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Paul Markham · 08-12-2020, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

There is an old American saying: If you are going to be the last buggy whip salesman in a world filled with automobiles then better to sell the best buggy whips in town.

There will always be a segment of any audience, adult or mainstream, that will never pay for anything. Some will pay for whatever, some will always look for a better deal, some buy out of convenience or impulse...there are many types of consumers to market to.

But of course you know this. These comments are for the non-wise among us.

Welcome Captain Obvious.

The question is about the size of the consuming public who are willing to fork out money and our ability to keep them happy. Is it growing, shrinking or stable? What are they consuming quality or hobled together sites produced on a tight budget or taking a % of sales. Like OF.

Moving from being a blacksmith to changing tyres isn't answering the question about the industry. Already 1,000s have left the industry completely and it continues on a daily basis as sites no longer pay, no longer convert enough to pay, etc.

The notion that it's only content providers who have suffered is nonsense. This is one of how many boards left inthe industry, where have all the posters gone? Site owners, Affiliates, Designers, processors, etc have all gone.

celandina · 08-12-2020, 09:48 AM

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The thread is about the industry not any individual. The few recorded porn paysites that survive will be the owners of a truly exclusive product and the tube owning mega sites. Like Brazzers. Check out the free alternative for the top sites. They're losing millions a day to free loaders.

I am doing just fine and am NOT Brazzers or any such " volume cruncher and recycler"

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VR + Robots

Paul Markham · 08-13-2020, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

I am doing just fine and am NOT Brazzers or any such " volume cruncher and recycler"

Are you making as much from your site as you did 10 years ago? Be honest.

Most people in the recorded porn end of the business, the largest part of the consumption, will say no. There comes a point when the production of new exceeds the profits so that gets cut, next are the affiliates support, next affiliate pages, then the site runs on recycled.

With girls working from home on web cam the same is happening to the foriegn studio girls. Because the client is going for the girls speaking in his langauge and with the majority of our business based in America and English speaking they prefer that market. Girls promoting themselves don't need affiliates, designers or even a huge website. Once they learn to do everything themselves and take 100% of the money paid. It will grow and OF shows how easy it is to set up. The problem for sites like OF, Chattbaite, etc is what can they provide to warrant their slice of a girls work?

celandina · 08-13-2020, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Are you making as much from your site as you did 10 years ago? Be honest.

Most people in the recorded porn end of the business, the largest part of the consumption, will say no. There comes a point when the production of new exceeds the profits so that gets cut, next are the affiliates support, next affiliate pages, then the site runs on recycled.

With girls working from home on web cam the same is happening to the foriegn studio girls. Because the client is going for the girls speaking in his langauge and with the majority of our business based in America and English speaking they prefer that market. Girls promoting themselves don't need affiliates, designers or even a huge website. Once they learn to do everything themselves and take 100% of the money paid. It will grow and OF shows how easy it is to set up. The problem for sites like OF, Chattbaite, etc is what can they provide to warrant their slice of a girls work?

I am making more, because I have more original movies. I have about 2,000 loyal clients who do NOT go to pirates ever. They come back every time. Also, I have repeated models over and over because we treat and "baby them" like movie stars and do NOT pay them by scenes ( I also run a mainstream production business, so I know what makes them happy). You maybe confusing a cheap porn shoot with classy glamour movie with story, shot in our own 50,000,000 sq ft 4 stage film studio and full post-production. The clientele is also much different. Generally not a subject to economic stresses.

Paul Markham · 08-15-2020, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

I am making more, because I have more original movies. I have about 2,000 loyal clients who do NOT go to pirates ever. They come back every time. Also, I have repeated models over and over because we treat and "baby them" like movie stars and do NOT pay them by scenes ( I also run a mainstream production business, so I know what makes them happy). You maybe confusing a cheap porn shoot with classy glamour movie with story, shot in our own 50,000,000 sq ft 4 stage film studio and full post-production. The clientele is also much different. Generally not a subject to economic stresses.

Then you will be oneof the few survivors. What do you think will happen to the rest of the industry?

celandina · 08-15-2020, 06:55 AM

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Then you will be oneof the few survivors. What do you think will happen to the rest of the industry?

Porn as ever will stay. I also believe that it will be all about fresh new content. All of the re-cyclers, tube hacks and thieves, got three things wrong:

1) Customers are stupid.
2) Nobody wants to pay for quality.
3) Affiliates are great

Hence you see the same crap over and over everywhere and they all live from clicks usually accidental clicks where customers are looking for something new. Soon, every Botoxed and tattooed camwhore will look like another camwhore. As the clicks decrease the answer of these hacks is simple " get more tubes, steal more content". So you see even here people with 100 + sites, diluting other hacks of their clicks. Sooner or later these "click counters" will NOT get the clicks and the add servers will stop serving and the affiliate paymasters will go one after another out of business. You can just look at my posts with Queen's " Another Bites the Dust". There is almost one/per week not paying or going out of business.

In short ALL of the " recycling click scams" sooner or later will run out of steam ( lets hope that it is sooner) and we'll get back to normal. Making and selling content. The analogy between mainstream media and porn is palpable. Yes, you can watch " MASH" many times over BUT if nothing new is created recycling MASH will NOT make anybody rich and will turn people off who will then look elsewhere for entertainment.

Look Chang · 08-15-2020, 11:38 PM

There's so many free porn everywhere than ...

Paul Markham · 08-16-2020, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Porn as ever will stay. I also believe that it will be all about fresh new content. All of the re-cyclers, tube hacks and thieves, got three things wrong:

1) Customers are stupid.
2) Nobody wants to pay for quality.
3) Affiliates are great

Hence you see the same crap over and over everywhere and they all live from clicks usually accidental clicks where customers are looking for something new. Soon, every Botoxed and tattooed camwhore will look like another camwhore. As the clicks decrease the answer of these hacks is simple " get more tubes, steal more content". So you see even here people with 100 + sites, diluting other hacks of their clicks. Sooner or later these "click counters" will NOT get the clicks and the add servers will stop serving and the affiliate paymasters will go one after another out of business. You can just look at my posts with Queen's " Another Bites the Dust". There is almost one/per week not paying or going out of business.

In short ALL of the " recycling click scams" sooner or later will run out of steam ( lets hope that it is sooner) and we'll get back to normal. Making and selling content. The analogy between mainstream media and porn is palpable. Yes, you can watch " MASH" many times over BUT if nothing new is created recycling MASH will NOT make anybody rich and will turn people off who will then look elsewhere for entertainment.

There are fundemental problem with your synopsis.

1. The skills set to produce the top level of porn and keep it fresh.
2. The money required to shoot such porn.
3. The return on investment.

We've seen the bottom of the barrel slip and fail over the last ten years. Most have gone to the wall or on their way to it. A few still make some money by deals with companies that offer 50-100s of sites for $30 a month memberships.

Next will be the fall of the middle rank, finally only a very few will be left.

Remember I'm talking 5-10 years.

The other problem with your synopsis is I was around when there was no ceiling on porn as far as budgets were concerned. Hustler, Private, Playboy, etc were able to spend what ever was needed to produce a product that blew away the opposition. People like Andrew Blake, Marc Dorcel, Jules Jordan, etc. Producing movies of this quality because spending $100,000 to $1,000,000 on a film was possible.

The problem is the consumer never wanted that level of porn except with a few niches and a few suppliers. If another company came into your market and produced a clone of your content, your membership would have 2 options to choose from. Imagine ten people producing clones of your content.

This is the ultimate problem with porn and the internet. Any fool can point a camera, open a site, drive traffic and it took a couple of years to flood the market. By 2000 the consumer was over supplied with porn the problem was finding producers who could produce a good product for what the market could afford. Today it's a real struggle, tomorrow it will get harder. Because 99.99% of the consumers can get off with what's offered today.

To survive we need something to throttle supply like "shelf space".

CurrentlySober · 08-17-2020, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The other problem with your synopsis is I was around when there was no ceiling on porn as far as budgets were concerned. Hustler, Private, Playboy, etc were able to spend what ever was needed to produce a product that blew away the opposition. People like Andrew Blake, Marc Dorcel, Jules Jordan, etc. Producing movies of this quality because spending $100,000 to $1,000,000 on a film was possible.

And all of the movies you list, contain a link to watch them for free on a tube site!

Sure, they are 'old' but when people made them, you couldn't see them for free. So what would be the point in spending that kind of money today? It's still 'Possible' today. Just pointless.

Paul Markham · 08-17-2020, 04:45 AM

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And all of the movies you list, contain a link to watch them for free on a tube site!

Sure, they are 'old' but when people made them, you couldn't see them for free. So what would be the point in spending that kind of money today? It's still 'Possible' today. Just pointless.

I covered that in this thread https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...rket-size.html

Just change mousetraps to porn.

celandina · 08-17-2020, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There are fundemental problem with your synopsis.

1. The skills set to produce the top level of porn and keep it fresh.
2. The money required to shoot such porn.
3. The return on investment.

We've seen the bottom of the barrel slip and fail over the last ten years. Most have gone to the wall or on their way to it. A few still make some money by deals with companies that offer 50-100s of sites for $30 a month memberships.

Next will be the fall of the middle rank, finally only a very few will be left.

Remember I'm talking 5-10 years.

The other problem with your synopsis is I was around when there was no ceiling on porn as far as budgets were concerned. Hustler, Private, Playboy, etc were able to spend what ever was needed to produce a product that blew away the opposition. People like Andrew Blake, Marc Dorcel, Jules Jordan, etc. Producing movies of this quality because spending $100,000 to $1,000,000 on a film was possible.

The problem is the consumer never wanted that level of porn except with a few niches and a few suppliers. If another company came into your market and produced a clone of your content, your membership would have 2 options to choose from. Imagine ten people producing clones of your content.

This is the ultimate problem with porn and the internet. Any fool can point a camera, open a site, drive traffic and it took a couple of years to flood the market. By 2000 the consumer was over supplied with porn the problem was finding producers who could produce a good product for what the market could afford. Today it's a real struggle, tomorrow it will get harder. Because 99.99% of the consumers can get off with what's offered today.

To survive we need something to throttle supply like "shelf space".

I beg to disagree with you. You are comparing shit to gold. When shoe salesmen are making adult entertainment, then this is what you get... shit. Anyway, I am not debating this any more, it is like discussing Covid 19 and wearing a mask

celandina · 08-17-2020, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

And all of the movies you list, contain a link to watch them for free on a tube site!

Sure, they are 'old' but when people made them, you couldn't see them for free. So what would be the point in spending that kind of money today? It's still 'Possible' today. Just pointless.

Paul is trying to "suck and blow" at the same time. I remember his " content is a king days"...with which I have wholeheartedly agreed with, now he is just another volume dealer

Paul Markham · 08-17-2020, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

Paul is trying to "suck and blow" at the same time. I remember his " content is a king days"...with which I have wholeheartedly agreed with, now he is just another volume dealer

Content is king, because the sites with the most content on get the most traffic.

Paul Markham · 08-17-2020, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by celandina

I beg to disagree with you. You are comparing shit to gold. When shoe salesmen are making adult entertainment, then this is what you get... shit. Anyway, I am not debating this any more, it is like discussing Covid 19 and wearing a mask

Do you do nothingbut produce porn from your 50,000,000 sq ft 4 stage film studio and full post-production premisesor does it do other things?

How many scenes do you produce a year?

Do the models and crew do nothing else but produce the porn you sell?

You assume the whole industry can work based on your model. It never could or will. You're in small niche producing a few great quality scenes and all power to you. Just don't kid yourself or us that it suits the entire industry.

CurrentlySober · 08-17-2020, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I covered that in this thread https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-b...rket-size.html

Just change mousetraps to porn.

Not the same - Using mousetraps as porn per your example:

You want to be the only person producing porn, therefore the only person people can get porn from, and you want to charge what you like for it. Well OK, nice fantasy...

You also don't want anyone else to produce any porn other than yours, and complain when they do so that it isn't as good as yours is, and not shot the correct way like yours is etc.

Actually, that's not so much an analogy, as a brief synopsis of your time on GFY...

The Porn Nerd · 08-17-2020, 08:07 AM

Paul is obsessed with how much money people make NOW vs. how much those same people (or people like them) made 10-20 years ago. I'm sorry Paul but where is it written that a company (or Industry) must have never ending growth?

Markets breathe. They expand, grow and shrink. As discussed many, many times before the REVENUE in the "adult industry" has grown 100x since 10 years ago. It's just not going to Paul Markham-like paysites. Therefore, according to Paul with his myopic view of life, the Industry is shrinking.

In other words, more money is being generated online NOW then it was 10-20 years ago. The money however is going directly to models (the horror!), big companies and those of us clever enough to figure out how to market in these crazy changing times.

Paul Markham · 08-18-2020, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Paul is obsessed with how much money people make NOW vs. how much those same people (or people like them) made 10-20 years ago. I'm sorry Paul but where is it written that a company (or Industry) must have never ending growth?

Markets breathe. They expand, grow and shrink. As discussed many, many times before the REVENUE in the "adult industry" has grown 100x since 10 years ago. It's just not going to Paul Markham-like paysites. Therefore, according to Paul with his myopic view of life, the Industry is shrinking.

In other words, more money is being generated online NOW then it was 10-20 years ago. The money however is going directly to models (the horror!), big companies and those of us clever enough to figure out how to market in these crazy changing times.

I would be happy if the revenue was the same as 10-20 years ago. Sadly it's shrinking revenue wise. Even the large sites are suffering because of the endless flow towards Tubes as they cut back on costs.

The number of programs not paying prove the state of the industry, the number of affiliates around. The numbers consuming their porn for free prove you're wrong, 20 years ago would mean 2000, well in 2000 if you wanted to jerk off to porn you had to buy it or put up with some random images or a borrowed video or magazine.

You claim models are making the money, prove it. Just because some are able to earn a living without using affiliates and other people's sites doesn't mean there is more money in the business. They mostly produce a very limited form of porn, camera on a tripod, solo girl or couple perform.

As for your claim of being able to figure out how to market your sites, no marketing tricks get past the the level of content offered. It has to really appeal to the consumer to back up marketing, as celandina says stop assuming the consumer fooled by your marketing. He see samples and decides on the quality of those samples whether he wants to spend money. This applies to all porn, models working on their own, paysites, Cams etc.

INever · 08-18-2020, 04:53 AM

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Where will it be in 5 or 10 years time?

So we are left with Live Cam for those who prefer to pay a lot to jerkoff to their favorite model. With the advent of models being able to promote themselves then cam from home this market will move increasingling towards girls doing their own thing. Especially in the English speaking mark

Dating to me is a mainstream product and will continue to grow. With 14 year olds knowing what "Swipe Right" means the future is bleak for affiliates.

So will advertising be enough to pay for the running costs of a tube? This is the interesting part of the future???

Interactive Brands owns all those swipe right companies. Top shareholders and board members currently offshore in their yachts.

If they're doing anything, they're chatting with the card companies to make sure those camgirls can never get paid directly without a middleman.

Paul Markham · 08-18-2020, 05:25 AM

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Interactive Brands owns all those swipe right companies. Top shareholders and board members currently offshore in their yachts.

If they're doing anything, they're chatting with the card companies to make sure those camgirls can never get paid directly without a middleman.

Swipe Right means the dating app companies like Tinder and Grindr.

No one can stop girls going independent while Paypal, Paxum, Bitcoin etc exist. A girl workingmfor herself makes 90% of the income a girl in a studio makes 20% and competes with 1,000s of other girls in a studio.

To survive long term the "studio" side of the industry has to reprioritise and give the independent models a bigger cut. Throwing traffic at a model is no longer the great option it was.

yuu.design · 08-18-2020, 06:04 AM

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Tell us what quality paysites you're refering to and I will post a Torrent and Tubes link to their content.

Porn was gutted by giving it away for free.

Yes, that's the point YOU will be able to find the torrent links or the free tubes.

Keep in mind there are people that don't know shit about that and don't want to spend hours and hours finding the free way to get it.

The one that want to spend time looking for something free instead of looking to save time spending money is the one that it's the right client

celandina · 08-18-2020, 07:16 AM

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Do you do nothingbut produce porn from your 50,000,000 sq ft 4 stage film studio and full post-production premisesor does it do other things?

How many scenes do you produce a year?

Do the models and crew do nothing else but produce the porn you sell?

You assume the whole industry can work based on your model. It never could or will. You're in small niche producing a few great quality scenes and all power to you. Just don't kid yourself or us that it suits the entire industry.

Most of our business is mainstream TV and movies, our adult is just a sideline ( but fun

especially since there are girls only, NO boys) . Also you have added 000 to the studio size

We do NOT produce scenes, we make feature length erotic movies ( used to be called "erotic thrillers"). We make maybe 3 to 4 per year.

Paul Markham · 08-19-2020, 04:41 AM

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Most of our business is mainstream TV and movies, our adult is just a sideline ( but fun

especially since there are girls only, NO boys) . Also you have added 000 to the studio size

We do NOT produce scenes, we make feature length erotic movies ( used to be called "erotic thrillers"). We make maybe 3 to 4 per year.

Then your porn business model can't be used as a template for the industies,or part of it, survival. Even top companiesare suffering because of the ease of getting porn for free.

Paul Markham · 08-19-2020, 04:42 AM

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Yes, that's the point YOU will be able to find the torrent links or the free tubes.

Keep in mind there are people that don't know shit about that and don't want to spend hours and hours finding the free way to get it.

The one that want to spend time looking for something free instead of looking to save time spending money is the one that it's the right client

It's so easy to download from a Torrent or watch porn on a Tube 99.99% of our consumers new do it.

celandina · 08-19-2020, 07:12 AM

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Then your porn business model can't be used as a template for the industies,or part of it, survival. Even top companiesare suffering because of the ease of getting porn for free.

Our mainstream business and adult business are completely separate. If the adult stuff did NOT pay for itself and did NOT made profit, it would NEVER be funded. But I do NOT want to argue... so OK, if you think so

Roald · 08-19-2020, 10:10 AM

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It would help if people came clean and told us how they earn a living today.

100% in paid for porn.

Note, had to double check the date as I figured someone bumped this from 10 years ago

Paul Markham · 08-20-2020, 01:07 AM

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Our mainstream business and adult business are completely separate. If the adult stuff did NOT pay for itself and did NOT made profit, it would NEVER be funded. But I do NOT want to argue... so OK, if you think so

I'm not saying you don't earn a profit from your sites. I'm saying your model can't be used as an exampleof the state of the industry.

Paul Markham · 08-20-2020, 01:09 AM

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100% in paid for porn.

Note, had to double check the date as I figured someone bumped this from 10 years ago

That's good for you. Are there as many today who can claim the same as there was 10years ago?

This isn't a thread about the individuals earning from online porn, it's about the industry and it's future.

Roald · 08-20-2020, 01:19 AM

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This isn't a thread about the individuals earning from online porn, it's about the industry and it's future.

Well I just answered your question Paul

About the future, only time will tell

Paul Markham · 09-04-2020, 03:56 AM

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Site like OnlyFans show how wrong you are.... Again

Why does OF prove how wrong I am?

Is it making the $billions recorded porn use to make?

Or is it the only way most girls can earn money doing porn?

Or is it a way a few girls earn well, some earn a living and the rest earn very little.

The only thing OF proves is how easy it is to drive traffic. For years we've been told, mostly by affiliates, that driving traffic is hard, needs skills and intelligence. So how can models, who are lazy, stupid and unskilled drive enough traffic to get sales?

That is if you're not one of the thousands of affiliates who works from home throwing out free porn, competing for the same traffic and telling everyone it's hard, needs skills and intelligence.

Tubevideditor · 09-04-2020, 04:36 AM

The world has changed with covid and many are now (and will continue) working from home behind computers.
They may also have a little more cash due to not travelling daily and paying for fuel, public transport tickets and grabbing food and coffee at lunch times.
They also get much more time behind their screens which can only be a good thing for us.

Paying a monthly fee for things is now very common. Even the big company Pret a Manger have today announced to offer coffee on a monthly subscription model.
Yes, the money and ease of that money isn't what it used to be but since lockdowns, business has been booming.

Paul Markham · 09-04-2020, 05:02 AM

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The world has changed with covid and many are now (and will continue) working from home behind computers.
They may also have a little more cash due to not travelling daily and paying for fuel, public transport tickets and grabbing food and coffee at lunch times.
They also get much more time behind their screens which can only be a good thing for us.

Paying a monthly fee for things is now very common. Even the big company Pret a Manger have today announced to offer coffee on a monthly subscription model.
Yes, the money and ease of that money isn't what it used to be but since lockdowns, business has been booming.

So more people are spending time watching more free porn. And when the Covid crisis is over what happens then?

What about the people who have lost jobs, hours and wages. What about the downward trend of wages over the last 30 years for most people?

The business will continue to shrink in income and grow in traffic and people will still claim to never of had it so good.

Would Roald and others with his business method of buying up companies for a song and marketing as an add on to their network work in a healthy industry?

Roald · 09-04-2020, 05:26 AM

What is this thread about exactly? Cause you only seem to refer back to a booming industry you yourself missed the boat on (talking online here not mags).

The only question you keep repeating is what if... what if...

Guess what, this is reality. And there is still a future for us and many more in it. Not in the way it was but why does it matter so much? We are still able to make a pretty good living as do many others.

Paul Markham · 09-04-2020, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Roald

What is this thread about exactly? Cause you only seem to refer back to a booming industry you yourself missed the boat on (talking online here not mags).

The only question you keep repeating is what if... what if...

Guess what, this is reality. And there is still a future for us and many more in it. Not in the way it was but why does it matter so much? We are still able to make a pretty good living as do many others.

What booming industry? The one that for a few years made a lot of people some money?

Because all you did was take porn that made billions offline for a few to share the same wealth online to 10,000s of people by giving away enough porn that 1-100 clicks was a great ratio that often needed 1,000 views to get 100 clicks to 1 sale.

You kid yourself that going online was giving you access to millions who would never buy porn before. Bullshit. The biggest online porn markets were places that always had access to some sort of porn. Videos, Cable TV, Hotels, Soft and hardcore. Magazines, Phonesex, etc. Yiou just replaced the method of supply and fucked up giving 50% + to affiliates who did nothing but hand out free porn.

As for the numbers working in online porn they are decreasing by the day and the companies left are picking up the scraps. You couldn't buy up sites and content as cheap as you do in a booming market. So don't bullshit me with how well the business is and how you all got it right.

celandina · 09-04-2020, 06:32 AM

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Site like OnlyFans show how wrong you are.... Again

The "Myspace" of porn.

celandina · 09-04-2020, 06:36 AM

very few understand and get one fact :" Adult Entertainment is a business"

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A business is defined as an organization or enterprising entity engaged in commercial, industrial, or professional activities. ... The term "business" also refers to the organized efforts and activities of individuals to produce and sell goods and services for profit.

Paul Markham · 09-04-2020, 06:58 AM

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very few understand and get one fact :" Adult Entertainment is a business"

Very few realise how big offline porn was. Take all the Retail end of porn and think about the revenue it generated. It's not about how much money Private, Vivid, Evil Angel etc made it's about the millions of shops, phone companies, Cable companies, Mail order companies made often only in their location, with it being repeated over and over againworld wide.

Roald works for a company that made it's living selling the images we discarded to companies world wide. Photographers got print outs that were pages long of the different sales around the world. This is after photographers sold to magazines in the UK, US, Europe for a one off license of the same set. I did miss the boat, it was over crowded, no guarantee of a profit and was dedicated to giving away porn rather than selling it.

Because online started with the mindset that selling porn needed 1,000s to view to get a handful of sales. And the only way to get 1,000s of views was to give them free jerk off material.

And hope someone would buy!!!!!

Roald · 09-04-2020, 07:54 AM

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What booming industry? The one that for a few years made a lot of people some money?

Because all you did was take porn that made billions offline for a few to share the same wealth online to 10,000s of people by giving away enough porn that 1-100 clicks was a great ratio that often needed 1,000 views to get 100 clicks to 1 sale.

You kid yourself that going online was giving you access to millions who would never buy porn before. Bullshit. The biggest online porn markets were places that always had access to some sort of porn. Videos, Cable TV, Hotels, Soft and hardcore. Magazines, Phonesex, etc. Yiou just replaced the method of supply and fucked up giving 50% + to affiliates who did nothing but hand out free porn.

As for the numbers working in online porn they are decreasing by the day and the companies left are picking up the scraps. You couldn't buy up sites and content as cheap as you do in a booming market. So don't bullshit me with how well the business is and how you all got it right.

Exactly my point, thank you.

Unless I tell you we are doing terrible now you will not agree on anything I say anyways. That is ok, you have no idea how well we did or how well we do (or don't do for that matter) and I can not blame you for it since you are so out of the loop on this whole internet thing.

Business is going well for us. Could it been better if all porn was behind a pay wall? Sure thing, but it isn't.

Carry on

Roald · 09-04-2020, 07:59 AM

Dammit, can't believe how Paul dragged me into this again

Paul Markham · 09-04-2020, 08:30 AM

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Business is going well for us. Could it been better if all porn was behind a pay wall? Sure thing, but it isn't.

Exactly my point, thank you.

So why isn't more, and in the beginning everything, or nearly everything, behind a pay wall?

Why was the industry from the beginning hell bent of building an enormous wall of free porn and paying the largest part of it's turnover to do so?

Is it hard to sell porn? Shouldn't be unless there's a free option.

Were there enough porn content providers to approach to create sites with. No we had a thriving video, image and phone sex industry offline who would switch to online if paid enough. And there's the problem none of you had any money to tempt the producersto make a switch. The only deals we were offered were derisory or "partnerships" that turned out to be bullshit.

Most who could open a site did so and put some cheap porn in it and threw as much traffic as possible. Free traffic because at the conversion ratios they couldn't go the easy route and buy regular banners or TGP spots.

As you say I don't know how much you make, but your convinced you know I missed the boat. Do you know how much I made? Did everyone who opened a site make their fortune? Would you have made more money teaming up with a content creator and proving there was more money for him online?

Seems you missed the boat, all you needed was a great content provider and proof you could make him more money online or pay him more.

The Porn Nerd · 09-04-2020, 10:06 AM

I was in the music industry for over ten years and saw the same problems/complaints/realities that I see in Adult now.

When everything went digital and music could be shared online POOF everything changed. The music industry is now a shell of its' former glory. The same with the Adult business.

But guess what? There are still very successful people in the music biz, as there are in Hollywood, porn, mainstream television, etc. But NONE of these Industries were as big as they were in the 20th century. That's just plain truth and facts.

So now what? Give up and go home? Or do what all these Industries have done - change, survive and keep going with lowered expectations. Paul can wax poetic about the "glory days" all he wants, and continue his predictions of doom & gloom, but the everlasting truth is that while these Industries have shrunk - or really, been fragmented - they will continue. Who will be a part of it tho? Not Paul, and one day not me. But many others will still find money to be made online.

Grapesoda · 09-04-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Where will it be in 5 or 10 years time?

Personally I see very few recorded porn companies surviving the move towards free porn. It fits the buyers needs to well plus it's free. Buyers are becoming more and more reluctant to sign up to a monthly subscription model for sites that offer one view of what is their favorite porn. Tubes and torrents offer a better selection and are free.

So we are left with Live Cam for those who prefer to pay a lot to jerkoff to their favorite model. With the advent of models being able to promote themselves then cam from home this market will move increasingling towards girls doing their own thing. Especially in the English speaking markets followed by German, French, etc. The lure of speaking to a girl in your own language and her replying far out weighs the alternative. Plus for the girl it eliminates so many taking a slice of her work.

A few models will makea good living with models based on the Onlyfans style of sites again promoting themselves and taking most of the income.

Dating to me is a mainstream product and will continue to grow. With 14 year olds knowing what "Swipe Right" means the future is bleak for affiliates.

So will advertising be enough to pay for the running costs of a tube? This is the interesting part of the future???

10 years no telling what platforms will be around. One thing we know is technology directs sales

baddog · 09-04-2020, 05:04 PM

Our brain implants will allow users to create what they want with their imaginations.

Grapesoda · 09-04-2020, 06:14 PM

Who's gonna get the money?

TheSenator · 09-04-2020, 07:05 PM

OnlyFans.com would gain about 15 to 20 percent with affiliates in revenue.

Locking out affiliates and referrals have led to a secondary market where people rip down all the models content and sell it.

A dude that I have contact with is pulling in about 300 to 400 a day with ripped OnlyFans content.

Paul Markham · 09-05-2020, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSenator

OnlyFans.com would gain about 15 to 20 percent with affiliates in revenue.

Locking out affiliates and referrals have led to a secondary market where people rip down all the models content and sell it.

A dude that I have contact with is pulling in about 300 to 400 a day with ripped OnlyFans content.

Where would the extra 15 to 20 percent come from?

People looking for OF or a girl on SEs maybe? Well they already get that traffic and once you open to affiliates they lose it to people who can get a higher placing. videos on Tubes maybe? A girl can submit all the videos she wants now if the Tube site will allow her.

Affiliates without content own no traffic and these girls and OF have shown us how easy it is to get traffic.

If affiliates get in, what's to stop people ripping off the girls content and making money from it?

Paul Markham · 09-05-2020, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

I was in the music industry for over ten years and saw the same problems/complaints/realities that I see in Adult now.

When everything went digital and music could be shared online POOF everything changed. The music industry is now a shell of its' former glory. The same with the Adult business.

But guess what? There are still very successful people in the music biz, as there are in Hollywood, porn, mainstream television, etc. But NONE of these Industries were as big as they were in the 20th century. That's just plain truth and facts.

So now what? Give up and go home? Or do what all these Industries have done - change, survive and keep going with lowered expectations. Paul can wax poetic about the "glory days" all he wants, and continue his predictions of doom & gloom, but the everlasting truth is that while these Industries have shrunk - or really, been fragmented - they will continue. Who will be a part of it tho? Not Paul, and one day not me. But many others will still find money to be made online.

Hitting the nail pn the head.

Whatever the technology there will always be a porn industry. Be it dominated with free sites selling clicks for cents on the dollar, a few picking up the remnants and a few great sites as it is now. People will still jerk off to porn and someone will get a living.

As the industry shrinks we've all witnessed 10,000s give up and turn their hand to other things. Be it a comfortable retirement, billionaires into other industries or flippin burgers.

Paul Markham · 09-05-2020, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda

10 years no telling what platforms will be around. One thing we know is technology directs sales

No it won't. Content always directed sales. Where are the tube sites with no content? No where, as I've pointed out driving traffic is being done by untrained, unskilled and lazy models if you'll believe what some tell you.

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