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[TrashyContent]

So for many years (been doing websites since 2001 and shooting content since around 2005) we've dabbled with pay-sites and shooting content... and how we've seen things change, especially over the last few years...

Firstly, pay-sites... are they really a thing even more ? Now don't get me wrong I know there are some big networks that pretty much dominate... but smaller companies like ours ? Is it worth it ? I can give you an example... I went back over our records from 2001, we were making more money in 2001 with 4 websites, than we are today with over 50 websites...

Each year the monies earned decreased (yes it makes me want to cry)... We have had 3 big partnerships, with the belief that maybe we was just shit at the marketing side... but in fairness the partnerships have not worked out for us, including our current one !

Content, can't remember the last content we sold... yes it's been that long eek ! We don't try and sell a package a 1000 times for peanuts mind... try and keep it fairly unsaturated on the internet, mind you we're doing way too good job of that right now, by making no sales...

I believe the biggest change over the last few years however is the "talent" doing it for themselves, with girls now more interested in webcamming and putting their own content onto clip sites like Only Fans... so much so I wonder if modelling agencies, photographers, producers will be a thing of the past (Video killed the Radio Star)

Anyways to my question... We shot a bunch of content a while back, content for a JOI site, a Pantyhose site, a Restrained Teen site and a geek site... wondering what we should do with it, dump it onto clip sites, sell it off exclusively... or look for new partnerships ?!

Very interested in talking to anyone who believes they can increase our revenue streams... however to stop all the SPAM... we don't have any money lol. What we do have is a shit load (nearly 20 years worth) of content... and a bunch of domain names.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by TrashyContent

Anyways to my question... We shot a bunch of content a while back, content for a JOI site, a Pantyhose site, a Restrained Teen site and a geek site... wondering what we should do with it, dump it onto clip sites, sell it off exclusively... or look for new partnerships ?!

clip site or only fans type of site or patron type of thing. you need to understand the buyers, even photography is becoming a niche market with video being the prime revenue. consider boudoir and private sessions. even sexy GP content for girls to use on social media. if I had production equipment that's what I would do.

[Tubevideditor]

Clip sites for regular content can be a tough sell if you're not the actual chick. Tons of work for a little return especially if just regular 'teen' content.

Paysite, tons of work and lots of fees before trying to at least break even.
If a partnership hasn't worked the last 3 times, it prob won't again or your expectations are just to high. Its a very different time now than in 2001 that you mention.

Content selling is possibly the easiest for quick income although theres not too many buying these days and I guess you'll be disappointed with the offers you get so you either bite your lip and take the offer or just sit on it while it makes no $$, getting older and devaluing it even more as time goes on.
If some is 20 years old though, It won't be HD which will make it pretty much worthless unless very unique.

The biggest problem with most who shoot their own content is they have a personal attachment with it and always think its worth more than it actually is. There is nothing wrong in thinking that but you need to think with your head rather than heart.

Your statement about " the talent" doing it for themselves" is bang on though. The girls themselves hold the power now unlike producers/directors did in the past.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Clip sites for regular content can be a tough sell if you're not the actual chick.

anybody can be a chick on line

[Tubevideditor]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

anybody can be a chick on line

Very true but its the normal and even mundane things the chicks can do when out with a phone that give the customer more of an insight into her life. People like to see the whole lifestyle thing now - you can't do that with bought content and pretending to be her.

[Paul Markham]

Anyone can be a model. The problem is making enough money to keep the model interested and you in profit. Ifmodelsdoing their own thing was a great revenue stream some try to tell us, producers would latch onto models and work with them.

Yes anyone can shoot themselves with a phone but the problem is the product is shit.

Find some models who need work, shoot them in a style where it seems they are doing it themselves, that's not hard as I did it 30 years ago. Then sell it from sites like Only Fans and clip sites. Then see how good a revenue stream it is.

Also, shoot a load of promotion material for social media sites. You remain in charge of all promotion.

Try also to shoot content that is a little bit different to a girl on a sofa/bed. Find girls who will fuck a BF, GF and solo. Make it a glimpse into her life.

The odds are you'll have to pay the model upfront to keep her interested as a revenue split deal won't pay her enough. I suggest she gets the lion's share of the revenue. The other problem is finding a model who can converse to the camera in a genuine way that attracts customers.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Very true but its the normal and even mundane things the chicks can do when out with a phone that give the customer more of an insight into her life. People like to see the whole lifestyle thing now - you can't do that with bought content and pretending to be her.

Yes you can if you have the imagination.

The problem is doing it when the industry demands cheap content.

[trevesty]

I've not really looked at your content, so I'm speaking very generally here... but are you sure that the current market even likes what / how you shoot? Many shooters think they're special snowflakes and users are dumb / silly for not liking their content in my experience. That's a great way to lose money.

I don't know if that's you or not, but in most cases of struggle, it requires an honest look in the mirror.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by trevesty

I've not really looked at your content, so I'm speaking very generally here... but are you sure that the current market even likes what / how you shoot? Many shooters think they're special snowflakes and users are dumb / silly for not liking their content in my experience. That's a great way to lose money.

I don't know if that's you or not, but in most cases of struggle, it requires an honest look in the mirror.

One only needs to look at Pornhub and xhamster to see what consumers want. The problem is they mostly want free porn, not to be conned into buying something, not to get endlessly spammed, to get a wider variety than one shooter can create. All things superbly filled by Tubes and not supplied by every paysite.

Getting people to pay is a problem for everyone.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Tubevideditor

Very true but its the normal and even mundane things the chicks can do when out with a phone that give the customer more of an insight into her life. People like to see the whole lifestyle thing now - you can't do that with bought content and pretending to be her.

many models are using patron, selling simple phone stuff

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Anyone can be a model. The problem is making enough money to keep the model interested and you in profit. Ifmodelsdoing their own thing was a great revenue stream some try to tell us, producers would latch onto models and work with them.

Yes anyone can shoot themselves with a phone but the problem is the product is shit.

Find some models who need work, shoot them in a style where it seems they are doing it themselves, that's not hard as I did it 30 years ago. Then sell it from sites like Only Fans and clip sites. Then see how good a revenue stream it is.

Also, shoot a load of promotion material for social media sites. You remain in charge of all promotion.

Try also to shoot content that is a little bit different to a girl on a sofa/bed. Find girls who will fuck a BF, GF and solo. Make it a glimpse into her life.

The odds are you'll have to pay the model upfront to keep her interested as a revenue split deal won't pay her enough. I suggest she gets the lion's share of the revenue. The other problem is finding a model who can converse to the camera in a genuine way that attracts customers.

your stuff is out of date technically, small images and no 4K

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

your stuff is out of date technically, small images and no 4K

I would expect it to be out of date as we stopped shooting 11 years ago. It was shot and sold to magazines who paid up to 10 times what online were paying. So are you now going to blame me for not shooting what bad payers wanted?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

many models are using patron, selling simple phone stuff

True, but do you think it's a huge revenue stream that will support a pro shooter, decent camera, good lighting, imaginative settings, etc?

Because few online paysites can afford that. Show us your site to prove you know what's great.

[phil-flash]

Hey Steve,

I can sell anything. I can turn content from 2001 into gold. I am the master at dusting that stuff off.

My new homegrown codebase can run you a pass group of sites. A multi-model tour and members area with satellite solo tours.

I will say you have hindered some of your contents value with the overblown backgrounds, which is what I always told you. And here you are again looking for a way to monetize again. Listen to phil this time!!!

I have my Platinum Pass, Karen’s Dream Pass, Kari Sweets Sweet Pass, and potentially... your “British Invasion Pass”.

Don’t email me... call me. 850-585-0305.

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by TrashyContent

So for many years (been doing websites since 2001 and shooting content since around 2005) we've dabbled with pay-sites and shooting content... and how we've seen things change, especially over the last few years...

Firstly, pay-sites... are they really a thing even more ? Now don't get me wrong I know there are some big networks that pretty much dominate... but smaller companies like ours ? Is it worth it ? I can give you an example... I went back over our records from 2001, we were making more money in 2001 with 4 websites, than we are today with over 50 websites...

Each year the monies earned decreased (yes it makes me want to cry)... We have had 3 big partnerships, with the belief that maybe we was just shit at the marketing side... but in fairness the partnerships have not worked out for us, including our current one !

Content, can't remember the last content we sold... yes it's been that long eek ! We don't try and sell a package a 1000 times for peanuts mind... try and keep it fairly unsaturated on the internet, mind you we're doing way too good job of that right now, by making no sales...

I believe the biggest change over the last few years however is the "talent" doing it for themselves, with girls now more interested in webcamming and putting their own content onto clip sites like Only Fans... so much so I wonder if modelling agencies, photographers, producers will be a thing of the past (Video killed the Radio Star)

Anyways to my question... We shot a bunch of content a while back, content for a JOI site, a Pantyhose site, a Restrained Teen site and a geek site... wondering what we should do with it, dump it onto clip sites, sell it off exclusively... or look for new partnerships ?!

Very interested in talking to anyone who believes they can increase our revenue streams... however to stop all the SPAM... we don't have any money lol. What we do have is a shit load (nearly 20 years worth) of content... and a bunch of domain names.

personally, if you´re not going to see an increase of twice on income, don´t partnership, you´re running your company as you are and can either change or add on, no need to split

Do you still update older sites, a few of the sites that were making money and customers have lost interest in. Maybe this is why you´re gaining sites but not improving on much income.

Always wishing you the best Steve

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by trevesty

I've not really looked at your content, so I'm speaking very generally here... but are you sure that the current market even likes what / how you shoot? Many shooters think they're special snowflakes and users are dumb / silly for not liking their content in my experience. That's a great way to lose money.

I don't know if that's you or not, but in most cases of struggle, it requires an honest look in the mirror.

This is the problem. I was thinking about this just recently. Everything kind of has to work to be successful. Right design, right content, look etc. It's one of those things that when you see it, you know it.

I just saw a program owner complaining a webmaster wouldn't list his sites. So I took a look at the sites and just one look tells me that shit ain't gonna sell. You just can't shoot a bunch of content, throw it up online and expect to make sales. Everything has to come together...like peanut butter and jelly

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by phil-flash

Hey Steve,

I can sell anything. I can turn content from 2001 into gold. I am the master at dusting that stuff off.

My new homegrown codebase can run you a pass group of sites. A multi-model tour and members area with satellite solo tours.

I will say you have hindered some of your contents value with the overblown backgrounds, which is what I always told you. And here you are again looking for a way to monetize again. Listen to phil this time!!!

I have my Platinum Pass, Karen’s Dream Pass, Kari Sweets Sweet Pass, and potentially... your “British Invasion Pass”.

Don’t email me... call me. 850-585-0305.

Leaving your actual phone number on a porn webmaster board?
You must be from Florida. :D

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

personally, if you´re not going to see an increase of twice on income, don´t partnership, you´re running your company as you are and can either change or add on, no need to split

I learned the hard way that anyone promising to make you rich by partnering isn't being truthful. If they were that good they would be buying outright and not offering a rev split.

They operate on the basis of throw it at the wall and see if it sticks. Because their first reply when sales don't come in is "The content isn't right". So why did they promise so much before they tried it?

[wankawonk]

Any motivated, intelligent, attractive, entrepreneurial woman (who you derogatorily refer to as "talent" in quotes, where's the respect?) can make extremely engaging/monetizable content completely by themselves for almost no cost.

they're gonna out-compete you. it is what it is. Tech, social media, tubes, and cam/clip-sites ironically put the power back in the hands of the girls...and that's probably how it should be.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by OneHungLo

This is the problem. I was thinking about this just recently. Everything kind of has to work to be successful. Right design, right content, look etc. It's one of those things that when you see it, you know it.

I just saw a program owner complaining a webmaster wouldn't list his sites. So I took a look at the sites and just one look tells me that shit ain't gonna sell. You just can't shoot a bunch of content, throw it up online and expect to make sales. Everything has to come together...like peanut butter and jelly

Correct. Everything starts on set, but if you've got a decent product there that's consistent and cohesive, followed by a tour that matches (even picking the wrong color way can send conversion ratios down the shitter) and an inbound marketing strategy that matches your brand.

[trevesty]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

Any motivated, intelligent, attractive, entrepreneurial woman (who you derogatorily refer to as "talent" in quotes, where's the respect?) can make extremely engaging/monetizable content completely by themselves for almost no cost.

they're gonna out-compete you. it is what it is. Tech, social media, tubes, and cam/clip-sites ironically put the power back in the hands of the girls...and that's probably how it should be.

Also this. For the girls who are great, if you can't elevate THEIR brand, why should they bother with you?

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

Any motivated, intelligent, attractive, entrepreneurial woman (who you derogatorily refer to as "talent" in quotes, where's the respect?) can make extremely engaging/monetizable content completely by themselves for almost no cost.

they're gonna out-compete you. it is what it is. Tech, social media, tubes, and cam/clip-sites ironically put the power back in the hands of the girls...and that's probably how it should be.

Most girls won't want to handle that power. You will have the exception to the rule, but marketing one girl by yourself is hard.

The smartest thing for these girls to do at this point is to stop showing their pussy all over the place. Put up their own paysites, and then have you guys be the affiliates. If guys can't see your pussy, they WILL pay for it...even with all the free stuff out there.

That's exactly what I would do if I was 25 again. I'd make all you fuckers work for me.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by trevesty

(even picking the wrong color way can send conversion ratios down the shitter)

Yeah isn't that crazy? Background colors on a site are huge. I used to be obsessed with testing my tours and galleries back in the day, and next to a layout the background colors make a huge difference.

You know what you're talking about.

[MatureKing]

I think its easy. Try VR niche

[george MH]

Originally Posted by TrashyContent

Anyways to my question... We shot a bunch of content a while back, content for a JOI site, a Pantyhose site, a Restrained Teen site and a geek site... wondering what we should do with it, dump it onto clip sites, sell it off exclusively... or look for new partnerships ?!.

in general nowadays the most porn sites needs to increase paid offers, the most people ask for free porn.
with spreading out all kinds of porn sites that was not like that 10 years ago, and pushes towards finding an updated partnerships .. always.

george@traffdaq dot com

[wankawonk]

Originally Posted by MakeMeGrrrrowl

Most girls won't want to handle that power. You will have the exception to the rule, but marketing one girl by yourself is hard.

The girls don't need you or me or anyone else for marketing. The smart/attractive ones make fantastic money doing it completely by themselves.

That's the way it is in the social media era. Adapt or die.

First y'all hated tubes for giving away your content for free...now y'all hate the girls for monetizing their content on their own. Welcome to life.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by trevesty

Also this. For the girls who are great, if you can't elevate THEIR brand, why should they bother with you?

For the girls who are great, is the few. The problem with most models is few of them are great and most just want quick easy money. Asking them to spend a lot of time online promoting themselves, revealing who they are to everyone they know and performing sex acts isn't for every girl. As porn affiliates how many here are willing to put their real name online?

Once we decided models were open territory we reduced the model's pool by a huge chunk.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

The girls don't need you or me or anyone else for marketing. The smart/attractive ones make fantastic money doing it completely by themselves.

That's the way it is in the social media era. Adapt or die.

First y'all hated tubes for giving away your content for free...now y'all hate the girls for monetizing their content on their own. Welcome to life.

Solo girl content, two girl and boy-girl content shot with models who can perform for real, project their unique personality, tease a titillate the viewer while sharing their orgasms has been popular for 40 years. Because I was shooting it in the late 70s.

I had a catalogue of 100s of girls of such content and made a lot of money with it. The problem is most girls clam up in front of a camera or adopt a fake image. Being smart and attractive isn't enough, she has to be a bit slutty (for want of a better word). Because fucking the viewer is essential while she fucks herself or partners.

That's what the viewer wants, the fantasy that she would fuck him if he were there. I shot some average looking and intelligent girls back in the day who were winners because they wanted to be fucked and made it plain to everyone.

Is there a place for a site like that today?

Giving girls a platform to sell their work on is something few girls can manage. Shooting it properly is another problem most girls have. Getting the right atmosphere for the scene. Building different scenarios. Getting different partners.

The problem is revenue. Is there enough money in it to support such an operation? I suggest not because if there were solo girl sites would be making enough to support this type of operation.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by trevesty

I've not really looked at your content, so I'm speaking very generally here... but are you sure that the current market even likes what / how you shoot? Many shooters think they're special snowflakes and users are dumb / silly for not liking their content in my experience. That's a great way to lose money.

I don't know if that's you or not, but in most cases of struggle, it requires an honest look in the mirror.

Natalia Forrest

I have and it's clear why Steve isn't selling. He does have a good selection of girls, teens, attractive and knows how to evenly light them.

The problems are the same bed over and over again, the same type of sets just changing the girl and underwear was never enough. No video samples make me think his videos aren't that good whether they are or not it's what the viewer thinks that's important. Too much solo and softcore in a time when girls do lesbian why doesn't his site have any? Also, not one girl fucking a BF. This leads me to think Steve is the one with a problem not the girls.

[MakeMeGrrrrowl]

Originally Posted by wankawonk

The girls don't need you or me or anyone else for marketing. The smart/attractive ones make fantastic money doing it completely by themselves.

That's the way it is in the social media era. Adapt or die.

First y'all hated tubes for giving away your content for free...now y'all hate the girls for monetizing their content on their own. Welcome to life.

Is it really monetizing their content? Selling little clips, and snaps for 10-15 bucks? That's what MOST of them do. The 10% you are talking about, yep, they will do great. But they won't be giving it away like men (or ladies trying to make a quick buck) tend to do with our private parts.

But then there was this Naked Philanthropist who holy fuck is hot.

[Paul Markham]

For years Affiliates have told us their job requires skills and knowledge only they can do. Now we see the reality. It's mostly grunt work building galleries, then submitting them to TGP sites, blogging and submitting Tube clips to Tube sites. With tools to make the job easier.

The fact there were so many shows how skilful it is.

Now with social media, we can see the job is dead-easy and never deserved 50%+ with all the assistance provided.

The real skill is in getting the right content that makes an impact with the viewer and getting enough traffic to sell anything is a dumb way to look at the business.

[celandina]

We have ONE site, shoot ALL our content since 2006 and making essentially the same money. So I have NO clue what is everybody crying about ? However we have ONE KEY dictum we try to avoid " shit in, shit out"

[NatalieK]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

For years Affiliates have told us their job requires skills and knowledge only they can do. Now we see the reality. It's mostly grunt work building galleries, then submitting them to TGP sites, blogging and submitting Tube clips to Tube sites. With tools to make the job easier.

The fact there were so many shows how skilful it is.

Now with social media, we can see the job is dead-easy and never deserved 50%+ with all the assistance provided.

The real skill is in getting the right content that makes an impact with the viewer and getting enough traffic to sell anything is a dumb way to look at the business.

traffic is the key, when already you have the content...

a good king and a plentiful queen together, you have success

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by NatalieK

traffic is the key, when already you have the content...

a good king and a plentiful queen together, you have success

Not if you are Megan Markle and the redheaded Prince. :D

[movieguy]

Originally Posted by TrashyContent

Firstly, pay-sites... are they really a thing even more ? Now don't get me wrong I know there are some big networks that pretty much dominate... but smaller companies like ours ? Is it worth it ? I can give you an example... I went back over our records from 2001, we were making more money in 2001 with 4 websites, than we are today with over 50 websites...

I worked at BLACKED when it was a small company and one site. Or perhaps a better example: propertysex.com - an idea from a company smaller than yours, that is now consistently in the top 10 on all the tubes, and was featured in mainstream press without ever paying for PR or marketing. You dont need to be network or have a big reputation. Small companies can still succeed with paysites.

Originally Posted by TrashyContent

I believe the biggest change over the last few years however is the "talent" doing it for themselves, with girls now more interested in webcamming and putting their own content onto clip sites like Only Fans... so much so I wonder if modelling agencies, photographers, producers will be a thing of the past (Video killed the Radio Star)

A few girls who are big names like Riley Reid or Lexi Belle, and girls who cater to a niche, do well, but the vast majority try and fail. For girls, the best way to build the audience, is to do porn for a major brand like BLACKED or VIXEN, build the recognition, then move that over to their own channels.

However, much like with mainstream content creators, the girls have to consistently put out content. And even if they do, they may not succeed. For example, 1 out of 33 youtubers, generate enough views to earn a living. MTV didn't kill radio.

Originally Posted by TrashyContent

Anyways to my question... We shot a bunch of content a while back, content for a JOI site, a Pantyhose site, a Restrained Teen site and a geek site... wondering what we should do with it, dump it onto clip sites, sell it off exclusively... or look for new partnerships ?!

Do you know how to market the content? Is there an audience for that content? If you are not good at selling your own content, it's probably best to sell it off to a site or company that does.

If you have enough scenes of each niche, such as 50 for pantyhose and 50 for JOI, try making a pornhub premium channel. Title and keyword optimize towards the audience that is looking for that content, and upload a video per week. Pornhub premium is a great way to gauge audience interest, and make some money. Doesn't require any money or expertise to setup, and if you do earn enough from it, you could re-invest that into making a paysite and start moving customers up the value and remarketing ladder (for example, cross-sales, reactivations, longer memberships, added-value packages - these things are not available as marketing tools on someone else's platform)

[Paul Markham]

movieguy Today it's very different, you either have a great product, a unique twist on the reason people are fucking or loads of content. The days of 50 scenes that have nothing are over because Tubes expose strengths as well as weaknesses.

Most of Trashy's content is shot in a single bedroom on the same bed and the same poses. No idea what the videos are like as we can't see them.

[movieguy]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

movieguy Today it's very different, you either have a great product, a unique twist on the reason people are fucking or loads of content. The days of 50 scenes that have nothing are over because Tubes expose strengths as well as weaknesses.

Most of Trashy's content is shot in a single bedroom on the same bed and the same poses. No idea what the videos are like as we can't see them.

Which is why Trashy should throw up their content on the tubes and test it. Trashy has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by movieguy

Which is why Trashy should throw up their content on the tubes and test it. Trashy has nothing to lose and everything to gain.

If the videos were worth seeing they would feature on the site. He can try it, but don't expect any great results.

In today's market it's imperative you produce the product the customer wants.

[Jane-Busty.pl]

Patreon or onlyfans or whatever... Do You think women will take over this industry and will do big $$ on their own??? No, I don't think so. Women made $$ with their asses since the beginning of the human kind. Never on their own. Must be a reason.