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Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 04:47 AM

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Dear Client,

We are announcing new pricing for NATS effective October 1st, 2017.

We have not increased our pricing in over thirteen years, and in order to stay current with the market, continue to provide the level of support our clients have come to expect, and continue to evolve and advance NATS well into the future we are announcing a new pricing structure for new clients. Existing clients are grandfathered into the existing price structure with a 10% price increase.

Pricing for new clients as of October 1st, 2017:

Tier 1: $200, 0 to 300 joins per month (previously $150)
Tier 2: $450, 301 to 750 joins per month (previously $350)
Tier 3: $850, 751 to 2000 joins per month (previously $650)
Tier 4: $1150, 2001 to 5000 joins per month (previously $850)
Tier 5: $1550, 5001 to 9000 joins per month (previously $1150)
Overage: $500 per group 5,000 joins over 9000 joins.

So affiliate programs going out of business all the time now, and the bright decision they come up with ? RAISE PRICES!

Now i'm, going to seriously consider competitor services for real. Because fuck this attitude.

rayadp05 · 08-22-2017, 04:55 AM

I hated using NATS for my affiliates. That's why I went back to CCBill. I've been with CCBill for over 12 years now, and with absolutely no complaints at all.

Oracle Porn · 08-22-2017, 04:56 AM

why is a lot of programs switching away from nats lately? ive been wondering...

bns666 · 08-22-2017, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

why is a lot of programs switching away from nats lately? ive been wondering...

probably because prices

SendSeek_Brian · 08-22-2017, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

So affiliate programs going out of business all the time now, and the bright decision they come up with ? RAISE PRICES!

Now i'm, going to seriously consider competitor services for real. Because fuck this attitude.

For existing clients

Tier 1 - $165
Tier 2 - $375
Tier 3 - $715
Tier 4 - $935
Tier 5 - $1300

Lets say that you are at the bottom of Tier 5 (just reached the tier), it's 5001 sales *NOT COUNTING* rebills. If the average sale is $20 (NOT COUNTING rebills) it's $100,020.00 in sales.

Do you consider $1300 instead of $1150 over $100,020.00 not counting rebills too much?

Bladewire · 08-22-2017, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

So affiliate programs going out of business all the time now, and the bright decision they come up with ? RAISE PRICES!

Now i'm, going to seriously consider competitor services for real. Because fuck this attitude.

Are you an existing NATS customer?

They haven't increased prices in 13 years but they're greedy how?

just a punk · 08-22-2017, 06:24 AM

So you can't afford $200? ;)

JamesDrews · 08-22-2017, 06:26 AM

Those prices are nothing for big programs, just like SendSeek_Brian said.

Barry-xlovecam · 08-22-2017, 06:34 AM

You cannot afford them

12clicks · 08-22-2017, 06:52 AM

if you can't afford the increase, you're not really in business

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

Are you an existing NATS customer?

They haven't increased prices in 13 years but they're greedy how?

I've been for the past 5 years. And i still got a 10% raise.

What the actual fuck? Prices are already high as it is, and the numbers of affiliate programs aren't going up exactly.

I get that it's sophisticated and all, but i use the bare minimum of NATS functions.
So much cheaper competitors are looking much more attractive now. The only thing that kept me so far from moving is the new learning curve of new software.

This is a slap in the face from NATS.

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 12clicks

if you can't afford the increase, you're not really in business

Yeah and to be in the business you have to bang members for $125 for FREE trial, like someone i know does, right?

Just STFU, you're the biggest scumbag on this board.

yuu.design · 08-22-2017, 07:25 AM

well, i think is not expensive at all, just do some maths, if you can't afford that its why you are not doing things right

Jman · 08-22-2017, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by yuu

well, i think is not expensive at all, just do some maths, if you can't afford that its why you are not doing things right

Exactly what he said

Bladewire · 08-22-2017, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

Yeah and to be in the business you have to bang members for $125 for FREE trial, like someone i know does, right?

Just STFU, you're the biggest scumbag on this board.

I like 12 clicks, always have, and he's right

Probably a good time for those thinking about NATS to sign up now before the price increase

Brad Mitchell · 08-22-2017, 07:49 AM

NATS does a lot for little relative dollars. An increase of 10% is pretty humble after all of these years. Hell, our healthcare goes up by about that much almost every year.

Brad

CurrentlySober · 08-22-2017, 07:54 AM

the 'cunt a4d' is strong in this thread it is...

klinton · 08-22-2017, 08:06 AM

back then, in your previous thread, years ago, you bragged how you make shitload of money as you have milions - or hundreds of thousands - uniques from G per day.......................
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Originally Posted by Google Expert

I've been for the past 5 years. And i still got a 10% raise.

What the actual fuck? Prices are already high as it is, and the numbers of affiliate programs aren't going up exactly.

I get that it's sophisticated and all, but i use the bare minimum of NATS functions.
So much cheaper competitors are looking much more attractive now. The only thing that kept me so far from moving is the new learning curve of new software.

This is a slap in the face from NATS.

faxxaff · 08-22-2017, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rayadp05

I hated using NATS for my affiliates. That's why I went back to CCBill. I've been with CCBill for over 12 years now, and with absolutely no complaints at all.

I prefer CCBill programs over Nats. At least I will get paid.

jreg81 · 08-22-2017, 09:24 AM

When do paysite owners get to increase their base subscription prices? It's been $29.95 (give or take) for 10+ years now.

12clicks · 08-22-2017, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

Yeah and to be in the business you have to bang members for $125 for FREE trial, like someone i know does, right?

Just STFU, you're the biggest scumbag on this board.

oh dear child, perhaps if you spent less time trying to piss up at your betters with your tiny pee pee and more time looking for work, you wouldn't be part of the bitter bottom.
Our sites don't do anything of the sort. Stop projecting.

and get a job. mommy's basement is supposed to be a stop gap, not a way of life

Axeman · 08-22-2017, 10:16 AM

NATS is great at what they do. And they have pretty much zero competition at this point. The price for having a fully staffed, responsive tech team, with improvements, is still well worth it.

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by yuu

well, i think is not expensive at all, just do some maths, if you can't afford that its why you are not doing things right

i can afford it.

but money saved = money earned.

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

I like 12 clicks, always have, and he's right

just got to think outside the box, right?

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

back then, in your previous thread, years ago, you bragged how you make shitload of money as you have milions - or hundreds of thousands - uniques from G per day.......................
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so? does that mean i can throw money around?

thats why u are poor.

for that upgrade money i could have hired someone to do some shit for me...

klinton · 08-22-2017, 10:49 AM

i dont throw money around, and im still poor, please advise !

also, I think that with thousands of joins per month you dont care that much with NATS fee bigger of 10 %, which is lousy 100-200 bucks
someting is fishy here

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

so? does that mean i can throw money around?

thats why u are poor..

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton

i dont throw money around, and im still poor, please advise !

also, I think that with thousands of joins per month you dont care that much with NATS fee bigger of 10 %, which is lousy 100-200 bucks
someting is fishy here

If you save $200 at a few places (hosting, scripting, desigs, etc) , it's an extra 1k-2k per month.

Money saved = money earned.

Anyway, NATS risking their 6 year long clients for mere $200 makes no sense.

JFK · 08-22-2017, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by bladewire

are you an existing nats customer?

They haven't increased prices in 13 years but they're greedy how?

this ! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

12clicks · 08-22-2017, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

just got to think outside the box, right?

is that what you do, little fella? no wonder you're broke as a joke. I told you not to project and here you put up your own join page.

12clicks · 08-22-2017, 11:08 AM

I wonder how you claim "expert" at something but bitch about your $50 a month increase in costs. hahahaha

The Porn Nerd · 08-22-2017, 11:17 AM

If you are doing thousands of joins a month sure, no big deal. But how many Programs are still out there doing those kinds of numbers? 20? 30? 50? Chances are not that many (which is why NATS is raising their prices).

It's the mid-level Program that is more affected because their margins are forever shrinking (or so it seems). NATS should just bump the top 2-3 tiers and leave the first tier as is to help out smaller Programs. It's better than losing those clients due to shrinking margins.

st0ned · 08-22-2017, 11:24 AM

I see nothing wrong with this and as others have said if you are making that many sales per month the increase should be a drop in the bucket.

We've run other platforms and NATS by far has the best support IMO. We definitely wont be taking our business elsewhere.

NatalieK · 08-22-2017, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jreg81

When do paysite owners get to increase their base subscription prices? It's been $29.95 (give or take) for 10+ years now.

i´m charging $19.95 monthly and have a special $5 for 5 day $18 a month there after for Rabbits where I have a fantastic review!

Would love to start charging $29.99, may have to try it

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 01:03 PM

Point is, the programs that are still holding on out there, they aren't making millions. So these kind of price changes matter when everyone around is trying to fuck you over and put you out of business.

These things add up. And nowadays they matter. NATS had to do it cause programs are a dying breed now and NATS have to keep their $$$ flow going. But is this the right choice....

Evil Chris · 08-22-2017, 01:46 PM

NATS is much more than just an affiliate back-end. It does so much more than just that. It's also a mega sales tool for program owners.

baddog · 08-22-2017, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

So affiliate programs going out of business all the time now, and the bright decision they come up with ? RAISE PRICES!

Now i'm, going to seriously consider competitor services for real. Because fuck this attitude.

Looks to be more than than 10%. $150 would go to $165, not $200

Oracle Porn · 08-22-2017, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Looks to be more than than 10%. $150 would go to $165, not $200

read again

Denny · 08-22-2017, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jreg81

When do paysite owners get to increase their base subscription prices? It's been $29.95 (give or take) for 10+ years now.

brassmonkey · 08-22-2017, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oracle Porn

read again

Google Expert · 08-22-2017, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Looks to be more than than 10%. $150 would go to $165, not $200

I also buy backup and other services from them. The 10% bump adds up. I'm paying over $1150 right now, and use very little of their resources (support). You set it up once and pretty much good to go forever, with a minor support ticket maybe once a month. You dont need NATS wasting their time on fixing your shit every day.

When u figure in the bullshit bank charges, CBs, refunds, hosting, custom programming, various payout options that you eat conversions on, etc = you are trying to cut cost everywhere, because it ads up. However little money you can save can be used for media buying, fresh promos, se optimization etc.

I just think it's dumb to raise prices for an already dying business model. In a sense, they are helping kill it. I'm pretty sure NATS could have cut costs on some of their less successful projects instead of antagonizing loyal client base.

I'll be looking into MPA3, cause all i need is to track sales and have different tours. I'm using maybe 5% of what NATS have to offer, not needing anything else they have built in. And the cost could be cut but more than half.

BigFurry · 08-23-2017, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

I'll be looking into MPA3, cause all i need is to track sales and have different tours. I'm using maybe 5% of what NATS have to offer, not needing anything else they have built in. And the cost could be cut but more than half.

From an affiliate perspective, MPA3 is useless compared to NATS, missing tons of features. But if you don't have affiliates, and don't use the advanced features anyway, it might work.

Konda · 08-23-2017, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SendSeek_Brian

For existing clients

Tier 1 - $165
Tier 2 - $375
Tier 3 - $715
Tier 4 - $935
Tier 5 - $1300

Lets say that you are at the bottom of Tier 5 (just reached the tier), it's 5001 sales *NOT COUNTING* rebills. If the average sale is $20 (NOT COUNTING rebills) it's $100,020.00 in sales.

Do you consider $1300 instead of $1150 over $100,020.00 not counting rebills too much?

Actually if you do that many sales you would have a lot more than 1 Nats server and you have pay the license for each server.

I do agree it's not a lot of money but if you are in a dying business I don't think it's smart to increase prices.

Konda · 08-23-2017, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jreg81

When do paysite owners get to increase their base subscription prices? It's been $29.95 (give or take) for 10+ years now.

I think it's going the other way. More towards $19.95 and $9.95, see vixen.com (9.95/month) and fuckingawesome.com (free for 1 month then 9.95/month) for example

Customers these days are used to cheap prices because of Netflix, Spotify etc.

It takes longer to make the money, but in the long term you'll earn more with cheaper prices, you get more customers and they stay longer
(this only works if you keep producing high quality content and update regularly of course)

SendSeek_Brian · 08-23-2017, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Konda

Actually if you do that many sales you would have a lot more than 1 Nats server and you have pay the license for each server.

I do agree it's not a lot of money but if you are in a dying business I don't think it's smart to increase prices.

True if you balance the whole server but - from my experience - it's pointless.

About 80% of resources used by NATS is the database and you can balance the database on as many servers as you want without paying another license.

It's all about splitting services. I agree with you in case you want to balance the traffic on multiple servers.

adultchatpay · 08-23-2017, 01:56 AM

for new clients only?

Jel · 08-23-2017, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

So affiliate programs going out of business all the time now, and the bright decision they come up with ? RAISE PRICES!

yeah, a lot of my friends can't afford a house, fuck those house prices! greedy bastards!

I tell you what's even worse - a lot of people are struggling these days to buy a car.... just last week I was talking to a mate who saw a bmw he wanted, but couldn't afford it on what he earns. Turns out bmw have been raising their prices every year, so he either has to up his game to afford one, or go without. BMW = mercenaries

NATS = everything to do with what someone earns from their paysites. Drop fees to $1 a month, I say. That should stop paysites/programs going out of biz

OldJeff · 08-23-2017, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Google Expert

just got to think outside the box, right?

That's not 12clicks join page

OY · 08-29-2017, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFurry

From an affiliate perspective, MPA3 is useless compared to NATS, missing tons of features. But if you don't have affiliates, and don't use the advanced features anyway, it might work.

Curious to know what those missing features are? Please enlighten me.

BigFurry · 08-31-2017, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OY

Curious to know what those missing features are? Please enlighten me.

I checked again, MPA3 doesn't miss as much as I remembered, sorry

But some things it does seem to miss:
- detailed member information on each transaction - member & transaction ID (for identification & keeping track of lifetime value in our own system), exact time (hour:minutes:seconds), full transaction history (the time of the first join and each rebill), country, biller, package/subscription type
- nested stats breakdowns - eg. I breakdown by site first, but then I want to break down only that single site by campaign
- affiliate S2S postbacks on transactions
- add manual bonus to affiliates - when some affiliate program had some issue, they were unable to add the extra money to the MPA3 affiliate account (NATS has this option, called manual invoice)

This could be just a sponsor I checked, but these didn't seem to work well there:
- breakdown by continent/country - showed Unknown for all clicks
- payment history - no payouts shown there, NATS also shows unstored/carried over sum

Lewis11 · 08-31-2017, 12:32 PM

Very true

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08-22-2017, 01:03 PM	#34
Google Expert Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 14,295	Point is, the programs that are still holding on out there, they aren't making millions. So these kind of price changes matter when everyone around is trying to fuck you over and put you out of business. These things add up. And nowadays they matter. NATS had to do it cause programs are a dying breed now and NATS have to keep their $$$ flow going. But is this the right choice....

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