crockett

Because of Trump's trade wars he had to give US farmers $12billion in welfare payments starting last year.

That 1st $12 billion is now gone so he now wants an additional $15 billion in bailouts. Yet there is no Republican outrage of these bailouts due to Trump's direct actions.

Trump caused these bailouts its 100% on him yet they say nothing no out rage.


Meanwhile when GM was given $17.5 billion or Dodge was given $24 billion by both Obama and Bush Republicans had a hussy fit when Obama did it

The Republicans were absolutely outraged.. not so much outraged about Bush starting the bailouts but very outraged at Obama's..

Yet the Automakers bailouts had repayment requirements and the US govt made a profit once we were repaid.


Yet here we sit with Trump handing out welfare payments with no repayment requirements and Republicans say not a word..

What happened to all that outrage?

Remember how pissed off Robbie was? Remember how pissed off Vendilldo was at Obama over those bailouts? Yet not a word about Trump..

Hypocrisy?

beerptrol

Their outrage like their patriotism is fake. Supreme leader Chump can do no wrong!

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Acepimp

15?? Obama gave the rich bankers $245B. Crockette hates American farmers and he supports bankers and the communist Chinese dictators. Very strange.

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crockett

Bush... signed TARP into law. The bailouts were agreed to before Obama set foot in the WH.. Learn facts and history..

Most of what you blame Obama for was done before he took office. The Automakers bailouts were started by Bush as well.

Obama took office after the crash started and was still ongoing.

Funny though once again you prove you are incapable of saying Trump has done anything wrong. Your only response to Trump creating the mess that requires tax payer money to bail out farmers is .....


But ..but...but . OBAMA...


Oh 245 billion you say.... Bush gave 700 billion at the start and signed into law even more than that which went into Obama's 1st year budget.

OneHungLo

OMG you mean like .009% of government spending! How dare he!!!

Tomorrow will be Trump took a dump and didn't do a courtesy flush.

The fake outrage never ends.

RedFred

Trump and his cult followers supports your leader, the original communist dictator Putin.

Bladewire

Why are you lying again?

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crockett

Trump's bail outs to farmers right now = 3x what he wanted for his wall... Yet "no biggie, no biggie"..

If he gets the new amount he wants it would be like 5 times the amount he wanted for the wall..

Trump's trade war bail outs mean no wall 4 you!

RedFred

Yet give 1/10 of that to poor kids school lunch programs and the pro-lifers scream 'handouts!' and 'make them work as janitors in the school'.

crockett

Yea it's amazing isn't it...

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OneHungLo

If that wall cost $500 dollars You piece of shit libs would vote against it because you love illegals.

RedFred

Says the liar who claims he voted for Clinton and Obama twice.

Bladewire

Why are you lying?

You know none of us non Trumpers here are pro illegals.

You know the stance Rochard, Crocket & I take on illegals.

Why lie?

crockett

Can anyone tell me why we need $28 billion in bail out during a "BOOMING ECONOMY"?

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crockett

$500 is that all? Fuck dude I can front him that...


dildo.. Trump wanted $5 billion for his wittle wall..

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/03/68185...order-security


Trump has given Farmers $12 billion he now wants another $15 billion.. Also I think the original bail out is for $15 billion but $12 has been spent to date so I think it will actually be $30 billion total meaning 6 x what he wanted for his wall.


It seems Trump doesn't want that wall after all.. Her'd rather give tax payer money to farmers..

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crockett

Once again Red Hats can't explain their double standards..

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OneHungLo

Then why the hell are you voting for dems? You're not even aware of what you're party is pushing.

crockett

^^^ still can't speak about the topic.. just ...but..but..buuu liberal bad!!!!


Why is it impossible for right wing retards to say their guy has done something wrong? Those of us on the left have no problem complaining when people on the left do something wrong. Yet right wingers is 100% team sports.. They can't say anything bad about their team because their cult will disown them..

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directfiesta

You mean that the fact defender , the guardian of facts , Asspimple , is spreading lies ( alternate facts for truth is not the truth ... ) ????

OMG , Asspimple, run the the gatewaypundit, fast !!!!!

Acepimp

And the Bush family endorsed Hillary. They are all part of the swamp. Don't you get it? Trump won because he's not part of the corrupt establishment.

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Grapesoda

outrage is a waste of time, he's just trying to dig us out the obama hole. we be fine soon enough ...

crockett

...but..but..but.. Hillary..

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RedFred

Why does a Russian water park worker care about any of this?

Grapesoda

this is WHY I voted for trump. I was hoping he had russian connections though

(kinda weird crockett won't believe me... I wonder what that's about, common stupidity? or creepy agendas??) same with rockhard...

either way trump works for us, we need to let him do his job... support the man and his family. I couldn't believe when obama federalized state land on the way out... that's called 'stealing' when trump gave it back he was targeted as an asshole.. the female obama went on oprah and told the country there is no more hope.. very low class for sure.. both of them.. glad they outta there ..

I heard the other day that when trump was doing the primaries stuff, big ears told trump, I'm the president and you never will be... that worked out pretty well for the dumb ass didn't it lol!! probably the only reason trump need to make this happen

Bosa

Grapesoda

the rate of suicide is for white men, not just farmers BUT like the trannie school shooting needs to be obfuscated so the media can blame somebody, non liberals of course.. . I've been watching the stats for about 15 years... and farming has been having a crap go at for about 30 years..

american pervert

can anyone tell me why you are so hung up on trump? I mean really, all this posting, what has it gotten you? admiration from chickenwire and his fake nicks?

makes you look pathetic, no wonder you are poor. you are too busy posting here instead of working and making money. unless you are paid to post like chickenwire....

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Paul Markham

Let's strike some balance here.

Just to support your cheap goods in the shops.

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Building the Wall will reduce illegal immigration, which will reduce the countries welfare bills by more.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=tnr...30.IiNg7ktuDK8

More restriction on illegal immigrants ability to work will have a better effect.

https://www.google.com/search?ei=tnr...30.IiNg7ktuDK8

Why is it only now that illegal immigration is causing such a stir in the US. In Europe the peope are already voting for Right Wing parties because of migration and the Centre and Left's encouragement of it.

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A school kid will tell you. The US is in the same hole as many EU countries and some others. Economies are measured by wealth of the big companies, not the wealth of the workers or farmers.

The top 1% are doing fucking marvellous. How much has most incomes grown by over the last 20 years?

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$5 billion is chicken feed. How many jobs have to be given to the Americans unemployed would pay that back in a month. The US is currently spending $1 trillion on welfare. Does that include all the costs of illegal immigrants?

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I can say Trump has made some pretty big mistakes since taking office. Tax cuts, Climate change, supporting Israel, etc. But on migration and trade he's spot on. Migration is a fairly easy fix, trade will take decades to get back to the good times and cost Americans more at the shops. Imagine Americans getting a full tax bill with no borrowing to lighten the load. That's the cost of making America great again.

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They don't want to get it.

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bronco67

As long as he has his trade war, who cares about how much it costs behind the scenes? The trade war is about political optics only because Donald Trump does not care about you, me, spending, deficits, debt etc...and she sure as fuck doesn't care about any farmers. He just wants to make sure he has something to let his mouthbreathing base know he's in there fucking shit up for them.

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Let me explain in as simple language as possible why spending, deficits, debt etc are so bad at the moment.

One of the biggest bills of the US today is welfare. This is looking after all the people who can't get jobs, making sure THEY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO LIVE ON. So they don't come marching into your part of town and setting it ablaze.

Another reason for the debt is the huge amount of tax revenue that is flowing out of the US into 3rd world countries in the way of factories, offices, R&D centres, etc. Businesses pay to the country they are based in a huge amount of taxes, like building, employees, fuel, etc. Then there are rents that are no longer being collected. So it's not just employees wages you've lost is a huge amount more.

It's no easy fix but just stopping the haemorrhaging of business to the 3rd world will help, because now China is better than the US at many things they make sothey can sell it world wide. If you believe China, India and the rest of the 3rd world will stop growing now, you believe pigs will fly.

United States is at 107th place with an increase of 2.8%

China at 17th with an Increase of 6.5%

India at 7th with an Increase of 7.0%

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/BJOKD67VG

If you have children, what will they do when they need to earn a living. Their children will be really fucked when it's their time to go find a job. And spending, deficits, debt will be out of control and unless they're one of the few who will be fine.

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Bladewire

Conservatards are only conservative when Democrats are in power.

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crockett

You are a migrant... Maybe people who were born in the country you are leeching from don't like you being there...

You moved to a cheap country to live cheap and pay models nothing but you bitch endlessly about brown people trying to better their lives by moving to another country.

The simple fact is you couldn't have competed in porn if you stayed in your home country. You moved to make life easier on yourself and take advantage of what the other country had to offer..

You are exactly the same as them.

Also this topic isn't about immigration it's about Republican hypocrisy and wasting My tax dollars because Trump did stupid shit..

There is no more crying about a wall.. Trump has spent his wall money bailing out farmers that he fucked over..

If he wanted a wall he shouldn't have started a trade war and giving tax cuts to billionaires. Trump made the decision not to have a wall when he decided to give away billions to the 1% and start a trade war.

TheSquealer

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I play the game by the rules on the table, not by some dream I might have.

I'm not anti all migration I think it should be better controlled.

I was in porn in the UK from 1977 to 1998 and then moved to Czech and in porn here from 1999 to 2008.

Post about things you know and avoid lying.

The trade war is to force nations with a huge inbalance of trade with the US to buy more US goods. Democrats are against the wall with or without tax cuts to billionaires, which was a stupid move. Taxes applied to imports of the goods from countries who exploit cheap labour should be raised.

But thank you for confirming you're in favour of Americans losing jobs. First you confirmed Americans, of all colours, should lose jobs to illegal immigrants and now you confirm Americans should lose jobs to countries that exploit cheap labour. Just wait till someone does your job.

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Bladewire

Trump's trade war is a failure.

17 months of the trade war and Trump has given us the highest trade Gap with China and US history.

17 months ago our stock market stopped growing under Obama's upward trajectory and we've been stagnant for 17 months now.

Prices for goods has gone up 25% for the American consumers.

American farmers are being put out of business and giving huge $28 billion compensation packages.

But despite it's failure you see it as a win because "team Trump".

Hopefully someday you'll see how fucked up your ideology is and how brainwashed you are but I don't expect it will be anytime soon.

Trump could say the sky is purple and you'll find out some explanation to make him right, that's how suckered in you are.

beerptrol

62 million of that went to a Brazilian owned meat packing plant and I bet the mega company farms received more than the local family farmers

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Idigmygirls

Yes, I can... and I think you'll enjoy my answer:

Firstly, the stuff you won't like. The reason (justification???) for Repubs not being outraged by these bailouts is because it appears that the government has made more from the tariffs (taxes) than the amount paid out, so technically, this is net positive for the Treasury. (Notwithstanding that Repubs, if they weren't hypocrites, would be "outraged" at these huge taxes, they aren't so outraged because the tax - I mean tariffs - are a tax on low income, so they don't care...)

But the truth is quite different. What's actually happened is simple if you strip out the BS.

- Trump taxes imports by 25%.
- China responds by tariffing (in China that means essentially, prohibiting the import lest you upset the State) Soybeans and other agricultural products.
- US farmers see prices collapse and need a bailout, so
- Almost all the tax revenue goes to farmers who then...
- Sell the Soybeans, etc. to China anyway under an agreement between US and China in which China agreed to buy more US agricultural products, BUT
- Since the prices have collapsed and are being subsidized, they get to buy the Soybeans that they would have purchased anyway, at a HUGE DISCOUNT.

So, in short, tariffs cost US taxpayers the cash, which goes to farmers so they can sell their Soybeans to China for far less than the cost to produce. China has gotten Trump to SUBSIDIZE THEIR IMPORTS on the back of US taxpayers.

It is brilliant jujitsu by China who is laughing all the way the bank.

Sadly, no one seems to have put this whole chain together on the Republican side. They don't think "math" or "facts" are real, so I guess this is what they get.

Rochard

No. Welfare is not even in the top three.

The top three biggest items the United States spends is...
Medicare and health $986 billion
Social security $895 billion
Military $598 billion

Keep in mind all US Citizens pay into social security.

"Safety net programs" comes in at $357 billion. This includes earned federal employees retirement funds, the VA, income tax credits, child tax credits, SSI, unemployment, SNAP (food stamps), school meals, low income housing assistance, child care assistance, etc. Food stamps is $118 billion... In comparison, the interest on US debt is currently $263 billion and going to raise in a big way.

We are paying more in interest for our debt than we are for food stamps.

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Rochard

So... basically Americans are seeing the biggest "tax" in the past forty years and they are taking that money and giving it to farmers who sell soybeans to China?

Where the fuck is the logic in that?

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crockett

The mega farms got 80% of the money..

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Paul Markham

So your saying only the top 3 is the top. I said one of the top, which includes all the costs associated with the loss of industries to the 3rd world and uncontrolled immigration.

The reason interest on debt repayment is so high is the way we're led by politicians. Either taxes pay for all government spending or keep borrowing. It's a simple choice. Blaming one President for the mess you're in is silly.

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Either we stop the flow of industries out of the West or we stop it. It has only been 50 years since China was a 3rd world nation. Where will it be in another 50 years?

The West has lost millions of good jobs, industries and taxes to the 3rd world to make big business rich and the people poorer. https://www.google.com/search?q=gap+...ih=625&dpr= 1 There's lot to read that proves the way we are going is wrong.

Trump is doing this to save manufacturing, jobs, incomes, taxes, etc. If you think it's going to be easy, you're wrong. But doing nothing is no longer a choice.

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