to mask anything.

You still haven't shown me any links about the legality of unmasking names. I am waiting for your research.

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Rochard

Here is something else to think about....

The person in charge of investigating the Trump campaign and resulting transition team is Nunes. Turns out Nunes was on the transition team. Nunes is technically in charge of investigating himself.

He needs to be completely removed from this investigation.

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OneHungLo

Surprise surprise..you're wrong...as usual. Any more predictions Nostradamus?

crockett

Someone's pussy is hurt...


Sorry dumbass, how could I or anyone have know how corrupt the Republican party has become.

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OneHungLo

Hurt? lol Your dumb ass hasn't been right about a single fucking thing yet. It's comedy watching you unhinged losers lose every day over and over.

Bladewire

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DraX

According to thread title impeachment is just around the corner, no MAGA is happening.

Why do the same people today throw the 25th amendment in my face when I ask when's impeachment happening?

I'm just a clueless foreigner...

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OneHungLo

It's the only country I hold citizenship in.

Nope I love it. As a matter of fact i'm always posting positive news stories about our economy and you being the America hater you are always come in and shit on them.

Nope I love it. My ancestors come from Europe.

It's a cult that needs to be wiped from this earth.

Jews are hardworking, educated and non-criminals. Jews are A-ok in my book.

Nope I don't hate minorities. I do think we have enough here and unfortunately they do commit a lot of crime so I'm against importing any black or brown people unless they're educated and vetted.


I have 3 dogs. I love dogs. I just hate the dogs that kills 20-30k other dogs and livestock a year (aka pit bulls). I hate the dogs that were created for one purpose: to kill other dogs (aka pit bulls).

Nah that's your area of expertise. Nothing against it, just not my thing.


Let me throw in i'm for gay marriage / gay rights / pro-choice / pro-legal immigration /

celandina

I' ll go with that in general, except I hold CDN passport

And as to wiping the cult....I would settle for give up the cult, convert or go back to the dunes..

TheSquealer

you'd think that a group of people making daily predictions for failure, who have never once been right, would eventually pause and do a little self reflection.

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SIK

Hah, I'm surprised such title was approved by CNN editors

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Why dont you quit squealing boy

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TheSquealer

Why don't you guys start talking about actual things that voters care about ?

You're going to lose in november. You're going to lose in 2020 because you do nothing but throw childish temper tantrums every single day about things voters care nothing about, while patting each other on the back for throwing the better temper tantrum.

It's not even Trump beating you guys, you're doing it to yourselves with your abhorrent, out of touch, tone deaf behavior

Unemployment just hit a 50 year low under Trump. As usual, Democrats and the left could care less. Barely newsworthy. Certainly not discussed much. After all, when you don't truly care about the nation or the people, why would you?

A lot of great things are happening all while the left is crying and whining and bitching and posturing and virtue signaling about things no one cares about except the far left.

And what is your message? Things are horrible. Terrible. Only bad and getting worse. Resist everything, all the time. Revolt.

And you think someone else, who is aggressively working on carrying out his political agenda which he was elected for, is the greater threat to the nation? Voters don't agree with you. You guys haven't even been bothered to give voters something to vote for.

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thommy

seems you are right in regards that trump isn´t that easy to stop.
so we have to wait til the economy breaks down (what isn´t a fast but predictable thing).

america now looks for me like germany in the 30s - it started with a small group of narcist egocentrics and we all know where it endet up.

the problem is not when one wants to be fist - the problem comes when all wants to be first and all are forcing it with the same methods of not caring the other.
it will end where it have to end.
so the best would be when the economy rules would work a bit faster as they usually do to stop such a final. at least all indicators making hope.

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Robbie

And that was never more apparent than in the last 2 weeks in the Senate.

Wow...the Dems were looking pretty good for the mid-terms. Then they showed how insane they are on national television for the last 2 weeks. And now the Republican base is fired up over it.

Good job!

You know, I said after the election that the Democrats needed to be positive. They needed to JOIN in with the President on his economic plans.
The Democrat Party was once the party of the working man.

Now it's the Republican Party. Bringing manufacturing jobs back. Killing NAFTA with the new USMCA deal that is a boon to the Unions and working men and women across this country.

The Democrats should have been a part of all of this.

But nope. #resist has further decimated them.

During the Obama years the Democrat Party lost over 1,000 seats nationwide in Federal, State, and Local offices.

This COULD have been their comeback year.

But who in the hell wants to vote for higher taxes, higher healthcare costs, and torpedoing the trade deals that are going to be incredibly beneficial?

The Democrat Party has nothing to run on except: "Hate Trump...#resist"

Good luck with that.

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Bladewire

Robbie is cocky, and wrong, as usual. The October surprise is about to drop soon

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Can anything ever be similar to anything in time other than Germany in the 30s? Everything is "Germany in the 30s". No it isn't. It isn't even vaguely like Germany in the 30s. If anything it's like America in the 1850s.

ilnjscb

How would you know? Are you in the inner circle of the democrat party? I know you must be on a few lefty boards, probably on reddit, cause you parrot a lot of what they say, but have you got any real facts?

Give us a hint and if it comes true we'll respect your power and weight within the upper echelons of the democrat party.

OneHungLo

How do you vote inline with these lying liberal lunatics? I was a registered democrat for over 20 years.

Remember this?



Look how far they have come. I'll probably never vote D again. The Democrats have been over run with these insane leftists that want open borders, many felonies and other serious crimes no long prosecuted, more free handouts for lazy layabouts, increased taxes, globalism, people silenced that they don't agree with...it's nuts.


Dude just walkaway. You have to be thinking that, right?

Bladewire

You are very bitchy today. I didn't demean you in anyway, nor did I address you. Your attack hate comments are duly noted. I'll be sure to hit back with out of the blue attacks on your stupidity in the future now that I know that's where you're coming from.

The last thing I would do is tell troll scum like you where else I contribute online. You were wrong on all accounts. Not surprising.

TheSquealer

Remember, "all women should be believed" according to Democrats,... unless its the many women who accused Bill Clinton of rape who actually had credible stories and witnesses and who Hillary spent her time in the White House attacking as liars. But yeah,.. other than that,... you know, they all must be believed.

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OneHungLo

You're part of the unhinged left i'm sure he's trying to disassociate himself with but it's futile... you loons have over taken the party.

Bladewire

You have a severe mental disability

Democrats aren't like you, we have our own separate minds and opinions

Your false equivalencies to distract from Trump shows how deep your disability goes.

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TheSquealer

And donations to Republicans went through the roof as well. What a mess. Crazy that Democrats are this tone deaf to actual voter concerns and have let the most insane lunatics become their voice.

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crockett

Way to go Robbie.. you got a far right relgious nutter on the Supreme Court.. better hope they dont start prosecuting obscenity again..

If they do, I hope you're 1st..

lovebitch

This trump guy is fucking our currency with his stupid trade wars, what a fucking piece of shit

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Your threads are worthless

OneHungLo

Sorry but he's putting America first. Get used to it till at least 2024...and if we're lucky he's grooming Ivanka to take us to 2032.

ilnjscb

Hit back, motherfucker! You calling me troll scum? I've been on this board for 9 fuckin years. Hit me with everything you got you pussy ass bitch!

I've been civil to you so far but now you threaten me when I ask you a question? Fuck you you tired bitch! You're the troll - who got banned two weeks ago you crazy ass schizophrenic?

Hey piece of shit, what about your connections to the Hollywood city council? What happened with that? Nothing - because people who wear pig masks on youtube don't know a goddamn thing.

You're a fucking waste and you don't know when or how to be civil. Put me on ignore you worthless cunt.

Fuck you bitch!

grumpy

Didnt see anything in that direction.

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DraX

Happens to the best, sooner or later you get targeted by the blue wave police. Happened to me during the election, I was civil BW found it difficult I supported Trump for whatever reasons I may have. It's hard to imagine he is nice outside internet, perhabs he is what do I know. But the online image he's upholding displays more or less some severe issues.

I try live by following rule whatever I say to someone online I should also be able to face to face. I know I'm not perfect though, but being politically incorrect "in real life" has its own price.

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crockett

This post was made 2 months in when we thought Republicans still had at least a oz of ethics and decency.. Who knew they were spineless scumbags who hate American values..

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from Drudge

Republicans fear Democratic 'blue wave' spreading to once-safe districts

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1MI0VW

SIK

You know, what Democrats are now doing in USA is exactly what RIGHT wing did in Croatia some years ago. Identical thing, same methods.

Chronologically, from few years ago:

- we had a LEFT government, pretty solid one, economy was growing, all was good, slow progress but progress none the less
- RIGHT opposition starts their fear mongering campaign, claiming that current (LEFT) government is "Pro-Serbian" and "working for Serbs"
- RIGHT mobilizes war veterans for gigantic "anti government" and "anti Serbia" protests (seriously, it was ridiculous, those veterans were protesting like crazy and they never even told anyone why and what, just "down with Serbian government in croatia")
- country got divided 50/50 to this date, half of people are shocked by idiotic "Serbian collusion" claim and other half is certain that the RIGHT is saving the country from Serbian rule
- RIGHT took over government in 2016
- 2016-2018 we now have some of the biggest corruption scandals since independence and it is fully visible that RIGHT took charge just for their own benefit and to get rich in the process


Now.. this isn't my opinion, this is political history of Croatia from aprox 2014 - 2018.

Fellow Americans, you're welcome to tell me if it reminds you of anything in your own country.

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