crockett

This is what your Republican dindos have done for you if they manage to pass Trumpcare which is more expensive than Obamacare..

Pregnancy price will skyrocket 425% for money paid out of pocket. If you decide to have a child, with "zero" complications you will be paying out of pocket $17,060.00 That's a surcharge for having a kid that you will be paying out of pocket.. Only fucking Republicans could come up with a tax for having a fucking kid!!!


If you happen to get lung or brain cancer you will be paying $71,880 out of pocket..
Metastatic cancer will cost you $140k
Kidney or other cancers you will be out of pocket $28k
Middle aged person with autism will be paying $5.4k for coverage..
Diabetes = $5,5k a year extra..
Asthma = $4k extra
Arthritis= $26k..
(these are all surcharges added to your insurance premiums under Trumpcare)

Basically they are adding surcharges to your premiums if you have a health issue..


Republicans are great MAGA all the time!!!


Trumpcare equals risk free business for insurance companies. You pay them a premium each month and then when you need to use your insurance you pay for the bill as well.. After all why should the insurance companies get shafted if you can't stay healthy. Just give them your money bitch, stop whining you socialist, pull your bootstraps up cancer boy!

This is pure comedy.. This is what you fucking idiots voted for...

just a punk

You pay even to have a child? $17,060 for pregnancy?

Barbarians...

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crockett

Yes Republicans want to tax having children. Someone has to pay for the wall!!!

Barry-xlovecam

Look at the bright side -- if this happens the Republicans will lose 5 million+ votes nationally in 2018 and 2020.

Enjoy the Pyrrhic Victory ...

just a punk

In my poor country the government pays you for making kids. The families here receive 200,000 .. 700,000 RUB (it's about $3,500 .. $11,800 USD) for a second, third and subsequent children. And that's not a joke.

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woj

you are missing the point, nothing is less or more "expensive"... the actual cost is exactly the same, the whole debate is about who will pay for it... whether you will pay for your own healthcare costs, or if you will manage to trick some sucker to pay for it...

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crockett

In the US there is a tax credit if you have kids, like 2,5k I think (I dunno I have no kids) anyway even if you didn't pay 2.5k in taxes you still get a return of that 2.5k per kid up to 3..

This is one of the reasons every low income family you see has 3 fucking kids because they get as much as $7-10k (combing other deductions) back in taxes at the end of the year even if they work some shitty as job at McDonalds..

Obviously this Trumpcare kid tax via the insurance companies is aimed at low income child factories..(they come in all flavors black, white, brown, but Republicans always seem to think it's only the blacks & the browns doing it)

crockett

Why pay insurance if you have to pay the bill anyway? It's very obvious what is going on here.. The insurance companies are paying nothing but transferring the bill directly to you so why pay for insurance?

Keep making excuses for their failure though after all this is what YOU voted for right?

Paul Markham

American pregnacy cost goes up 425% over rest of the civilised world & otherstuff too.

If Americans insist on being robbed, the robber barons will rob them.

Get wise you fools. Fly to Europe and get it done for free.

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The irony is that among people that are over 50 years-old that voted for Trump 40% to 60% are either going to be paying a lot more for healthcare insurance or will not be able to afford insurance.

They got Chumped.

Busty2

This will also apply to those who have retired on Medicare, its not free you will still have to pay part B @ $132 a month plus Part D and on top of that you will have to pay the out of pocket expenses Crockett noted above. If you go on Medicaid you will have a lien placed on any property you own until the out of pocket is paid in full or when you died they take your home and sell it . This system is very fucked up.

crockett

You are the foreigner chanting about how great Trump is.. This is what he's trying to get passed and now you blame us for his failures..

woj

no one is forcing you to buy insurance, if you feel it doesn't provide a good value, then don't buy it... oh, wait... someone fucked up that logic recently...

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crockett

Yea I wont blame Trump for the Medicaid part as far as liens go.. That's been going on a long time. We had to get my grandparents house out of their name before they went on Medicare or else they would of lost their house.. It's a pretty fucked up system which has been stealing peoples estates for years.. You pay the medicare tax all your working life and then they take your shit at the end on top of it..

This is why wealth is no longer built on from generation to generation in the middle & lower clases because the system has been rigged..

However these new "surcharges" will now allow insurance companies to do the same.. You can't afford to pay your cancer treatment surcharge, the insurance company can put a lien on your house or estate.. I bet you anything that's gonna be part of this... They will take you to court for the unpaid surcharges and get a court approved lien on your assets..

The Dumb dumbs can't even begin to realize what a fucking mess they have voted for.. They will just blame it on Democrats, because they have the brain capacity of a fucking gold fish..

Busty2

Flawed logic, for example if i, as a British citizen became ill in the USA and had to have an emergency operation i was told by NHS that i would have to be resident in the UK for a minimum of 6 months before i became eligible for NH treatment even though i am a UK citizen. Now if i fell ill while on a trip to the UK it would be different but flying back with the knowledge that i needed medical help, then you are still fucked, according to the NHS. I have a letter from them from 2007 showing that.

Barry-xlovecam

EXACTLY!

I can afford to put away $30K cash and fund FSA and HSA accounts at the rate of $10K per year tax deferred (on current income tax) for paying normal medical expenses and buy excess catastrophic health insurance -- with a $30K deductible cheap (if they repeal Obamacare). In 3 years I will be 65 and get Medicare. Good luck to you -- my benefit is vested at 65. I have the money to survive this.

Why should I care if you bleed to death in the street?

Busty2

The caveat to that is as long as you pay something, i.e. $10 a month they cannot do a thing to you. That is until Chump changes the law !

crockett

Hey do you know people with out insurance cost tax payers fucking billions of dollars every year? That is part of what Obamacare was fixing. but of course you don't understand these things, because ohhh liberal did something bad..bad..socialism bad..bad. m'kay!

The entire fucking point of mandatory insurance under Obamacare was to get everyone covered so the uninsured insurance costs weren't pushed onto the tax payers they are now, but of course you Red Hats couldn't figure that out.. because socialism bad m'kay.. Wake up you are already paying for the un-insuraed's heath care cost via your fucking taxes...

Bladewire

The CBO scoring hasn't come back for the new healthcare bill and they're pushing the vote before it comes out for a reason, they're fucking us over again

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You are wrong. Everything which is free for the local taxpayers here in Europe will always cost the money to foreign people

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crockett

Here is why... because those crazy inflated prices from hospitals are fake prices. The bill you might see for a child birth might be $20 or 30k but the insurance company was never paying that much.. They were probably paying this $17, meaning now you are covering the full cost out of your pocket, but the insurance company is pretending to pay the other "covered" half... (this is why we aren't aloud to see the actual cost the insurance companies pay for stuff because it's "trade secrets"..

Now the problem is you will get that full bill for $20 or 30k if you have no insurance but you can't say hey it didn't really cost that much, let me pay $17k instead.. no you don't have that bargaining power they will make you pay the full price..

Its legal extortion..

The hospitals make their bills so high, so they can write off the no pays as massive losses to be recouped from the federal govt..

Barry-xlovecam

No there are professional medical billing auditors that know the negotiated rates.
I can just tell the hospital I'll see you in court -- they'll settle in a heartbeat.

I know how to play hardball

fair and conscionable contract

woj

subsidizing people's insurance costs billions too, so what's the point? only difference with Obamacare is that insurance companies now play a bigger part in our healthcare and so are able to squeeze out more $$ as profit out of everyone... so the whole concept of Obamacare is actually making things worse...

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OldJeff

Do you actually have a source for this information ?

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Busty2

And here in lies the true problem with healthcare in the USA. The pharmaceutical companies charge unbelievable prices for there products and the hospitals rig their prices based on the % of people who will not pay plus all the unnecessary ancillary staff that they used to inflate the charges you receive.

Hers is an example i have personally experienced. I use a prescribed hand cream that with insurance costs me about $16.00 a tube per month. Last month the pharmaceutical company raise the cost of that cream to $1060. a tube and that is with exactly the same insurance. The system is rigged to fuck you over no matter what. Do i pay the $1060, absolutely not i will just have to go without.

Barry-xlovecam

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9b6ef76996b4

Rochard

I can't believe I am the first one to say this....

Thanks Trump!

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Busty2

You bugger

Barry-xlovecam

If this bill passes and goes to the Senate it will either die in the Senate or be rewritten radically -- then go through the process of reconciliation.

So far, it hasn't even passed in the House and is a political hot potato. Millions of voters will be affected. More voters affected negatively as this bill is written.

crockett

That's the thing ignorant red hats never understood. Obamacare was slowly fixing this issue by setting standaized pricing. If ACA were left to run its course with full state support we would of started seeing a decrease in health care cost..

But oh no.... socialism, liberals black muslim bad..

RedFred

Meanwhile the bill also includes a $592 billion tax cut for the wealthy. Trump himself is estimated to save $7 million a year. Keep voting republican you dumb motherfuckers.

thommy

obamacare was not perfect but is was the most he could do with a senate full of ignorants.

and all the other ignorants just can´t count and do not pay for insurance BUT when they get sick they want help anyway.

so a social security system is the ONLY answer if you do not want to let people die on the street just because they aren´t insured.

the argument of "i am a man i do not get babies" or "i am not sick i do not need a healthinsurance" would mean, that EVERYBODY who think like that and have a house and this house is insured against fire that this house HAVE TO burn down.
if that would be the case a fire insurance would cost the same as a new house.
but this idiots don´t seem to understand that it is the same with a health insurance.

it is financed by the lucky ones - but WHO can say before if he always will be lucky?

all this assholes who do not understand what a society means should not be allowed to drive on public roads - they should be forced to build their own road if they want one.
it they get robbed and call the police they should tell them to make an own police departement and finance it. if they have an accident and need an ambulance they should be told that they need to have their private ambulance and if they want a war with whoever they should buy their own bombs.

people who can not understand that are not ready to be part of a society - they should live on an island like robinson crusoe and get a fuck from anybody.

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OldJeff

Just checking, still no source for the claims

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Bladewire

There are tons of sources for the OP's claims. Here are the results for pregnancy costs go up 425% over Obamacare.

OldJeff

So a bunch of opinion pieces and left wing blogs got it.

And my condition is known as fact checking, I suggest trying it.

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Bladewire

Research and get back to us. I'm not doing your homework for you it's right there in the articles with links to the research source.

Why would right wing publications not be reporting the fact that pregnancy cost will go up 425%? Think about it, its rhe ssme readon theyre forcing a vote right now before the CBO report comes out on the new legislation. Get your head out of your ass man.

crockett

Perhaps you should stop being a lazy old fuck and use fucking google. Quit expecting people to spoon feed you and educate yourself... Funny you red hats always expect everyone to do everything for you then do nothing but bitch when they do..

beerptrol

watch!!!
The insurance companies are going to offer lower premium substandard insurance coverage that makes them money. And when a person goes to use it, then they will find out the insurance doesn't cover their condition

I've been with the same insurance company for 28 years and have barely had to use them, yet my premium has gone up every year.

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Bladewire

The insurance companies will also start declaring the simplest of things "pre existing conditions" so they'll be thrown into the federally subsidized pool.

Health insurance companies are evil.

I remember in the 90's all the stories of how they fucked over sick people, then tried to cover it up. The guy on live TV protesting insurance companies fucking him over and shot himself in the head with a rifle. Bad times

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crockett

He shouldn't of shot himself, he should of shot a few insurance company executives.. if you are going to go out, might as well take some real cunts out with you..

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OldJeff

I don't know why you insist on calling me a Red Hat, I think the guy is a fucking idiot, The only effect this legislation has on me is I pay less taxes.

You post a wall of shit every day about republicans this, Trumpsters that, but all that is ever brought to the table in the way of proof are bullshit opinion pieces from biased sources.

I am reasonably sure whatever just passed the house is likely a piece of shit, as was Obama care a piece of shit that did nothing but raise premiums.

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Bladewire

"Biased sources"?

And you think this healthcare legislation is going to only lower your taxes, if that?

Your mind is fucked if you think everything you don't want to hear is from a biased source, that's a seriously fucked brain washing in your head.

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crockett

Burn it in... "RepublicansDontCare" That's what we call it..

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OldJeff

I know it will lower my taxes by eliminating the extra Medicare tax I pay on income above 200k

Other than that my premiums will rise just like they have every year

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Bladewire

My point was that the bill will change in the Senate and you don't know how it will impact you until it passes.

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I'm saying Clinton is no better. And that the American political system is as corrupt as a Third World Nation. The only difference is a Third World Nation tries to hide the corruption.

In America, it's plain to see why you get fucked.

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