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Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

Who's involved with Manny The Freak? LOL

Dugmor fucked him. Twice.

Jay_StandAhead · 06-26-2003, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Usually these things can get by without the usual "drama" based on the notion that the rape scenes or violence is based around a non-sexual storyline that calls for it in order to complete the artistic vision.

With that being said, I guess it's ok with most of the fatcats. But there are some who protest some disturbing films Hollywood creates too. But not with the same zealous overture.

Some movies have no story; it's all about the murders and creatures eating humans alive.

I wonder if a murder in a hollywood movie that contains an explicit sex scene would be a big deal? Nah, it wouldn't.

Has anyone seen 8MM? There's a Porno-Murder tape in it. I never heard anyone bitch about this movie.

Kimmykim · 06-26-2003, 01:57 AM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

True, but who do you think would win if people had to choose which had more artistic merit: Basic Instinct or Hypno Trick?

Well now, that would depend on the community. There are some interesting legal concepts regarding the internet as its own community, one that is not dependant upon physical boudaries.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim

Well now, that would depend on the community. There are some interesting legal concepts regarding the internet as its own community, one that is not dependant upon physical boudaries.

True, and the fact that porn is a billion dollar industry has some merit into the argument that a good percentage of americans seem to be ok with it.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

Some movies have no story; it's all about the murders and creatures eating humans alive.

I wonder if a murder in a hollywood movie that contains an explicit sex scene would be a big deal? Nah, it wouldn't.

Has anyone seen 8MM? There's a Porno-Murder tape in it. I never heard anyone bitch about this movie.

I saw 8mm. Good flick. I think the reason why you wouldn't see many protests about it boils down the the storyline, the characters, and the "moral" tale trying to be told there.

The film seemed to try and define the people involved with making the snuff film, and showed the trauma it caused Nick Cage, etc. Right there you have the argument of artistic merit.

Do porn films go so far as to seriously portray character development in their plots? Rarely to any convincing degree.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:04 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

Some movies have no story; it's all about the murders and creatures eating humans alive.

I wonder if a murder in a hollywood movie that contains an explicit sex scene would be a big deal? Nah, it wouldn't.

Has anyone seen 8MM? There's a Porno-Murder tape in it. I never heard anyone bitch about this movie.

Producers of Hollywood movies have to cut stuff out all the time in order to avoid the dreaded 'R' rating.

Digipimp · 06-26-2003, 02:06 AM

Exactly 20 minutes of porn depicting a rape scene isn't exactly a motion picture with character development, plots and everything else that's added in. If movies like 8mm were just cut down the graphic scenes without the plot and development you would probably see the same amounts of complaints about it as porn of the same type.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

Producers of Hollywood movies have to cut stuff out all the time in order to avoid the dreaded 'R' rating.

I don't know about that. What's so dreaded about an "R" rating these days? I agree they cut out scenes to avoid the money-pit known as NC-17 though.

Jay_StandAhead · 06-26-2003, 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

I saw 8mm. Good flick. I think the reason why you wouldn't see many protests about it boils down the the storyline, the characters, and the "moral" tale trying to be told there.

The film seemed to try and define the people involved with making the snuff film, and showed the trauma it caused Nick Cage, etc. Right there you have the argument of artistic merit.

Do porn films go so far as to seriously portray character development in their plots? Rarely to any convincing degree.

I agree, there is more artistic merits to this movie than most porn flicks. However, a little art shouldn't make sure a difference between hollywood and the porn industry.

For example, if a porn movie portrays a very violent rape, but there are hours of character development, people will still bitch about the porn movie.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

I don't know about that. What's so dreaded about an "R" rating these days? I agree they cut out scenes to avoid the money-pit known as NC-17 though.

Well, a 'R' rating limits the number of people that can go see the movie and therefor limits the amount of $$$ they can take in from the box office. So if they have a movie that is on the border of the ratings, they have a big incentive to cut out some bad stuff to squeak in under that 'R' rating.

Johny Traffic · 06-26-2003, 02:11 AM

certainly original

Dugmor · 06-26-2003, 02:11 AM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

Dugmor fucked him. Twice.

What are you talking about !

Manny the Freak is going to be great. We are now editing all the scenes !

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 02:12 AM

If you want to see a movie that would suprise you that there were hardly any protests about it, just watch the movie "Irreversible". I believe it's an Italian flick.

I have it, and at first it was very difficult to follow due to the fact it was chronicled backwards... meaning, the last events happen first, etc. However, the point is, it was a beautifully well made film. It won many critical acclaim at Cannes. But it shows some of the most horrific scenes of brutality I've seen in a mainstream film in a long time. There was a rape scene that lasts for 10 min, and the camera did not cut once... one continuous scene. Another scene shows a guy getting his face beat to a pulp until he was dead and even beyond death. Yet because the underlying plot and tale to be told was so powerful, it forced you to look at those scenes as they should be looked at... with disgust.

Therefor, it's clearly of far more moral value than say... Bumfights.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

I agree, there is more artistic merits to this movie than most porn flicks. However, a little art shouldn't make sure a difference between hollywood and the porn industry.

For example, if a porn movie portrays a very violent rape, but there are hours of character development, people will still bitch about the porn movie.

Hours of character development would most likely negate the movie from being classified as porn to begin with.

Those kinds of movies are known as "Arthouse" movies.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:15 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]
For example, if a porn movie portrays a very violent rape, but there are hours of character development, people will still bitch about the porn movie.

True, but when was the last porn movie you saw that had a violent rape scene with hours of character development prior to the scene? Thats a bit of a rare find. 5 minutes of character devolpment would be more a realistic find. And thats probably because people that are buying the rape videos are buying it for the rape, not the lame stories about the characters.

Jay_StandAhead · 06-26-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Hours of character development would most likely negate the movie from being classified as porn to begin with.

Those kinds of movies are known as "Arthouse" movies.

So do you get my point or not? I'm talking about the controversy surrending a porn flick, compared to a hollywood flick.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:17 AM

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Originally posted by Dugmor

What are you talking about !

Manny the Freak is going to be great. We are now editing all the scenes !

I fear for the future.

flashfire · 06-26-2003, 02:17 AM

How does this site convert anyway...not sure what niche traffic one would use to promote it

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:19 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357
Therefor, it's clearly of far more moral value than say... Bumfights.

Ah...Bumfights, consensual exploitation at its best.

Jay_StandAhead · 06-26-2003, 02:21 AM

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Originally posted by flashfire
How does this site convert anyway...not sure what niche traffic one would use to promote it

Teen, reality, movies...

After all, teens are featured, with a reality concept, with some high quality movies.

Mailers do more than good as well

The Click · 06-26-2003, 02:22 AM

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flashfire · 06-26-2003, 02:23 AM

Well I was thinking gallery traffic...maybe I'll give it a go...I have no hangups about moral issues as far as this site is concerned...I've seen much worse

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:24 AM

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This site is fiction. Everyone featured in the videos and images contained on this site was at least 18 years of age at the moment of the creation of the content. The sexual acts being depicted are fiction. Every perfomer was paid for their performance, and under no circumstance was anyone forced to paticipate in any activity against his/her will. The performers were not at any time under the influence of alcohol or drugs, or unconcious. This site is fantasy, and should not be taken seriously.

That doesn't deny that it is still simulated rape.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 02:25 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

So do you get my point or not? I'm talking about the controversy surrending a porn flick, compared to a hollywood flick.

Let me know if I'm close. You're saying that controversy always follows movies classified as porn regardless of how they might try to legitimize themselves? It's a hypoctritic stigma.

Jay_StandAhead · 06-26-2003, 02:28 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Let me know if I'm close. You're saying that controversy always follows movies classified as porn regardless of how they might try to legitimize themselves? It's a hypoctritic stigma.

No, I'm saying that more heat will be on a porn movie than a hollywood movie, when both explore the same touchy subject.

titmowse · 06-26-2003, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

That doesn't deny that it is still simulated rape.

don't view it. don't buy it. don't promote it.

lil2rich4u2 · 06-26-2003, 02:30 AM

good points

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Let me know if I'm close. You're saying that controversy always follows movies classified as porn regardless of how they might try to legitimize themselves? It's a hypoctritic stigma.

I'd agree that controversy tends to follow porn movies much more than mainstream movies simply because they're porn.

I think it's probably because porn tends to profit from specific scenarios (ie: a 20 minute rape scene being the whole movie), whereas a mainstream movie might have a 5 minute rape scene within a 120 minute movie, and the rape scene isn't usually the basis of the whole story, it's generally a subplot to the overall story of the movie.

Gman.357 · 06-26-2003, 02:30 AM

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Originally posted by Jay[neX]

No, I'm saying that more heat will be on a porn movie than a hollywood movie, when both explore the same touchy subject.

Hehe. I thought that's what I just said. Anyway, I get you.

Jay_StandAhead · 06-26-2003, 02:33 AM

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Originally posted by Gman.357

Hehe. I thought that's what I just said. Anyway, I get you.

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:34 AM

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Originally posted by titmowse

don't view it. don't buy it. don't promote it.

I viewed it, but didn't buy it, and I'm obviously not doing much to promote it, although strangely enough, me starting this thread could be seen as promoting it since they will probably gain more affiliates as a result of this thread. Also, controversy sells.

Jay_StandAhead · 06-26-2003, 02:36 AM

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Originally posted by Brown Bear

I viewed it, but didn't buy it, and I'm obviously not doing much to promote it, although strangely enough, me starting this thread could be seen as promoting it since they will probably gain more affiliates as a result of this thread. Also, controversy sells.

Our webmaster referral program is coming soon; next time you can make money with this kind of thread! hehe

Brown Bear · 06-26-2003, 02:38 AM

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Our webmaster referral program is coming soon; next time you can make money with this kind of thread! hehe

Damn! I should have waited until I had an affiliate link to send people to

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