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Klen · 09-05-2020, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I was in the music industry for over ten years and saw the same problems/complaints/realities that I see in Adult now.

When everything went digital and music could be shared online POOF everything changed. The music industry is now a shell of its' former glory. The same with the Adult business.

But guess what? There are still very successful people in the music biz, as there are in Hollywood, porn, mainstream television, etc. But NONE of these Industries were as big as they were in the 20th century. That's just plain truth and facts.

So now what? Give up and go home? Or do what all these Industries have done - change, survive and keep going with lowered expectations. Paul can wax poetic about the "glory days" all he wants, and continue his predictions of doom & gloom, but the everlasting truth is that while these Industries have shrunk - or really, been fragmented - they will continue. Who will be a part of it tho? Not Paul, and one day not me. But many others will still find money to be made online.

So far only industry which managed to resist digital online era is cinema industry.

Paul Markham · 09-05-2020, 01:39 AM

Let's put to rest the "You missed the boat" argument.

In around 1996 offline became aware of online porn. We looked at it and it held no lure for most of us. A few knew programmers who built a site and the returns were piss poor. I opened a site and made it to take credit card payments for videos I sold mail order. I started selling my images online to sites and brokers in 1996. No desire to open a site.

Prior to 2000 there was no shortage of great content producers, from Suze Randall level to my level and below me. We rarely sold content outright, we sold licenses. Private and companies like it paid $25,000 for outright. There was a dirth of content available for online license or sales.

The reason why so few made the switch was because the offers were often a joke or a con. Site owners would offer peanuts for content or go with the 50% profit share that turned out to be very little. Most or us avoided online because we saw 100s of failures for 1 great site.

A few of you are great at driving traffic in huge numbers. Does that carry through to sales and profit? Often no because the content of the site isn't good enough to first drive traffic, convert, retain and bring it back in 6 months for the updates. Creating content that drives, converts, retains and brings back members is a full time job. You can't go to an agent for 5 girls you shoot loads of content in a week of a level that will drive, convert, retain and bring it back. But 1,000s of you tried.

Because most of you didn't have the money, couldn't create a site that tempted any offline content producer. So you produced a dirth of garbage sites and told yourself that's what the surfer wants. While MetArt, Evil Angel, Private etc were making money.

We were already on a boat in 1st or 2nd class earning a good living. Most of the people you tempted couldn't get on our boat.

Paul Markham · 09-05-2020, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen

So far only industry which managed to resist digital online era is cinema industry.

How big would they be without people downloading for free?

Where would online be if it hadn't gone the route of over paying affiliates to create the perfect alternative to buying?

Klen · 09-05-2020, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How big would they be without people downloading for free?

Where would online be if it hadn't gone the route of over paying affiliates to create the perfect alternative to buying?

It affect it but considering some movies still manage to earn over 1 bil $, i suppose it's fine. And this isn't first time when cinema faced challenge - back then when TV was standard in each household, they said how cinema will go out of business because everyone now have cinema at home.

INever · 09-05-2020, 05:58 AM

When I first started and was told I'd need to provide 12 or 16 pictures to a gallery when my instinks said 4 or 6...I knew the business wouldn't be sustaining long terms.

There are alwaze exceptions.

celandina · 09-05-2020, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

How big would they be without people downloading for free?

Where would online be if it hadn't gone the route of over paying affiliates to create the perfect alternative to buying?

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Originally Posted by Klen

So far only industry which managed to resist digital online era is cinema industry.

yes indeed and maybe we should make ALL philharmonic orchestras, opera companies and other artists ONLY go digital,

So why would I like to see an opera here:

when I can see it from here:

... and yes, I have seen "Dunkirk", "Bohemian Rhapsody" "2012" and others in a proper cinema and also at home. NOT the same experience.

Paul Markham · 09-05-2020, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by INever

When I first started and was told I'd need to provide 12 or 16 pictures to a gallery when my instinks said 4 or 6...I knew the business wouldn't be sustaining long terms.

There are alwaze exceptions.

You need nothing but a link list to get people to your tour, then you need nothing but softcore. We made billions selling magazines in shrink wrap and videos with only the box to view.

Paying around 50% of turnover to building an alterantive to jerk off to was madness. The problem was telling people and being told you have no idea how to market online porn and you missed the boat.

The Porn Nerd · 09-05-2020, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Klen

So far only industry which managed to resist digital online era is cinema industry.

The pandemic may change this moving forward. Once people are used to NOT doing something it's hard to get them back up to speed in the future.

notinmybackyard · 09-05-2020, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

No it won't. Content always directed sales. Where are the tube sites with no content? No where, as I've pointed out driving traffic is being done by untrained, unskilled and lazy models if you'll believe what some tell you.

Technology doesn't direct sales
Content doesn't direct sales

Sales people direct sales.

Paul Markham · 09-06-2020, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

Technology doesn't direct sales
Content doesn't direct sales

Sales people direct sales.

It's a pity this industry has so few sales people. Or do you think building an alterantive to buying is selling?

notinmybackyard · 09-06-2020, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

It's a pity this industry has so few sales people. Or do you think building an alterantive to buying is selling?

I've never been a fan of sticking a product on a shelf/webpage and hoping that enough people see it that eventually someone will buy it.

So...
We employ 2 girls that sit on facebook hustling customers for us and we also employ a guy to come in and help us make cold calls.

Klen · 09-06-2020, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

The pandemic may change this moving forward. Once people are used to NOT doing something it's hard to get them back up to speed in the future.

Yes i see many changes in such direction. For example, office lease industry will be hit hard because corporations will realize how they don't need offices at all. For example, my neighbour is working last 6 months from home and his entire company as well.

Paul Markham · 09-06-2020, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard

I've never been a fan of sticking a product on a shelf/webpage and hoping that enough people see it that eventually someone will buy it.

So...
We employ 2 girls that sit on facebook hustling customers for us and we also employ a guy to come in and help us make cold calls.

Are they selling a porn related product?

Is it the way the majority of people in the porn industry work?

Is it the way the majority of porn consumers find their porn?

As I've said this is about how the industry develops, not individuals.

No industry dedicated so much of it's resources to destroying sales and swore blind it was doing the right thing. Even though stats and ratios proved them wrong. We went from 1-50 clicks to 1-500 as all online traffic increased. Now at 1-1,000s we see the truth even without counting actual vews to porn samples.

Traffic is and always was easy to get. Getting enough free traffic to view, react and buy the mediocre crap on offer was the problem. Companies reacted by upping the money and efforts to create a bigger free porn area and took the money from the reason people bought, the quality of the porn. And as long as that continues this industry will continue to shrink.

notinmybackyard · 09-06-2020, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Are they selling a porn related product?

We make and sell smut.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Is it the way the majority of people in the porn industry work?

The majority of people in the jizz biz copy each other and get stoned. Needless to say the majority of people in this industry don't make money.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Is it the way the majority of porn consumers find their porn?

Consumer or buyer?
Because if you're just talking about the consumer then the majority finds their porn on tube sites.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As I've said this is about how the industry develops, not individuals.

I make money as an individual so why should I care what everyone else does?

((Actually I do care what other people do so that I know what NOT to do))

09-05-2020, 01:39 AM	#102
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Let's put to rest the "You missed the boat" argument. In around 1996 offline became aware of online porn. We looked at it and it held no lure for most of us. A few knew programmers who built a site and the returns were piss poor. I opened a site and made it to take credit card payments for videos I sold mail order. I started selling my images online to sites and brokers in 1996. No desire to open a site. Prior to 2000 there was no shortage of great content producers, from Suze Randall level to my level and below me. We rarely sold content outright, we sold licenses. Private and companies like it paid $25,000 for outright. There was a dirth of content available for online license or sales. The reason why so few made the switch was because the offers were often a joke or a con. Site owners would offer peanuts for content or go with the 50% profit share that turned out to be very little. Most or us avoided online because we saw 100s of failures for 1 great site. A few of you are great at driving traffic in huge numbers. Does that carry through to sales and profit? Often no because the content of the site isn't good enough to first drive traffic, convert, retain and bring it back in 6 months for the updates. Creating content that drives, converts, retains and brings back members is a full time job. You can't go to an agent for 5 girls you shoot loads of content in a week of a level that will drive, convert, retain and bring it back. But 1,000s of you tried. Because most of you didn't have the money, couldn't create a site that tempted any offline content producer. So you produced a dirth of garbage sites and told yourself that's what the surfer wants. While MetArt, Evil Angel, Private etc were making money. We were already on a boat in 1st or 2nd class earning a good living. Most of the people you tempted couldn't get on our boat. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

09-05-2020, 05:58 AM	#105
INever Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: .......in a niche, in orbit...... Posts: 3,483	When I first started and was told I'd need to provide 12 or 16 pictures to a gallery when my instinks said 4 or 6...I knew the business wouldn't be sustaining long terms. There are alwaze exceptions. __________________ I love Camdough