ngela Merkel says Germany can no longer rely on Donald Trump's America

[2MuchMark]

Angela Merkel has suggested Germany and Europe can no longer rely on the US under Donald Trump.

Speaking at a campaign event held in a Bavarian beer tent, the German Chancellor emphasised the need for friendly relations with the US, Britain and Russia, but added: ?We Europeans must really take our destiny into our own hands.?

Ms Merkel said that as the traditional western alliance is threatened by the new US presidency and Brexit, ?the times in which we can fully count on others are somewhat over, as I have experienced in the past few days.?

While Germany and Europe would strive to maintain relations with the US and Britain, Ms Merkel said, ?we need to know we must fight for our own future as Europeans for our destiny.?

Her comments came after Mr Trump said he needed more time to decide if the US would continue backing the Paris climate deal, which has frustrated European diplomats.

Angela Merkel says Germany can no longer rely on Donald Trump's America: 'We Europeans must take our destiny into our own hands' | The Independent

[Bladewire]

Typo in thread title, missed the A in Angela

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I think Merkel said Europe was on its own as a psycholicaly strategic move. She loves Obama & America, she hates Trump & Republicans. She's putting pressure on Trump to help bring him down, and to make him come back to her tail between his legs before it happens

She had that public meeting with Obama on TV the same day she met Trump, she's out for Trumps pig blood

[beerptrol]

As long as the autocrats are happy is all he cares about, our allies can fuck off!

[nico-t]

“We Europeans must really take our destiny into our own hands.”

Strange, when we the citizens take our destiny in our own hands with referendums,
Merkel & co hate it, ignore it, and ram it down our throats anyway

Ms Merkel said that as the traditional western alliance is threatened by the new US presidency and Brexit, “the times in which we can fully count on others are somewhat over, as I have experienced in the past few days.”

Who is "we"? What is she talking about? Her and her corrupt unelected officials?

While Germany and Europe would strive to maintain relations with the US and Britain, Ms Merkel said, “we need to know we must fight for our own future as Europeans for our destiny.”

"While Europe [...] relationships with US and Britain"
Mainstream media always says Europe when they mean the EU. Europe is not the EU, Britain IS Europe! The EU, a rotten undemocratic centralized bureaucracy which is destroying and stepping on nations, is as anti Europe as it gets

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

As long as the autocrats are happy is all he cares about, our allies can fuck off!

True. Thankfully our system will bring Trump down before he can do any major damage to our country, everything's in motion already. The world leaders know Trump is corrupt and doesn't represent Americas values or aspirations.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

True. Thankfully our system will bring Trump down before he can do any major damage to our country, everything's in motion already. The world leaders know Trump is corrupt and doesn't represent Americas values or aspirations.

The damage is already done.. look at the brain damage that consumes the right wing. You think that will go away when Trump is removed? They will just get worse.

[Barry-xlovecam]

Europe should bear most (like 95%) of the cost of protecting its border sovereignty (or territorial integrity). NATO did nothing when Soviet tanks rolled into Prague or Budapest ... The US need only support Europe's territorial integrity with short range nuclear missiles and ABM systems. This Putin understands ...

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crockett

The damage is already done.. look at the brain damage that consumes the right wing. You think that will go away when Trump is removed? They will just get worse.

Pence is evil, but, Pence will push religious superiority, not racial. Pence has always pushed back hard on the racial crap and conspiracy crap. Trump is a pig enigma. The gutter people Trump drudged up for support won't be courted the same way again by another GOP candidate for a generation right?

After Trump the GOP has damage control and they have to go more center. If the GOP goes anymore right they're socialist Nazis, there's nothing else left, and without Trump they won't pull that off don't you think?

[xXXtesy10]

[Sarn]

Merkel will not pay for Trump

[romeo22]

She doesnt know what she is sayin

[Scott McD]

Merkel is 100% a bigger cunt than Trump. Fact!

[beerptrol]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Merkel is 100% a bigger cunt than Trump. Fact!

She also has bigger hands and balls than chump

[Bladewire]

[MaDalton]

where's mybrainistaken - i miss the usual traitor scum comments - just Nico and Scott are not satisfying me yet

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by beerptrol

She also has bigger hands and balls than chump

She makes one mistake after another.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Sarn

She makes one mistake after another.

You care so much about America it's funny

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Sarn

She makes one mistake after another.

i think she doen´t make mistakes.

even when i was never a merkel fan i have to accept that she is one of the smartest and coolest politicians we have.

she is never offensive and she never says something before she does not know what she is talking about.

i think in germany there is no one who can make this job better as she does it right now.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by thommy

i think she doen´t make mistakes.

even when i was never a merkel fan i have to accept that she is one of the smartest and coolest politicians we have.

she is never offensive and she never says something before she does not know what she is talking about.

i think in germany there is no one who can make this job better as she does it right now.

true, it's not a mistake. Her and the EU's destruction of societies, identities, countries and democracy is well planned and is the reason why the EU was started in the first place.

I like your arguments by the way. "She's never offensive". Wow that has a lot to do with policy.

[Grapesoda]

and we care why again?

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

and we care why again?

It's only fifty years of support, friendship, and history.

Not to mention the last time we failed to support Europe we ended up in a world war.

Not a big deal at all.

[pimpmaster9000]

pooty is emperor...

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by thommy

i think she doen´t make mistakes.

even when i was never a merkel fan i have to accept that she is one of the smartest and coolest politicians we have.

she is never offensive and she never says something before she does not know what she is talking about.

i think in germany there is no one who can make this job better as she does it right now.

She has ruined Germany. Ruined...

[shiraz9944]

Originally Posted by thommy

i think she doen´t make mistakes.

even when i was never a merkel fan i have to accept that she is one of the smartest and coolest politicians we have.

she is never offensive and she never says something before she does not know what she is talking about.

i think in germany there is no one who can make this job better as she does it right now.

EEk, really? So when it would revealed her blackberry was hacked by the NSA on Obama's orders she just took it, and that is good? Don't want to offend the Obama.

Huffpost article BTW: Merkel?s approval ratings remained steady at 34 percent in the poll of 1,212 people carried out from April 7 to April 9. Yikes, the social democrat Shultz has a 52% approval and advantage over her right now.

[DraX]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

She has ruined Germany. Ruined...

Yea the total destruction of Germany's cultural identity is under way, she said it herself few years ago.

Kanzlerin Merkel erklärt Multikulti für gescheitert

Which means Merkel declares Multi Cultural society a fail.

I guess she slipped, the agenda wanted to continue on the same road and she has done everything she can to uphold that agreement.

PLUS, the wide spread censoring of social media sites - removing critical thoughts involving immigration and integration.

She's good at what she does, I don't deny that, but nevertheless she's a traitor. Anyone with an open mind can see the huge corruption.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by shiraz9944

EEk, really? So when it would revealed her blackberry was hacked by the NSA on Obama's orders she just took it, and that is good? Don't want to offend the Obama.

Huffpost article BTW: Merkel?s approval ratings remained steady at 34 percent in the poll of 1,212 people carried out from April 7 to April 9. Yikes, the social democrat Shultz has a 52% approval and advantage over her right now.

You are the most poorly constructed fake nic persona I have EVER seen on GFY OMG someone needs to nominate you GFY's worst fake nic if all time

[Paul Markham]

What she meant to say was. "We Europeans can no longer freeload on the US regarding the defence or Europe".

Trump is 100% right on the EU spending more on the defence of the EU.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

i think she doen´t make mistakes.

even when i was never a merkel fan i have to accept that she is one of the smartest and coolest politicians we have.

she is never offensive and she never says something before she does not know what she is talking about.

i think in germany there is no one who can make this job better as she does it right now.

She made sure the EU was flooded with low-wage/unemployed non-EU migrants. This is lowering the standard of living of EU citizens and increasing the wealth of the rich.

She's also in favour of free movement, a measure designed to bring low-wage workers from Eastern Europe to work for less in States like Germany. Again lowering the living standards of German and raising the profits for the rich.

If these aren't mistakes, who do you think she works for?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Europe should bear most (like 95%) of the cost of protecting its border sovereignty (or territorial integrity). NATO did nothing when Soviet tanks rolled into Prague or Budapest ... The US need only support Europe's territorial integrity with short range nuclear missiles and ABM systems. This Putin understands ...

Hungary and Czechoslovakia weren't members of NATO when the Russians invaded.

[klinton]

lol these countries were a part of s ocalled warsaw pact that day...wtf you talk about...
you wanted ww3 ?
I bet though that NATO would do something if soviets would attack RFN or Holland...

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

NATO did nothing when Soviet tanks rolled into Prague or Budapest ...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by nico-t

I like your arguments by the way. "She's never offensive". Wow that has a lot to do with policy.

Indeed it has something to do with smart politics because politics consists of 99.999% of compromise solutions.

if things are going only the way ONE site wants - it is called dictatorship and not democrathy.

[shiraz9944]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You are the most poorly constructed fake nic persona I have EVER seen on GFY OMG someone needs to nominate you GFY's worst fake nic if all time

If you accuse me of a fake nic one more time, I will have Eric ban you. It is something you will be banned for. Do it again. I'm tired of your utter stupidity on here. You obviously have no job or industry status of any kind.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by shiraz9944

EEk, really? So when it would revealed her blackberry was hacked by the NSA on Obama's orders she just took it, and that is good? Don't want to offend the Obama.

i am sure she did not take it away - but she did not make a public war out of that and did not create hate. but you can be sure that behind the curtains things have been different

Huffpost article BTW: Merkel?s approval ratings remained steady at 34 percent in the poll of 1,212 people carried out from April 7 to April 9. Yikes, the social democrat Shultz has a 52% approval and advantage over her right now.

you should change your sources. schultz have a big acceptance problem.
his acceptance went down that much that his party lost elections in states where they have been always the most popular.



in germany there is only one new star comming up - it is lindner with his FDP but i think they will never reach the point to be the leading party. but germany does not really vote for persons - they vote for parties and programms.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

She has ruined Germany. Ruined...

show me the stats to proove your bullshit.

Germany is the country with the strongest economy in europe, the lowest unemplyment rate and the highest social standards.
it is also the country with the highest personal and company taxes and and the tax income 2016 was higher than the spendings.

trump is calling Geramy bad because they are doing better than any other country.

so tell me how you can see a ruined country ???

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

She made sure the EU was flooded with low-wage/unemployed non-EU migrants.

WRONG !
no other EU country was taking sufficient of the refugees. at the end it was Geramy who took them - and Germany is doing economicly best of all - how comes ?

This is lowering the standard of living of EU citizens and increasing the wealth of the rich.

WRONG !
see my upper comment - the refugee problem is a Geramn one and it is handeled and paid by Germany and not by the EU.

the rumours in facebook an in the fake media are from GERMAN people who get paid everything from the state including TV and internet and don´t work. but they are still jealous that Germany spends money for refugees who live with 8 person in one room because they would prefer to get another smart TV instead for free.

the rumours comes from the biggest loosers what do nothing for the society but get everything they need from taxpayers money.

She's also in favour of free movement, a measure designed to bring low-wage workers from Eastern Europe to work for less in States like Germany. Again lowering the living standards of German and raising the profits for the rich.

If these aren't mistakes, who do you think she works for?

and WHY is Germany in such a good condition with the lowest unemployment rate since 1982 ???
how comes that the reality is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to explain here ?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by DraX

Yea the total destruction of Germany's cultural identity is under way, she said it herself few years ago.

maybe the translation you was reading I think what you read is just a translation from a typical "selling headline"

Kanzlerin Merkel erklärt Multikulti für gescheitert

Which means Merkel declares Multi Cultural society a fail.

what she really said is:

Der Ansatz für Multikulti ist gescheitert

what means:

The approach for multiculturalism has failed

it is a big difference between this 2 sentences what you can only know when you speak german.

but what it shows you is that Merkel is not the person what can not admit a mistake (what is more than any other politician can)
and it shows you also that she does not move the responsability on someone elses shoulder (also a very widespread habit of politicians).

I guess she slipped, the agenda wanted to continue on the same road and she has done everything she can to uphold that agreement.

nope - when the refugee crisis came up she acted human and assumed that all other european countries will do the same.

as that did not happen - she tried to fix the problem alone what brought a lot of chaos because Germany did not even have enough offices and professional officers to handle such a mass.

and YES - the suffering of these people was also used in large parts of criminals to come into the country (which would not have happened if the load had been split)

PLUS, the wide spread censoring of social media sites - removing critical thoughts involving immigration and integration.

that might be a reason but the problem on that is that these "social concerns" are widlely fake news and propaganda (even when is have true aspects).

the problem is that people prefer the conspiracy theories of truth and therefore no politics can happen on the basis of the reality.

this propaganda instrument of the spread of lies is now used by every political direction as a weapon in a dirty war, in which the stupid will become unknowingly helpers.

She's good at what she does, I don't deny that, but nevertheless she's a traitor. Anyone with an open mind can see the huge corruption.

how can she be a traitor if she is acting with this kind of humanity what is written in our constitution?
how can she be a traitor when she leads the country out of one of the biggest crisis as the ultimative economic winner?

please explain me how it can happan that ALL FACTS AND NUMBERS are showing the opposite of what would be when you are right.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

WRONG !
no other EU country was taking sufficient of the refugees. at the end it was Geramy who took them - and Germany is doing economicly best of all - how comes ?

Why take them at all?

WRONG !
see my upper comment - the refugee problem is a Geramn one and it is handeled and paid by Germany and not by the EU.

And what about the rest of the EU? Or is it just Germany that matters when it comes to the EU?

and WHY is Germany in such a good condition with the lowest unemployment rate since 1982 ???
how comes that the reality is exactly the opposite of what you are trying to explain here?

Again all about Germany, either the EU is about the EU or as you believe it's only about making Germany great.

Are those migrants included in the unemployment stats, what will be the long-term effects as they enter the workforce, what will be the cultural effect, housing, schools, etc?

Every other country has seen mass migration lower wages by the simple supply and demand rule. Why is Germany so different, or has it manipulated the figures to make it look good?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

what she really said is:

Der Ansatz für Multikulti ist gescheitert

what means:

The approach for multiculturalism has failed

it is a big difference between this 2 sentences what you can only know when you speak german.

So allowing millions more in is a better approach?

but what it shows you is that Merkel is not the person what can not admit a mistake (what is more than any other politician can)
and it shows you also that she does not move the responsability on someone elses shoulder (also a very widespread habit of politicians).

She admits it's a mistake after Germans started to vote against her.

nope - when the refugee crisis came up she acted human and assumed that all other european countries will do the same.

as that did not happen - she tried to fix the problem alone what brought a lot of chaos because Germany did not even have enough offices and professional officers to handle such a mass.

and YES - the suffering of these people was also used in large parts of criminals to come into the country (which would not have happened if the load had been split)

She encouraged them to enter the EU without consulting other EU countries. And most certainly without asking Europeans. You ignore the facts they are free to walk around the EU. Did she act like a dictator? She did not assume they would all do the same, she made demands they do the same. Now you assume other countries should fall in line and take criminals who exploited her mistake.

that might be a reason but the problem on that is that these "social concerns" are widlely fake news and propaganda (even when is have true aspects).

the problem is that people prefer the conspiracy theories of truth and therefore no politics can happen on the basis of the reality.

this propaganda instrument of the spread of lies is now used by every political direction as a weapon in a dirty war, in which the stupid will become unknowingly helpers.

There are no conspiracy theories over the sex crimes those migrants committed.

how can she be a traitor if she is acting with this kind of humanity what is written in our constitution?
how can she be a traitor when she leads the country out of one of the biggest crisis as the ultimative economic winner?

please explain me how it can happan that ALL FACTS AND NUMBERS are showing the opposite of what would be when you are right

Because she acted on behalf of the EU without consulting the EU. If she had arranged to fly them directly into Germany and made sure they all stay in Germany, that would have been fine for Germany.

I agree with you that Germany is strong economically. Which then begs the question is Germany as a member and a full supporter of the EU wanting to see it grow in power, ready to pay the rising bills of other EU States? Or is it all about Germany?

They can't have it both ways.

[Manfap]

Originally Posted by thommy

show me the stats to proove your bullshit.

Germany is the country with the strongest economy in europe, the lowest unemplyment rate and the highest social standards.
it is also the country with the highest personal and company taxes and and the tax income 2016 was higher than the spendings.

trump is calling Geramy bad because they are doing better than any other country.

so tell me how you can see a ruined country ???

Just wondering, if Germany is so great. Why don't you live there?

[pimpmaster9000]

I am happy to see the EU drift away from the USA...

Gabriel, who also serves as Germany's vice chancellor, said that "anyone who accelerates climate change by weakening environmental protection, who sells more weapons in conflict zones and who does not want to politically resolve religious conflicts is putting peace in Europe at risk."

I hope to see more and more of this in the future...I also hope to see the EU drift closer to russia and china and team up against war monger foreign policy...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Manfap

Just wondering, if Germany is so great. Why don't you live there?

i do not say that ll is good is germany - also i do not like the weather.

but deep in my heart i am german and i still worry about the country where i was born, educated and growing up.

no one who is not german will ever understand how we really are.

there is no "the german" we have many different minds and many different meanings but if things getting hard we are still a unit.

germans can be very loud when they do not agree but they respect if someone have listened to it. so there is nothing wrong when the chancellor of the country listens and changes - this is what we expect from politicians.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I am happy to see the EU drift away from the USA...

Gabriel, who also serves as Germany's vice chancellor, said that "anyone who accelerates climate change by weakening environmental protection, who sells more weapons in conflict zones and who does not want to politically resolve religious conflicts is putting peace in Europe at risk."

I hope to see more and more of this in the future...I also hope to see the EU drift closer to russia and china and team up against war monger foreign policy...

this is EXACTLY what happens at the moment.

and for funny trump played his role in that.

if you have a look at the polls i´ve posted a bit earlier you can read the german minds in that.

after trump, germans also looked for some "outsider" to do the things different.
schulz was not even a well known or even popular person in Germany because he was not involved in the countries politics in the last years.
so nobody knew really who he is and for what he stands. they just wanted to have a change.

but after trump appeared and everybody SAW what can happen when an amateur is trying to lead a country they changed their minds in MASSES.

what have really changed in the german (and i am pretty sure in most european) mentality
is, that people do not trust the older generation anymore because this generation does not understand the world anymore.
too many things have changed with the internet and the world is turning faster and faster.
this world need other solutions and visioneers and not old dumbs who do not even know how to switch on a computer.

you can see this trend in france, in austria and even in Germany where Lindner came like phoenix from the ashes and nearly tripled up the votes for his party.

you can see the same thing happening in canada with truedeau and you will see more and more that people are willing to give this world in the hands of them who will have to take care it next.

our planet is sick from people who are afraid of the futire. people who want easy solutions, where is no easy solution.

people who do not even know where they stand politicly.
look paul is a communist - but he does not even know it.

look all this other trump supporters here - they are right radicalists and do not even know it.

how can you change the world with people who do not realize who they are and what kind of ideology they are part?

i caould tell you a lot of things what could be changed in this world to resolve the problems we have. but first of all you need the minds for that - and we are poor in smart minds.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So allowing millions more in is a better approach?

why not?
a bigger country have more consumers - more consumers= more work

additionally better educations helps to resolve MANY global problems.

She admits it's a mistake after Germans started to vote against her.

that is what we want from our politicicians that they can listen and change.

the OPPOSITE of what trump is doing.

She encouraged them to enter the EU without consulting other EU countries. And most certainly without asking Europeans. You ignore the facts they are free to walk around the EU. Did she act like a dictator? She did not assume they would all do the same, she made demands they do the same. Now you assume other countries should fall in line and take criminals who exploited her mistake.

she did not encourage them. how could she?
these people entered in italy, greece, hungary and wherever.

look at the map if germany is a country where they can enter !

she was acting HUMAN and helped the neigbours who acted human too.

There are no conspiracy theories over the sex crimes those migrants committed.

ohhhh nooo - there are a LOT - because the sexcrimes in Germany did not rise because of the refugees (even when i do not refuse that there are problems) the sex crimes IN TOAL raised because the law have changed.

if you whistle behind a women in Geramy it is a sex crime - did you know that?
and this law became valid unfortunately in the same time when the refugees came.

Because she acted on behalf of the EU without consulting the EU. If she had arranged to fly them directly into Germany and made sure they all stay in Germany, that would have been fine for Germany.

what else did she do?
did she send them somewhere else? where does she get the power from to give visa for foreign countries?

she was dealing with even non EU-countries to spread them in fair numbers.

and do not forget - these people are not immigrants at all. these are GUESTS and we have a human mandatory to help them til they can go back into their own country.

I agree with you that Germany is strong economically. Which then begs the question is Germany as a member and a full supporter of the EU wanting to see it grow in power, ready to pay the rising bills of other EU States? Or is it all about Germany?

They can't have it both ways.

i am not sure how good you know how "EU-bills" arising.

countries with a strong economy pay most and countries with a low economy get from that. so what a fuck you talking abot? Germany took the MOST refugees and paid for it ALONE and BECAUSE it still is the strongest econony it pays to the other low economies TOO - the countries what did not even take refugees.

you should not blame Geramyn for that you should say "THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT LOAD FROM OUR SHOULDERS BECAUSE WE OLD FARTS ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT"

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

why not?
a bigger country have more consumers - more consumers= more work

More consumers with less money = less work and more on benefits.

additionally better educations helps to resolve MANY global problems.

Very true, let's start by educating Muslims not to kill each other expecting others to take their refugees who are really migrants as very few will return home.

that is what we want from our politicicians that they can listen and change.

the OPPOSITE of what trump is doing.

How do you arrive at the conclusion that EU citizens want millions of non-EU migrants entering the EU? Polls show even in Germany people don't want it. Trump is trying to keep migrants out, which is what most want.

she did not encourage them. how could she?
these people entered in italy, greece, hungary and wherever.

look at the map if germany is a country where they can enter !

she was acting HUMAN and helped the neigbours who acted human too.

They entered the EU to walk to Germany, France, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Germany, etc.

She did encourage them. Angela Merkel's historic error on immigration

She has now changed her mind, after pols told her Germans don't want migrants. Germany offers asylum seekers up to ?1,200 each to voluntarily return to their home countries

ohhhh nooo - there are a LOT - because the sexcrimes in Germany did not rise because of the refugees (even when i do not refuse that there are problems) the sex crimes IN TOAL raised because the law have changed.

if you whistle behind a women in Geramy it is a sex crime - did you know that?
and this law became valid unfortunately in the same time when the refugees came.

Now you're talking bull shit, German officials have told German women to dress more modestly to avoid attracting Muslim sex attacks.

what else did she do?
did she send them somewhere else? where does she get the power from to give visa for foreign countries?

she was dealing with even non EU-countries to spread them in fair numbers.

and do not forget - these people are not immigrants at all. these are GUESTS and we have a human mandatory to help them til they can go back into their own country.

She does not have the power to invite millions of migrants to enter the EU. That did not stop her. She doesn't have the power to accept non-EU migrants. That did not stop her. If they are only from war zones and return after the war ends, they're refugees. If they stay in Europe, they're migrants. As research proves and many are coming from the African continent, they're migrants.

i am not sure how good you know how "EU-bills" arising.

Debt is rising.

countries with a strong economy pay most and countries with a low economy get from that. so what a fuck you talking abot? Germany took the MOST refugees and paid for it ALONE and BECAUSE it still is the strongest econony it pays to the other low economies TOO - the countries what did not even take refugees.

Low economy countries not only don't contribute, they gain from the EU when it dishes out the money. Germany should have taken them all as it was Merkel inviting them.

you should not blame Geramyn for that you should say "THANK YOU FOR TAKING THAT LOAD FROM OUR SHOULDERS BECAUSE WE OLD FARTS ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO HANDLE IT"

If the pro-EU politicians achieve their dream the richest States will have to subsidise the poorest ones. Unless it's only about Germant getting richer off the backs of the rest.



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[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

She has ruined Germany. Ruined...

jesus fucking christ...

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by thommy

Indeed it has something to do with smart politics because politics consists of 99.999% of compromise solutions.

if things are going only the way ONE site wants - it is called dictatorship and not democrathy.

Your lack of logic is astonishing and train of thought is all over the place. Did you suffer head trauma?

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

More consumers with less money = less work and more on benefits.

not the money what people do not have is poison for the economy - the money what they not spend is poison.

Very true, let's start by educating Muslims not to kill each other expecting others to take their refugees who are really migrants as very few will return home.

ok - where are we going to do that if nobody wants to let them in?

How do you arrive at the conclusion that EU citizens want millions of non-EU migrants entering the EU? Polls show even in Germany people don't want it. Trump is trying to keep migrants out, which is what most want.

no trump is producing MORE of them by making the world a weapon exhibition.

They entered the EU to walk to Germany, France, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Austria, Germany, etc.

well you want to see them dying in the sea ?

how can you expect humanity from people what you don not want to treat human?

She did encourage them. Angela Merkel's historic error on immigration

there CAN NOT BE AN ERROR ON HUMANITY !!!!
if you doubt that you are simply not human.

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She has now changed her mind, after pols told her Germans don't want migrants. Germany offers asylum seekers up to ?1,200 each to voluntarily return to their home countries

that is pretty obvious becasue SHE KNOWS that she does not own germany. and if smart or not smart she have to follow the will of the people WHAT SHE DID - what is wrong with it?

Now you're talking bull shit, German officials have told German women to dress more modestly to avoid attracting Muslim sex attacks.

look how wrong one can interprete a statistic



the light blue line shows you the number of sexual delicts from immigrants within the whole
categorie.

now you can see that the % of that doubled up from 2015 to 2016.

but this is the brainwash rethoric for people like you or nico. because in the same time we had 3 times more immigrants comming to Germany. so in fact the TOTAL number of this crimes WENT DOWN AND NOT UP !!!

a little bit maths is sometimes helpful to understand facts.

She does not have the power to invite millions of migrants to enter the EU. That did not stop her. She doesn't have the power to accept non-EU migrants. That did not stop her. If they are only from war zones and return after the war ends, they're refugees. If they stay in Europe, they're migrants. As research proves and many are coming from the African continent, they're migrants.

nope - Geramny is NOT allowing migrants from africa and never did.
these people from africa came with the refugees and because Germany had to do the work alone it was impossible to find out who is a refugee and who is a moneygrant.

Debt is rising.

if dept would not rise you would eat your shoes today.
because of uncontrolled financial market we had one of the biggest financial crisises in the last 100 years.

show me ONE country what could go out of that without more depts to push into the markets for making the economy moving.

obama was fucking sucsessful with that - but this have to be paid back one day somehow.

the only thing trump has done successfully up to now was to eliminate the laws what should protect us from another crisis.
he will throw america in poorness and with it the whole world.

Low economy countries not only don't contribute, they gain from the EU when it dishes out the money. Germany should have taken them all as it was Merkel inviting them.

we will not only take them all - we will make them customers and give a fucking shit on trumps tears that Germany´s economy is too strong.

yes it is strong very strong and that proves the opposite of your meaning.

If the pro-EU politicians achieve their dream the richest States will have to subsidise the poorest ones. Unless it's only about Germant getting richer off the backs of the rest.

i wonder how you can enjoy the life in a country what is one of this countries what ALWAYS AND EVER GOT from EU.

and i do not even complain that because chech republic grow from a piece of shit to a serous economy. but they did it because they did NOT share your thoughts or follow the rules of the brainwashed.

How do you propose the EU gets out of that mess?

i could write you a book with solutions but you will not understand them because you are a amateur economist with no knowledge of economic rules.

you would not even understand the visions i have on that because they are based on knowledge from a university and 40 years of experience and not from a beer bar discussion.

[Sarn]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

You care so much about America it's funny

Who if not me?

Originally Posted by thommy

i think she doen´t make mistakes.
even when i was never a merkel fan i have to accept that she is one of the smartest and coolest politicians we have.
she is never offensive and she never says something before she does not know what she is talking about.
i think in germany there is no one who can make this job better as she does it right now.

All getting better and better?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by StefanG

jesus fucking christ...

Has Angela Merkel destroyed Germany to the core?

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All for the German economy. Screw the rest of the countries and the identities they had. Cheap money cause of the Greece debts.

This says it all: "if you whistle behind a women in Geramy it is a sex crime - did you know that? and this law became valid unfortunately in the same time when the refugees came."

Why did they introduce these new laws ....?

But i must admit, in south america whistling works

Luckily not everyone in Germany thinks money is most important and you have to give up your identity for that.

Merkel wants a European Army. Holland doesn't (they say now, that will change soon). That will be the whole plan, a European army. Well, we saw in Srebrenica how much we can trust our 'állies'.

And keep attacking Trump, why? If they don't sign a Paris Climate paper, just go on with it without the USA and wait 3 years till there is another president. Or does she think he will stay 7 more years? They use Trump to get things done that a lot of people don't want. Merkel is very happy with Trump. Without Trump an European army wouldn't have so much support.

Most remarkable, people see the German Car Industry as good guys. They are worse than bankers with their emission fraud. The german car industry took billions of tax payers money from all over the world to make money and keep the cars low priced and destroy the environment. And now we must feel sorry for the bastards when they get an extra import tax in the USA? Trump must just call it an extra 'green'tax on cars, that is what other leaders would have called it.