electric cars

[Grapesoda]

seems like there is an issue with charging, takes 15-30 min. 1 guy with an 'electric station' charges $2.50 + $.02 per minute.... 30 min charge $8.50? I looked it up online, ev stations make no profit or if they do it's a very small profit 50% of the time.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nea...report/561026/


how do you figure this work for the future of electric cars and trucks? not only that electric cars take 1/2 the work force to manufacturer, less parts.... so 1/2 the auto industry will be out of work and no network of reliable charging.... going to be interesting that's for sure

[H-Tom]

Hydrogen is the future.

[pimpmaster9000]

Adapt or die...electric scooters are also booming...practical as fuck and cheap...

[CaptainHowdy]

I privilege natural movement . . .

[shake]

Most gas stations where I live sell gas at almost at cost, make a profit with the convenience stations and car washes etc. Since evs take longer to charge this idea should work even better.

[Rochard]

Power will be free, as well charging. My local grocery store has free charging. They get their power from solar, it costs them nothing, and it's free to their customers - it helps pull customers in.

[notinmybackyard]

Natural Gas is the way to go!

There's no spyware of the electric car and it's just as fast to fill up as gas and it's disgustingly cheap.

Plus you can convert any car into a natural gas car.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by H-Tom

Hydrogen is the future.

https://www.limnews.com/tech/2019-10...HyHYSqAKr.html

it will still take some time - but this really can be the future

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by StefanG

https://www.limnews.com/tech/2019-10...HyHYSqAKr.html

it will still take some time - but this really can be the future

I agree (or nuclear)

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Power will be free, as well charging. My local grocery store has free charging. They get their power from solar, it costs them nothing, and it's free to their customers - it helps pull customers in.

so if you drive across country you'll stop every 200 miles and go shopping? driving to LA from you're place you'll stop at grapevine and start looking for free power?

just curious, have you ever seen a line at a gas station?

thanks for the great tip on a national solution for an electric power grid for electric cars

[celandina]

Diesel is the way of the future for electric cars

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so if you drive across country you'll stop every 200 miles and go shopping? driving to LA from you're place you'll stop at grapevine and start looking for free power?

just curious, have you ever seen a line at a gas station?

thanks for the great tip on a national solution for an electric power grid for electric cars

driving across the country is a very dated way to travel for most these days. flights are cheap. Also, any innovation doesn't happen over night. infrastructure for new tech takes time. Do you believe gas stations just appeared across the nation in a few months when cars started being made? Do you think highways were a thing when cars first came around? how affordable and practical were gas powered cars at first?

Things get better and more practical with time and necessity.

[SekobA]

I still drive my diesel car.Can afford electric car

[desmoines]

propane cars are, sadly, less efficient than gasoline cars

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by desmoines

propane cars are, sadly, less efficient than gasoline cars

That's bullshit.

[Lexi BongaCash]

Agree. At first I was rather sceptical about electric scooters, but now really like them

[sadiedazzle]

I have two electric cars. One is a Volt, so it does use gas....sometimes. But it gets about 225 mpg with my type of driving. I am done with gasoline.

[Look Chang]

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy

I privilege natural movement . . .

Here you are ...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

Things get better and more practical with time and necessity.

you are one hell of a practical engineer, great system! BTW I do not fly, I would need to dive across country. I do not consider myself special. many would prefer to drive.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Look Chang

Here you are ...

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

That's bullshit.

Because a gallon of propane has 27% less energy than a gallon of gasoline, the fuel economy of propane vehicles is slightly lower. ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=mpg+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

seems like there is an issue with charging, takes 15-30 min. 1 guy with an 'electric station' charges $2.50 + $.02 per minute.... 30 min charge $8.50? I looked it up online, ev stations make no profit or if they do it's a very small profit 50% of the time.

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/nea...report/561026/


how do you figure this work for the future of electric cars and trucks? not only that electric cars take 1/2 the work force to manufacturer, less parts.... so 1/2 the auto industry will be out of work and no network of reliable charging.... going to be interesting that's for sure

you really want it to not work, because you are against progress...why not just admit it?

[sadiedazzle]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

you are one hell of a practical engineer, great system! BTW I do not fly, I would need to dive across country. I do not consider myself special. many would prefer to drive.

I can drive across the country. I just would have to use gas on the highway and electric in the city. Probably would only get about 125 mpg.

[fuzebox]

If everyone switched to an electric car tomorrow, the effect on the power grid would be apocalyptic.

[freecartoonporn]

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

Because a gallon of propane has 27% less energy than a gallon of gasoline, the fuel economy of propane vehicles is slightly lower. ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=mpg+...hrome&ie=UTF-8

I've got 2 CNG cars

I drive my Century (with a 305) literally everywhere there I've noticed absolutely ZERO change in millage and ZERO reduction in performance.

So it's bullshit.

[AmateurFlix]

Originally Posted by H-Tom

Hydrogen is the future.

This. But I do believe electric will probably grow considerably before hydrogen becomes more prominent. A shame really, people think they're doing something good switching to battery powered cars, but in point of fact they're ever so slightly worse for the environment when you consider the pollutants involved in manufacturing them vs. traditional cars. The batteries are problematic as well, as they're toxic and if they end up in a landfill, it poisons the water table.

Hydrogen will alleviate all of that and be more efficient, but there's been no significant investment in it.

[ruff]

In the future, we will have flying cars and we will fly over this shit.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by bronco67

you really want it to not work, because you are against progress...why not just admit it?

not sure why you spend so much energy being negative. interesting way to live, good luck with that

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I've got 2 CNG cars

I drive my Century (with a 305) literally everywhere there I've noticed absolutely ZERO change in millage and ZERO reduction in performance.

So it's bullshit.

CNG is NOT propane, just saying

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by sadiedazzle

I can drive across the country. I just would have to use gas on the highway and electric in the city. Probably would only get about 125 mpg.

not bad, I took a train once... not as much fun as I had hoped, BTW gonna be hard to run a tesla on gas while on the highway

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by freecartoonporn

ideally a cheap power source like small nuclear generators would allow us to use water in the car by separating out the hydrogen for power, with oxygen being the by product.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by AmateurFlix

This. But I do believe electric will probably grow considerably before hydrogen becomes more prominent. A shame really, people think they're doing something good switching to battery powered cars, but in point of fact they're ever so slightly worse for the environment when you consider the pollutants involved in manufacturing them vs. traditional cars. The batteries are problematic as well, as they're toxic and if they end up in a landfill, it poisons the water table.

Hydrogen will alleviate all of that and be more efficient, but there's been no significant investment in it.

not to mention foreign relationship issues. the exotic metals in battery's all come from 3rd world countries. and the new charging tech that's faster kills a battery after 60 cycles I just read.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

so if you drive across country you'll stop every 200 miles and go shopping? driving to LA from you're place you'll stop at grapevine and start looking for free power?

just curious, have you ever seen a line at a gas station?

thanks for the great tip on a national solution for an electric power grid for electric cars

The new gas stations will be charging stations. You park your car and go get something to eat, do some shopping. Tesla already has a charging station on the Grapevine at Tejon Ranch.

Anyone can see where this is going.... The only question is what will state governmetns do with the missing revenue?

[sadiedazzle]

You guys have it all wrong. I get it on a long journey, but on your day to day, you never hit a "gas station". At the end of the day, I just plug in my cars and watch tv...or work . Sometimes I don't even charge them. So...when I do, where I live and hydro electric, non polluting electricity costs me about 50 cents a day, and I sit in traffic in total relaxing silence. No oil changes (oops the volt every three years), no fluids. The brakes last forever cause you hardly ever use them. Oh yeah, and the total satisfaction of driving by gas stations and not caring is priceless.

[Helix]

Wood gas is another option, but odd.

[sadiedazzle]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I've got 2 CNG cars

I drive my Century (with a 305) literally everywhere there I've noticed absolutely ZERO change in millage and ZERO reduction in performance.

So it's bullshit.

https://youtu.be/ZQiTRQTiMGY

[baddog]

I cannot imagine trying to do the 4,000 mile road trip I just completed with an electric car.

[sadiedazzle]

Originally Posted by JFK2

I cannot imagine trying to do the 4,000 mile road trip I just completed with an electric car.

well, time moves on.
https://youtu.be/90WD_ats6eE

[BaldBastard]

My wife's father was a mechanic all his life, turns 90 this month! great guy living life to the max... for 90.

Anyways, pop the bonnet on a new car, and he wouldn't even know where to start, presuming he could work out how to pop the hood in the first place.

mechanics and the job as a mechanic is FAR evolved from what it was 50 years ago, and in another 50 years it will be the same.

It's not an industry that "will" change, its been perpetually changing for years.

[punk-asss]

30 minutes... long time to charge. I like how gas is so fast to fill up.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

CNG is NOT propane, just saying

I can run my cars on Nat Gas and propane. In fact I can get myself a gassifier and then use wood gas or even garbage to fuel up

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The new gas stations will be charging stations. You park your car and go get something to eat, do some shopping. Tesla already has a charging station on the Grapevine at Tejon Ranch.

Anyone can see where this is going.... The only question is what will state governmetns do with the missing revenue?

not everybody wants to sit around for 30 min while the car charges R, the gov will not miss any revenue.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by sadiedazzle

the total satisfaction of driving by gas stations and not caring is priceless.

after a few performance cars that burned a tank of gas every 2 days I look forward to that

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by JFK2

I cannot imagine trying to do the 4,000 mile road trip I just completed with an electric car.

fortunately rockhard has it figured out

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I can run my cars on Nat Gas and propane.

yes I can see where this make you an authority on the millage from propane to holler bullshit when told that propane has 27% less energy than gasoline

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

yes I can see where this make you an authority on the millage from propane to holler bullshit when told that propane has 27% less energy than gasoline

I'm absolutely Holier than you.. and 99% of the rest of the world.

Now I guarantee that you've never driven a car that can run on CNG and if you've never driven one then you obviously don't own one.

So you don't know fuck all about the subject.


The facts are that fill ups are cheap and if I buy a gassifier I can fill my tanks with gas made from garbage. Plus it's absolutely CLEAN exhaust.

[Grapesoda]

When you figure out CNG you'll understand it's not propane $.02

[2MuchMark]

Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

That's bullshit.

A gallon of propane has 27% less energy than a gallon of gasoline. https://afdc.energy.gov/vehicles/propane.html

Originally Posted by sadiedazzle

I have two electric cars. One is a Volt, so it does use gas....sometimes. But it gets about 225 mpg with my type of driving. I am done with gasoline.

Congrats!!

I've been driving a volt too since about 2014. My next car which I hope to get next spring will be fully electric. I'm done with Gasoline too and so is my spouse. She's eyeballing the Tesla Model 3 and I'm going to be so jealous if she buys one.

Originally Posted by fuzebox

If everyone switched to an electric car tomorrow, the effect on the power grid would be apocalyptic.

Maybe, but not everyone is adopting electric cars (nor is it always a good idea). Companies that provide electricity are preparing however which is why there is more sources of electricity now such as wind and solar than there was 10 years ago.

[MaDalton]

CNG = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_natural_gas

LPG (Propane) = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_petroleum_gas

one is compressed gas, the other is liquid, both are used for cars but not simultaneously

Volkswagen and a couple others sell CNG cars directly from factory, LPG is usually installed as a replacement for regular gasoline.

over here both are cheaper than gasoline and both have a better CO2 balance