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EddyTheDog · 05-24-2018, 02:53 AM

MH17 missile owned by Russian brigade, investigators say - BBC News

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It was hit by a BUK missile fired from rebel-held territory in Ukraine. Russia says none of its weapons was used.

But on Thursday, Dutch investigator Wilbert Paulissen told reporters: "All the vehicles in a convoy carrying the missile were part of the Russian armed forces."

just a punk · 05-24-2018, 03:46 AM

Some Dutch "investigator" can say anything because he is just a... Dutch investigator who knows nothing. The Russian military are tracking all the civilian airlines, so they could not confuse anything civilian with a military plane. So it was done by the Ukrainian rebels or by the regular Ukrainian army (both sides use BUKs).

This is a sequences of the official Ukrainian aviation strike against... the Ukrainian civilians (WARNING: it's a graphic video, so don't watch it if you have a weak heart):

So I have a zero trust to the Dutch "investigator" after that...

EddyTheDog · 05-24-2018, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Some Dutch investigator can say anything because he is just a... Dutch investigator who knows nothing. The Russian military are tracking all the civilian airlines, so they could not confuse anything civilian with a military plane. So it was done by the Ukrainian rebels or by the regular Ukrainian army (both sides use BUKs).

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"All the vehicles in a convoy carrying the missile were part of the Russian armed forces."

There were MANY investigators from all over the world - It wasn't just 1 Dutch guy - Also I don't think they are suggesting the Russian's were confused about anything...

just a punk · 05-24-2018, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

"All the vehicles in a convoy carrying the missile were part of the Russian armed forces."

The Dutch "investigator" told you so? Ah, ok then... Take a bottle of vodka against a heart attack and watch the video I've posted above. That was not Russia. That was the Ukrainian aviation which used bombs against the Ukrainian civilians. Can you trust to a country which does this?

Course both - the rebels and the official Ukrainian army have used BUKs... and they use them even now. But Russian army knows about all civilian airflights with a 100% accuracy. While the Ukrainian army don't: Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 - Wikipedia - read the article to reset your hangovered mind.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 03:57 AM

I trust western media 300%

EddyTheDog · 05-24-2018, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

I trust western media 300%

What has that got to do with anything? - They are just telling you what the massive INTERNATIONAL investigation team have said - Did the investigating team not say this then?..

just a punk · 05-24-2018, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

What has that got to do with anything? - They are just telling you what the massive INTERNATIONAL investigation team have said - Did the investigating team not say this then?..

"INTERNATIONAL investigation"? In the war zone of Donbass? You should be a dumbass if you really think it's possible.

EddyTheDog · 05-24-2018, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

"INTERNATIONAL investigation"? In the war zone of Donbass? You should be a dumbass if you really think it's possible.

Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine = International...

just a punk · 05-24-2018, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Netherlands, Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine = International...

LOL

Are you really that stupid? Donbass is a war zone. Nobody is able to investigate anything there.

By the way... Did you watch the youtube video? Can you trust to a country which does this towards its own CIVILIAN citizens?

EddyTheDog · 05-24-2018, 04:13 AM

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EddyTheDog · 05-24-2018, 04:16 AM

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LOL

Are you really that stupid? Donbass is a war zone. Nobody is able to investigate anything there.

We all saw video of the investigators on the ground - Also most of the investigation like any other would not have taken place at the scene...

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

What has that got to do with anything? - They are just telling you what the massive INTERNATIONAL investigation team have said - Did the investigating team not say this then?..

this whole story reminds me of saddams invisible WMD or assads chemical attacks on completely irrelevant civilian targets...russia shooting down a malay aircraft for no reason at all...yeah...sounds legit...

cyberceo is right that the military tracks all civilian airplanes...they are all marked like this:

so the chances of any country in the world confusing a civilian flight with a military one are next to 0 because all the planes on radar have distinctive markings...

the whole story smells like western false flag to me...when in doubt follow the money...russian motives for shooting down a malay aircraft = 0....western/rebel motives for false flag = greater than zero...

EddyTheDog · 05-24-2018, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

this whole story reminds me of saddams invisible WMD or assads chemical attacks on completely irrelevant civilian targets...russia shooting down a malay aircraft for no reason at all...yeah...sounds legit...

cyberceo is right that the military tracks all civilian airplanes...they are all marked like this:

so the chances of any country in the world confusing a civilian flight with a military one are next to 0 because all the planes on radar have distinctive markings...

the whole story smells like western false flag to me...when in doubt follow the money...russian motives for shooting down a malay aircraft = 0....western/rebel motives for false flag = greater than zero...

Who suggested there was any Russian confusion?..

just a punk · 05-24-2018, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Who suggested there was any Russian confusion?..

You want to say that the regular Russian army has knowingly destroyed a civilian plane? What for? Where is a profit? Are you sure there are no cockroaches in your brain?

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Who suggested there was any Russian confusion?..

and their motive would be what?

I presented a clear and obvious motive for the rebels/west to false flag this...

just a punk · 05-24-2018, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

and their motive would be what?

I presented a clear and obvious motive for the rebels/west to false flag this...

I will explain it. The Ukrainians had a real motive to get it down. Actually that civilian plane was escorted by the military Ukrainian jet fighter (don't know why nobody mentioned it here).

The rebels could do it too because they have used only one single BUK unit, which can't track civilian airlines etc and works on a very short distance (those clowns just thought it was a military jet carier). The Russian army does not use BUKs like that. It does use the BUK complexes - at least 4 (BUK-M1) or 5 (BUK-M2) mobile units that work together. Since there was only one BUK unit, it was something rogue which could not be a part of the Russian army. It's like the American aircraft carrier alone... w/o any support group.

P.S. To the OP. I know that the "international investigation" is cool, but just turn your logic on. Maybe your brain is so simple and your logic is similar to 4-bit logic of my cat, but you still have it. Once again: just try to turn it on when you read "the news".

BaldBastard · 05-24-2018, 04:54 AM

Ruskies, even though I'd believe 100%.. Russia's at fault

Now's not the time to be defending.. the decision has been made.. Russia did it.

All that's needed now is for Mueller to finish his investigation in to the American 2016 elections. Forgetting if Trump was colluding or not, the question of if Russia was trying to influence those elections or not is pretty much concluded as yes. Mueller's just going to report on how deep the rabbit hole went, and where it stopped.

Also better hope they don't find to many manuals printed in Russian around North Koreas arsenals.

What ever hardships the west has place on your country in the past.. pale to what is coming.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 06:21 AM

<-------------the truth ........... western media------------------------>

crockett · 05-24-2018, 06:52 AM

Cyberseo's plausible anser... US forces stole BUk missile system, snuck it into Ukraine with out anyone noticing then fired off missiles to shoot down a airliner so everyone would blame poor innocent Russia who was just protecting it's people by invading another nation.

Russia dindo nuffins wrong..

J. Falcon · 05-24-2018, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

There were MANY investigators from all over the world - It wasn't just 1 Dutch guy - Also I don't think they are suggesting the Russian's were confused about anything...

Pro Putin Russians hate it when they get called out on their pathological lying.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Cyberseo's plausible anser... US forces stole BUk missile system, snuck it into Ukraine with out anyone noticing then fired off missiles to shoot down a airliner so everyone would blame poor innocent Russia who was just protecting it's people by invading another nation.

Russia dindo nuffins wrong..

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Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Pro Putin Russians hate it when they get called out on their pathological lying.

possible motive for russia to shoot down a malay civil plane and bring down upon itself a shitstorm of international condemnation?

I have laid out a very very good motive for the west to false flag this with ukraine...I bet no anti-rest-of-the-world westerner will give a reasonable answer...

crockett · 05-24-2018, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

I trust western media 300%

Meanwhile your Russian media has changed their excuses for MH17 about 3 or 4 times so far..

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Meanwhile your Russian media has changed their excuses for MH17 about 3 or 4 times so far..

just as I said...no anti-rest-of-the-world westerner will give a reasonable motive for russia shooting down a malay civil aircraft...

crockett · 05-24-2018, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

possible motive for russia to shoot down a malay civil plane and bring down upon itself a shitstorm of international condemnation?

I have laid out a very very good motive for the west to false flag this with ukraine...I bet no anti-rest-of-the-world westerner will give a reasonable answer...

Possible motive = you had soldiers inside Ukraine working independently from your govt to help the rebels.. These soldiers didn't have access to Russian tracking info because communications would prove Russian was funding the invasion.

Your guys launched ar what they thought was a troop transport and killed a bunch of civilians. Your guys fucked up and Russia being Russ in a is too cowardly to admit it..

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 07:27 AM

dance ruskies dance.

it wasn't ruskie, it was one arm man.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Possible motive = you had soldiers inside Ukraine working independently from your govt to help the rebels.. These soldiers didn't have access to Russian tracking info because communications would prove Russian was funding the invasion.

Your guys launched ar what they thought was a troop transport and killed a bunch of civilians. Your guys fucked up and Russia being Russ in a is too cowardly to admit it..

ok so they did not have access to russian tracking so they just shot a missile in the sky "blind"?...I am sorry but that is a very very weak explanation...in this modern day of mobiles/satteline/encryption your theory that they did not have intel from russia is just amazing...

"look something is on the radar, we do not know what it is, better shoot it down"

I am sorry but that is not how things work...you dont just fire blind in the sky...

crockett · 05-24-2018, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

ok so they did not have access to russian tracking so they just shot a missile in the sky "blind"?...I am sorry but that is a very very weak explanation...in this modern day of mobiles/satteline/encryption your theory that they did not have intel from russia is just amazing...

"look something is on the radar, we do not know what it is, better shoot it down"

I am sorry but that is not how things work...you dont just fire blind in the sky...

You know as well as I do that the missile system has localized radar, they just failed to id the plane as civilian. Your guys fucked up.. You equal a coward because you are too much of a shithead to admit it.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You know as well as I do that the missile system has localized radar, they just failed to id the plane as civilian. Your guys fucked up.. You equal a coward because you are too much of a shithead to admit it.

I did not say the system does not have radar...on the contrary, let me quote myself:

"look something is on the radar, we do not know what it is, better shoot it down"

I am just finding it extremely hard to believe, that in the modern day of mobile/sattelite phones and encryption that the russian forces had no intel about the plane...also if you do not know what something is you dont just shoot at it...it just sounds like a very very weak explanation...

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 07:42 AM

keep squealing like little girls ruskies.

crockett · 05-24-2018, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

I did not say the system does not have radar...on the contrary, let me quote myself:

"look something is on the radar, we do not know what it is, better shoot it down"

I am just finding it extremely hard to believe, that in the modern day of mobile/sattelite phones and encryption that the russian forces had no intel about the plane...also if you do not know what something is you dont just shoot at it...it just sounds like a very very weak explanation...

It was a war zone, I think it's safe to assume there was some fog of war going on.. No one has said Russia purposely shot down the airliner. Your guys did it by mistake for whatever reason..

Russia however is too cowardly to admit and pretends you dino nuffis.. This is Russia's line on everything "dino nuffins"

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 07:55 AM

but but but American GFYers are bomb droppers.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It was a war zone, I think it's safe to assume there was some fog of war going on.. No one has said Russia purposely shot down the airliner. Your guys did it by mistake for whatever reason..

Russia however is too cowardly to admit and pretends you dino nuffis.. This is Russia's line on everything "dino nuffins"

the more I think about your theory the less sense it makes...you claim the russians inside ukranie did not have contact with russia because this would prove that russia is involved, yet they had an anti aircraft system like the BUK that are easily spotted...

"oh look the rebels made a BUK"

also you dance around the fact that they clearly had mobile/sattelite phones with encryption available and that they fired a very expensive missile at an unknown target without consulting with higher up authorities?

sounds like reaching to me...

on the other hand, a false flag operation by the ukranians and the west fits the glove perfectly

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

on the other hand, a false flag operation by the ukranians and the west fits the glove perfectly

your fantasy makes sense when you leave out the evidence.

keep dancing.

you're not even ruskie, you're worse, you're just a ruskie dick sucker.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

your fantasy makes sense when you leave out the evidence.

keep dancing.

you're not even ruskie, you're worse, you're just a ruskie dick sucker.

"Evidence" like with saddams invisible WMD?

I remember everybody had "Evidence" but then merica invaded and poof! nothing...not a trace....

want to hear the silence of the americans? just ask them "what about saddams invisible WMD? why did you guys lie?"

*crickets*

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 08:09 AM

*mother fucking crickets*

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 08:11 AM

only an uneducated anti-American would make such assumptions and comparisons.

dance ruskie dick sucker dance.

BaldBastard · 05-24-2018, 08:14 AM

Like I said discussion is not about who did it.. that's been decided.

All that's really left to fight out is what the repercussions will be.

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pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

only an uneducated anti-American would make such assumptions and comparisons.

dance ruskie dick sucker dance.

you are the one doing the dancing

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 08:22 AM

At least I'm not dancing about sucking ruskie dicks that shot down a civilian airliner.

I'm dancing because that's you and you look like an uneducated anti-American clown sucking ruskie dick that shot down a civilian airliner.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

At least I'm not dancing about sucking ruskie dicks that shot down a civilian airliner.

I'm dancing because that's you and you look like an uneducated anti-American clown sucking ruskie dick that shot down a civilian airliner.

I mean its not like the USA has a loooooong history of false flags and invasions and terrorism

nope...not at all

dropper, you are a funny guy

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 08:33 AM

dancing and ruskie dick sucking at same time, you work hard for putin.

crockett · 05-24-2018, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

the more I think about your theory the less sense it makes...you claim the russians inside ukranie did not have contact with russia because this would prove that russia is involved, yet they had an anti aircraft system like the BUK that are easily spotted...

"oh look the rebels made a BUK"

also you dance around the fact that they clearly had mobile/sattelite phones with encryption available and that they fired a very expensive missile at an unknown target without consulting with higher up authorities?

sounds like reaching to me...

on the other hand, a false flag operation by the ukranians and the west fits the glove perfectly

Don't be a fool.. Russian forces had already shot down several Ukrainian aircraft in that area. The BUK system involved was photographed the day before the shootdown. After the shootdown that buk system was moved to Russia.

Not to mention there are radio communications from the head Russian guy claiming they shot down a military transport..

Don't continue to be a fool..

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Don't be a fool.. Russian forces had already shot down several Ukrainian aircraft in that area. The BUK system involved was photographed the day before the shootdown. After the shootdown that buk system was moved to Russia.

Not to mention there are radio communications from the head Russ oou an guy claiming they shot down a military transpirt..

Don't continue to be a fool..

you have to decide...there either were communications or there were not...you can not have it both ways...you said that there was no communication with russia because this would prove russia is invading, so they did not know it was a civilian aircraft...now you claim they did communicate and you have transcripts...

well it cant be both...you have to decide

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 08:47 AM

more evidence is forthcoming ruskie dick sucker.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

more evidence is forthcoming ruskie dick sucker.

hello dropper...hows droppin'?

crockett · 05-24-2018, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

you have to decide...there either were communications or there were not...you can not have it both ways...you said that there was no communication with russia because this would prove russia is invading, so they did not know it was a civilian aircraft...now you claim they did communicate and you have transcripts...

well it cant be both...you have to decide

Dude STFU.. it was radio coms or a cell phone I dunno which it was well known and all over the news. You dumb Russians are brainwashed more than North Koreans..

Rochard · 05-24-2018, 09:10 AM

Russia needs to accept responsibility for this and move it. It's not the first time a passenger plane was shot down by accident.

dyna mo · 05-24-2018, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

hello dropper...hows droppin'?

you phony, pm me who you really are, I won't tell.

pimpmaster9000 · 05-24-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Dude STFU.. it was radio coms or a cell phone I dunno which it was well known and all over the news. You dumb Russians are brainwashed more than North Koreans..

ok so there WAS communication....if so, then how do you account for the fact that russians follow all aircraft with radars and know exactly which plane is civilian?

you said:

These soldiers didn't have access to Russian tracking info because communications would prove Russian was funding the invasion.

but then you quote russian communications after all...

crockett · 05-24-2018, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio

ok so there WAS communication....if so, then how do you account for the fact that russians follow all aircraft with radars and know exactly which plane is civilian?

you said:

These soldiers didn't have access to Russian tracking info because communications would prove Russian was funding the invasion.

but then you quote russian communications after all...

It's not for me to explain why the Russian military fucked up.. It's for Russia to explain. Perhaps you should ask Putin why he lies

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Some Dutch "investigator" can say anything because he is just a... Dutch investigator who knows nothing. The Russian military are tracking all the civilian airlines, so they could not confuse anything civilian with a military plane. So it was done by the Ukrainian rebels or by the regular Ukrainian army (both sides use BUKs). This is a sequences of the official Ukrainian aviation strike against... the Ukrainian civilians (WARNING: it's a graphic video, so don't watch it if you have a weak heart): So I have a zero trust to the Dutch "investigator" after that... __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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BaldBastard Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Sydney Posts: 15,880	Ruskies, even though I'd believe 100%.. Russia's at fault Now's not the time to be defending.. the decision has been made.. Russia did it. All that's needed now is for Mueller to finish his investigation in to the American 2016 elections. Forgetting if Trump was colluding or not, the question of if Russia was trying to influence those elections or not is pretty much concluded as yes. Mueller's just going to report on how deep the rabbit hole went, and where it stopped. Also better hope they don't find to many manuals printed in Russian around North Koreas arsenals. What ever hardships the west has place on your country in the past.. pale to what is coming.

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