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Grisey · 08-28-2018, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

yeah, no. I've been in business for 40 years and some customers still cause me to take a moment and think about how to handle the sitch they've created.

using your thinking, you've been in business for a while yet did not specify the deal needing yoast verification.

I happen to think neither of you operated shadily. poor communication, yup, but that happens all the time in business. I hope you realize the op came here looking to do the right thing with the issue and has not disparaged you in any way.

I outline softly in my original post and the examples shown to me where what I wanted so I didn’t think I had to go deep into things

What I got was different to the examples and shitter scores by far.

But you correct man, I don’t do reviews that often and my previous writers just rocked it from the begin didn’t need me to hold there hand.

So I didn’t expect to have to hold his, just give me what he had previously done and shown me, what I got was worse.

But I’ve now written out a brief

But I put his other reviews into yoast and they didn’t come out that bad, but while we’re fucking shit hands down.

I would expect the level I was shown, not a lesser level of work.

It’s all good tho

Klen · 08-28-2018, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen

“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way—in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.” —A Tale of Two Cities, by Charles Dickens

Sorry Charles, Your sentence is too long and this will hurt seo... rewrite it with more exclamation points and emojis or we wont pay you...

We live in era where google dictate how we write

kane · 08-28-2018, 02:07 PM

Since I wasn't involved I won't comment on what should or should not have been in the actual reviews. I just wanted to say, if someone says to me they will have something to me by Friday, I have always assumed that mean up to and including Friday.

Just my 2 cents.

Grisey · 08-28-2018, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

Since I wasn't involved I won't comment on what should or should not have been in the actual reviews. I just wanted to say, if someone says to me they will have something to me by Friday, I have always assumed that mean up to and including Friday.

Just my 2 cents.

In mainstream they use the term “by the end” of said date/day

Meaning by 5pm of the working day.

But when you deal with international clients you also have to take time zones into account.

The date is gonna reach me fast then it is them.

SBJ · 08-28-2018, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kane

Since I wasn't involved I won't comment on what should or should not have been in the actual reviews. I just wanted to say, if someone says to me they will have something to me by Friday, I have always assumed that mean up to and including Friday.

Just my 2 cents.

yup by Friday does include Friday. A lot of people say "I'll have your car done by Friday the close of the biz day."

HAHA, I knew the other person would come along but didn't know I would know the person. I agree with Grisey on everything besides the "by Friday". It's not about it being not Yoast compliant. It's about the SEO sucks. If the guy wrote good text it would've past Yoast. A writer that also claims to do SEO should know the basic rules of SEO writing and follow them not just write 30-word sentences cause he thinks his sentences still flow.

King Mark · 08-28-2018, 10:00 PM

I once did a 3 sentence essay on capital punishment for college (3 paragraphs). Best in class. True story.

I'm probably in the wrong business...

femdomdestiny · 08-29-2018, 02:50 AM

OK...I wasn't reading all answers because lack of time and I've also promised that I won't post on GFY without good reason because of average IQ of people here ( i am starting to believe that stupidity is contagious), but this thread is actually useful.

To help people calm down, next is my opinion:

None of the tools we are using is 100% precise, not even close. Yoast is good but it is not a serious onsite SEO tool. It helps, a lot....at least until there is a good competition for a specific term. Readability feature can make panic but Yoast is missing some of the most crucial things for a proper analysis because there is simply no good engine behind it that will take onsite parameters into consideration. It is more like a grammar tool (readability section we are talking about here). Otherwise, everyone using Yoast and making it all green would be at the top of SERPS.

Maybe, at some point, grammar will be considered an extremely important thing like it recently happened with mobile site speed requirement but I personally don't believe because it would be too hard to achieve and there are hundreds of different languages in the world. Keep in mind that Yoast has to give some improvements to motivate people to buy their products.

The first thing I 've noticed at the beginning of the thread, while I was superficially reading what is going on, is that review requirement was 500 words. Even without doing a check I can tell that this is simply not enough for a good ranking considering the targeted subject (most important porn sites and their reviews).

But what I wanted to tell is next: Below are print screens of two of my pages ranking #1 for some of my targeted keywords. These are serious articles, which means not a luck or something like that but the result of planning and analysis that resulted in good positions and sales.

#1 - ranked #1 in google.com and google mobile with a length of 2294 words

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#1 - ranked #1 in google.com and google mobile with a length of 1847 words

Additional info:
- both sample keywords are ranking top in Yahoo and Bing
- Yoast is giving info that it is not necessarily good, or at least, not useful. Take a look at their advice saying that the recommended minimum is 900 words (for a cornerstone article). There is no such thing. Every keyword requires analysis where you will sort top rated pages for some keyword and then count their length. This will give you info what is enough (at this moment) from Google's perspective to be ranked well. Sometimes you will see sites with only a few sentences and that (usually) means that competition is weak. But that's another story. Similar is with other things Yoast is often suggesting.
- you can have millions of words article but it will be useless without a proper domain authority (link profile) and without quality article really talking something useful about the subject (giving answers to questions, pointing to other resources, explaining things, etc).
- I am not selling you anything. Don't bother to order SEO services, I am buried in work. Need to say this because there are tons of retards lurking and stalking around GFY that will use every possible chance to say something malicious if they notice a useful post.

Hope I've helped to ease the tensions with precise samples above, there are other things to care about SEO, Yoast is at the bottom of the list.

Grisey · 08-29-2018, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SBJ

yup by Friday does include Friday. A lot of people say "I'll have your car done by Friday the close of the biz day."

HAHA, I knew the other person would come along but didn't know I would know the person. I agree with Grisey on everything besides the "by Friday". It's not about it being not Yoast compliant. It's about the SEO sucks. If the guy wrote good text it would've past Yoast. A writer that also claims to do SEO should know the basic rules of SEO writing and follow them not just write 30-word sentences cause he thinks his sentences still flow.

If you don’t add the extra bit into it, then it’s before Friday, the close of business means at 5pm, but who’s 5pm ? Mine or his ?

I was gonna message you on nnm but spunky hasn’t fixed the error.

SBJ · 08-29-2018, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Grisey

If you don’t add the extra bit into it, then it’s before Friday, the close of business means at 5pm, but who’s 5pm ? Mine or his ?

I was gonna message you on nnm but spunky hasn’t fixed the error.

it's fixed now cause I was finally able to post

Grisey · 08-29-2018, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny

OK...I wasn't reading all answers because lack of time and I've also promised that I won't post on GFY without good reason because of average IQ of people here ( i am starting to believe that stupidity is contagious), but this thread is actually useful.

To help people calm down, next is my opinion:

None of the tools we are using is 100% precise, not even close. Yoast is good but it is not a serious onsite SEO tool. It helps, a lot....at least until there is a good competition for a specific term. Readability feature can make panic but Yoast is missing some of the most crucial things for a proper analysis because there is simply no good engine behind it that will take onsite parameters into consideration. It is more like a grammar tool (readability section we are talking about here). Otherwise, everyone using Yoast and making it all green would be at the top of SERPS.

Maybe, at some point, grammar will be considered an extremely important thing like it recently happened with mobile site speed requirement but I personally don't believe because it would be too hard to achieve and there are hundreds of different languages in the world. Keep in mind that Yoast has to give some improvements to motivate people to buy their products.

The first thing I 've noticed at the beginning of the thread, while I was superficially reading what is going on, is that review requirement was 500 words. Even without doing a check I can tell that this is simply not enough for a good ranking considering the targeted subject (most important porn sites and their reviews).

But what I wanted to tell is next: Below are print screens of two of my pages ranking #1 for some of my targeted keywords. These are serious articles, which means not a luck or something like that but the result of planning and analysis that resulted in good positions and sales.

#1 - ranked #1 in google.com and google mobile with a length of 2294 words

----------------------------------------------------------

#1 - ranked #1 in google.com and google mobile with a length of 1847 words

Additional info:
- both sample keywords are ranking top in Yahoo and Bing
- Yoast is giving info that it is not necessarily good, or at least, not useful. Take a look at their advice saying that the recommended minimum is 900 words (for a cornerstone article). There is no such thing. Every keyword requires analysis where you will sort top rated pages for some keyword and then count their length. This will give you info what is enough (at this moment) from Google's perspective to be ranked well. Sometimes you will see sites with only a few sentences and that (usually) means that competition is weak. But that's another story. Similar is with other things Yoast is often suggesting.
- you can have millions of words article but it will be useless without a proper domain authority (link profile) and without quality article really talking something useful about the subject (giving answers to questions, pointing to other resources, explaining things, etc).
- I am not selling you anything. Don't bother to order SEO services, I am buried in work. Need to say this because there are tons of retards lurking and stalking around GFY that will use every possible chance to say something malicious if they notice a useful post.

Hope I've helped to ease the tensions with precise samples above, there are other things to care about SEO, Yoast is at the bottom of the list.

You know I rate your knowledge and work ethnic man, but to write a 2,500 word review about a members area would hard without constantly repeating yourself and it making sense.

I’ll send you a link at the other place with regards to my #2 google listing and you can see for yourself.

femdomdestiny · 08-29-2018, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Grisey

You know I rate your knowledge and work ethnic man, but to write a 2,500 word review about a members area would hard without constantly repeating yourself and it making sense.

I’ll send you a link at the other place with regards to my #2 google listing and you can see for yourself.

I am solving that by describing one or few scenes in a review. A simple thing, something like:

" to understand the better quality of this site, just check out some of the scenes. It was hard to pick the best ones so we pulled out few....blah,blah"

RazorSharpe · 08-29-2018, 04:09 AM

On what fucking planet does "by Friday" mean "on Thursday"? If it was on thursday surely you would have expected him to say ON Thursday.

You don't have to append or prepend "by Friday" with anything for it to mean, you'll get it by Friday.

TFCash · 08-29-2018, 05:26 AM

If you wouldn't mind, please post one of the 500 word articles that he wrote for you, since your not going to use it anyway. I'd like to see if it was a good piece or not, I don't really take a lot of stock in what a software package tells me. If yoast really worked so well, then everyone and his dog would be using it to get top listings, which doesn't happen so can't put too much stock in them

And the by friday, on friday thing, seems your being a little bit of a douche. If he was a couple of days late and didn't come thru, then I could see you getting bent out of shape. But the way I read it, he had them to you on friday.

I count myself lucky whenever I use someone for the first time, and even get some of the work out of them, it's hard to find good people, especially lately here on gfy

Grisey · 08-29-2018, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TFCash

If you wouldn't mind, please post one of the 500 word articles that he wrote for you, since your not going to use it anyway. I'd like to see if it was a good piece or not, I don't really take a lot of stock in what a software package tells me. If yoast really worked so well, then everyone and his dog would be using it to get top listings, which doesn't happen so can't put too much stock in them

i'll send it in PM, i will used the review as a core and we write certion sections etc

^^^^ All 8 reviews

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFCash

And the by friday, on friday thing, seems your being a little bit of a douche. If he was a couple of days late and didn't come thru, then I could see you getting bent out of shape. But the way I read it, he had them to you on friday.

That shit is here or there and i couldn't give a fuck about in the wider picture of things

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFCash

I count myself lucky whenever I use someone for the first time, and even get some of the work out of them, it's hard to find good people, especially lately here on gfy

I had over 20 email to this thread

https://gfy.com/now-hiring-/1302555-...r-manager.html

And i think i've found the right person but i won't know they start to do the work, they run there own stores so really they should hit the ground running with a shit load of content that i have.

There is some great people on GFY don't get me wrong that offer fantastic services, i just feel in this case i got crap in return.

TFCash · 08-29-2018, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Grisey

I had over 20 email to this thread

And i think i've found the right person but i won't know they start to do the work, they run there own stores so really they should hit the ground running with a shit load of content that i have.

There is some great people on GFY don't get me wrong that offer fantastic services, i just feel in this case i got crap in return.

The key I've found to finding good partners is a good outline of what I'm looking for. Seems like the two of you may have not defined what each were looking for, live and learn from your mistakes

After you have defined what you want, it's best to break it down into a small test to make sure that you will be able to work together well.

If I was trying someone out for the very first time, I'd only do 1 review, to make sure we are on the same page. I realize this can be a pain in the ass, but it increases your odd's of success

I read the review that you sent over, and yes I would describe it as a bit wordy, and could be fine tuned to make it better, but that is where the need for a small back and forth between buyer and seller, to get them on the same page. I've never used Arnox for a writing service, but from what I have seen on the board, he seems to be an honest broker. Had the two of you done the first review, from there worked out the kinks, I think that he would have provided you with what you were looking for.

As for you being a douche about "by friday - on friday" , aren't we all

I know what it takes to make $100 in this business, and no one wants to waste his/her dollars on something that isn't going to make us some more money. And we by no means what to have to wait for it. Maybe should also clarify when a project it due, i.e. Aug 31st @ 2pm CST that way everyone is again on the same page.

Please, in the future, both of you - make sure and be very clear about what your looking for. Do it in small steps, and build good relations that can be called upon in the future to make many more $$$'s for both of you

Good luck

marlboroack · 08-29-2018, 07:51 PM

All sales final

SBJ · 08-29-2018, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marlboroack

All sales final

says the guy that has been called out selling other peoples content..

davidCRM · 08-30-2018, 12:03 AM

OP: do not refund. you did a good job. Yoast is an unreliable 3rd party tool in our case. It's a bit like ordering a burger then after eating it, demanding a refund because my italian friend said it didn't have enough parmesan.

j3rkules · 08-30-2018, 01:02 AM

That is why I always do a one short test review before working with any writer.

lock · 08-30-2018, 01:23 AM

You can do it all again fro free or give him 2 x the work asked but they will still get it for free like everything they do. For the little money you charge it isn't worth the complaint.
There are people leaving sites like fiverr in droves because The seller is blackmailed into doing extra work for the feedback of original order. This is a ploy there are companies getting work done for free just by complaining. Contract work out and you start to see this as a daily occurance be aware this is a common tact to get more for money.

Grisey · 08-30-2018, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by davidCRM

OP: do not refund. you did a good job. Yoast is an unreliable 3rd party tool in our case. It's a bit like ordering a burger then after eating it, demanding a refund because my italian friend said it didn't have enough parmesan.

You're case, My case is that it rocks and its a great starting point, so many more factors come into it, but still a great point to start... going in bilnd will always end if crap.

I love it when people through a mainstream scene into something totally different.

here is the scene from a resturant

Orders a burger, pays for it then it arrives once taste and its like is shit and requesting a refund or more cheese, any resturant will say of course sir i'll get more chese for you.

Because they want to keep a customer happy.

All he had to say was, fuck man let me re fine these for you now.

I will re write these.

But to be the dedate to fucking bed, i'm gonna buy another domain and put these reviews on and lets see which review ranks higher his first attempt or my re wrote second attempt.

I 100% know it won't be his shit, i'll book mark this thread and keep everyone updated.

Grisey · 08-30-2018, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lock

You can do it all again fro free or give him 2 x the work asked but they will still get it for free like everything they do. For the little money you charge it isn't worth the complaint.

How is it 2 times the work ?

All he had to do was cut sentence's down and we jig it, the work in thoery was 85% done

So fucker is doing the full amount of work twice, don't talk rubbish

Quote:

Originally Posted by lock

There are people leaving sites like fiverr in droves because The seller is blackmailed into doing extra work for the feedback of original order. This is a ploy there are companies getting work done for free just by complaining. Contract work out and you start to see this as a daily occurance be aware this is a common tact to get more for money.

Fiverr has turned into a joke, i didn't want work for free, i just wanted the review re written and pretty sure he wouldn't of been out of pocket as someone else would want reviews of the biggest sites in porn at some point .

So if anything he saves himself time later down the line. No time wasted at all.

Grisey · 08-30-2018, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFCash

The key I've found to finding good partners is a good outline of what I'm looking for. Seems like the two of you may have not defined what each were looking for, live and learn from your mistakes

After you have defined what you want, it's best to break it down into a small test to make sure that you will be able to work together well.

If I was trying someone out for the very first time, I'd only do 1 review, to make sure we are on the same page. I realize this can be a pain in the ass, but it increases your odd's of success

I read the review that you sent over, and yes I would describe it as a bit wordy, and could be fine tuned to make it better, but that is where the need for a small back and forth between buyer and seller, to get them on the same page. I've never used Arnox for a writing service, but from what I have seen on the board, he seems to be an honest broker. Had the two of you done the first review, from there worked out the kinks, I think that he would have provided you with what you were looking for.

As for you being a douche about "by friday - on friday" , aren't we all

I know what it takes to make $100 in this business, and no one wants to waste his/her dollars on something that isn't going to make us some more money. And we by no means what to have to wait for it. Maybe should also clarify when a project it due, i.e. Aug 31st @ 2pm CST that way everyone is again on the same page.

Please, in the future, both of you - make sure and be very clear about what your looking for. Do it in small steps, and build good relations that can be called upon in the future to make many more $$$'s for both of you

Good luck

Its even more so for you man as i assume you hire people to shoot content etc, then your tatste about requirement and what you expect are higher because you have a level to keep for the members area.

I remeber years ago abby winters had a massive pack that you had to go through and question sheets and picture proof etc you know how to shoot the content they wanted.

dyna mo · 10-05-2018, 08:51 AM

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08-29-2018, 02:50 AM	#57
femdomdestiny Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,169	OK...I wasn't reading all answers because lack of time and I've also promised that I won't post on GFY without good reason because of average IQ of people here ( i am starting to believe that stupidity is contagious), but this thread is actually useful. To help people calm down, next is my opinion: None of the tools we are using is 100% precise, not even close. Yoast is good but it is not a serious onsite SEO tool. It helps, a lot....at least until there is a good competition for a specific term. Readability feature can make panic but Yoast is missing some of the most crucial things for a proper analysis because there is simply no good engine behind it that will take onsite parameters into consideration. It is more like a grammar tool (readability section we are talking about here). Otherwise, everyone using Yoast and making it all green would be at the top of SERPS. Maybe, at some point, grammar will be considered an extremely important thing like it recently happened with mobile site speed requirement but I personally don't believe because it would be too hard to achieve and there are hundreds of different languages in the world. Keep in mind that Yoast has to give some improvements to motivate people to buy their products. The first thing I 've noticed at the beginning of the thread, while I was superficially reading what is going on, is that review requirement was 500 words. Even without doing a check I can tell that this is simply not enough for a good ranking considering the targeted subject (most important porn sites and their reviews). But what I wanted to tell is next: Below are print screens of two of my pages ranking #1 for some of my targeted keywords. These are serious articles, which means not a luck or something like that but the result of planning and analysis that resulted in good positions and sales. #1 - ranked #1 in google.com and google mobile with a length of 2294 words ---------------------------------------------------------- #1 - ranked #1 in google.com and google mobile with a length of 1847 words Additional info: - both sample keywords are ranking top in Yahoo and Bing - Yoast is giving info that it is not necessarily good, or at least, not useful. Take a look at their advice saying that the recommended minimum is 900 words (for a cornerstone article). There is no such thing. Every keyword requires analysis where you will sort top rated pages for some keyword and then count their length. This will give you info what is enough (at this moment) from Google's perspective to be ranked well. Sometimes you will see sites with only a few sentences and that (usually) means that competition is weak. But that's another story. Similar is with other things Yoast is often suggesting. - you can have millions of words article but it will be useless without a proper domain authority (link profile) and without quality article really talking something useful about the subject (giving answers to questions, pointing to other resources, explaining things, etc). - I am not selling you anything. Don't bother to order SEO services, I am buried in work. Need to say this because there are tons of retards lurking and stalking around GFY that will use every possible chance to say something malicious if they notice a useful post. Hope I've helped to ease the tensions with precise samples above, there are other things to care about SEO, Yoast is at the bottom of the list. __________________ Femdom Destiny -------------------------------------------- ICQ: 463-630-426 email: webmaster(at)femdomdestiny.com

08-29-2018, 04:09 AM	#62
RazorSharpe Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Scotland Posts: 2,238	On what fucking planet does "by Friday" mean "on Thursday"? If it was on thursday surely you would have expected him to say ON Thursday. You don't have to append or prepend "by Friday" with anything for it to mean, you'll get it by Friday. __________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

08-29-2018, 05:26 AM	#63
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	If you wouldn't mind, please post one of the 500 word articles that he wrote for you, since your not going to use it anyway. I'd like to see if it was a good piece or not, I don't really take a lot of stock in what a software package tells me. If yoast really worked so well, then everyone and his dog would be using it to get top listings, which doesn't happen so can't put too much stock in them And the by friday, on friday thing, seems your being a little bit of a douche. If he was a couple of days late and didn't come thru, then I could see you getting bent out of shape. But the way I read it, he had them to you on friday. I count myself lucky whenever I use someone for the first time, and even get some of the work out of them, it's hard to find good people, especially lately here on gfy __________________ TeenFlood.com Online since 1998. TFCash KissMeGirl VirginRiches MondoBucks tim at tfcash.com or submit a ticket at our HelpDesk

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08-28-2018, 02:07 PM	#53
kane Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: portland, OR Posts: 20,684	Since I wasn't involved I won't comment on what should or should not have been in the actual reviews. I just wanted to say, if someone says to me they will have something to me by Friday, I have always assumed that mean up to and including Friday. Just my 2 cents.

08-28-2018, 10:00 PM	#56
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lock Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 5,065	You can do it all again fro free or give him 2 x the work asked but they will still get it for free like everything they do. For the little money you charge it isn't worth the complaint. There are people leaving sites like fiverr in droves because The seller is blackmailed into doing extra work for the feedback of original order. This is a ploy there are companies getting work done for free just by complaining. Contract work out and you start to see this as a daily occurance be aware this is a common tact to get more for money. __________________ Traffic.Tools - 40+ Free Tools Free.Marketing - 150+ Free Tools Submission.Tools - 20+ Free Tools

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