Business What's the future of our industry??

[Paul Markham]

Where will it be in 5 or 10 years time?

Personally I see very few recorded porn companies surviving the move towards free porn. It fits the buyers needs to well plus it's free. Buyers are becoming more and more reluctant to sign up to a monthly subscription model for sites that offer one view of what is their favorite porn. Tubes and torrents offer a better selection and are free.

So we are left with Live Cam for those who prefer to pay a lot to jerkoff to their favorite model. With the advent of models being able to promote themselves then cam from home this market will move increasingling towards girls doing their own thing. Especially in the English speaking markets followed by German, French, etc. The lure of speaking to a girl in your own language and her replying far out weighs the alternative. Plus for the girl it eliminates so many taking a slice of her work.

A few models will makea good living with models based on the Onlyfans style of sites again promoting themselves and taking most of the income.

Dating to me is a mainstream product and will continue to grow. With 14 year olds knowing what "Swipe Right" means the future is bleak for affiliates.

So will advertising be enough to pay for the running costs of a tube? This is the interesting part of the future???

[Ferus]

Site like OnlyFans show how wrong you are.... Again

[HappyTugger]

Okay. Umm. Are you posting from beyond the grave, sir?

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Site like OnlyFans show how wrong you are.... Again

Sites like OnlyFans show how sad and desperate guys are, willing to pay top dollar for a few pics of some bang average chick.

Every chick on twitter now promotes their OnlyFan page and you look at them like "really ??".


Strange times...

[CaptainHowdy]

Well, if it isn't Paul in it's Sunday best!

[MatureKing]

Market went down not first year. But you should know new wave is upcoming. Not industry is getting old but you.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Sites like OnlyFans show how sad and desperate guys are, willing to pay top dollar for a few pics of some bang average chick.

Every chick on twitter now promotes their OnlyFan page and you look at them like "really ??".


Strange times...

1 Just like 95% of all content from producers
2 Because the majority of models that looks good, dont have to whore themself out online. They are either smart enough to not have to, or have a partner that provides money and safety.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Site like OnlyFans show how wrong you are.... Again

Can sites like OnlyFans sustain the industry?

Prove to us you're right.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Can sites like OnlyFans sustain the industry?

Prove to us you're right.

The industry as in girls getting naked and guys paying cash to see them naked? Sure

The industry as in 3rd party guys paying them to take their pictures and then trying to sell those pictures to 3rd parties? Not so much.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Sites like OnlyFans show how sad and desperate guys are, willing to pay top dollar for a few pics of some bang average chick.

Every chick on twitter now promotes their OnlyFan page and you look at them like "really ??".


Strange times...

Very strange and sad.

People have to think long term. Can sites like Onlyfans produce the vast selection of porn to replace Tubes and torrents? That's the danger we face not a few girls earning a living.

How much can Ferus earn from Onlyfans?

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

Sites like OnlyFans show how sad and desperate guys are, willing to pay top dollar for a few pics of some bang average chick.

Every chick on twitter now promotes their OnlyFan page and you look at them like "really ??".


Strange times...

you - like many others in this industry - live under the wrong assumption that porn consumers always just want to see the most beautiful, flawless, big titted bombshells.

for decades porn had to be produced by professionals to get distributed and so the taste of a few determined how a whole industry looked like.

those times are over, everyone can shoot and sell their own stuff, consumers get to decide what and who they like and prefer.

Not you.

Because what you also don't understand with your superficiality: Personality sells - way better than just a pair of nice boobs. And on OF and other sites like that consumers have direct access to the girls and not just get to see 2 movies a year like in the times of Seka or the early days of Jenna Jameson.

You call consumers sad and desperate - I think you are just pissed that you lost your ways of making easy money.

And since you don't even understand all this, I'd say rightfully so.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

The industry as in girls getting naked and guys paying cash to see them naked? Sure

The industry as in 3rd party guys paying them to take their pictures and then trying to sell those pictures to 3rd parties? Not so much.

There will always be an industry as long as guys jerk off to porn. Can Onlyfans sites replace what we have now or 5, 10 years ago?

Without 3rd party guys means all the content producers, affiliates, site owners, designers, etc.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you - like many others in this industry - live under the wrong assumption that porn consumers always just want to see the most beautiful, flawless, big titted bombshells.

for decades porn had to be produced by professionals to get distributed and so the taste of a few determined how a whole industry looked like.

those times are over, everyone can shoot and sell their own stuff, consumers get to decide what and who they like and prefer.

Not you.

Because what you also don't understand with your superficiality: Personality sells - way better than just a pair of nice boobs. And on OF and other sites like that consumers have direct access to the girls and not just get to see 2 movies a year like in the times of Seka or the early days of Jenna Jameson.

You call consumers sad and desperate - I think you are just pissed that you lost your ways of making easy money.

And since you don't even understand all this, I'd say rightfully so.

You think demand and styles changed so dramatically and the market reacted. Wrong.

Everything comes down to the cost. You know what it costs to produce a porn scene like Hustler, Penthouse, etc. Today the cost of location, props, equipment, crew, models exceeds the amount most sites can afford.

This market wasn't forced down by changing demands, it was forced down by costs.

While 99.999% of porn consume don't have to pay for the porn they consume we're left kidding ourselves they want OF style porn as a first choice.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you - like many others in this industry - live under the wrong assumption that porn consumers always just want to see the most beautiful, flawless, big titted bombshells.

BINGO!

We film the ugliest, the weirdest looking, the insane freak, the junkie, etc.


The secret to this game is

1. Giving the consumer something they want to see ( but not necessarily jerk off to)
2. Make sure it's something they can't get anywhere else
3. Unique packaging and marketing.

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

There will always be an industry as long as guys jerk off to porn. Can Onlyfans sites replace what we have now or 5, 10 years ago?

Without 3rd party guys means all the content producers, affiliates, site owners, designers, etc.

I mean 3rd party as in guys like you and I. People who booked models, created content and then sold it on to 3rd parties. Be that magazines, VHS / DVD distributors or direct to the end user via a site.

So the affiliates, site owners, designers, etc will all still have a place, but our job is now obsolete as the models have the ability to film content (iPhones - No expensive cameras needed) and the way to sell it (OnlyFans) meaning the VHS / DVDs are obsolete along with the magazines.

I'm just talking reality. It was great well it lasted, but stuff hads moved on.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You think demand and styles changed so dramatically and the market reacted. Wrong.

.

no, i did not say that.

at all.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I mean 3rd party as in guys like you and I. People who booked models, created content and then sold it on to 3rd parties. Be that magazines, VHS / DVD distributors or direct to the end user via a site.

So the affiliates, site owners, designers, etc will all still have a place, but our job is now obsolete as the models have the ability to film content (iPhones - No expensive cameras needed) and the way to sell it (OnlyFans) meaning the VHS / DVDs are obsolete along with the magazines.

I'm just talking reality. It was great well it lasted, but stuff hads moved on.

yep - more or less agree - exceptions will always exist but in general this.

[BaldBastard]

user will direct their own porn, software generated 3d models, it will be so realistic you won't be able to tell the difference from real

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you - like many others in this industry - live under the wrong assumption that porn consumers always just want to see the most beautiful, flawless, big titted bombshells.

for decades porn had to be produced by professionals to get distributed and so the taste of a few determined how a whole industry looked like.

those times are over, everyone can shoot and sell their own stuff, consumers get to decide what and who they like and prefer.

Not you.

Because what you also don't understand with your superficiality: Personality sells - way better than just a pair of nice boobs. And on OF and other sites like that consumers have direct access to the girls and not just get to see 2 movies a year like in the times of Seka or the early days of Jenna Jameson.

You call consumers sad and desperate - I think you are just pissed that you lost your ways of making easy money.

And since you don't even understand all this, I'd say rightfully so.

I don't think anyone is making "easy money" anymore. But i am still doing absolutely fine but thanks for your concerns...

[celandina]

I guess Paul has changed his view. I thought he was " Content is King" kind of guy. Well, I still subscribe to that notion and am doing well

[Cameltoepro]

I have dipped into the onlyfans thing, by doing all the background work for a girl..What I am seeing now is there is so many girls jumping on the onlyfans bandwagon. That a lot just stop updating as they are not making any money. The marketing is still king with that platform. Its almost a full time job. With sfs on Instagram, twitter sfs, and updating. The one problem I see with onlyfans. Is most of the girls that have one. The surfer can't see any images of what the girl offers. So they join and then realize not what they wanted and can't get a refund. Some girls are now making their onlyfans free and upsale videos and images. So just like anything in this Bizz it takes a lot of work. Just my 2 cents

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by Cameltoepro

I have dipped into the onlyfans thing, by doing all the background work for a girl..What I am seeing now is there is so many girls jumping on the onlyfans bandwagon. That a lot just stop updating as they are not making any money. The marketing is still king with that platform. Its almost a full time job. With sfs on Instagram, twitter sfs, and updating. The one problem I see with onlyfans. Is most of the girls that have one. The surfer can't see any images of what the girl offers. So they join and then realize not what they wanted and can't get a refund. Some girls are now making their onlyfans free and upsale videos and images. So just like anything in this Bizz it takes a lot of work. Just my 2 cents

Excellent points. We porn Webmasters also need to understand - and anyone who has dealt directly with models (or females of any kind) know this - that a LOT of girls/models out there are spoiled lazy fucks. They get all the attention in the world IRL, they feel privelaged and entitled, and they want what ALL girls want: easy money.

My point is that OF and other "direct" platforms will always be limited by how motivated a performer is in the end. How good at marketing they are, how consistent they are with posting, how creative they are with their content, etc.

So there will always be a place for produced porn and actual websites. Remember too that OF and other social media mostly caters to incels and Millenials and that generation is notoriously cheap because they were raised on free, still live at home with parents and their earning potential moving forward is probably fucked. So market to the Boomers and Gen Xers who still have money and the decency to actually PAY for stuff.

[MatureKing]

[ianmoone332000]

Got to be honest and say that when i saw Onlyfans at first i thought it would flop. What i personally think has made it popular is that a lot of girls on it are just normal girls or even just models. Because they are not famous, you cant just type their name into google and find hundreds of videos of them fucking like you can a pornstar. For a majority of girls iv seen, the only way your getting to see them naked is paying a relatively low price for their Onlyfans access. Even the fact that the girl lives in the same area will make guys sign up imo. Someone will end up doing a Netflix style of Onlyfans so you get everything available and the girls adding content get a cut. You also see stories of girls claiming to be making thousands a day but im not sure if its bullshit or not.

[notinmybackyard]

Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Got to be honest and say that when i saw Onlyfans at first i thought it would flop. What i personally think has made it popular is that a lot of girls on it are just normal girls or even just models.

I'll disagree and say it's just the herd mentality of the Internet.

IE: Once it was Friendster.. Then it was Myspace.... Then later it was Facebook..... ETC.

In the end there really isn't all that much of a difference between the platforms... And the subscribers do exactly the same dumb ass things over and over again regardless of the platform.

It's like you have to change the packaging every so often and declare it "NEW AND IMPROVED" in order to catch the attention of the moronic consumer. The only differences are in their minds and we make money by telling them that they're right.

[ilnjscb]

Lot of them don't do nude either. This is mostly driven by TikTok. 95% of them go away but that's ok for OF. However, we should be glad because 1% of them will want more and will come to us.

[SBJ]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

you - like many others in this industry - live under the wrong assumption that porn consumers always just want to see the most beautiful, flawless, big titted bombshells.

I've seen it myself back when I ran ex gf websites that outsold all of my solo girl sites that I worked hard on learning photography.

Originally Posted by MrBaldBastard

user will direct their own porn, software generated 3d models, it will be so realistic you won't be able to tell the difference from real

This would be a game-changer if we could direct our fav pornstars into our own personal fetishes.

[slapass]

I was thinking the name stars have to be making more on onlyfans thanporn shoots. Not sure what the cut is but 60% of 19.99 times a thousand fans is better then continuing to do porn. They also upswell and do cams privately etc. They can make a bundle and never leave their house. Pornhub is now a channel for the girls onlyfans page. How long before they advertise right on there.

[ruff]

I will ask Zoltar what is the future of porn. I will then keep it to myself and become rich beyond belief. Then I will cobble together a half-assed affiliate program that's only updated when I fucking feel like it and pay you maybe.
It will be beautiful and many people have told me how beautiful it will be.

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd

Excellent points. We porn Webmasters also need to understand - and anyone who has dealt directly with models (or females of any kind) know this - that a LOT of girls/models out there are spoiled lazy fucks. They get all the attention in the world IRL, they feel privelaged and entitled, and they want what ALL girls want: easy money.

My point is that OF and other "direct" platforms will always be limited by how motivated a performer is in the end. How good at marketing they are, how consistent they are with posting, how creative they are with their content, etc.

So there will always be a place for produced porn and actual websites. Remember too that OF and other social media mostly caters to incels and Millenials and that generation is notoriously cheap because they were raised on free, still live at home with parents and their earning potential moving forward is probably fucked. So market to the Boomers and Gen Xers who still have money and the decency to actually PAY for stuff.

I suspect the small to mid-sized producer will make a comeback when OF retracts and guys move away from the platform.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I mean 3rd party as in guys like you and I. People who booked models, created content and then sold it on to 3rd parties. Be that magazines, VHS / DVD distributors or direct to the end user via a site.

So the affiliates, site owners, designers, etc will all still have a place, but our job is now obsolete as the models have the ability to film content (iPhones - No expensive cameras needed) and the way to sell it (OnlyFans) meaning the VHS / DVDs are obsolete along with the magazines.

I'm just talking reality. It was great well it lasted, but stuff hads moved on.

Tastes vary and what a girl can produce for herself is very limited. If the future of this industry is based on girls shooting themselves and having an OF site. Where do affiliates, site owners, designers, etc fit in?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by Cameltoepro

I have dipped into the onlyfans thing, by doing all the background work for a girl..What I am seeing now is there is so many girls jumping on the onlyfans bandwagon. That a lot just stop updating as they are not making any money. The marketing is still king with that platform. Its almost a full time job. With sfs on Instagram, twitter sfs, and updating. The one problem I see with onlyfans. Is most of the girls that have one. The surfer can't see any images of what the girl offers. So they join and then realize not what they wanted and can't get a refund. Some girls are now making their onlyfans free and upsale videos and images. So just like anything in this Bizz it takes a lot of work. Just my 2 cents

A few girls earn a 6 figure income from OF. They have a great product because no matter how much traffic they get they need to convince people to buy. They then work very hard at getting noticed. They have to show what they sell before the surfer hit OF.

The future is a better model of OF, surfers will stop going there if they're not happy.

[Paul Markham]

The indications for the future are clear to see.

We're now debating the futureof the porn industry based on girls shooting themselves and having an OF style site.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by celandina

I guess Paul has changed his view. I thought he was " Content is King" kind of guy. Well, I still subscribe to that notion and am doing well

Exactly, Content is King.

Because you have to provide the user with something he's willing to pay for year in and year out. Tubes and Torrents do that better than the paid options.

[FapDude]

The future of this industry is bright if you are on the right side of the money river.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Tastes vary and what a girl can produce for herself is very limited. If the future of this industry is based on girls shooting themselves and having an OF site. Where do affiliates, site owners, designers, etc fit in?

btw - this is like asking "where do blacksmiths fit in?" when the car was invented.

maybe they don't

maybe they learn how to exchange tires

but there are thousands of professions which do not exist anymore cause society moved past them

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Exactly, Content is King.

Because you have to provide the user with something he's willing to pay for year in and year out. Tubes and Torrents do that better than the paid options.

So, I should give my stuff to thieves and give up? No sireee

[patadeperro]

Livecams, onlyfans and all kind of customized interaction/content.

[yuu.design]

Free sites are not a competitor for pay sites with good quality and clean enviroment.

The one that want to make tons of clicks to finally get the download link is not the kind of person that buy a membership, so, porn industry is not losing a valuable customer in that case, IMO

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by FapDude

The future of this industry is bright if you are on the right side of the money river.

True, but that means there will only be a few left.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

btw - this is like asking "where do blacksmiths fit in?" when the car was invented.

maybe they don't

maybe they learn how to exchange tires

but there are thousands of professions which do not exist anymore cause society moved past them

Which I pointed out in my original post. It would help if people came clean and told us how they earn a living today. I'll wager few will say 100% in paid for porn.

The skill set to be a "blacksmith" is far more than "changing tyres".

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by yuu

Free sites are not a competitor for pay sites with good quality and clean enviroment.

The one that want to make tons of clicks to finally get the download link is not the kind of person that buy a membership, so, porn industry is not losing a valuable customer in that case, IMO

Tell us what quality paysites you're refering to and I will post a Torrent and Tubes link to their content.

Porn was gutted by giving it away for free.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Which I pointed out in my original post. It would help if people came clean and told us how they earn a living today. I'll wager few will say 100% in paid for porn.

The skill set to be a "blacksmith" is far more than "changing tyres".

well - since you were alive when they were still changing irons on horses regularly I am going to believe you on that

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by celandina

So, I should give my stuff to thieves and give up? No sireee

The thread is about the industry not any individual. The few recorded porn paysites that survive will be the owners of a truly exclusive product and the tube owning mega sites. Like Brazzers. Check out the free alternative for the top sites. They're losing millions a day to free loaders.

[Paul Markham]

Most have already moved on the few left aren't making what we made 5, 10, 20 years ago. As Stefan so wisely points out we're all becoming blacksmiths in an of the car. A few will survive and claim the indstry has never done better!!!

It's interesting to see what people think or know about OF. This I do know, "fool me once and it's shame on you, fool me twice and it's shame on you". In this market that eans goodbye I'll get my porn for free. So it's imperative OF keeps the buyers happy month after month.

With so many girls, so many videos and a limit to what a girl can shoot for herself they limit the selection. We've seen what happens when the consumer is drowned in a deluge of mediocre content. They prefer to keep their money in their pockets and go for the free options. This will effect the Live Cams market with solo girls promoting themselves winning agains the studio option. Because a girl working for herself can make so much more money therefprebe able to deliver a better product.

[MaDalton]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Most have already moved on the few left aren't making what we made 5, 10, 20 years ago. As Stefan so wisely points out we're all becoming blacksmiths in an of the car. A few will survive and claim the indstry has never done better!!!

thanks for calling me wise and also making my point.

a few blacksmiths still exist, many do have a monopoly in the area where they are located, and I am sure many of those make a good living.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

thanks for calling me wise and also making my point.

a few blacksmiths still exist, many do have a monopoly in the area where they are located, and I am sure many of those make a good living.

I know one blacksmith, he makes money by exhibiting on medieval fairs and selling products which he is making.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

thanks for calling me wise and also making my point.

a few blacksmiths still exist, many do have a monopoly in the area where they are located, and I am sure many of those make a good living.

There will always be porn and people making a living from porn, as I've said this isn't about the individuals. It's about the entire industry and the future.

As far as having a monopoly in anything online. You have to be so big others can't copy or don't want to bother to copy. The downfall of the industry started when any one could open a site.

[celandina]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Exactly, Content is King.

Because you have to provide the user with something he's willing to pay for year in and year out. Tubes and Torrents do that better than the paid options.

That is exactly what we do ( as you know )... and as to Torrents and Tubes ? We fight them daily !

[The Porn Nerd]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

thanks for calling me wise and also making my point.

a few blacksmiths still exist, many do have a monopoly in the area where they are located, and I am sure many of those make a good living.

There is an old American saying: If you are going to be the last buggy whip salesman in a world filled with automobiles then better to sell the best buggy whips in town.

There will always be a segment of any audience, adult or mainstream, that will never pay for anything. Some will pay for whatever, some will always look for a better deal, some buy out of convenience or impulse...there are many types of consumers to market to.

But of course you know this. These comments are for the non-wise among us.