Rochard

This should damper Trump's attempt at building his wall.

A federal judge in California ruled against the Trump administration on Friday in two different cases, ultimately preventing $2.5 billion in federal funds from being used for a border wall in portions of California, New Mexico, Texas and Arizona.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/polit...PVC0lIz41PD1Ag

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It' only defense department money.. Pelosi just agreed to give him 5 billion... Pelosi fucking gave him everything he wanted..

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You seem glad the country isn't able to strengthen it's borders. Is this anti-American or not?

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brassmonkey

all we need is people reporting illegals and get a tent city prison setup in south america. house them there. watch children of men. they have the system i want to see.their children become wards and go through normal life. their parents slaves till they take their last breath LOL! no they are deported to an island full of monsters. trump clones that yell you're fired day and nite

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Grapesoda

yup.... I agree

Rochard

We already did this. In 2006 we spent $2.3 billion dollars on fencing, protecting 700 miles of fencing. It's like pouring money down a bottomless pit. The vast majority of people entering the country illegally are doing so through the ports of entry. If not... they go over, under, around, or through fencing and walls.

It's not that I am "anti-American"... I just see no reason to spend billions of dollars when it will accomplish nothing. We already spent billions of dollars, and now we have to spend billions more to house the people that came over, under, around, or through the 700 miles plus of border fencing we put up.

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Lol trump gonna trump

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4D chess my friend.

Major (Tom)

I love you brother, but allowing that many people in illegally isn’t good for anyone. If you really think all these people with skills equal or equivalent to starting a hedge trimmer is going to help this nation, you are mistaken. Diversity isn’t our strength. We should allow the best of the best in. Sort of like college, minus the affirmative action bs.

Rochard

I am not saying we need to be allowing people in. I am saying that pouring more billions into a solution that isn't working isn't a proper solution. A lot of people seem to think "If we build a wall that will stop them" and that obviously isn't the case. We've spent billions building walls and it hasn't stopped them. They are walking up to border entry points and saying "I am seeking asylum" and we legally obligated to accept them.

We didn't have these problems under Obama. People weren't coming to the United States in droves under Obama, and when we caught them here illegally we either gave them options to become American citizens or deported them. Under Obama we deported more people than ever before. The problem isn't that we don't have walls; The problem is how the Trump administration has handled everything. Long before we build a wall we need a comprehensive and legal plan on how to manage this. Building "internment camps" is not a short or long term solution.

I completely disagree with you when you say "Diversity isn’t our strength". Diversity is what makes America what it is. For better or for worse, we are in fact a nation of immigrants. We always have been, and always will be. I am Polish and Irish; Both of my parents came here as immigrants. Diversity is our strength.

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Bladewire

Every week you post the same shit to us about our border and every week it's explained to you, then 2 days later you act like you haven't learned anything. Seriously a waste of time with you.

Bladewire

At least you admit that you're a racist finally.

"The best of the best" doesn't want to work in a field picking crops, shoveling shit on farms, mowing lawns & pulling weeds, cleaning toilets or working as a maid. It's odd you don't comprehend the basic tenants of American society.

brassmonkey

you tell them david duke! without it there will be 90% blonde and blue eyes. just like harvard and yale. forget about if you qualify. they look at your skin and grab the rejected stamp here you guys ride off topic

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Vendzilla

It's just a delay, like everything else, it will go to the supreme Court and reversed

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DBS.US

There is no attempt, They been building many miles of Trumps new wall for a long time.

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Rochard

No, they haven't. There has been no new construction of new wall.

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The earliest it could possibly be heard by the SC is after the 2020 election. The cases for the next SC session are already laid out, this will not be one of them..

So GL with that line of thinking and building your wittle wall. Better go hit that GoFundMe campaign again.

crockett

No no it's there Trump says so... thousands of miles

Grapesoda

lets see if I understand.... in the obama years People weren't coming to the United States in droves under Obama BUT now that trump is pres and the US is a total piece of shit homophobic, racist misogynistic nazi country... now mother fuckers are actally dying to get in.... thanks for clearing that up

Grapesoda

watch this bro...

brassmonkey

3 hours? you trippin. turn on the tv and see what color you see. flip 5 local channels

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Diversity is never our strength.

https://archive.boston.com/news/glob..._of_diversity/


You should understand this very well since you've stated here several times you hate your hispanic neighbors and even called the cops on them several times.

We built this great country because we were homogeneously all white Europeans. This country will be destroyed when were all mixed up.

BaldBastard

I think its got more to do with America and Russia trying their best to destabilize already destabilized Governments and parts of the population running from the internal chaos and danger by seeking asylum in other countries.

USA is the only place too head because YOUR Government has fucked over, fucked up and fucked off every other country in the Americas at some point in time.

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oh you brit offspring have done your share to blacks there. don't start throwing stones

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Rochard

Yes, you are understanding that correctly.

Illegal immigration under Obama dropped. In 2015, illegal immigration had dropped to 2008 levels. Illegal immigration was falling, while deportations were up. Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any other president.

Suddenly Trump comes into office, beating his chest, talking about his fucking wall, and how he was going to stop people from coming.... So all of the people who thinking about coming here illegally said "It's now or never" and now they are coming. The Trump administration is has no plan to handle this.

We had no crisis under Obama. Less people were coming, more people were being deported, and we didn't have a crisis at the border.

Now we have more people coming over, less people being deported, we are locking people up in cages like animals, we are removing children from their parents never to be seen again, and our immigration system is completely overwhelmed.

This is disgusting, evil, and vile. It's un-American. Coming to the United States illegally is a misdemeanor. We are taking people who are not American citizens who have committed a misdemeanor and locking them up "until further notice" and denying them fucking toothbrushes.

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Grapesoda

lay out some joints and give it a shot.... it will blow your mind. learn something bro running your mouth without knowledge is bullshit and you know it

Grapesoda

dude you are fucked up, your team is fucked up. you are the guys that dumped a march for women because too many white women showed up and voted a man woman of the year... you kinda have no right to comment on anything... like the eastern euro guy said... you have bad luck when you think.

in the meantime millions of people with sneak in to be nazis...

brassmonkey

you keep on tokin. what's bullshit? racist asshole

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Vendzilla

Diversity only works if we speak the same language.

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brassmonkey

uh it's called a melting pot

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Not sure if joke or is really this dumb..

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Rochard

Are you drunk? Or high? Not a single word you said made any sense to me....

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That wall is not the answer.

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Thank god people like you weren't around when my grandparents came to this country.

My grandmother came to the United States as a teenager at the close of WWII. She came from Poland and didn't speak a lick of English. She died at age 89 still speaking broken English.

My step father came from Belgium, again when he came here as a teen he didn't speak any English at all. Sixty years later he still speaks more French than English. When he gets excited or upset, he spits out French - his native language.

You seem to think that everyone who ever came to the United States spoke English, and that's far from the truth. No one came from Italy, or Spain, or France, or Poland speaking English...

You are a racist. It's okay.

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Vendzilla

When did you turn into such a piece of shit ?

When did learning the language being a priority to a person make them a racist you ignorant piece of shit. you fucking liberals don't want to debate, you just want to call people names then get butt hurt when you are proven wrong and deny it. I wasn't talking about your inbred relatives,I was talking about the fact and I mean fact that if you can't communicate, then diversity isn't there. You have gone total fucking loon!

Vendzilla

Not when people refuse to melt, then it's just a pile of something in a pot

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crockett

Sounds like you dont want to melt. You think everyone should be cast the same as you.. Melting pot goes both ways...New coming in are accepted not expected to conform to the exact same as everyone else.. Both groups melt and become stronger together by accepting each other..

It not called a mold with predefined castings...

DBS.US

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crockett

Quote from the video.... "So the project we are doing here is a 1/2 mile"


Congrats on your half mile of wall Red Hats...


exact time link so Red Hats can't say it's fake news...

https://youtu.be/aaihuiT24Vg?t=72

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So lets get it right. You are glad that no more money is being spent on strengthening the border. You are against Obama erected fences along the border. Do you want more more money spent on detecting and detaining Visa over stayers or not?

But you lie about the numbers.

As you can see Border Patrol would have to apprehend nearly 50% of illegal crossings to claim the top number of illegal immigrants is over stayers.

Lets now talk about quality and control. There is no control of the quality of people who can walk across an open border. They can be low skilled, not working, criminals, etc. On the other hand it's very easy to control the people who receive visas. Cost of a holiday, students, work visas are easy to control and raise the standards.

Building a wall isn't going to stop all illegal immigration, but it will stop some and the amount spent of illegal immigrants pales to what's needed to strengthen the border.

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Diversity is a Left wing liberal con to the degree of ultimate bullshit.

Am I right?

I invite all liberals to chip in here and tell me of one culture that has successfully integrated with another. Do not come up with single examples, it has to be the whole culture.

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There are very adequate laws that penalise employers for hiring illegal immigrants. The fines are so high they would easily fund ramping up ICE. But they're not imposed or don't fine to the max.

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Rochard

But they do learn our language. My grandmother worked her entire life working as waitress in a dinner. My step father ran his own business here in the US for forty years.

When immigrants come here, they don't speak English. English will be a second language for them. Eventually they will learn how to speak to English.

Again, thankfully people like you weren't around when my non English speaking family came over on a boat through Ellis Island.

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crockett

Let me explain this you Vendildo because smart people understood this since the 1700s...


We aren't after the 1st generation of immigrants. They are nessicary to get to the 2nd and 3rd generations.. Call it a "investment". The govt and everyone has known this for years, all except you right wingers..

The 1st generation of any immigrants unless they are very young will never really 100% fit in. That's very standard across all groups no mater what country they are from.. It's also very common for thev1st generation to not learn English, doesn't matter where they are from or what race, it's very common. What we are after is the kids they will learn, they will fit in.

Yes some older adults do fit in, but it's not always the case, specially if its a very diffrent or strict cultrue.

The kids want to fit in.. they want to make friends and when those kids aka the 2nd generation grow up they are 100% Americanized as so are their kids..

You are very short sighted and do not understand the long game. This is a common trait with consertive people you only see what makes you angry today, not what the benifit will be in the future...

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OneHungLo

Well if that's the best of the best oh fucking well. That's what we should strive for in this country.

THE BEST.

If that means every doctor on the floor is asian so be it. If that means every college professor is white and 70 yrs old so be it.

No one should be given a job or a place in school because of the color of their skin or gender.

OneHungLo

hahaha dude are you being serious? You're actually comparing Europeans immigrants that created and built this country to Mexican and Central Americans?

You just don't get it. I know you dumb libs are so used to the mantra being repeated over and over by your Democratic overlords, but diversity does not work.

Our ancestors that built this country were homogeneously white. It would have never worked if we were a big melting pot of races. Nothing would have gotten done.

Rochard

That is completely incorrect. I am getting very, very tired of repeating myself.

I am on record, here on GFY, as being for the wall. I would like it to from the Pacific coast in California to the Gulf Of Mexico in Texas. I would like it to be concrete, thirty feet tall, and manned every one hundred yards with snipers. I would like it backed up with Apache and Corbra helicopters.

But this will never happen. The world would never forgive us if we start shooting women and children on our border.

Again, if tRump came to us and said "We have identified twenty-four locations where there is high illeal immigration traffic and we need $2billion to build walls and other security measures, plus we will use 20% of this money to hire more border patrol agents" we would be all for it. But instead all we get is "I want to build a wall". JFC, tRUmp is the President of the United States - show us a plan we can approve instead of "I want money to do whatever I want".

Also... tRump told us hiring more Border Patrol agents would be a priority. In fact, he even signed an order to this effect. He gave a $297 million contract to a company called Accenture.... Who hired a grand total of 118 officers.

We obviously can't trust him at all, no less trust him with our money.

Your link also just proved you wrong. You are complaining about how no one wants to build a fence, yet showing us a link about how illegal immigrants come here by overstaying their visa or coming in through entry points.

By the way Paul......

You are a recent immigrant.

You are British, yet do not live in the UK. You aren't the solution, you are part of the problem.

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