It turns out Karl Marx' famous quote on Religion is MISUNDERSTOOD - GoFuckYourself.com

mce · 03-08-2019, 01:57 PM

The full quote

The context: OPIUM in the 1800s was viewed as a MEDICINE... much like MEDICINAL marijuana is used today. A salve for the soul.

However, in the years after Marx, his quote about religion being the "opium of the masses" was interpreted in a completely different way. It was viewed as something to BE DESTROYED / OPPOSED / RIDICULED because it pure DELUSION and DESTRUCTION. Marx had a different context for it.

Besides, any society based on REAL atheism will quickly fall apart because, interestingly enough, any conception of MORALITY hinges on acceptance of a PRIOR AUTHORITY... Real atheism has no space for concepts like EVIL. It's every person for himself.

Prove me wrong, bruhs!

~Ray · 03-08-2019, 02:05 PM

A society could be based on science instead of religion.

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CaptainHowdy · 03-08-2019, 02:47 PM

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A society could be based on science instead of religion.

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That would be Auguste Comte . . .

CaptainHowdy · 03-08-2019, 02:53 PM

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notinmybackyard · 03-08-2019, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Ray

A society could be based on science instead of religion.

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Communists have been totting science over religion since the late 1800s and we've all seen how successful Communist nations have been.

Also you'll notice that 95% of the innovation this world enjoys has come from Capitalist nations with strong Christian backgrounds.

For better or for worse it's religion that deals with questions about morality, justice, laws and rights.

While on the other hand the core doctrines of science never stop to consider the inner dealings of humanity and the societies which we create..... Science only seeks to understand the natural world based on observable phenomena and it doesn't give a fuck about things like justice for mother's murdered son.

mce · 03-08-2019, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Ray

A society could be based on science instead of religion.

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Is "evil" even a concept in science?

crockett · 03-08-2019, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Communists have been totting science over religion since the late 1800s and we've all seen how successful Communist nations have been.

Also you'll notice that 95% of the innovation this world enjoys has come from Capitalist nations with strong Christian backgrounds.

For better or for worse it's religion that deals with questions about morality, justice, laws and rights.

While on the other hand the core doctrines of science never stop to consider the inner dealings of humanity and the societies which we create..... Science only seeks to understand the natural world based on observable phenomena and it doesn't give a fuck about things like justice for mother's murdered son.

You discredited your own point.. You try to make the point that science over religion = bad because the commies did it and failed. Yet then go on to say Capitalism is better than Communism.

Meanwhile the reason the commies failed was not because they pushed science of religion, but because Communism unchecked is a failed system just like Capitalism left unchecked will also fail.

Most of the middle east are ruled by religious leaders and all of the middle east are failed states..

The point being too much of one thing will always eventually fail. Society needs a balance..

Democracy with checks and balances is the only thing that will last because that is a system of the people by the people. When those in power become corrupted by their power and start trying to right the system in their favor the system will fail.

Trump and Republicans are working very hard to destroy democracy & in doing so they will cause the end of democracy and create a failed state if their wishes come true..

notinmybackyard · 03-09-2019, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

You discredited your own point.. You try to make the point that science over religion = bad because the commies did it and failed. Yet then go on to say Capitalism is better than Communism.

Meanwhile the reason the commies failed was not because they pushed science of religion, but because Communism unchecked is a failed system just like Capitalism left unchecked will also fail.

Most of the middle east are ruled by religious leaders and all of the middle east are failed states..

The point being too much of one thing will always eventually fail. Society needs a balance..

1. Name one capitalist nation that's failed.
Capitalist nations start having problems when governments attempt to interfere in the market, social interactions, private lives of citizens, etc.

2. Ancient Islam worried about morality, justice, etc.
Modern Islam is just plain fucked up and the vast majority of the people in those nations LIKE it that way.

(NB: My tax dollars are paying for one of my loser neighbors to walk back and forth to his mosque several times a day. He does NOT work at all. Plus he's got 4 kids with 2 women... Collects a big welfare check, lives in subsidized housing, gets free food from food banks, free clothing from charities, his kids get free boxing lessons at the community center and drives a new SUV.

He gets a better deal than the people born in this nation and it's the natural born citizens that pay for this bum right to do nothing but pray 5 times a day. The irony is that while he contributes nothing to society he's still a respected member of the community on the other hand I'm a scum bag pornographer that employs people and pays taxes.

That's How Socialism/Communism works because hard work never pays off but being a lousy drain on society is praised. So where's the fucking science to study and fix this problem?

Ancient Christianity had a solution to fix the Islam problme and they called it the crusades. Perhaps if more people started going back to church we would see a lot less usless drains on society)

mce · 03-09-2019, 01:24 PM

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Capitalism left unchecked will also fail.

But didn't most of the industrialization in the West (and the matching EXPLOSION IN WEALTH) take place during those decades when capitalism was left 'unchecked'?

Indeed, if that initial groundwork wasn't laid, the West won't be as rich today...

VRPdommy · 03-09-2019, 02:15 PM

People cling to religion when they run out of hope from MAN.

Bladewire · 03-09-2019, 02:21 PM

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But didn't most of the industrialization in the West (and the matching EXPLOSION IN WEALTH) take place during those decades when capitalism was left 'unchecked'?

Indeed, if that initial groundwork wasn't laid, the West won't be as rich today...

You mean the time period when electricity, the light bulb, the telegraph, the phone, the electric engine, combustible engine, air flight & the light bulb were invented and when the government finished the nationwide rail system, roads, national electric grid and water/sewage system? Increased mobility, ease of instant long distance communication, water/sewer & electricity & the light bulb allowing people to work longer hours, and with machine help. Let's not forget millions and millions of wealthy new European immigrants to the country bringing their wealth with them.

Not much to do with unrestricted capitalism. Capitalism is a great thing but unrestricted capitalism is what caused the Great Depression.

VRPdommy · 03-09-2019, 02:45 PM

notinmybackyard · 03-09-2019, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mce

But didn't most of the industrialization in the West (and the matching EXPLOSION IN WEALTH) take place during those decades when capitalism was left 'unchecked'?

Indeed, if that initial groundwork wasn't laid, the West won't be as rich today...

I'm a real old man and I can tell you that compared to the way things used to be.... Trying to make money today is like trying to ice skate on a lake during a heat wave in August.

VRPdommy · 03-09-2019, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire

You mean the time period when electricity, the light bulb, the telegraph, the phone, the electric engine, combustible engine, air flight & the light bulb were invented and when the government finished the nationwide rail system, roads, national electric grid and water/sewage system? Increased mobility, ease of instant long distance communication, water/sewer & electricity & the light bulb allowing people to work longer hours, and with machine help. Let's not forget millions and millions of wealthy new European immigrants to the country bringing their wealth with them.

Not much to do with unrestricted capitalism. Capitalism is a great thing but unrestricted capitalism is what caused the Great Depression.

It is easy to get 'un-restrained' when, for a little money, you can make the rules that applies to capitalism.
And much easier when you have all the money.

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just a punk · 03-10-2019, 12:33 AM

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The context: OPIUM in the 1800s was viewed as a MEDICINE... much like MEDICINAL marijuana is used today. A salve for the soul.

It has never been misunderstood. Opiom was used in medicine in 1800s and it is still being used in medicine today as a drug to relieve suffering, especially suffering of hopelessly ill people who's gonna die.

So Marx just said that religion is a pain killer for the depressed and mentally ill society. I don't understand how somebody may misunderstood his words.

As about marijuana, so just like vodka it may help you to suppress depression in a short term, but it has always a serious negative effect to your psychics in a long term. Thus vodka and marijuana can not be called a cure because they don't cure you at all. They just give you a false illusion of "everything is ok" while they destroy your brain: Panic Attacks and Marijuana | Anxiety Canada Youth.

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Marijuana Use and Panic Psychopathology Among a Representative Sample of Adults

The Complete Guide to Marijuana Induced Anxiety and Panic Attacks

Cannabis-Induced Anxiety Disorder - Alta Mira Recovery

Can Using Medical Marijuana Increase Anxiety and Depression?

http://psychiatryonline.org/doi/full...rj.2018.130202

http://mic.com/articles/166394/marij...ack-while-high

http://www.royalqueenseeds.com/blog-...d-anxiety-n664

http://teenmentalhealth.org/learn/me...anic-disorder/

http://www.psycom.net/marijuana-for-anxiety-in-teens/

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