Brexit / EU: Can't argue with this.

[nico-t]

All simple logic. Brexit haters and EU lovers are de facto against democracy.

[pimpmaster9000]

a brit calls somebody an invader...how precious...the 22 countries in the world the UK did not invade and impoverish may agree...how rude of the other 180 countries to even think of coming to the UK

[DraX]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

a brit calls somebody an invader...how precious...the 22 countries in the world the UK did not invade and impoverish may agree...how rude of the other 180 countries to even think of coming to the UK

To be fair the establishment decided to invade a country and because of that every British citizen should according to you lose all self preservation available.

Should a German born today feel ashamed of what Germany did during the WW2 ?

Some say YES and that in itself calls for a one way ticket to the nuthouse.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by DraX

To be fair the establishment decided to invade a country and because of that every British citizen should according to you lose all self preservation available.

Should a German born today feel ashamed of what Germany did during the WW2 ?

Some say YES and that in itself calls for a one way ticket to the nuthouse.

the white man likes to pretend that he never dindu nuffin and that centuries of robbing the poor blind did not have a huge positive effect on the standard in his own country and a huge negative effect on the robbed countries...

brits live a nice comfortable life because of robbery by their ancestors, it is true that todays brits are only guilty of eating US foreign policy ass, that in itself impoverishes entire regions, but it is highly amusing when a british person calls somebody an invader...can you not see the humor?

if you do not want to have refugees and economic migrants, learn from history and do not support the destruction of other peoples countries in the present...stop eating US military industrial asshole...

nobody really wants to move to your countries anyway...they would rather stay at home but you simply will not let them...you leave rubble and an economic vacuum and then, with US shit fresh on your mouth, you cry "invaders!"

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by DraX

To be fair the establishment decided to invade a country and because of that every British citizen should according to you lose all self preservation available.

Should a German born today feel ashamed of what Germany did during the WW2 ?

Some say YES and that in itself calls for a one way ticket to the nuthouse.

I'm canadian and I'm ashamed of some of my countries past actions and even some current actions against native canadians. Does that mean i have a 'one way ticket to the nuthouse' as you put it?

You can be ashamed of your countries specific history and still be what you would call a patriot at the same time. Personally i think pride is a weakness so I don't enjoy the term as much as most but i'm sure you get what i mean.

[SecondFloor]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

You can be ashamed of your countries specific history and still be what you would call a patriot at the same time. Personally i think pride is a weakness so I don't enjoy the term as much as most but i'm sure you get what i mean.

Totally agree as an American. One of the most patriotic things a citizen can do is acknowledge what's wrong in their country and work to change it. Learning from past mistakes is a strength, not a weakness.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

I'm canadian and I'm ashamed of some of my countries past actions and even some current actions against native canadians. Does that mean i have a 'one way ticket to the nuthouse' as you put it?

You can be ashamed of your countries specific history and still be what you would call a patriot at the same time. Personally i think pride is a weakness so I don't enjoy the term as much as most but i'm sure you get what i mean.

How the hell can you, personally, be ashamed of what governments or people from your country did when you weren't even born yet or don't have anything to do with? It doesn't make any sense at all. And how long do we have to put the dial back for shame? Is it 100 years? 500 years? 1000 years? When can you stop being ashamed for something you have zero to do with?

It's impossible. You're not ashamed. It just sounds good and empathetic, like actors do in movies or public figures in the media.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

a brit calls somebody an invader...how precious...the 22 countries in the world the UK did not invade and impoverish may agree...how rude of the other 180 countries to even think of coming to the UK

btw that was not the point of this video. The core message is about the present state of the total lack of democracy in the EU. Yet you seem to pick out only your obsession of the poor muslim immigrants, which is about 10 seconds out of 7 minutes, and ignore the main subject, the elephant in the room: True democracy.

[SIK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the white man likes to pretend that he never dindu nuffin and that centuries of robbing the poor blind did not have a huge positive effect on the standard in his own country and a huge negative effect on the robbed countries...

out of curiosity, when do sins of forefathers get erased from the equation?

should I be blamed for slavery / crusades / ww & ww2 etc?

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by nico-t

How the hell can you, personally, be ashamed of what governments or people from your country did when you weren't even born yet or don't have anything to do with? It doesn't make any sense at all. And how long do we have to put the dial back for shame? Is it 100 years? 500 years? 1000 years? When can you stop being ashamed for something you have zero to do with?

It's impossible. You're not ashamed. It just sounds good and empathetic, like actors do in movies or public figures in the media.

As a Polish immigrant to Holland you should be ashamed, and also ashamed for what you're doing now, present day, betraying your allies in Europe & America and constantly pushing Russian propaganda you should be ashamed of yourself traitor! You have no gratitude or self respect.

Move to Russia it's the ONLY country you say ANYTHING good about. So much hate in you you'll fit in well in Russia.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by SIK

out of curiosity, when do sins of forefathers get erased from the equation?

should I be blamed for slavery / crusades / ww & ww2 etc?

no you keep oppressing them this is the whole point...you set them back for centuries and now when the USA destabilizes their region, EU tongue is deep deep up US asshole and you are calling them invaders...

you OWE them a stand up against the USA when the USA destabilizes their region...you OWE them a chance to let them live their own lives in their own countries and your war buddies to fuck the fuck off home...

yes you personally, even though you did not do anything, you are living a better life because your forefathers exploited the living shit out of them, you owe them a chance to let them live their lives in their own countries...

until that moment, it is hilarious that anybody in the EU points fingers at them...invader shit is on your tongue

Originally Posted by bladewire

etraying your allies in Europe & America

the USA is no ally to europe at all...you shit on our region 24/7 and nobody in the USA gives 2 fucks about europe...you create a problem and then sell the solution = protection...fuck that...

[SIK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

you OWE them a stand up against the USA when the USA destabilizes their region...you OWE them a chance to let them live their own lives in their own countries and your war buddies to fuck the fuck off home...

yes you personally, even though you did not do anything, you are living a better life because your forefathers exploited the living shit out of them, you owe them a chance to let them live their lives in their own countries...

hmm, by that logic, can you please send me a check for 100 000 EUR ?
that is a LOW rough estimate of my grandfather's destroyed house in Dalmatia, Croatia.

"yes, you personally, even though you did not do anything"

Seeing how fair and wise you are, I presume you want to make amends for what Serbian grenades did to my family property?

Lead by example please, fix it.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

the USA is no ally to europe at all...you shit on our region 24/7 and nobody in the USA gives 2 fucks about europe...you create a problem and then sell the solution = protection...fuck that...

That's the deal! You don't like it change it. Europe makes USA world police and we constantly do their bidding. You don't like it, change Europe. You like Putin though so you'll be for EU & UN being dispanded so Russia is the strongest and can keep invading it's neighbors to the west.

[P_RABID]

Originally Posted by nico-t

All simple logic. Brexit haters and EU lovers are de facto against democracy.

There wont be a Brexit, remember what happened to the "GREXIT".

Germany won't let Britain leave. They will most likely at the last second NOT pull out of the EU, and this will crush the peoples spirits to the point they will conform.

The Nazis are doing what they couldn't in the 40's but now only much smarter.

[BaldBastard]

Europe is importing Jew hatred, and YouTube doesn't want anyone to know. This video was censored a few minutes after upload, because it might be offensive to Jew haters


So I take it your a jew lover now? Or this guys just another right wing nutter that used to stand on milk crates on street corners giving "talks"

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by SIK

hmm, by that logic, can you please send me a check for 100 000 EUR ?
that is a LOW rough estimate of my grandfather's destroyed house in Dalmatia, Croatia.

"yes, you personally, even though you did not do anything"

Seeing how fair and wise you are, I presume you want to make amends for what Serbian grenades did to my family property?

Lead by example please, fix it.

I fled from croatia...croats can not write me a check for what I lost...my only crime was that I was not "pure"...so go tell your sad story to somebody who does not know you

all of you US ass kissers have no right to complain about refugees...you clean that US ass and then when you smell the shit you blame others...maybe if you let people live in their homes they would not run?

Originally Posted by Bladewire

That's the deal! You don't like it change it. Europe makes USA world police and we constantly do their bidding. You don't like it, change Europe. You like Putin though so you'll be for EU & UN being dispanded so Russia is the strongest and can keep invading it's neighbors to the west.

what a load of bullshit...nobody makes the USA do shit...we are not at war or being threatened by anybody...nobody is threatening europe or the USA in any way...fuck off with the "russia will invade" crap, only americans believe this...

[P_RABID]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I fled from croatia...croats can not write me a check for what I lost...my only crime was that I was not "pure"...so go tell your sad story to somebody who does not know you

all of you US ass kissers have no right to complain about refugees...you clean that US ass and then when you smell the shit you blame others...maybe if you let people live in their homes they would not run?

What happened to Titto's dream of a United Yugoslavia

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

What happened to Titto's dream of a United Yugoslavia

US foreign policy happened...the interests of individuals who promised the sun would shine 2x harder under their rule...MAGA

croats earn like 10$/day more than serbs for example...but their living costs are higher so its more like 5$/day...MAYA!

[P_RABID]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

US foreign policy happened...the interests of individuals who promised the sun would shine 2x harder under their rule...MAGA

croats earn like 10$/day more than serbs for example...but their living costs are higher so its more like 5$/day...MAYA!

The US had to stop Russian Influence in the region and so Yugoslavia was destroyed. This is why countries like Macedonia was rushed to join EU and NATO recently. To deter Russian influence in the Balkans.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

The US had to stop Russian Influence in the region and so Yugoslavia was destroyed. This is why countries like Macedonia was rushed to join EU and NATO recently. To deter Russian influence in the Balkans.

yes this is why everybody needs to develop nukes and bacteria...so next time the US has a need, it can need it somewhere else...

[P_RABID]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

yes this is why everybody needs to develop nukes and bacteria...so next time the US has a need, it can need it somewhere else...

Thats a little extreme for my liking

[klinton]

Originally Posted by nico-t

How the hell can you, personally, be ashamed of what governments or people from your country did when you weren't even born yet or don't have anything to do with?

"governments" ?
Germany that time wasnt called "nazi germany" for no reason.
Hitler approval's rate in late 30s, even during ww2, was huge...if he wouldnt only make stupid mistakes in ww2 campaign, you would be speaking ONLY german now

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by klinton

"governments" ?
Germany that time wasnt called "nazi germany" for no reason.
Hitler approval's rate in late 30s, even during ww2, was huge...if he wouldnt only make stupid mistakes in ww2 campaign, you would be speaking ONLY german now

You're missing the point. Does that mean someone who happens to be born in Germany, who didn't even exist during that time, should be ashamed of what other people in that country used to do? Why? He or she doesn't have anything to do with it. Zero.

[Paul Markham]

The EU is on path to rule Europe by any means possible. Older people see the loss of democracy, every year a little of it has been taken away. If it's mainly the young who love the EU now in 20 years they will like me yearn for the return of power they enjoy now. What the enjoy now will be gone in exchange for what? High house prices and rent, lower wages, higher debt both personal and government and increasing rules,regulations and laws.

There's a good reason why bosses love the EU, think about it. They have got richer while the rest have got poorer.

But don't discuss the future and the real fear just go on discussing the the past which no one can change.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

As a Polish immigrant to Holland you should be ashamed, and also ashamed for what you're doing now, present day, betraying your allies in Europe & America and constantly pushing Russian propaganda you should be ashamed of yourself traitor! You have no gratitude or self respect.

Move to Russia it's the ONLY country you say ANYTHING good about. So much hate in you you'll fit in well in Russia.

On the contrary. I love my country and the continent of Europe very much, it's a beautiful place. THAT's why I am so against the EU.

[SIK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I fled from croatia...croats can not write me a check for what I lost...my only crime was that I was not "pure"...so go tell your sad story to somebody who does not know you

oh RLY
you are "not pure" so no one blames you for everything?
nope my darling, but since you're only 50%, I'll reduce my 100 000 request to 50 000 eur

and regarding "your check", you ain't getting that one ever, because your "shared guilt logic" is simply insane (but hey, if you want to prove you live by that logic - feel free to send me 50 k eur)

"herp derp, you're from eastern europe so I blame you for spanish conquistadors from 200 years ago, how dare you herp derp"

[directfiesta]

Originally Posted by nico-t

You're missing the point. Does that mean someone who happens to be born in Germany, who didn't even exist during that time, should be ashamed of what other people in that country used to do? Why? He or she doesn't have anything to do with it. Zero.

Sûre he should be ashamed, even though not responsable.
If your neighboor commits a hate crimes, would you not fell ashamed ? (you probable not, as a right wing nuit)

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

Thats a little extreme for my liking

then get invaded by the USA...I know stronger countries want to feel safe while eating US asshole but weaker countries give 2 shits about invaders feeling safe...it is only a matter of time before somebody makes it and starts selling...and it will only be americas fault and nobody elses...

Originally Posted by SIK

oh RLY
you are "not pure" so no one blames you for everything?
nope my darling, but since you're only 50%, I'll reduce my 100 000 request to 50 000 eur

and regarding "your check", you ain't getting that one ever, because your "shared guilt logic" is simply insane (but hey, if you want to prove you live by that logic - feel free to send me 50 k eur)

"herp derp, you're from eastern europe so I blame you for spanish conquistadors from 200 years ago, how dare you herp derp"
Today 11:59 AM

I never mentioned money but dont let that get in your way

I said you OWE them a chance for them to live in their own country after all white man did to them...next time you are eating US asshole and the US starts to destroy another country, you stop with the shit eating, and you rise against this...

again. because you have trouble reading, nobody mentioned money...YOU are living a better life because Europe exploited the shit out of them for centuries...europe built schools and roads and factories and they got the whip...so YOU OWE them a chance (not money) of the west leaving them the fuck alone...

the USA is no ally to europe...americans do not really give 2 shits about europe and our entire region is their shit house...if you do not like the way shit smells, stop letting the USA shit all over you...who created the refugees? well look no further than the tip of your tongue...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by nico-t

btw that was not the point of this video. The core message is about the present state of the total lack of democracy in the EU. Yet you seem to pick out only your obsession of the poor muslim immigrants, which is about 10 seconds out of 7 minutes, and ignore the main subject, the elephant in the room: True democracy.

before you start to think about the lack of democracy in the EU you should first think about what democracy actually is.
in a democratic community (and it doesn't matter if it is a family, a community, a city, a country or the EU) there is not the opinion of the individual but the opinion of the majority.

you sound as if you are confusing democracy with a kingdom in which a wise king rules and who simply does everything right for everyone.

every member of the EU has elected his own representatives. if these are the wrong ones then you shouldn't blame the donkey for eating the flowers in the garden but the one who put him in the garden.

i think it's very funny when people who don't even understand the basics of democracy and are actually supporters of dictatorship get upset about a lack of democracy.

there is no british, german, french or dutch democracy. there is only the majority decision. and even if it were wrong you would have to live with it as a follower of democracy. democracy is the opposite of you because it is the opposite of egoism.

[CurrentlySober]

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

yes yes islam is the problem and not 25.000 western bombs on their countries every year...saudi arabia = US product...if he wants to paint islam as saudi arabia then he should address their puppet masters as well that keep this regime in power and arm them so that they keep that oil flowing...funny how he never mentions any of this...but he is an "expert"...

he is a "paul markham" type charlatan "expert"...never been anywhere but knows everything...cant wait for him to post a new video "the best ways to operate on a brain" or "why vaccines are bad" narrated in his smug voice

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by thommy

before you start to think about the lack of democracy in the EU you should first think about what democracy actually is.
in a democratic community (and it doesn't matter if it is a family, a community, a city, a country or the EU) there is not the opinion of the individual but the opinion of the majority.

you sound as if you are confusing democracy with a kingdom in which a wise king rules and who simply does everything right for everyone.

every member of the EU has elected his own representatives. if these are the wrong ones then you shouldn't blame the donkey for eating the flowers in the garden but the one who put him in the garden.

i think it's very funny when people who don't even understand the basics of democracy and are actually supporters of dictatorship get upset about a lack of democracy.

there is no british, german, french or dutch democracy. there is only the majority decision. and even if it were wrong you would have to live with it as a follower of democracy. democracy is the opposite of you because it is the opposite of egoism.

You're exactly right about what democracy is and i have no clue why you think I'd think otherwise by this thread. Examples democracy is non-existent in the EU:

- Dutch government and the EU should have lived with the democratic Dutch 'NO' vote against the EU constitution. But they chose to ignore democracy and push it through anyway.
- French government and the EU should have lived with the democratic French 'NO' vote against the EU constitution. But they chose to ignore democracy and push it through anyway.
- Irish government and the EU should have lived with the democratic Irish 'NO' vote against the EU constitution, now rebranded as the 'Lisbon Treaty'. But they chose to ignore democracy because the outcome was unwanted, so they just held a second referendum. Great tactic. Let the people constantly come to vote on the exact same thing so they don't believe in democracy anymore until it gets the desired outcome. A spit in the face of democracy.
- Dutch government and the EU should have lived with the democratic Dutch 'NO' vote against the EU treaty with Ukraine after EU's coup there. But they chose to ignore our democratic vote and push it through anyway.

The Brits voted 'NO' to stay in the EU. It's called democracy. If you don't like it, tough luck just live with it. But the EU is trying every trick in the book to not let them leave (blackmail is one of them). And May doesn't have the passion and the ambition herself to fully honor the vote, she's just another EU lacky. So it will probably be a half assed attempt, making the UK a shadow member of the EU while lying to the public that they're not in the EU anymore.

The democratic vote will not be honored, that's a guarantee. No vote of the people against the EU, in the history of the EU, has ever been honored and is always ignored. Fact. Which is the factual opposite of a democracy.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

yes yes islam is the problem and not 25.000 western bombs on their countries every year...saudi arabia = US product...if he wants to paint islam as saudi arabia then he should address their puppet masters as well that keep this regime in power and arm them so that they keep that oil flowing...funny how he never mentions any of this...but he is an "expert"...

he is a "paul markham" type charlatan "expert"...never been anywhere but knows everything...cant wait for him to post a new video "the best ways to operate on a brain" or "why vaccines are bad" narrated in his smug voice

well i do not agree in that 100%.
what the guy says in the video is basically correct - but he forgot a few things:

1. islam is not islam - same as christian not christian. - we should only look at some mormon sects who still live today in freedom treading wifes and children like 200 years ago.

2. if you blame religion for such things you just blame the power and influence that ANY religion might have on uneducated people. so it is not the religion - it is the lack of education what makes them vulnerable fro brain washing.

3. (and here i agree with you completely) the people in this countries are under educated BECAUSE it is much easier to get what the west wants if they have to deal with just a few corrupt and powerful leaders. so at the end we are financing the under education and the circumstances we see.

the point in this whole discussion is, that the hardliners here are thinking that people like you and me are not able to see the problems.
they do not understand that we can see the problems but looking deeper to find the roots.

if you want to extinguish burning oil with water it comes to an explosion and that's exactly the difference of our way of thinking

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by directfiesta

Sûre he should be ashamed, even though not responsable.
If your neighboor commits a hate crimes, would you not fell ashamed ? (you probable not, as a right wing nuit)

I'm a 'right wing nut' because i think you should take responsibility for your own actions?

Why the fuck would i feel ashamed if a neighbor of mine commits a crime? What the hell do i have to do with that? Because my house happens to be geographically next to his house? How can you be ashamed for another persons actions you have no control over whatsoever?

Anyway it seems you do feel shame for the actions of other individuals you have no control over. So let me ask you, as i did with historical events how far back in time we have to go for those (no answer unfortunately), how close does someone have to live so you feel ashamed for their actions?
Your neighbor: Check.
How about someone living in the same street?
How about someone living in the same neighborhood?
How about someone living in the same city?
How about someone living in the same country?
How about someone living in the same city?
How about someone living in the same continent?
How about someone living in the same world?

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by nico-t

I'm a 'right wing nut' because i think you should take responsibility for your own actions?

Why the fuck would i feel ashamed if a neighbor of mine commits a crime? What the hell do i have to do with that? Because my house happens to be geographically next to his house? How can you be ashamed for another persons actions you have no control over whatsoever?

Anyway it seems you do feel shame for the actions of other individuals you have no control over. So let me ask you, as i did with historical events how far back in time we have to go for those (no answer unfortunately), how close does someone have to live so you feel ashamed for their actions?
Your neighbor: Check.
How about someone living in the same street?
How about someone living in the same neighborhood?
How about someone living in the same city?
How about someone living in the same country?
How about someone living in the same city?
How about someone living in the same continent?
How about someone living in the same world?

even today your government is openly financing terrorists in their region...you live a better life because your forefathers exploited the living shit out of them...you did not do it directly, but you got better schools, better infrastructure, better economy and a better future...

how far back do we go? dude you never stopped it has been going on and on and on and on...before the EU, after the EU, this government, that government...I do not remember your country ever being against the utter destruction that you bring upon them...can you give me an example where holland said no in history to what you are doing to them? no? didnt think so...



"The government of the Netherlands designated €70 million to fund Syrian rebel groups fighting the government of Bashar al-Assad. It provided support to at least 22 rebel groups in Syria from 2015 to early 2018.[8]"

[thommy]

Originally Posted by nico-t

You're exactly right about what democracy is and i have no clue why you think I'd think otherwise by this thread. Examples democracy is non-existent in the EU:

the much clearer statement would be that there is and was never a democracy in not one EU countries. no matter if with or without EU.

- Dutch government and the EU should have lived with the democratic Dutch 'NO' vote against the EU constitution. But they chose to ignore democracy and push it through anyway.

a little bit late I would say.
you can not marry a women and complain later that she is a women.

i wonder why nobody was complaining that they joined the EU without such a vote.
no country was forced to join it. everyone came without any force and they KNEW
that it is something what have to grow and they KNEW that they have joined just a bigger family with even more different ideas.

- French government and the EU should have lived with the democratic French 'NO' vote against the EU constitution. But they chose to ignore democracy and push it through anyway.
- Irish government and the EU should have lived with the democratic Irish 'NO' vote against the EU constitution, now rebranded as the 'Lisbon Treaty'. But they chose to ignore democracy because the outcome was unwanted, so they just held a second referendum. Great tactic. Let the people constantly come to vote on the exact same thing so they don't believe in democracy anymore until it gets the desired outcome. A spit in the face of democracy.
- Dutch government and the EU should have lived with the democratic Dutch 'NO' vote against the EU treaty with Ukraine after EU's coup there. But they chose to ignore our democratic vote and push it through anyway.


The Brits voted 'NO' to stay in the EU. It's called democracy. If you don't like it, tough luck just live with it. But the EU is trying every trick in the book to not let them leave (blackmail is one of them). And May doesn't have the passion and the ambition herself to fully honor the vote, she's just another EU lacky. So it will probably be a half assed attempt, making the UK a shadow member of the EU while lying to the public that they're not in the EU anymore.

The democratic vote will not be honored, that's a guarantee. No vote of the people against the EU, in the history of the EU, has ever been honored and is always ignored. Fact. Which is the factual opposite of a democracy.

these referenda took place 13 years ago. shortly after the EU was founded and in which it still had all the childhood diseases of the world.
one of the childhood diseases is the lack of a common constitution.
if you had taken these referenda so seriously, you could have given up the whole idea immediately.
you can't vote to go on the bus but vote against filling it up with petrol.

so you're right when you say that the basis of democracy here has been ignored but for the sake of another democratic decision made before.

the states you mentioned didn't just come to the EU - they founded the EU !!!!!!!!

i don´t say that the EU is perfect but from the view of prosperity it brings us more advantages as disadvantages.

the biggest mistake the EU ever did was to let some of the eastern countries join it.
the people there are still far away from understanding democracy. some of them are in fact enemies of democracy and this makes it so hard right now.
you have the same problem even in Germany where you see a big difference of democracy understanding between east and west.
even there it will take one or 2 generations more to make people fit for a bigger society that cares each other. they are still used to think that society is their house and the 2 neighbors left and right from them.

but this world is more than just a street. this world can only exist as a big and global society. every single country on this planet is able to poise the whole world and not only the street they live in. this is why it is necessary to think global and not local.

if we would think local you could not even afford to put pepper on your steak or you would not even be able to buy a steak because the few dutch cows would just be enough for a small privileged group. but maybe you can cook something delicious out of tulip onions (in case your left or right neighbor have some and share it with you).

[ianmoone332000]

Can you imagine America, Canada etc handing part of its laws, immigration policy, human rights, fishing policy, trade agreements, billions of dollars per week over to a bunch of unelected people in a country like Argentina?. Honestly think about that cause that is what we British did. Then they wonder why 17 million people said enough is enough

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by thommy

it is the lack of education what makes them vulnerable fro brain washing.

trust me, when somebody drops 25.000 bombs/year on you, you do not have to try hard to find an angry person to fight it...I mean you are right, education is important everywhere but:

the thing about education is, and I know this from personal experience: when the bombs start dropping, all the educated moderates get silenced...there is nothing intelligent you can possibly say to influence people...now imagine decades upon decades of invasion and bombing...YOU would have a really really hard time bringing forward any western value or progressive message while the same west is dropping bombs on you...

muslims/islam/arabs/whatever KNOW what is right or wrong just like the west does...we are all homo sapiens and think alike...the problem is that their moderate views/voice is being taken away by bombs and invasions...YES education is important but it is powerless when stuff is being blown up around you for decades...

first the bombs have to stop...but this will not happen...$$$ needs to be made...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Can you imagine America, Canada etc handing part of its laws, immigration policy, human rights, fishing policy, trade agreements, billions of dollars per week over to a bunch of unelected people in a country like Argentina?. Honestly think about that cause that is what we British did. Then they wonder why 17 million people said enough is enough

so what you say is that the brits founded the EU together with france, germany, netherlands, belgium italy, spain and a few others and than they found out that democracy means that all of them have a voting right and left the disaster they founded ?

well if so they should call it something like "make the empire great again".

i really hope that the brexit is done soon that we all can watch from the far what happens.
i hope we do not receive too many british refugees after. but the 5 million specialists that are searched in the rest of the EU are very welcome.

[SIK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I never mentioned money but dont let that get in your way

I said you OWE them a chance for them to live in their own country after all white man did to them...next time you are eating US asshole and the US starts to destroy another country, you stop with the shit eating, and you rise against this...

you don't mention money but you basically say that any EU country should go to war with USA because of historical global conflicts

so, your logic...
me going to war for them is what I OWE them
and you don't want to do much simpler thing and send me money for what YOU OWE me?



anyway, I already see how it looks in your mind and I 100% reject your flawed logic of common blame and collective fault for everything - that is just plain dead wrong

also, I see that in your head you're innocent coz "you've been wronged" - nope, that doesn't fly either

but hey, I bet it is interesting in your head

[klinton]

Originally Posted by nico-t

You're missing the point. Does that mean someone who happens to be born in Germany, who didn't even exist during that time, should be ashamed of what other people in that country used to do? Why? He or she doesn't have anything to do with it. Zero.

thats why its important to not repeat history, hope you understand this ;]

[SIK]

Originally Posted by P_RABID

What happened to Titto's dream of a United Yugoslavia

It is Tito (one T)

Yugoslavia was a bad idea from the first day. Too much difference between nations, religions and too much centralization from Beograd (Serbia). If it wasn't war, economy would snap it in even more pieces than it did.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by klinton

thats why its important to not repeat history, hope you understand this ;]

Exactly. Learn from history. That's a totally different thing than being ashamed for someone elses behavior that you cannot control.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by SIK

you don't mention money but you basically say that any EU country should go to war with USA because of historical global conflicts

so, your logic...
me going to war for them is what I OWE them
and you don't want to do much simpler thing and send me money for what YOU OWE me?

anyway, I already see how it looks in your mind and I 100% reject your flawed logic of common blame and collective fault for everything - that is just plain dead wrong

also, I see that in your head you're innocent coz "you've been wronged" - nope, that doesn't fly either

but hey, I bet it is interesting in your head

again you have trouble reading...did I mention war? no...it is just you having reading problems or your IQ is too low to understand...

all of europe OWES their former colonies and victims a chance of a better life by leaving them alone and NOT eating US shit...(reading problem help: not money or war)...I did not mention war <----concentrate your tiny brain...I did not mention money <----concentrate your tiny brain....

the EU does not have a right to complain about the smell of US shit, while it actively eats US foreign policy ass...the EU does not have the right to complain about people running away from US foreign policy while the EU actively supports US foreign policy...

if you do not like the smell of US foreign policy shit, do not let the US shit on your part of the world (not war <----concentrate)...if you do not understand this very very simple idea you are stupid and I can not explain it any simpler

Originally Posted by SIK

It is Tito (one T)

Yugoslavia was a bad idea from the first day. Too much difference between nations, religions and too much centralization from Beograd (Serbia). If it wasn't war, economy would snap it in even more pieces than it did.

tito was croat...serbs had no problems living under a croat...the same croats who sided with the nazis, had concentration camps and held serb speed killing competitions and you even had a specialized knife for it:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srbosjek

and then croats got angry when tito went away...they formed their own terrorist organization and hijacked airplanes, attacked embassies and even planned to blow up the statue of liberty:

https://www.nytimes.com/1981/07/23/u...americans.html

"The arrest of nine Croatian nationalists last month, which Federal agents say halted ''the most violent terrorist group in the United States,'' has brought an uneasy calm to the nation's two million Croatian-Americans."

[thommy]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

trust me, when somebody drops 25.000 bombs/year on you, you do not have to try hard to find an angry person to fight it...I mean you are right, education is important everywhere but:

the thing about education is, and I know this from personal experience: when the bombs start dropping, all the educated moderates get silenced...there is nothing intelligent you can possibly say to influence people...now imagine decades upon decades of invasion and bombing...YOU would have a really really hard time bringing forward any western value or progressive message while the same west is dropping bombs on you...

muslims/islam/arabs/whatever KNOW what is right or wrong just like the west does...we are all homo sapiens and think alike...the problem is that their moderate views/voice is being taken away by bombs and invasions...YES education is important but it is powerless when stuff is being blown up around you for decades...

first the bombs have to stop...but this will not happen...$$$ needs to be made...

i know what you mean but i have had an interesting experience 2 years ago when i was visiting Vietnam.

these dwarves with an average height of 1.45 meters tossed out the americans with stones and bamboo sticks and sacrificed millions of people for it.

nevertheless, nobody hates america or the americans. i have never seen a country in my life where technical schooling has reached the brains so well and political schooling so badly.

even though it's still a dictatorial communist regime today, a lot has changed. i'm sure in 10 or 15 years vietnam won't be communist anymore and it will go this way without blood and wars. simply because the people there are so eager to learn and have the education to know how to receive qualified information.

in vietnam time will repair it - in other countries where these learning possibilities are missing (like in many islamic states where people often can't even read or write) the way will be longer and harder, because we are not able (and for egoistic reasons not willing) to transport education there.

the problem of our time are the technical achievements we have made. in the past no country could destroy the world - in 10 years every banana state can. this raises completely different problems. there are only 2 ways with which mankind can survive.
1. a worldwide dictatorship that is forced with blood and war.

or

2. a global democracy that makes it essential to make compromises and take a step towards each other

The 3rd option is the complete destruction of the planet.

it is in our hands which of them becomes real

[thommy]

Originally Posted by nico-t

Exactly. Learn from history. That's a totally different thing than being ashamed for someone elses behavior that you cannot control.

you are contradicting yourself because you are believe in things that are PROVEN wrong.

[SIK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

again you have trouble reading...did I mention war? no...it is just you having reading problems or your IQ is too low to understand...

Originally Posted by crucifissio

I said you OWE them a chance for them to live in their own country after all white man did to them...next time you are eating US asshole and the US starts to destroy another country, you stop with the shit eating, and you rise against this...

how do I rise against it? on twitter or gfy perhaps?

but anyway, like I said - I 100% reject the idiotic logic of historical guilt
that "white guilt" shit is the biggest leftist nonsense

but the following tells a lot about you:

Originally Posted by crucifissio

tito was croat...serbs had no problems living under a croat...the same croats who sided with the nazis, had concentration camps and held serb speed killing competitions and you even had a specialized knife for

quite a historian I see, nice recollection of 1940-1945 age of nazi europe / croatia

lets go 50 years in the future to modern age, 1991 and beyond, when Serbian paramilitary was slaughtering Croats, locking them in concentration camps, and singing songs about "we'll get meat from butchering Croats, we just need some salad with it"

you see, from your selective history choice, I see you're just a miserable frustrated Serb, just because NATO bombed your asses back to stone age because you wanted to do the same to Kosovo

hypocrisy is a bad thing, cheers.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by SIK

how do I rise against it? on twitter or gfy perhaps?

but anyway, like I said - I 100% reject the idiotic logic of historical guilt
that "white guilt" shit is the biggest leftist nonsense

protest against the USA shitting on our side of the world...expel US diplomats...introduce sanctions...

your right wing "no white man is ever guilty" nonsense is most amusing...

Originally Posted by SIK

but the following tells a lot about you:



quite a historian I see, nice recollection of 1940-1945 age of nazi europe / croatia

lets go 50 years in the future to modern age, 1991 and beyond, when Serbian paramilitary was slaughtering Croats, locking them in concentration camps, and singing songs about "we'll get meat from butchering Croats, we just need some salad with it"

you see, from your selective history choice, I see you're just a miserable frustrated Serb, just because NATO bombed your asses back to stone age because you wanted to do the same to Kosovo

hypocrisy is a bad thing, cheers.

well yes they remember WW2 and how croats murdered everybody left and right, and when your new nationalist/separatist/terrorist leader franjo tudjman, author of a book on guerilla warfare, got support from honest honest bill clinton: the region panicked

you make croatia sound like the cradle of innocence

to this day you celebrate "oluja" where you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people in 1 day...where there is smoke, there is fire

croat history IRL:
"The Croats promptly set about exterminating or deporting the minority Serbs in their new state with a barbarism that shocked even the war-hardened German troops."

maybe you are the ones that are shit?

[SIK]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

protest against the USA shitting on our side of the world...expel US diplomats...introduce sanctions...

Nope. USA is shitting on YOUR side of the world, because you're shitting on others.
You know, like when child bullies a smaller child and then a bigger child steps in and gives some deserved spanking.

Croatia got no problems with USA (or anyone for that matter), we're not fucking around with neighbors.

For fucks sake, even Putin told your president to chill the fuck out, couple of days ago.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

your right wing "no white man is ever guilty" nonsense is most amusing...

Don't twist my words please. I was very precise in what I said.

Originally Posted by crucifissio

to this day you celebrate "oluja" where you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people in 1 day...where there is smoke, there is fire

See? We're efficient as fuck.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by thommy

before you start to think about the lack of democracy in the EU you should first think about what democracy actually is.
in a democratic community (and it doesn't matter if it is a family, a community, a city, a country or the EU) there is not the opinion of the individual but the opinion of the majority.

you sound as if you are confusing democracy with a kingdom in which a wise king rules and who simply does everything right for everyone.

every member of the EU has elected his own representatives. if these are the wrong ones then you shouldn't blame the donkey for eating the flowers in the garden but the one who put him in the garden.

i think it's very funny when people who don't even understand the basics of democracy and are actually supporters of dictatorship get upset about a lack of democracy.

there is no british, german, french or dutch democracy. there is only the majority decision. and even if it were wrong you would have to live with it as a follower of democracy. democracy is the opposite of you because it is the opposite of egoism.

Offer EU countries an open trade deal instead of the EU and the whole thing collapses. The only reason to stay in the EU is trade. That was why it started out as the Common Market and has taken more and more power.