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Old 10-07-2018, 10:50 AM   #1
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:stop Tourist-spot crash kills 18 in limo, 2 bystanders

Local officials told the Times Union of Albany that a limo speeding down a hill hit bystanders Saturday afternoon at the Apple Barrel Country Store in Schoharie, about 170 miles (270 kilometers) north of New York City.

State police confirmed Sunday the death toll and said the crash involved two vehicles. The store is a popular stop for tourists on fall foliage trips. Customers in the parking lot were killed when they were hit by the limo coming down a hill on state Route 30 at "probably over 60 mph," the store manager, Jessica Kirby, told The New York Times .

In a Facebook post on Saturday, the store thanked emergency responders for their actions. The store posted Sunday that it was open "and could use your hugs." Witnesses described chaos, with a massive turnout of ambulances and other responders.

"I heard some screaming. It looked serious because people were running back and forth," Bridey Finegan of Schoharie told WNYT NewsChannel 13 . Authorities didn't release names of victims or other specifics, but state police set up a hotline for family members. The National Transportation Safety Board is investigating.

An afternoon news conference is planned.

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Thats crazy
some lady was shopping with her sisters. guess went to smoke in the car lol. heard the crash got out saw a dead body in the street and a bunch of broken tree branches.
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ya sad! The 18 in the limo were on their way to a wedding celebration. RIP
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ya sad! The 18 in the limo were on their way to a wedding celebration. RIP
in a hurry to die... the limo driver was probably drunk.
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They were in a long van limo kind of like this




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So a newlywed couple were two of the 18 killed in the limo on the way to a birthday party. They were married back in June. Damn



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They were in a long van limo kind of like this




actually, it was a 2001 Ford Excursion limousine



doesn't look big enough for 18 people and looks like it was b-day party, not a wedding.

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Can't believe all died in the vehicle. Must have been a violet collision.
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How fucking fast do you need to be going while driving a limo? Apparently fast enough to kill 18 people inside the vehicle. I'm trying to fathom the traffic wreckage level needed to kill 18 people in one vehicle -- and there's nothing I can think of outside of driving off a 500 ft cliff.

I'm interested to know the details of the crash. Did it plow into something head-on or just flip a bunch of times?
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How fucking fast do you need to be going while driving a limo? Apparently fast enough to kill 18 people inside the vehicle. I'm trying to fathom the traffic wreckage level needed to kill 18 people in one vehicle -- and there's nothing I can think of outside of driving off a 500 ft cliff.

I'm interested to know the details of the crash. Did it plow into something head-on or just flip a bunch of times?
Ya, I was thinking the same. To me short of a car fire trapping them inside someone should've lived cause it's not like it did barrel rolls. But then again 17 people not wearing seatbelts going most likely 60+ to a dead stop is enough. But still, they made it sound like all 20 died at the scene.

So sad any way you look at it though.
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Bleeding while drunk is a fast way to go. Limo driver was designated driver.
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Bleeding while drunk is a fast way to go. Limo driver was designated driver.
you know how that goes right?... just have a few drinks with us.
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you know how that goes right?... just have a few drinks with us.
I would put money on it that the driver will come back clean and sober. this was a 17 yr old limo hauling 18 people down a hill that has banned semis cause they have gone off the road a few too many times. I think we will find the breaks failed.
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I would put money on it that the driver will come back clean and sober. this was a 17 yr old limo hauling 18 people down a hill that has banned semis cause they have gone off the road a few too many times. I think we will find the breaks failed.
well you mean sober when he died... either way drivers should not be driving fast going down a fucking hill. they need to put a couple cops up there catch some of these idiots!
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well you mean sober when he died...
ya I don't care how much he drank after he died
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well you mean sober when he died... either way drivers should not be driving fast going down a fucking hill. they need to put a couple cops up there catch some of these idiots!
um, you do know that when breaks fail going down a hill they tend to speed up right? In the mountains, they have those truck runoffs all over for trucks that over heat their breaks. I don't think this driver was trying to go over 60 down a hill when the speed limit was 50MPH
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Limo involved in crash that killed 20 never should have been on the road, New York governor says

"The owner of the company had no business putting a failed vehicle on the road," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said on Monday about the car that had recently failed an inspection."

"Cuomo said the limousine was a "chopped vehicle," meaning it had been cut and elongated and needed federal certification that it had been extended in a way that is compliant with the law, which it did not have."

"Cuomo also said the driver of the vehicle, who has not been identified, did not have the specific license — a commercial driver's license with a passenger endorsement — required to drive the limousine."
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Limo involved in crash that killed 20 never should have been on the road, New York governor says

"The owner of the company had no business putting a failed vehicle on the road," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said on Monday about the car that had recently failed an inspection."

"Cuomo said the limousine was a "chopped vehicle," meaning it had been cut and elongated and needed federal certification that it had been extended in a way that is compliant with the law, which it did not have."

"Cuomo also said the driver of the vehicle, who has not been identified, did not have the specific license — a commercial driver's license with a passenger endorsement — required to drive the limousine."
you know those inspections are mostly bullshit right? you repair the vehicle and go back. i want to know how fast he was going b4 he made it to the hill. maybe the dept of transportation has a video.
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you know those inspections are mostly bullshit right? you repair the vehicle and go back. i want to know how fast he was going b4 he made it to the hill. maybe adot has a video.
Out of those 18 people in the car one of them had to have had their phone on recording

I'm more concerned about the driver not having the right license. If he's never driven a vehicle that big with that much weight behind him it could be the reason why he lost control of the vehicle.
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Limo involved in crash that killed 20 never should have been on the road, New York governor says

"The owner of the company had no business putting a failed vehicle on the road," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said on Monday about the car that had recently failed an inspection."

"Cuomo said the limousine was a "chopped vehicle," meaning it had been cut and elongated and needed federal certification that it had been extended in a way that is compliant with the law, which it did not have."

"Cuomo also said the driver of the vehicle, who has not been identified, did not have the specific license — a commercial driver's license with a passenger endorsement — required to drive the limousine."
damn the owner of the company will lose everything and most likely be going to jail for the murder of 20 people if he employed a driver that didn't have a cdl and a limo that was not fit to haul people.
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damn the owner of the company will lose everything and most likely be going to jail for the murder of 20 people if he employed a driver that didn't have a cdl and a limo that was not fit to haul people.
Victim texted limo was in 'terrible condition' minutes before crash killed 20 in New York

"Abeling told The Washington Post that Erin sent a text message complaining about the condition of the limo, a last-minute replacement after a bus hired to shuttle the group broke down."


"Four of those killed were sisters, three of whom died with their husbands. " Sad

Imagine a family losing 4 sisters at the same time, and their husbands. Damn
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looks like this is the limo in question from their website and it holds up to 26


Limousine Fleet - Rochester NY

From the wreck picture, it looks so much shorter so the rest must've been down in the ditch
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EXCLUSIVE - Owner of limousine company involved in horror crash is a former FBI informant who was paid $96,000 to go undercover to expose terror plots after fleeing to the US from Pakistan where he'd been accused of murder

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looks like this is the limo in question from their website and it holds up to 26


Limousine Fleet - Rochester NY

From the wreck picture, it looks so much shorter so the rest must've been down in the ditch
i would not want to drive that!!!
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^^ And of course the deranged & disgusting leftists wish it was full of Republicans.
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^^ And of course the deranged & disgusting leftists wish it was full of Republicans.
Turns out it was Crazy cunt lady Ford's best friend's asset who owned the limo co... Coincidence? There are none..

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that is the whitest thing I have ever seen outside of bed, bath and beyond.

in all seriousness though, my empathy goes out to the loved ones of those killed
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looks like this is the limo in question from their website and it holds up to 26


Limousine Fleet - Rochester NY

From the wreck picture, it looks so much shorter so the rest must've been down in the ditch
Wrong Prestige Limo company
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Speculation is that it was the exhaust that killed them
I found it weird everyone died..
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ya, I figured that out last night a few hours after I posted that. I thought their fleet looked too nice. Odd that there are two companies with the same name in NY.
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I've read they had three vehicles and two drivers or two vehicles and three drivers. Vehicles failed inspection yet they're still on the road. Why they failed I don't know yet . I haven't read stories tonight but am about to hit news sites.

One family wants to file lawsuits but claims the company is nearly broke because all income is funneled to Pakistan. They own vehicles that were chopped and spliced and welded. Yet in previous version they passed inspection.

I had no emergency brake in my first car but knew a guy .... Got my sticker easily. Whomever passed this glued vehicle better hide fast if he passed it in previous years.

In Massachusetts they used to do it manually. Now it's mostly computerized by hooking up to your tailpipes and analyzing exhaust. It was $2 every two years. Now it's $49 I believe every year. When it jumped to $4 everyone bitched.

When I lived in New Hampshire it wasn't mandatory. I had it done and I'll never forget it. The guy lifted the front of the car to check shocks and springs. Lifted by hand! Only a few inches and only a Toyota Corolla, but my guy friend stood in shock. I asked the guy questions and he said after 1961 cars are easy but older have real metal, not cheap light stuff.

All I know is the insurance company must be crapping their pants. IF they had insurance but if not, who do you sue? Money won't make up for the loss of life and what lessons will you teach the guys who flee to Pakistan? Even if caught, death penalty aside, there's no satisfaction here. If they get $100 million in cash, will it make up for the loss?
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The son of the owner has been arrested for manslaughter.

Also, the driver of the limo that crashed was given a ticket weeks ago driving the same limo by a cop the ticketed him for not having the correct license to drive that vehicle and a notice of non operation was posted to the son of the owner of the company for the limo.

Son of owner in limo crash arrested on homicide charges

"The driver, Scott T. Lisinicchia, received a notice of violation for driving without a proper license to operate the same limo just weeks before the crash. The notice was issued by a state trooper who pulled him over in Saratoga Springs after he had dropped off 11 passengers. The trooper's notice directed that the 2001 Ford Excursion be taken out of service immediately, and it was served on Nauman Hussain as the operator of the company.

At that time, according to the notice, Hussain would have been made aware that Lisinicchia lacked the credentials needed to operate the large limousine."

" A son of the owner of the limousine that crashed in Schoharie, killing 20 people on Saturday, was arrested on homicide charges Wednesday.

Each count carries a maximum sentence of 1 1/3 to four years in state prison. A judge could impose consecutive sentence on each charge."
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