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NatalieK · 11-16-2023, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DVTimes

I´m an idiot that doesn´t update his sites & continues to wreck threads...

What are you doing, can you stop playing stupid wanker!

50 stupid posts...

Clean page, maybe now we can talk about ModelCentro

DVTimes · 11-16-2023, 09:04 AM

just to show that when i say gary who is banned uses the account to get around his ban:

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

My fella used my account maybe a couple of times, once to continue business here at GFY, enjoying most peoples company, also to explain that his thread was nothing but a controversial thread, speaking about the age of porn, not displaying images of underage, as the thread did NOT contain anything but a legal photo displayed, a young 18 russian, looking more like 15, stating, is this girl even old enough.

DVTimes · 11-16-2023, 09:07 AM

again the freak admits to posting pics of models they believe look underage on a forum, i am only posting this as i was accused of telling lies.

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

This was not true Rob. My partner was banned after posting a controversial thread displaying a legit image of a European girl of age, who looked 16.

He continues to say this girl looks so young, is she even 18, should the age of porn be 20 or older, as a woman usually doesn't look so young by this age.

He should have never been banned

NatalieK · 11-16-2023, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

I know it wasn't the main question but :

If you sell directly to a EU consumer (B2C) you have to collect/charge VAT and then give it to the gov.

If you make a commission from a EU business (B2B) and that business is established in the same country as you, you have to collect/charge VAT and then give it to the gov.

If you make a commission from a EU business (B2B) and that business is NOT established in the same country as you, it is zero rated, you charge 0. The payer self accounts for the VAT in his country (reverse charge mechanism).

If you make a commission from a business outside the EU : it's out of scope, you don't charge VAT.

Income tax is a different one all together and it has to be paid on all income regardless.

so how would this work when MC use centrobilling, they sell to the customer, B2C, isn´t then to be paid from MC, B2B?

Although the site & content is the creator, this now making it B2C, as if it wasn´t for the creators footage, descriptions & site, then the transaction from the customer wouldn´t happen?

DVTimes · 11-16-2023, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

oh and watch your mouth... if you want a ban for lies!

he never did post underage, the thread was asking if the age of consent should be raised to above 18 as most or many 18 yr olds look like their 15 these days!

so i have posted evidence that you posted gary

1. you were banned
2. you posted content of somone you state looked 15 and have no evidence she was older and this is why you were banned

again you stated i lied so the only reason for these posts is to show i did not lie. that is the rules of this forum that if you make a claim and the person you make a claim against says you lied, then you have to provide evidence.

i have provided evidence as the gfy rules state.

have a good day folks

DVTimes · 11-16-2023, 09:34 AM

just one last bit where he admits posting it.

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

And btw, Gary could get his account back as it was only through bullshit he lost it anyway...

at no point did he post any underage image, his thread was absolute legal, just the photo wasn´t checked by Eric at the time, Eric just listened to Damien who said Gary had posted CP, it wasn´t, it was perfectly legal from a legitimate porn site.

It was a thread asking is the age of consent in porn too young & should it be raised to 21. There are so many 18 yr olds looking 16 and so forth, then adding an image of an 18 yr old that looked younger, saying this is wrong...

How he was banned is beyond me but because of you & Damien going on saying he had posted a picture of a girl younger, the mods 10 years ago listened to you and didn´t check to find out and banned him.

Eric said he can have his account back if he wants it, but we´re ok with this one...

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gary claims he can have his account back, so not sure why he does not

anyway, this is posted because gary stated i was telling lies

as i have stated gary admits to posting a pic of somone looking very underaged, and i have not seen him post evidence she was 18 as he now is claiming

anyway, now i think people understand why i want nothing to do with this freak

and gary has not explained how he can read my posts when he has said he has me on block. again if he lies about me being on block, one must question what other things he lies about

DVTimes · 11-16-2023, 09:40 AM

Now i see gary posts fake quotes in this thread.

https://gfy.com/23199474-post51.html

again gary shows us how he is dishonest.

this is a fake quote gary posted:

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Originally Posted by DVTimes View Post
I´m an idiot that doesn´t update his sites & continues to wreck threads...

thank you gary for providing proof of what we are dealing with

i notice you have not admited i was correct about the fhg;s

drexl · 11-16-2023, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

so how would this work when MC use centrobilling, they sell to the customer, B2C, isn´t then to be paid from MC, B2B?

Although the site & content is the creator, this now making it B2C, as if it wasn´t for the creators footage, descriptions & site, then the transaction from the customer wouldn´t happen?

It sounds to me that you're contracted to the company that operates MC. In this case that's B2B.

You are correct that MC and the customer is B2C, at this stage of the supply chain MC is the service provider but that shouldn't be relevant to your accounting.

An example of what I am saying is clearly stated in XLoveCash terms where it reads that the affiliate is the service provider and the sponsor is the business customer (B2B) : https://www.xlovecash.com/en/terms
Adult Force terms are also stating this and the invoices produced by these 2 and others reflect that as well, which makes sense : models and affiliates are contractors of the sponsor.

Having said that: the easiest and best way to be sure is to ask them to produce a self-billing invoice, this way there's no ambiguity.

NatalieK · 11-16-2023, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

It sounds to me that you're contracted to the company that operates MC. In this case that's B2B.

You are correct that MC and the customer is B2C, at this stage of the supply chain MC is the service provider but that shouldn't be relevant to your accounting.

An example of what I am saying is clearly stated in XLoveCash terms where it reads that the affiliate is the service provider and the sponsor is the business customer (B2B) : https://www.xlovecash.com/en/terms
Adult Force terms are also stating this and the invoices produced by these 2 and others reflect that as well, which makes sense : models and affiliates are contractors of the sponsor.

Having said that: the easiest and best way to be sure is to ask them to produce a self-billing invoice, this way there's no ambiguity.

logically, the affiliate to a cam model is like a pimp to an escort or the producer to the model.

Of course, if the model is the creator, then the content created is sold from the creator, at this point, this is where my accountant has said, no matter who or where the content is sold, you are the liable for the VAT.

Like a manufacturer of a car, do they not pay the vat no matter where the car is sold?

drexl · 11-16-2023, 10:59 AM

I was trying to be helpful but it looks way too complicated for me. Your accountant is the one you should trust.

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

logically, the affiliate to a cam model is like a pimp to an escort.

An affiliate does not receive money from a model.

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

my accountant has said, no matter who or where the content is sold, you are the liable for the VAT.

Place of supply determines the VAT rate. B2C reporting is done in OSS, B2B is done in VIES.

NatalieK · 11-16-2023, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by drexl

I was trying to be helpful but it looks way too complicated for me. Your accountant is the one you should trust.

you have, good input is always helpful & yes, is complicated, as there´s so many factors going into this. I will be speaking with my accountant again, it´s a very good firm here in Murcia.

All good Drexl

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Originally Posted by drexl

An affiliate does not receive money from a model.

agreed, the affiliate sends the traffic to the cam model, the model would earn the money & the studio or platform is like escrow. I wouldn´t have thought an affiliate would have to pay vat.

just working out the money & work exchange of hands

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Originally Posted by drexl

Place of supply determines the VAT rate. B2C reporting is done in OSS, B2B is done in VIES.

I´d have thought no matter the place of supply, as the first hand sale, vat would be paid by both the customer on the sale & by the platform. Now the platform would claim vat back from the amount paid to the creator, the creator would then still be left paying the vat on the income received as this part of payment again needs vat paying, due to it being the creators actual creation & the vat claimed back from the platform.

I suppose depends on if the platform pays the vat for the creator and doesn´t claim it back or if they pay it and leave it being paid by the platform.

AMDWarrior · 11-16-2023, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

no, they do the design, like they did mine, their sites are powered by modelcentro but you add your content and descriptions...

here´s mine https://NatalieK.xxx

what the fuck is this waste of a site, the toys are not alien, they´re normal use vibrators & what the fuck is that trailer, it´s just it´s logo???

clicking through the pics on each movie, you don´t get any close up toy content, just bts, 9 mins of chatting??????

seriously Adam, what are you thinking making this site, it´s not tentacles or anything alien? the sex toys are normal to use??

and 2months ago you last updated to this site and all of the movies look the same model & same film????

you haven´t updated to this site, i thought this your main site, 10 months ago & then it goes back to a year ago????

were you not making any money on these websites? why would you just stop updating?

what is the point of a trailer video, it just shows a logo??? what is the point to this?

and again, the last updates were near on a month ago, a page of 8 or 10 videos all different angles & edits of the same girl in the same scenario, just wondering around naked in her room!

Seriously, not trying to be nasty here, but what do you think you´re doing?

You´d have been better to collaborate these sites, as they´re nothing on their own & even together, would you want weekly updates of the same movie from a different camera angle if you was the customer paying for this???

it´s daylight robbery!

I don´t believe you have any members to your site, i don´t want proof, just saying, you´ve not updated any of your sites for months, some near on a year!

Maybe quit spamming the forum and do some work, get a girl to work for you & give her half the profits...

#just daying my

You're the last one that should talk about spamming crappy sites.

plsureking · 11-16-2023, 05:24 PM

this thread went sideways because DVTimes loves to hijack threads and drop 7-10 comments in a row. keeping he/she/they/it on my ignore list makes it a lot easier to read hijacked threads.

relevant tip tho - i'm seeing a lot more of my site owners accept offline or offsite payments - cashapp, venmo, paypal, bitcoin - and add the member manually to the site. so make sure you can add manual members on the platform you choose as a paysite.

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NatalieK · 11-17-2023, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

relevant tip tho - i'm seeing a lot more of my site owners accept offline or offsite payments - cashapp, venmo, paypal, bitcoin - and add the member manually to the site. so make sure you can add manual members on the platform you choose as a paysite.

absolutely! & great idea, for those with fans wanting to join & have subscription but not be able to pay with card.

Modelcentro does have the ability for manual fan updating, you can add the username, password & email, also regenerate new passwords for fans too...

I have several subscribers pay direct into my bank, I then just update there subscription to a month or 3 extra every time, works well for them & great for me, especially with someone wanting to pay cash into my British account where they don´t want to have their details on the net

drexl · 11-17-2023, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

Now the platform would claim vat back from the amount paid to the creator

Yes you are correct!

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

the creator would then still be left paying the vat on the income received as this part of payment again needs vat paying

I think it depends:

I don't want to talk about MC because I don't know them. Let's assume a platform run by a company called Company and let's say you make $100 earnings.

If Company's based in Spain for billing purposes then they owe you $121. You keep your $100 and you pay $21 to your gov.

If Company's based anywhere in the EU except Spain for billing purposes then they owe you $100. Company has to charge themselves $21 (reverse charge) and they can claim it back like you said. You don't collect VAT from them though you have to file a report.

If Company's billing address is outside of the EU (ex: Brazil). It's out of scope for VAT.

What happens between Company and the consumer is not relevant, it is a separate step in the chain, it is their problem.

Again the easy way is to ask for an invoice, everything is in it.

NatalieK · 11-17-2023, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by drexl

Yes you are correct!

I think it depends:

I don't want to talk about MC because I don't know them. Let's assume a platform run by a company called Company and let's say you make $100 earnings.

If Company's based in Spain for billing purposes then they owe you $121. You keep your $100 and you pay $21 to your gov.

If Company's based anywhere in the EU except Spain for billing purposes then they owe you $100. Company has to charge themselves $21 (reverse charge) and they can claim it back like you said. You don't collect VAT from them though you have to file a report.

If Company's billing address is outside of the EU (ex: Brazil). It's out of scope for VAT.

What happens between Company and the consumer is not relevant, it is a separate step in the chain, it is their problem.

Again the easy way is to ask for an invoice, everything is in it.

absolutely, invoicing is simplest, so far, most of the time, what ever income lands into our bank is taxed & vat billed as it´s all creator content, produced by us.

I found this...

it shows each level of vat payments, and at every level of the sale, the vat man wins

drexl · 11-18-2023, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

it shows each level of vat payments, and at every level of the sale, the vat man wins

You're right Natalie, the last step is the most common case of B2C when selling/buying goods within a single location (ex: buying a car).

For the most part we're in the business of selling/buying services (not goods) to multiple locations.

I apologize to all for having hijacked this thread. I've already listed out the different scenarios, if someone is interested in the topic search for : mandatory reverse charge art.195 to 198 of the EU VAT directive.

You may find some useful info there: https://europa.eu/youreurope/busines...t/index_en.htm

thegoodwife · 11-18-2023, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

it shows each level of vat payments, and at every level of the sale, the vat man wins

Actually the VAT man refunds the VAT for all except of the last transaction.
One of the basic rules in VAT is that the same thing may not be VAT taxed twice.

You can read that on the page where the image is from:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax

I'm not sure why you what to believe so hardly that you have to pay it. There are cases where would need to pay it but also would get it back, but in ours thats not true.

thegoodwife · 11-18-2023, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

this thread went sideways because DVTimes loves to hijack threads and drop 7-10 comments in a row. keeping he/she/they/it on my ignore list makes it a lot easier to read hijacked threads.

relevant tip tho - i'm seeing a lot more of my site owners accept offline or offsite payments - cashapp, venmo, paypal, bitcoin - and add the member manually to the site. so make sure you can add manual members on the platform you choose as a paysite.

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Just realised that you sell such a service.

At scale the pricing could be interesting, for now MC has all i want and is 100% risk free. But for a company selling webhosting, your page looks super super outdated.
Also was not able to find any sample sites that give me an idea of how it would look like. Non of the reviewers was findable except one and it's page was down.
Thats a really bad first impression.
Just in case you want to improve your conversion.

NatalieK · 11-19-2023, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thegoodwife

Actually the VAT man refunds the VAT for all except of the last transaction.
One of the basic rules in VAT is that the same thing may not be VAT taxed twice.

You can read that on the page where the image is from:
wikipedia.org/wiki/Value-added_tax

I'm not sure why you what to believe so hardly that you have to pay it. There are cases where would need to pay it but also would get it back, but in ours thats not true.

on this wiki page, it says...

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With a value-added tax
With a 10% VAT (tax amounts in bold):

With a 10% VAT
The manufacturer spends ($1 × 1.10) = $1.10 for the raw materials, and the seller of the raw materials pays the government $0.10.
The manufacturer charges the retailer ($1.20 × 1.10) = $1.32 and pays the government ($0.12 minus $0.10) = $0.02, leaving the same gross margin of ($1.32 – $1.10 – $0.02) = $0.20.
The retailer charges the consumer ($1.50 × 1.10) = $1.65 and pays the government ($0.15 minus $0.12) = $0.03, leaving the same gross margin of ($1.65 – $1.32 – $0.03) = $0.30.
The manufacturer and retailer realize less gross margin from a percentage perspective. If the cost of raw material production were shown, this would also be true of the raw material supplier's gross margin on a percentage basis.
Note that the taxes paid by both the manufacturer and the retailer to the government are 10% of the values added by their respective business practices (e.g. the value added by the manufacturer is $1.20 minus $1.00, thus the tax payable by the manufacturer is ($1.20 – $1.00) × 10% = $0.02)

https://simplyvat.com/social-media-influencer-tax

not sure what the problem is, as creators of content, digital services, the production of a film, VAT should be paid.

I always recommend people to ask their own accountants, but is best to find out from the proper channels than be held by the VAT man owing 1000´s...

NatalieK · 11-19-2023, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by thegoodwife

for now MC has all i want and is 100% risk free.

that is the great thing with MC, we run 7 sites 10 years ago on a dedicated server, was costing 250$ a month and had to have designers & tech guys in to help with design & back end DB stuff...

now it´s all done, for a tiny cut every month

thegoodwife · 11-19-2023, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NatalieK

not sure what the problem is, as creators of content, digital services, the production of a film, VAT should be paid.

Of cause it must be payed, but it's taken from the costumer and payed to the goverment by the plattform, not by you. Your write an reverse charge invoice for your commission without VAT and done.

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on this wiki page, it says...

Read further, below it's explained...

The influencer thing: Thats completely different circumstances, not a single thing in common with our constellation...

Be sure to ask a tax lawyer since something like tax consultants legally do not exist in Spain. Gestorias don't need a licence or anything and always tell you whats the way of lowest resistence for them aka what the tax man tells them, that's mostly not the best for you. Cause non of them have in mind to save you money, they both want your money with lowest effort possible.
We also have a lot of experience with that. That's Spain, ask 3 consultants and you got 5 opinions and at leats two more if you ask again next day. I could tell you stories....

Ask a lawyer, they are the only ones that are responsible for their consultancy.

But anyways, i give up here. Just wanted to help you save money. We sell non adult media globally since almost two decades so i really know what i talk about.
In legal terms having the boobs out is the exact same thing.

If you just wanna insist in paying it i'm sure Spain is very thankful for that.

plsureking · 11-19-2023, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thegoodwife

Just realised that you sell such a service.

At scale the pricing could be interesting, for now MC has all i want and is 100% risk free. But for a company selling webhosting, your page looks super super outdated.
Also was not able to find any sample sites that give me an idea of how it would look like. Non of the reviewers was findable except one and it's page was down.
Thats a really bad first impression.
Just in case you want to improve your conversion.

thanks for the feedback! (cap)

i do work with startups, but i mainly spend my desk time on custom work for bigger clients. if i needed the cms service to be bigger, it would be. i prefer working half days

i don't sell webhosting. i only host PornCMS sites.

good luck and we're looking forward to your first sale! imagine the advice you'll give when you've been in business a decade or two.

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thegoodwife · 11-20-2023, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

thanks for the feedback! (cap)

i do work with startups, but i mainly spend my desk time on custom work for bigger clients. if i needed the cms service to be bigger, it would be. i prefer working half days

i don't sell webhosting. i only host PornCMS sites.

good luck and we're looking forward to your first sale! imagine the advice you'll give when you've been in business a decade or two.

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Legit. Just got fetish for brand design and couldn't hold back 😝

11-16-2023, 05:24 PM	#63
plsureking bored Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Metaverse Posts: 4,675	this thread went sideways because DVTimes loves to hijack threads and drop 7-10 comments in a row. keeping he/she/they/it on my ignore list makes it a lot easier to read hijacked threads. relevant tip tho - i'm seeing a lot more of my site owners accept offline or offsite payments - cashapp, venmo, paypal, bitcoin - and add the member manually to the site. so make sure you can add manual members on the platform you choose as a paysite. # __________________ #