Woah! Fox News is turning on Trump! "Fox News Host Neil Cavuto Tells Trump He Stinks In Takedown

[2MuchMark]

"Fox News Host Neil Cavuto Tells Trump He Stinks In Fiery Takedown"
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/...b0ab5c3d6394b5



Cavuto calls out Trump on a few things, but still weenie's out on a few things. At least he's finally showing some balls here.

Trumpers: Watch the clip and let me know if you're having second thoughts yet.

[Diomed]

Mark,

Put some of your obsession into earning money so you can buy your domain back.

Your supposed to be the reasonable nerd. The diligent Asian. A middle rider in good form.

Without that what's your thing? Your actions of late don't exude much confidence.

[Bladewire]

↑↑↑ Fake nic

The only people behind Trump at this stage are con artists, Putin's online troll farm, foreigners that want America to fail, racists & xenophobes. Oh and TV personalities paid to "support" him, same for the paid people in his administration.

[dyna mo]

more Americans need to hold the POTUS accountable to values and morals like that.

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑↑↑ Fake nic

The only people behind Trump at this stage are con artists, Putin's online troll farm, foreigners that want America to fail, racists & xenophobes. Oh and TV personalities paid to "support" him, same for the paid people in his administration.

Bladewire.

Please account for your accusations.

$1000 is on the table. Eric can confirm.

You have yet to respond. Strange.. Isn't it. 77% of this board are fake nics according to your shillganda.

https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-p...-fake-nic.html

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by Diomed

Mark,

Put some of your obsession into earning money so you can buy your domain back.

Your supposed to be the reasonable nerd. The diligent Asian. A middle rider in good form.

Without that what's your thing? Your actions of late don't exude much confidence.

Nothing to say of the actual clip ????

[Diomed]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Nothing to say of the actual clip ????

No.. I didn't watch it.

But let's say I did and I agreed with you about the clip. Cool?

Still hate to see Mark fall by the waist side with the "obsession" that's making everyone sick

[Robbie]

Cavuto, Shep Smith, Chris Wallace, and many other reporters at Fox News have ALWAYS reported straight up.
But many people believe the narrative of Fox being "bad".
Hannity and other opinion shows are biased.
But the,actual NEWS shows on Fox are,excellent.
Meanwhile CNN doesn't have ANY news shows left and do 100% opinion shows that are all anti-trump.

By the way...I voted Trump and agree 100% with him on trade, the economy, and foreign policy.
I DON'T agree with every last little thing as I am not a robot like many are when it comes to politics.

But I literally believe the President saved our country from economic ruin.
Can't wait to vote for him again.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by Robbie

By the way...I voted Trump and agree 100% with him on trade, the economy, and foreign policy.
I DON'T agree with every last little thing as I am not a robot like many are when it comes to politics.

But I literally believe the President saved our country from economic ruin.
Can't wait to vote for him again.

Yes president Obama saved our country from economic ruin.

You have never, EVER, disagreed with Trump on anything posted here, EVER, fucking liar

[mineistaken]

In libby world - straght up honest reporting is "turning".
Because they are used to dishonest non objective one side bashing like cnn does. Straight up honest reporting is turning to them

[mineistaken]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Can't wait to vote for him again.

6 more years of greatness

[Bladewire]

Republicans are so lost they are now eating their own. Love it

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Diomed

Mark,

Put some of your obsession into earning money so you can buy your domain back.

Thanks for your concern but I don't want to buy my domain back.

Originally Posted by dyna mo

more Americans need to hold the POTUS accountable to values and morals like that.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Diomed

No.. I didn't watch it.

You should watch it! If I'm a libby and I can watch a Fox News clip, why can't you? Even if you aren't interested in the clip itself, you should at least watch it before commenting in this thread. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by Diomed

Still hate to see Mark fall by the waist side with the "obsession" that's making everyone sick

Trump isn't an obsession with me - its everyone else's support of him that interests me. Here's a guy who has clearly lied to everyone, but he still gets applause. Sorry but I will never understand why some people (like you?) support him.

Originally Posted by Robbie

Cavuto, Shep Smith, Chris Wallace, and many other reporters at Fox News have ALWAYS reported straight up.

Honestly I don't know anything about Cavuto. Wallace used to be better before Fox. Shep: I don't know, but I'll give him a few points, sure. I've seen his show a couple of times and I'd say out of everyone at Fox, he is the most trustworthy.

[QUOTE=Robbie;22264886]
Hannity and other opinion shows are biased. [/quote[

I just fell off my chair. YES! Robbie I think Crocket and I are rubbing off on you....!

Originally Posted by Robbie

Can't wait to vote for him again.

Boner: Destroyed!

[Acepimp]

"Inconsistencies" - LOL!

Mark, he doesn't telegraph his moves ahead of time, like the previous president did.

I doubt you'll understand this concept, but the fact is that sometimes disinformation is necessary. It would be foolish to let enemies know what he's about to do on certain things. He's a brilliant strategist playing a very complex game, which isn't a game.

Cavuto doesn't get it. Most of the examples he gives aren't even accurate.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

↑↑↑ Fake nic

The only people behind Trump at this stage are con artists, Putin's online troll farm, foreigners that want America to fail, racists & xenophobes. Oh and TV personalities paid to "support" him, same for the paid people in his administration.

Is that why he won 83% of US counties??

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

"Inconsistencies" - LOL!

Mark, he doesn't telegraph his moves ahead of time, like the previous president did.

I doubt you'll understand this concept, but the fact is that sometimes disinformation is necessary. It would be foolish to let enemies know what he's about to do on certain things. He's a brilliant strategist playing a very complex game, which isn't a game.

Cavuto doesn't get it. Most of the examples he gives aren't even accurate.

You should contact the various news outlets and let them know you're available to fill in for Kellyann Conway if need be.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Is that why he won 83% of US counties??

Yes. Yes it is.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Yes. Yes it is.

Wait, so you're saying that you believe the voters in 83% of US counties are "con artists, Putin's online troll farm, foreigners that want America to fail, racists & xenophobes"??

You're slippin' bro. It's just sad that you support the communist left & spew false accusations like BladeLiar does. In my state every single county voted for Bernie in the primary. Then, after crooked Hillary & little Debbie Shultz rigged the election in various ways to screw Bernie, every single county in my state rejected these criminals and voted for Trump. Pretty sure none of us are con artists, Russian trolls, racists, or xenophobes. We simply rejected a corrupt, career criminal who frankly is an evil psychopath.

She lost because she was awful. He won and he's been fantastic. Deal with it!

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Wait, so you're saying that you believe the voters in 83% of US counties are "con artists, Putin's online troll farm, foreigners that want America to fail, racists & xenophobes"??

No. I'm saying that up to millions users of social media sites such as Facebook saw misleading ads, messages and groups placed there by Russian Trolls and the Trump campaign with the assistance of Cambridge Analytica, and that millions more viewed or read deceptive and misleading advertising, comments or speeches by other outlets, and that many millions of voters may have cast their votes based on wrong, misleading or incomplete information.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

You're slippin' bro. It's just sad that you support the communist left

Commies and lefties are 2 different things, and both are complex and rich in detail and nuance. Also alot of people tend to get communism and socialism mixed up. Are you sure you are placing me into the right category here?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

& spew false accusations like BladeLiar does.

These aren't accusations - they are opinions. I believe X,Y and Z and you believe 1,2 and 3. Neither one of us are political experts otherwise we would be politicians. Let's respect that.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

In my state every single county voted for Bernie in the primary.

Which state is that?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Then, after crooked Hillary & little Debbie Shultz rigged the election in various ways to screw Bernie, every single county in my state rejected these criminals and voted for Trump. Pretty sure none of us are con artists, Russian trolls, racists, or xenophobes. We simply rejected a corrupt, career criminal who frankly is an evil psychopath.

What others may have done in the past should not make it ok for Donald Trump to do. If your neighbour robs a bank does that make it ok for you to do?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

She lost because she was awful. He won and he's been fantastic. Deal with it!

No dude that's over simplifying things.

She lost because she ignored a significant percentage of voters, AND because Trump was much more charismatic than she was, AND because of Russian interference, AND because Trump touched on the underlying hate and fear in some people, AND because he lies constantly to whatever crowd he was in front of.

[Bladewire]

So fulfilling watching Fox turn on Trump

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No. I'm saying that up to millions users of social media sites such as Facebook saw misleading ads, messages and groups placed there by Russian Trolls and the Trump campaign with the assistance of Cambridge Analytica, and that millions more viewed or read deceptive and misleading advertising, comments or speeches by other outlets, and that many millions of voters may have cast their votes based on wrong, misleading or incomplete information.

It's been determined that if there was foreign meddling, it didn't affect the outcome of the election.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Commies and lefties are 2 different things, and both are complex and rich in detail and nuance. Also alot of people tend to get communism and socialism mixed up. Are you sure you are placing me into the right category here?

You may be right- the left is more aligned with the National Socialist Party (aka the Nazis.)

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

These aren't accusations - they are opinions. I believe X,Y and Z and you believe 1,2 and 3. Neither one of us are political experts otherwise we would be politicians. Let's respect that.

No foreign country changed the outcome of the election. This has been stated in Congressional testimony.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Which state is that?

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

What others may have done in the past should not make it ok for Donald Trump to do. If your neighbour robs a bank does that make it ok for you to do?

I don't follow... Did Trump rig the election with super delegates? Did Trump hire operatives to take busloads of homeless people to vote at 10 different locations? Or collude with the entire media establishment? No, crooked H did all that, and Trump still beat her in a rigged election.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

No dude that's over simplifying things.

She lost because she ignored a significant percentage of voters, AND because Trump was much more charismatic than she was, AND because of Russian interference, AND because Trump touched on the underlying hate and fear in some people, AND because he lies constantly to whatever crowd he was in front of.

^^ Well the first 2 points are accurate - But seriously, claiming "hate and fear" is just absurd. It's not being hateful to support border security. We taxpayers waste $130 billion / year on services to illegal non-citizens, so spending $20 billion on a border wall will pay for itself and then save us a ton of cash. Mark, black unemployment is at the lowest rate ever. That wouldn't happen if the country was flooded with millions of migrants. BTW we already take in more immigrants than all other countries combined, and that's fine, we just prefer LEGAL immigration. None of this is based on "fear & hatred." (Despite what the lying democrats tell you)

[Robbie]

Not only is black unemployment at historical lows...but since Pres. Trump repealed ALL of the economic policys of Pres. Obama (which were all done via Executive Order...so Trump rescinded them all in the first few weeks he was in office)...the economy is BOOMING.

Once all those anti-business bad economic policies of Pres. Obama were removed...America started working again.

And now, for the first time in EIGHTEEN YEARS...we have 3.9% unemployment.
And it's not service industry and other low paying jobs. It's REAL jobs.

You know...all the stuff that the "experts" were claiming Trump couldn't do.

What was that nonsense that Pres. Obama said during the 2016 campaign?
“He just says, ‘I’m gonna negotiate a better deal.’ Well how? How exactly are you going to negotiate that?” Obama said during the town hall portion of the event. “What magic wand do you have? And usually the answer is, he doesn’t have an answer.”

Well...I guess Trump turned out to be a freakin' wizard because he not only made every pundit and expert look like fools...he showed that Pres. Obama did not have a clue when it came to the economy.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

It's been determined that if there was foreign meddling, it didn't affect the outcome of the election.

and

Originally Posted by Acepimp

No foreign country changed the outcome of the election. This has been stated in Congressional testimony.

Wired magazine disagrees with you.
https://www.wired.com/story/did-russ...ow-undeniable/

and so does
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/20...cts/index.html
The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntial-election
The Council onForeign Relations: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/rus...16-us-election
Vox: https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/13/...trump-sessions
The NewYorker: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...t-a-conspiracy
Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...tial-election/
The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-trump/510689/
The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/r...ection-hacking
NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...cials-weigh-in
The Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...2016-election/
Google (via ZDNET) https://www.zdnet.com/article/google...016-elections/
Business Insider: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-d...clinton-2017-9
ABC: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-0...-putin/8167552
Time: http://time.com/4783932/inside-russi...a-war-america/
MSNBC: https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch...n-820388419659

Ya see where I'm going with this I hope...

Originally Posted by Acepimp

You may be right- the left is more aligned with the National Socialist Party (aka the Nazis.)

Not true, and not funny. Come on. Lots of Trump followers are facists but you don't see me calling you a Nazi. Cut it out.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

I don't follow... Did Trump rig the election with super delegates?

Not that I heard of.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Did Trump hire operatives to take busloads of homeless people to vote at 10 different locations?

Not that I know of, and besides, that's a pretty inefficient way to steal votes.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Or collude with the entire media establishment?

No not that I know of. Fox News maybe, but that's just conjecture.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

No, crooked H did all that

Links please.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

and Trump still beat her in a rigged election.

Yes he did, and yes it was.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Well the first 2 points are accurate - But seriously, claiming "hate and fear" is just absurd. It's not being hateful to support border security.

"Mexico is sending rapists" and "Illegals are stealing your jobs" are 2 themes that resonate deep in some people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...f-fear/498116/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...nthusiasm.html
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/stuar..._10316092.html

Originally Posted by Acepimp

We taxpayers waste $130 billion / year on services to illegal non-citizens,

Links? Proof?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

so spending $20 billion on a border wall will pay for itself and then save us a ton of cash.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush both say that about 40% of illegal immigrants arrive to the US from the air, not by crossing the US/Mexico border on land.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...nts-are-overs/

If this number is right, The $20 Billion dollar wall won't save you as much as you think. (And didn't Trump promise you that Mexico was going to pay for that wall?) And don't forget maintenance costs, the cost to wildlife and the environment, etc.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Mark, black unemployment is at the lowest rate ever.

Yes it is, Congrats!

Originally Posted by Acepimp

That wouldn't happen if the country was flooded with millions of migrants.

I'm confused. Unemployment is at its lowest. The Economy is at it's highest. Why do you need the wall again?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

BTW we already take in more immigrants than all other countries combined,

Yes you have, and that's awesome!

Originally Posted by Acepimp

and that's fine, we just prefer LEGAL immigration.

Of course you do, and I'm sure they do too. Isn't it a better idea to make it easier to immigrate legally to the US? To try to speed-up processing etc so that families can be settled faster?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

None of this is based on "fear & hatred." (Despite what the lying democrats tell you)

From Republican Richard Corcoran


Don't get me wrong. If there are too many immigrants or refugees to a country, it can become a problem such as a drain on resources. Many people like myself just do not agree that building a wall is the answer to a problem like this. We have a much harder time accepting giving any credibility to the idea of a wall when it comes from such a narcissistic dude like Trump.

Let me ask you a question (are you still reading this far down?): If there was a way to reduce or eliminate the problem of illegal refugees entering the US, that did NOT involve Trump building his wall, would you prefer it?

Peace.

[Acepimp]

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Wired magazine disagrees with you.
https://www.wired.com/story/did-russ...ow-undeniable/

and so does
CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/20...cts/index.html
The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntial-election
The Council onForeign Relations: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/rus...16-us-election
Vox: https://www.vox.com/world/2017/6/13/...trump-sessions
The NewYorker: https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-c...t-a-conspiracy
Politifact: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...tial-election/
The Atlantic: https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...-trump/510689/
The New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/r...ection-hacking
NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...cials-weigh-in
The Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...2016-election/
Google (via ZDNET) https://www.zdnet.com/article/google...016-elections/
Business Insider: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-d...clinton-2017-9
ABC: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-0...-putin/8167552
Time: http://time.com/4783932/inside-russi...a-war-america/
MSNBC: https://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch...n-820388419659

Ya see where I'm going with this I hope...

^^ Yeah, you believe Democrat shills. Seriously, it came out in Congressional testimony that whatever happened didn't effect the outcome. Facebook execs testified that more than half the FB ads were placed AFTER the election and many of them were for Anti-Trump / pro-Hillary causes. Sorry but facts are facts.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Not true, and not funny. Come on. Lots of Trump followers are facists but you don't see me calling you a Nazi. Cut it out.

It is true. Not accusing anyone specific, but are you sure you want to align yourself with these people?

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Not that I know of, and besides, that's a pretty inefficient way to steal votes.

But they admit it, been doing it for decades:




^^ At 1:55 he says: "We've been bussing people in for 50 years to deal with you fuckin' assholes and we're not gonna stop now." - That's called election fraud.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

"Mexico is sending rapists" and "Illegals are stealing your jobs" are 2 themes that resonate deep in some people.

Both of those are true:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mexican+de...s&t=hh&ia=news

Flooding the country with immigrants reduces wages for everyone. Why do you think some Republicans are against Trump & the wall? Cheap labor.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush both say that about 40% of illegal immigrants arrive to the US from the air, not by crossing the US/Mexico border on land.

Absurd. Those guys are globalist scumbags. There really is a massive problem with drug cartels and human trafficking at the border.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

If this number is right, The $20 Billion dollar wall won't save you as much as you think. (And didn't Trump promise you that Mexico was going to pay for that wall?) And don't forget maintenance costs, the cost to wildlife and the environment, etc.

Border Wall Would Pay For Itself By Cutting Welfare Use By Illegal Immigrants

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

I'm confused. Unemployment is at its lowest. The Economy is at it's highest. Why do you need the wall again?

To protect American jobs for Americans. Flooding the country with cheap labor hurts wages for everyone.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Of course you do, and I'm sure they do too. Isn't it a better idea to make it easier to immigrate legally to the US? To try to speed-up processing etc so that families can be settled faster?

No, it's a better idea to help those people in their home countries. Why do they want to leave? Because the leaders there are corrupt scumbags who steal all the money. We can fix that and help them where they are.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark

Don't get me wrong. If there are too many immigrants or refugees to a country, it can become a problem such as a drain on resources. Many people like myself just do not agree that building a wall is the answer to a problem like this. We have a much harder time accepting giving any credibility to the idea of a wall when it comes from such a narcissistic dude like Trump.

Let me ask you a question (are you still reading this far down?): If there was a way to reduce or eliminate the problem of illegal refugees entering the US, that did NOT involve Trump building his wall, would you prefer it?

Like what, helicopter gun ships? The wall isn't just about migrants. It's about ending drug smuggling, human trafficking, and violent criminals entering the country. And about the cost:

BREAKING: Mexico Agrees To Pay for Wall – Offering Emergency Deal To Close NAFTA Tariff Loophole…

It's happening bro, and that's a good thing.

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by Acepimp

^^ Yeah, you believe Democrat shills.

And Fox News has more credibility because..?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Seriously, it came out in Congressional testimony that whatever happened didn't effect the outcome.

No dude, you've got it wrong, and you leave out important points.

It was Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, said he "did not believe" that Russian Hacking "altered or suppressed votes".

If you want to argue your points, keep them accurate or else it looks like you don't know what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Facebook execs testified that more than half the FB ads were placed AFTER the election and many of them were for Anti-Trump / pro-Hillary causes. Sorry but facts are facts.

First, ok.. I guess..? So what? And next, links to prove it please? And next next, The Russia backed Facebook ads reached 126 Million Americans during the 2016 election. You don't think these ads pushed anyone to vote for Trump?

[QUOTE=Acepimp;22266399]
It is true. Not accusing anyone specific, but are you sure you want to align yourself with these people?




You need to try harder to learn the truth about people and the world. First, that chart is just ridiculous and made from someone with the mind of a 2 year old so again, using it as some kind of method to categorize me and other people really hurts you, not me.

But if you're asking, I am, in order of your little chart there,
- Pro democracy
- Pro Socialized Medicine
- Anti Most guns
- Anti Censorship
- Anti Media Mind Control (Lol!).
- Pro Abortion
- I don't hate any group of people
- Atheist.
- Pro Kittens, they're so cute! (Had to add that one)

Originally Posted by Acepimp

But they admit it, been doing it for decades:

"They" admit nothing. "He" (Schulkin) is just stating his belief or conspiracy theory. It's not happening.

Besides, think about it - it's a very expensive, very slow, very inefficient way to steal a vote with no guarantee of success.

The best way to steal votes is via Gerrymandering. Look it up.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

^^ At 1:55 he says: "We've been bussing people in for 50 years to deal with you fuckin' assholes and we're not gonna stop now." - That's called election fraud.

No Evidence of Busing Voters to N.H.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/02/no...voters-to-n-h/

Originally Posted by Acepimp

Flooding the country with immigrants reduces wages for everyone. Why do you think some Republicans are against Trump & the wall? Cheap labor.

If they don't want the wall just because they are afraid of losing cheap labour, they are selling themselves short.

More immigrants to a country tends to expand that countries economy. More people in the US means more people buying things like groceries, clothing, electronics, and eventually cars & houses, helping businesses move product and make more money.

And yes of course some immigrants need help from things like welfare and food stamps. But this pays off eventually. Immigrants also tend to start their own businesses once they become settled.

All the baby boomers are reaching retirement age. This means higher costs for healthcare and government services that younger people will have to pay for through taxes. A stronger economy and more tax payers will help ease this burden.

More than half of the top tech companies in Silicon Valley were started by immigrants.

Trump's wall is a completely stupid idea.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

There really is a massive problem with drug cartels and human trafficking at the border.

Maybe it is, condemning an entire class of people for the actions of a few isn't fair, and isn't good for anyone.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

To protect American jobs for Americans. Flooding the country with cheap labor hurts wages for everyone.

Except that it doesn't.

Originally Posted by Acepimp

No, it's a better idea to help those people in their home countries.

You didn't think that statement through before you typed it, did you?

Originally Posted by Acepimp

BREAKING: Mexico Agrees To Pay for Wall – Offering Emergency Deal To Close NAFTA Tariff Loophole…[/URL]

It's happening bro, and that's a good thing.

LOL! It's not, and it's not.


Peace my brotha'.

[Slappin Fish]

They won't turn on him now that he has gone full neocon...