thommy

every country participated on this cheap money - and the money was not cheap without a reason. it was because international banks used cheating possibilities to fuck the value of money.

this is something what i can´t answer because i am not a women.
i can also not answer the question why in kanton bern (switzerland) they can not use the words "vater" (father) and "mutter" (mother) anymore in their official language.

and i am pretty sure that the girls need as kind of attraction barometer

i think the majority would not do that.

an alliance is not what the EU idea is.
it is a together through all - and i think this is a phantasic idea.

we just have to prevent the mistakes of USA.

this is exactly what they are going to do because they know that his time is very limited.

i do not say that the big industries ANYWHERE are the good guys.
but the car industry is still the biggest job industry germany have.

but to be honest - as good as german cars are when we talk about combustion engines as far behind are this guys when it comes to the farthinking perpesctive.
i have a mercedes and i have a tesla and soon i will have 2 teslas because i am not willing to support stupidness.

i really think you guys just have to open your mind for really big visions.

maybe i will not be here anymore but i promise you already that this war-game will go on not much more than 20 years. up to then everybody should have learned how a economy works and there will be no gear from globalizm anymore.

if THAT is the case you will see how many genius ideas will come up and make the world a better place.

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or rather - how BRAVE dutch soldiers are and how strong is their manhood

Grapesoda

at this point a brief intermission while I point out that EVERY world war was started by the Germans. what a fucking dope

Sarn

Comrade need to build army

Tasty1

Well, everybody profited from the debt of Greece and Germany the most. But Greece didn't profit from anything.

We all know why the 'whistling" laws are introduced. To keep the German tradition that you don't whistle when you see a woman.

And about a European army, again something most people don't want. But will be forced upon. Cause most countries have nothing to say. That is the 'democracy' of the EU. And everybody knows this, but a referendum or other democratic move will be sabotaged so in the end there will be a EU army.

So the whole Paris thing is just complaining about Trump to look good themselves. The USA don't need to sign it. So what is the problem. The EU knew already for years something was wrong with the emission of german cars. They looked away for years to protect their industry and tax income. But they want to look good know, signing a piece of paper.

Un the end every governement will fuck you. And than i rather be fucked by politicians you can sent away than EU politicians you don't even know.

I don't know if Globalisation will be the best way. I doubt it. I used to think that is good, but on many things about globalization i changed my mind. What i am sure of is that the globalisation isn't the best for the environment in many cases. And i don't want to be ruled from Brussels with heir ideas. Take the new plans that you have to pay by kilometer you are on the road. Every car will be checked 24/7. In Holland they tried it for many years but it could be stopped. Now the EU will try it again. For me that is already enough reason to stop the influence of the EU.

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Srebrenica is another example that you never must trust the government or eu.
Everyone knew it couldn't be protected, but they went anyway.
And both sides did their crimes. And the Dutch are blamed.

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of course not

but it's fun to watch right wing brainwashed peeps going apeshit everytime her name is dropped

(and I never voted for her)

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technically this is incorrect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I


but even if we take it the way you say it, it is the perfect reason why Germans don't want to be involved by any wars today - especially when they are started for the wrong reasons. Because you want to learn from history - something lots of people out there and on this board are not very good at,

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Did you just call me a "fucking dope"?

This is why we need them as an ally - to ensure we do not have WWIII. But whatever.

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This makes no sense.



So you admit they need training to live ion the West, now explain why the West should do that.



Is Trump responsible for 9/11? Again you make no sense.



How can you expect humanity from people who bomb children?



So people who bomb, rape, abuse children, etc. Aren't human. And you believe you can educate them so they can live in Europe. First get them to stop being Muslims.


Maybe she should have thought of that before inviting millions to walk across Europe and risk the dangerous sea voyage. Maybwe she should have consulted the countries that the migrants had to walk through to get to the better benefits system in Germany.



does the image prove me right, sex attacks by migrants has doubled?

So why allow a race of people into Europwe who by your own posts proves are more likely to rape?



Are you saying illegal migrants from Africa aren't coming to Europe? They're flowing into Europe because of the policies of the EU. Or lack of policies.



Debt was rising before 2008. Debt is rising because jobs are disappearing to the Third World and Banking is now an essentail industry for the West.

Same goes for Bush, Obama, Clinton, etc. These crashes aren't Trump's fault, otherwise they wouldn't have happened before.



his makes no sense.



Yes Czech is one of the winners.




You could write a book and yes I wouldn't understand it because you talk bullshit. Proof of that is blaming Trump for things that happened before he took power. Obama removing the troops from Iraq allowed the maniac Muslims to rise up, form ISIS, which is just another of a long line of Islamic terrorist organisations, and start a war. Long before Trump appeared on the scene. How can you possibly blame Trump for Muslim terrorists?

Is he responsible for the bombing in Afghanistan today Boko Harem and all the other Muslim terrorists?

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Than why did they allow Greece and a few others to borrow so much they are now having problems?


An EU Army is inevitable because the bureaucrats demand more things to organise. Not that it will ever be doing anything because until the EU is ruled from the centre with no say from regional States, no one will agree where and when it will be used.

The EU is too busy making it's own mistakes.


It will always be money for the rich first. Never fool yourself about anything else.

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Not to the core, just a bit. Mass migration is about bringing in a lower-wage workforce. This depresses wages for the lower 40% of a population. Lowering their tax contributions and spending powers. Rising profits for the big corporations. It also puts unneeded pressure on the housing markets, education, Healthcare, policing, etc. It creates more problems than it ever solves. This is without the cultural impact it has.

As more companies automate or/and send jobs to the Third World, replacing someone on a Western Wage by someone on a Third World wage. There is no gain in buying power for the West as the West loses jobs and buying power.

This has been EU policy from the beginning and it continues to be their policy. Except for the UK. Who it will punish and make the EU poorer to make sure no other country dares to think about breaking away from its grip. The UK is the EUs biggest single export market.

But they have people like Thommy fooled who thinks a Thai factory worker is going to be buying as many German goods as a German factory worker and the more people spending money in the system. That only applies if the extra people put in their own money. Which they clearly do not.

The only thing keeping the EU dream alive is massive borrowing. Should that end or slow down, see Greece for an example of what happens.

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oh - i know you have no clue of economic but i did not know that it is so few.

with money what is not spend will not be bought anything - if it is not bought it dont´´t have to be produced - if it is not produced nobody will be paid for the production.

that is also a second reason for low interest because the money on the banks does not help to cure the economy.

oh maybe for the small reason to not get killed from them - or is that not enough reason for you?

people like him are responsable. this hate doesn´t come from nowhere.
trump is working on a bigger desaster than that.

how can you sell bombs to people who throw them on children?

ok so let´s count how many not muslims bombed, raped and abused.
does that mean their religion is a crime?

lets take duerste - trump admits him a lot.
he gave EVERY civillian the right to shot whoever just for assuming this guy have to do with drugs.

in the conflict with the mustlims he declared a war to them and ADVISED to rape the women of this muslims. "to rape 3 women is ok" this is what he ORDERED.
and this guy is christian and trump admits him.
what do you think will be the answer from 1,3 billion of muslims?

why don´t you start your investigation at the point where the west (and all in front USA) was heating up this conflict and deliver weapons to ISIS and al kaida to eliminate saddad?

why don´t you start your investigation at a point where one one the most modern countries of the middle east with the highest level of social structures and the highest per head income was destroyed for oil. you should really read a bit the story of gadhafi and lybia from several sources and look how the country was before and how it is now.

as i said - it is a question of maths and konwing how to use a calculator to see that you
do not understand facts.

in 2105 there have been 32.079 delicts agains the so called "sexual self-determination" (what includes trump´s "grab her by the pussy" because that is a crime im Germany).
in this 32.079 delicts have been 4,8% imigrants involved.

in 2016 the number went up from 4,8 to 9,9% but in the same time we had 3 times more refugees in the country. so calculate - if they would bring more of that into the country it should be 4,8 x3 = 14,6 and not 9,9.

i don´t say that and i never said it. there is a big difference between legal and illegal.
but your argument is the same bullshit as the argument from german youth-protectors what denied EVERY kind of age verification because they found in every system something what can be abused.

they should not even let you in in chech republic - just because the law what let´s you in can be abused.

Germany did NOT call illegal immigrants and I don´t know why everone is talking about that because they are a problem but not the biggest problem.

look the example of spain, france, netherlands, britain - they do not have a problem with illegal immigrants they have a problem with LEGALS who have the right to be there.

Germany never had big oversea territories. they also never had a time of slavery where they imported slaves from other countries and the decendants of them are still there.

this is something where this countries have to blame their own history and not make Germany guilty for it.

nonsense - depts are not a problem for a country - in fact it always MUST have a dept - if not the national spendings can not be done before the tax would not arrive.

so every country needs depts.

the problem of rising depts are not made in europe - they are made in USA and if a country is using depts to heat up the own economy it forces all others to do the same.

i don´t know how i can explain you that issues because you do not have knowledge of this things and that´s why we can´t talk on the same level.

true ! but these are not the ones who can be blamed. they only can be blamed for not doing anything against the corruption and the leaders behind the curtain.
obama at least tried to prevent the next crash with kind of a minilaw (a better one was stopped by the republicans) - but even this mini-protection is gone with a trump decreet
and the markets are hotter than before because every lie and speculation is allowed again.

aha - and winners can only this countries be where you are?

i know why you are a trump supporter.


too much nonsense in your words to answer all that. if you are blind to see the reasons for action and reaction i can´t help you.

maybe you can try to become the next president in US and do everything better.
you can´t be any worse than trump and after his era you can also not destory anything anymore because he have done this job already.

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So for your economic gibberish to work, money has to be spent.



oh maybe for the small reason to not get killed from them - or is that not enough reason A better solution still is to keep them out.



And you think you can educate the hate out ofpeople. Good luck with that.

How can you train them not to throw bombs on children.



Now let's look at your figures on percentile bases. It clearly shows Muslims are more likely to commit sex crimes. Their religion allows it, research "Islam, sex with slaves". so all they have to do is say the girl was their slave. Whatever, the people of those regions are more loikely to rape.

The Third World is full of nasty people, good reasons not to import them into Europe. Or is your argument, Because there are evil Christians, we have to accept Muslims? How about FGM because Christians and Muslims in Africa practice this. does that mean Europe has to accept it? You never made worse sense.

Absolutely agree. The ME is best ruled by people like Assad, Sadaam, Gadhafi. Do youblameObama for bombing Libya?



Noe divide it by race and percentile of that race in the country. Or are you arguing Muslims are less likely or just as likely to commit a sex crime? If so you're delusional.



The problem is all low-skilled, low-paid and unemployed migrants. Legal or illegal.

Bullshit, the problem is the West is shipping jobs to the Third World. This is lowering tax revenues and putting more into a situation where they rely on the State for benefits. Research the growing costs of benefits and other social programs and tax revenues. Dropping out of the financial world that has been built up to replace industry is never going to happen.



Bush is not to blame for going intotwo wars and Obama not to blame for bombing Libya and Clinton not to blame for setting up a system where the poor could get mortgage they couldn't afford. So who is behind the curtasin?



I supported Trump as a better alternative to Clinton, who is controlled by the people behind the curtain.

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i am glad that you found a way to give people work by producing products what are not paid.

you are so fucking smart.


the other alternative is to let them go on to cut off heads til THEIR problem is resolved.

first of all by not selling them bombs and second of all by not heating conflicts what are good for the "selling bomb business"

and you want to stop it how ?
by waiting till they are 3 billion and run us over?

i don´t know if you have children but if so you do not really care them.



so you mean if 10% of muslims are bad all 100% are bad ?

well i think i can find even a bigger percentage of bads in christianity. so for your understanding all of them have to go.

i blame everyone who needs bombs to argument.

even if you where right - we find the same high percentage of sex crimes in our so called civilisation. the only different is that if a muslim is involved the whole world will talk about it while on the same day 1000nds of so called civilized people did the fucking same and no one talks about it.

so that´s a matter of education - and if they have the same or better education they will not be low skilled. if they do not have it they CAN NOT TAKE THIS JOB.


completely wrong.
the west is slavering the third world by using their cheap labour to give people in the west prosperity.

you maths is not working paul - that is childish.

you are already old but young enough to see what you support.
it is a questions of months til he is either impeached or we are in the middle of a biggly war.

you replaced a sniff with cancer.

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Supporting a climate treaty in paris and blaming Trump, in the meanwhile you leave such a big carbon foodprint that there wouldn't be any live on this planet left if all people lived like you. Just a fact.

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means you think it is a good idea that trump want to step out of the climate contract?

means again that you think that 99% of all scientiests in the world are wrong and the old idot and you are smart?

did i understand that correct?

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Thommy you live in a world where you believe Muslims can be converted to being non-Muslims, where people who have been killing each other from before Mohammed can suddenly stop, where money isn't being spent, where giving jobs to Third World workers on 1/10 of a Western worker will buy Western goods and everything is Trump's fault.

Good luck, I must come ad visit you in your fantasy world. Here in the real world things are a bit tougher.

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He's wrong to step out of the Paris agreement.

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no but i live in a world where it is NORMAL that any group of people (no matter if it is a religious, ethnic, political or even the fans of a football club) will stand together when they are attacked as a group.

well than let´s talk in numbers:

worldwide private savings 2015:

155 TRILLION Euros

what is 260 % of the world GTP (4,9% more as in the year before)

worldwide depts

39 TRILLION EUROS (4,5% more as in the year before)

are you still thinking that low wages are the problem and that money is spend ?

if you would take that money from the banks and pay ALL EXISTING DEPTS FROM EVERBODY IN THE WORLD (including the depts of ALL COUNTRIES)
ther would still be 116 TRILLION LEFT in the saving accounts.

now imagin what would happen if this 115 TRILLION suddenly goes into the markets.

can you imagin that or is that still too high for you?

and this 1/10th of the product costs is safing EVERY SINGLE PERSON a lot of money.
only because of that they are able to buy 10 things instad of one and this is called PROSPERITY.

my pahantasy world is all around you. you just can not see it because you are blind for reality or just too old to learn now what you have missed to learn before.

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wrong as everything he does - so he will do this mistake also.

but it´s fine - that will finish his era much earlier because 2/3 of US citizens want to stay in the paris agreement.
but trump does not care that - he is controlled by bannon and his infinite self-assessment.

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No, it means that so many are hypocrit.

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Correct.

But his goal is to weaken Europe for Putin and weaken all American allie ties which he's trying to do.

So far he's attacked Australia, Canada, Mexico, Germany, NATO, Paris Agreement, and more.

He's praised Duterte, Assad, Erdogan & Putin. Not a single bad word about the dictators, only Americas allies.

thommy

but it is good when he declines paris.

china is now signing in and a bunch of other countries - even india.
that means that 80% of the civilisation is in it.

so think a bit further what they can do to get on to their targets.
climate is not an issue from a country - it effects the whole planet.

if 80% of the world are in this contract the next step is that they will only trade with countries what are producing clean and accept the climate contract.

ok us will suffer for a few month - then they will kick him out and the next president will hopefully be smarter.
climate contract is not the brexit - it is a desicion for a limited time.

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I like the way you see it this is good

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- 80% is in, but only 10% will have to pay for it And those 10% have to pay for their own CO2 reductions plans also.
- 80% of the money will disappear in corrupt countries that only collect the money.
- Is germany prepared to risk to lose all export of cars to the USA if there is only a trade with countries that sign the Paris Paper?
- In the mean time you talk about economic growth in all countries, and as we know that will damage the natural resources more than the world can handle. imagine all chines take 3 holidays by plane a year and also buy two cars... The banks in Brazil where more easy with loans and suddenly everyone got a (german) car that in the future will be made by robots.

And than they have goals like only 1 degree warmer in the next 100 years. A few vulcano's and the temparture will rise. Or some other things and the tempurature will be lower.

And to get all this CO2 reduction will be payed by the enduser in the western countries.

The mondial crises was the best thing for the environment. I predict this Paris Paper will be like the ongoing money to africa to help them, but in the end did nothing for the people that needed it. It is the new way to keep burnng money. And a new way to gater all your privacy, like they want to do now with a box in your car that register where, when and how fast you drive.

Keep dreaming.

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completely wrong - 100% will pay for it because keeping our planet alive is not an advantage for an exclusive part of human beeing.

define WICH money and HOW can money disappear !!!
money CAN NOT disappear.

do you think that the best conditioned economy in the world can´t stand that?
there will be other partners and there HAVE TO BE other partners because what trump is doing makes the people poorer and they will not be able to buy expensive cars anyway.

also the german car industry needs that kick in the ass to change their vision.
the exports to USA are one reason why German car-companies are not investing in cleaner cars yet.

tesla is a very good example. there is not ONE country yet (and the worst in their own country) what could give them enough sales yet to survive. they are surviving and growing in a worlwide market.

you talk about economy from yesterday - if our economy is based on ecology instead of wars things are very different.

and WHY are you afraid of robots?
these are the legal slaves of the future and if mankind is smart enough they can bring HUGE prosperity if you do not think in a brain prison.

first of all: even the NASA has proved meanwhile that this issue exists.
we see already the consequences of this human made climate change and if the world seas are getting much warmer as they are already it is the end of the sea live and if the sealive ends we do not need to buy a new aircondition anymore. all human beeing is connected to the sea live. and it will end with the sealive.

that some idiot populists throwing different paroles around does not make things better. they do not have an alternative. the 2 choices we have is to do something and try to survice or to do nothing and hope the populists are right. the chance of the last is as high as a win in the lottery.

no i will not keep dreaming - that´s your part and if you survive with your dream than it is only because others prefered to do something instead of sleeping and ignoring the alarm.

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Trump is telling Europe it should be able to stand on its own militarily. What's wrong with that?

Merkel doesn't like this because she believes America should protect the EU, pay the lion's share of NATO budgets and make up most of NATO forces.

With EU/US GDPs running at near parallel lines, why should America foot the bill?

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nothing really wrong with that except the fact that the reason for having a military-defence was not caused by Europe (except France and Britain).

but one thing is sure and there you are completely right - Europe did nothing to prevent the circumstances we have to deal with now.

and the other thing what is wrong is, that he can nor order countries how much they have to spend for their own protection. if it is nessecary they will do it alone.

the one and only reason why trump wants that is, that he want to sell the weapons.

america is a war nation with a war economy and to keep the trades going he needs more war nations BUT Europe accepted that for centuries and have to decide now how to go on.

the worst what can happen (also for trump) is that Germany goes back to use his technological and engeneering power to produce that ugly stuff again and take this market over. i really HOPE that this will never happen again.

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It has been necessary for Europe to fund NATO more and not rely on the US for a very long time. All Trump can do is deliver an ultimatum and demand Europe and the Far East contribute more. Where they buy the arms is a result of Europe not building its own arms industry, apart from France and the UK.

We live in worrying times and the EU making advances to the Ukraine was a bad move. Why the EU is so determined to adopt so many countries with such shit economies is beyond most people. Other than building the power base of the bureaucrats and shifting to voting power of the EU towards nations that rely on EU handouts, what are the benefits? Most certainly not trade as these countries lower the average wage of the majority of Europeans.

Enlargement.
Candidates: Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey
Potential candidates that have applied for membership: Bosnia and Herzegovina
Potential candidates that have not applied for membership: Kosovo* (status disputed).

Look at the wages around Europe.



This has led to this mess where a few rich countries are funding the entire EU with a lot at the bottom getting more out than they put in. Now add poorer States and see how they share the votes. Can Germany afford to keep funding the poorest States, someone has to pick up the slack when the UK leaves. Especially if the EU plays hardball over trade.

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you are again not see the whole thing paul, i am sorry.

did trump ever mentioned the costs europe spends in the 3rd world countries to make this people´s life better?

do you think it is not kind of defense when you prevent that this peole do not have another chance as to run away from their own countries?

take all the money what is spend into arms and stick it into infrastructure and education in this countries and NOT ONE OF THEM will come.

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Again you try to put things around. If i say things about robots, you are acting if i would be afraid of that. But i in fact refered to some topics ago where there was a discussion about robots and i said we don't need immigrants, cause we better should invest in robots. You mentioned than there will never be a factory that would produce only with robots cause than t'here won't be people with work that can buy those products. So i am not afraid, you where ignorant that it wouldn't happen. So i see you are also not worried anymore that those factories robotize everything and don't need people. You where so afraid of people not having money to buy those products if that would happen cause it wasn't possible acording to your old economics.

"define WICH money and HOW can money disappear !!! money CAN NOT disappear. "

Must i realy explain this? If you don't understand the word corruption. Read the Paris Paper. Rich countries will pay for the poor countries. I can imagine already how billions will go to Ukrain to make their chicken farms sustainable, and in wich pockets that money will end.

You are saying Trump is so wrong with import taxes. But you say it yourself, that would be a nice kick in the ass for the car industry. If Trump want import tax, he has right. He only should call it "green tax" to use that money for the Paris treaty, and the problem is solved. So much resistence against import tax instead of globalization, but in the mean time people in Holland also pay an extra tax on cars from germany, and we are neighbours, in the EU. So shouldn't you change your mind about Trump going after the German car industry if you are so concerned about the Climate? But when Trump talked about the tax, you where more woried people had to pay more for a car in the USA.

There where much warmer periods on this earth and it waill always change. Humans have a little influence on that. We know there can be a period again with much colder weather. As i said, economic growh and saving the planet can't go hand in hand. If everybody in the third world will live like westerns, all natural resources will be used. And i also see an egoistic point. People want to save the world, but keep living like they are doing, 2 cars, 3 times a year on holiday by plane, a few phones, tv's etcerra.

Ofcourse we must stop polute the world. But all the bla bla that we must act now, that we don't have 10 more years is just to make people scared so they are willing to pay more tax. It starts all with yourself, stop buying so many things that use so much natural resources. In the end there is only one way and they are already doing that. Investing in clean energy and taxing things that are not good for the environment. But all those things are happening already. No need for a piece of Paris paper. You better hope that the green party's get a majority somewhere, they will suck all your money and fun out of live.

Realy, in all you are writing i read only 1 thing; Germany Uber Alles.

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You live in a dream world. Where do you think the money would go if it was sent to countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, etc? This is without addressing the real world situation of terrorists in those countries blowing up anything they can that comes from the West. Stop thinking people in these countries think like us. Enough of them are so indoctrinated in their make believe god that they will blow up anything related to the West.

The West didn't start this wave of terrorism. It was after the US gave the Jihadists, an Islamic word for a Muslim who kills non-Muslims, in Afghanistan enough weapons to kick out the Russians. Whatever excuse they came up with to justify their killings it makes no difference. They should have been thankful for US help.

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As factories turn to robots and put more workers out of work, what will happen to the migrants? Some will return home, some of their children won't have anywhere to go and some won't want to go back. Putting more burden on the few who are working to pay more in taxes to support the growing number of unemployed.

This is the same as the ageing population from the baby boomers generation. Now only a small percentile of them are migrants, in 10 years more will be migrants, 20 even more, even more burden on those working to pay more in taxes.

Will the richest stay in the West and shoulder enough of the burden by paying the increased amount in taxes? We already know the answer to that one.

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shiraz9944

No you are definitely wrong man. Paul laid it out with facts and figures, on a map no less for those that can't think. Check it out, look how much those nations actually SUCK OUT of the EU. They actually take money and contribute nothing but migrants that invade the western parts because it's SO SHITTY to live there. Socialism at it's finest, there is NO disputing that. The richer countries are funding the poorer EU nations. Greece is a great example of what is to come as it slowly moves westward. Why the UK got out.

Paul Markham

Thommy ignores facts when they don't fit his delusion.

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