Zooted ripped off for more than $30,000 by fraudulent webmasters - GoFuckYourself.com

Daymare · 07-28-2003, 11:06 AM

http://www.theadultpress.com/news.php?show=27

They confirmed it and THAT is why they are late with their payments.

I'm looking on the bright side of this one. At least I'm still going to get PAID unlike a lot of other programs who get hit with fees and unexpected financial troubles.

Sly_RJ · 07-28-2003, 11:08 AM

Do sponsors press charges against webmaster fraud? If not, it's time to start.

Daymare · 07-28-2003, 11:11 AM

Agreed, these (usually) foreign webmasters just rack up fake credit cards in hopes of getting paid. Usually by the time it gets found out, the check is already cleared and the money is gone. So zooted had to pay for it.

My sympathies to them for still surviving a hit like that considering they aren't that huge. I know they aren't small either, but still.

sextoyking · 07-28-2003, 11:12 AM

Hi,

All I can say is I have known Jonas around the boards for many years. I am sure he will get all this worked out.

peace

Todd

Sly_RJ · 07-28-2003, 11:15 AM

Going after people in other countries has to be a complete bitch, and probably not even worth the effort. I'm surprised more sponsors haven't instituted policies where they only accept invited or "approved" foreign webmasters.

Daymare · 07-28-2003, 11:18 AM

I know of a couple of programs that at first only allowed North American webmaster to signup. I'd do the same thing especially since new programs are easy targets for fraud.

Theo · 07-28-2003, 11:18 AM

damn, zooted rules, sad to hear such news.

$30k is a significant of signups,if it's confirmed scam they should pass their contact info to everyone.

detoxed · 07-28-2003, 11:20 AM

Yeah for $30k fuck the law, its worth going international on their ass.

Daymare · 07-28-2003, 11:22 AM

I use their program myself and emailed them not too long ago asking about payouts. I've known about this little tidbit for a little while and thought it's in people's best interest to know that they aren't trying to rip anyone off, but were infact that ones being ripped off.

I was going to ask Serge to get in contact with Jonas since he's known him on the Good Bad Ugly for years and he's rated Good as Gold (that's how I became aware of them in the first place 2+ years ago).

sextoyking · 07-28-2003, 11:22 AM

yep Soul,

Good program over there and bad things do happen to good people sometimes.

We have people who check all the time for orders that come from affiliates. 99% of the time they are all fine, but that 1%, that 1 webmaster who signs up and starts sending big orders / sales with only 10 clicks, 100 clicks, etc sucks...

ah well, just watch those sales closely..

sextoyking · 07-28-2003, 11:24 AM

Yep Jeff (daymare)

Jonas is a good guy and I am sure Serge will take his hat off for him also..

Daymare · 07-28-2003, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sextoyking
Yep Jeff (daymare)

Jonas is a good guy and I am sure Serge will take his hat off for him also..

send me a msg icq: 912570

Theo · 07-28-2003, 11:32 AM

my overall ratio this year with zooted is 1:95 unique 1st page with highly targetted traffic. (acording to statsremote)

It ***** every major per signup sponsor having gay paysites by far. When they'll catch up on payments and the word about such ratios goes out they'll be everywhere.

Daymare · 07-28-2003, 11:43 AM

LOL, Lars definitely got his money's worth. He's fucking EVERYWHERE on gfy now.

BradShaw · 07-28-2003, 12:14 PM

I would imagine there is more to the story. If $30k can put a program 12 weeks behind, you have to wonder about their cash flow in the first place.

Daymare · 07-28-2003, 01:37 PM

Yeah but like I said, I know they aren't huge, and I don't think they're that small, but $30,000 is a shitload of money.

bigdog · 07-28-2003, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
I would imagine there is more to the story. If $30k can put a program 12 weeks behind, you have to wonder about their cash flow in the first place.

exactly 30k should be nothing

Gemini · 07-28-2003, 01:58 PM

Jonas has the guts where most sponsors would fold and come back as some "NEW" sponsor. They may be abit behind but they will come out of it. :D

Daymare · 07-29-2003, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gemini
Jonas has the guts where most sponsors would fold and come back as some "NEW" sponsor. They may be abit behind but they will come out of it. :D

Hopefully everything works out.

Biggy2 · 07-29-2003, 10:30 AM

I just got period 144, 145, 146, and 147 check in the mail today

Daymare · 07-29-2003, 10:42 AM

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Originally posted by Biggy2
I just got period 144, 145, 146, and 147 check in the mail today

Great news.

Really good to hear. I have been waiting for those for some time. Hopefully get it in next couple of days.

Daymare · 07-29-2003, 10:44 AM

Well HOLY shit. I just checked the mail today and I got my check too.

zooted.

orig.jonas · 07-29-2003, 12:14 PM

once again, thanks to everyone coming here and supporting us. right now we are in the process of sending out periods 148 and 149 will be working on periods 150 - 151 next week. once again, we are doing our best to get all caught up.

I have stated before, we had money held by an international processor and unexpected mastercard fine. And yes, we were ripped off bigtime by a bunch of fuckin Canadian Assholes running an amazing card scam. the number is probably much higher then the $30k i mentioned before, between, credits, chargebacks, and checks cashed by webmasters.

Once again, we are sending out checks as money comes in. OUr number 1 objective is to pay webmasters. there have been plenty of reputable companies that fell behind for one reason or another and caught up and are doing just fine. All we ask is for continued support. We are not going anywhere and continue to do business as usual. our chargebacks are way below the 1% level that everyone is afraid of, we have gotten rid of all webmaster fraud and we are doing what we can to go forward.

I am sorry for the delay in getting to this board. I had no idea someone posted here. i was told via email. so that is why i am posting now. I am stepping out for a meeting with someone, but when i get back i will check the board to see what transpired.

thanks again for all the support.

Gemini · 07-29-2003, 02:27 PM

Jonas, you are one of the few sponsors that we trust implicitely. Your emails a long time back offering help with something that didn't even deal with your own company said an awful lot. Sorry to see that you were taken advantage of and hopefully the scum pays in more ways than one for doing it!

Money late is better than no money at all!! ;-)

boobmaster · 07-29-2003, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Agreed, these (usually) foreign webmasters just rack up fake credit cards in hopes of getting paid. Usually by the time it gets found out, the check is already cleared and the money is gone. So zooted had to pay for it.

My affiliate program got stung by an asshole from Bulgaria. Fortunately, I only lost $50.00 to HIM before catching it. However, the chargebacks are still ROLLING in. I have seriously considered allowing only US and Canadian webmasters to participate in my affiliate program.

FlyingIguana · 07-29-2003, 02:45 PM

and foreign webmasters wonder why they're not allowed to sign up for a lot of programs...

notjoe · 07-29-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by orig.jonas
once again, thanks to everyone coming here and supporting us. right now we are in the process of sending out periods 148 and 149 will be working on periods 150 - 151 next week. once again, we are doing our best to get all caught up.

I have stated before, we had money held by an international processor and unexpected mastercard fine. And yes, we were ripped off bigtime by a bunch of fuckin Canadian Assholes running an amazing card scam. the number is probably much higher then the $30k i mentioned before, between, credits, chargebacks, and checks cashed by webmasters.

Once again, we are sending out checks as money comes in. OUr number 1 objective is to pay webmasters. there have been plenty of reputable companies that fell behind for one reason or another and caught up and are doing just fine. All we ask is for continued support. We are not going anywhere and continue to do business as usual. our chargebacks are way below the 1% level that everyone is afraid of, we have gotten rid of all webmaster fraud and we are doing what we can to go forward.

I am sorry for the delay in getting to this board. I had no idea someone posted here. i was told via email. so that is why i am posting now. I am stepping out for a meeting with someone, but when i get back i will check the board to see what transpired.

thanks again for all the support.

Need someone in Canada to deal with these guys?

Wildman · 07-29-2003, 06:28 PM

Zooted Rules! Hope you guys get some of that money back

VirtuMike · 07-29-2003, 06:52 PM

There was a time we used to send all of our gay traffic to Zooted and did really well with it. Jonas is a good person and it's sad to see when a good webmaster gets ripped off.

I think it may be time to have some sort of system that would track webmaster fraud levels by many factors including bank account numbers. Actually this is a fucking brilliant idea and I will run it past Ron C. Damn I'm a friggin GENIUS!

Good luck with the speedy recovery my friends at Zooted.

Daymare · 07-29-2003, 08:52 PM

Cool, nice to see you posted Jonas. You have icq? Mine is 912570, hit me up.

prostock · 07-29-2003, 09:43 PM

well to some here may think that 30k isnt shit , but it is , you dont know al they had going out and there input to there sites ,
so ya it can make a big hit ,
i know of one webmasters program here that al you know that is a very very large player and they get over 45k pics a month ,
SORRY NOT SAY WHO THEY ARE and even they have had to cutt back , things right now are really fucked up for alot of webmasters programes we all know this ,

for zooted to fuck any one i realyl think that wil never happen .
jones and emial are great people i know them both and i sell to them as well , they will get all this matters takin care of .
it is sad that some people have to couse this matter to hurt so many .
my partner lost over 600 members over the globill shit , and just now got all that shit worked out .

Zooted isnt running or hidding from people you can cal them and i will almost bet they will be at the show that is there town area , so just go easy and all will be paid i am sure of that

Theo · 07-29-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Do sponsors press charges against webmaster fraud? If not, it's time to start.

they should

jimmyf · 07-29-2003, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
I would imagine there is more to the story. If $30k can put a program 12 weeks behind, you have to wonder about their cash flow in the first place.

tend to agree

07-28-2003, 11:06 AM	#1
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	Zooted ripped off for more than $30,000 by fraudulent webmasters http://www.theadultpress.com/news.php?show=27 They confirmed it and THAT is why they are late with their payments. I'm looking on the bright side of this one. At least I'm still going to get PAID unlike a lot of other programs who get hit with fees and unexpected financial troubles. Last edited by Daymare; 07-28-2003 at 11:17 AM..

07-28-2003, 11:08 AM	#2
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Do sponsors press charges against webmaster fraud? If not, it's time to start. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

07-28-2003, 11:12 AM	#4
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Hi, All I can say is I have known Jonas around the boards for many years. I am sure he will get all this worked out. peace Todd __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

07-28-2003, 11:15 AM	#5
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Going after people in other countries has to be a complete bitch, and probably not even worth the effort. I'm surprised more sponsors haven't instituted policies where they only accept invited or "approved" foreign webmasters. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

07-28-2003, 11:22 AM	#10
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	yep Soul, Good program over there and bad things do happen to good people sometimes. We have people who check all the time for orders that come from affiliates. 99% of the time they are all fine, but that 1%, that 1 webmaster who signs up and starts sending big orders / sales with only 10 clicks, 100 clicks, etc sucks... ah well, just watch those sales closely.. __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

07-28-2003, 11:11 AM	#3
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	Agreed, these (usually) foreign webmasters just rack up fake credit cards in hopes of getting paid. Usually by the time it gets found out, the check is already cleared and the money is gone. So zooted had to pay for it. My sympathies to them for still surviving a hit like that considering they aren't that huge. I know they aren't small either, but still.

07-28-2003, 11:18 AM	#6
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	I know of a couple of programs that at first only allowed North American webmaster to signup. I'd do the same thing especially since new programs are easy targets for fraud.

07-28-2003, 11:18 AM	#7
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	damn, zooted rules, sad to hear such news. $30k is a significant of signups,if it's confirmed scam they should pass their contact info to everyone.

07-28-2003, 11:20 AM	#8
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Yeah for $30k fuck the law, its worth going international on their ass.

07-28-2003, 11:24 AM	#11
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Yep Jeff (daymare) Jonas is a good guy and I am sure Serge will take his hat off for him also.. __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

07-28-2003, 11:32 AM	#13
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	my overall ratio this year with zooted is 1:95 unique 1st page with highly targetted traffic. (acording to statsremote) It ***** every major per signup sponsor having gay paysites by far. When they'll catch up on payments and the word about such ratios goes out they'll be everywhere.

07-28-2003, 11:43 AM	#14
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	LOL, Lars definitely got his money's worth. He's fucking EVERYWHERE on gfy now.

07-28-2003, 12:14 PM	#15
BradShaw Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: KB's trailer Posts: 7,840	I would imagine there is more to the story. If $30k can put a program 12 weeks behind, you have to wonder about their cash flow in the first place. __________________ Sig too big http://www.gofuckyourself.com/gfy_faqs.html Want to use a large banner in your sig??? Contact Eric about getting on as an advertiser - eric AT adult.com

07-28-2003, 01:37 PM	#16
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	Yeah but like I said, I know they aren't huge, and I don't think they're that small, but $30,000 is a shitload of money.

07-28-2003, 01:58 PM	#18
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Jonas has the guts where most sponsors would fold and come back as some "NEW" sponsor. They may be abit behind but they will come out of it. :D __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

07-29-2003, 10:30 AM	#20
Biggy2 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,821	I just got period 144, 145, 146, and 147 check in the mail today

07-29-2003, 10:44 AM	#22
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	Well HOLY shit. I just checked the mail today and I got my check too. zooted.

07-29-2003, 12:14 PM	#23
orig.jonas Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 28	once again, thanks to everyone coming here and supporting us. right now we are in the process of sending out periods 148 and 149 will be working on periods 150 - 151 next week. once again, we are doing our best to get all caught up. I have stated before, we had money held by an international processor and unexpected mastercard fine. And yes, we were ripped off bigtime by a bunch of fuckin Canadian Assholes running an amazing card scam. the number is probably much higher then the $30k i mentioned before, between, credits, chargebacks, and checks cashed by webmasters. Once again, we are sending out checks as money comes in. OUr number 1 objective is to pay webmasters. there have been plenty of reputable companies that fell behind for one reason or another and caught up and are doing just fine. All we ask is for continued support. We are not going anywhere and continue to do business as usual. our chargebacks are way below the 1% level that everyone is afraid of, we have gotten rid of all webmaster fraud and we are doing what we can to go forward. I am sorry for the delay in getting to this board. I had no idea someone posted here. i was told via email. so that is why i am posting now. I am stepping out for a meeting with someone, but when i get back i will check the board to see what transpired. thanks again for all the support.

07-29-2003, 02:27 PM	#24
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Jonas, you are one of the few sponsors that we trust implicitely. Your emails a long time back offering help with something that didn't even deal with your own company said an awful lot. Sorry to see that you were taken advantage of and hopefully the scum pays in more ways than one for doing it! Money late is better than no money at all!! ;-) __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

07-29-2003, 02:45 PM	#26
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	and foreign webmasters wonder why they're not allowed to sign up for a lot of programs...

07-29-2003, 06:28 PM	#28
Wildman Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 326	Zooted Rules! Hope you guys get some of that money back

07-29-2003, 06:52 PM	#29
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	There was a time we used to send all of our gay traffic to Zooted and did really well with it. Jonas is a good person and it's sad to see when a good webmaster gets ripped off. I think it may be time to have some sort of system that would track webmaster fraud levels by many factors including bank account numbers. Actually this is a fucking brilliant idea and I will run it past Ron C. Damn I'm a friggin GENIUS! Good luck with the speedy recovery my friends at Zooted. __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L

07-29-2003, 08:52 PM	#30
Daymare Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,674	Cool, nice to see you posted Jonas. You have icq? Mine is 912570, hit me up.

07-29-2003, 09:43 PM	#31
prostock On probation Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: not telling you , the exwife might find me Posts: 4,160	well to some here may think that 30k isnt shit , but it is , you dont know al they had going out and there input to there sites , so ya it can make a big hit , i know of one webmasters program here that al you know that is a very very large player and they get over 45k pics a month , SORRY NOT SAY WHO THEY ARE and even they have had to cutt back , things right now are really fucked up for alot of webmasters programes we all know this , for zooted to fuck any one i realyl think that wil never happen . jones and emial are great people i know them both and i sell to them as well , they will get all this matters takin care of . it is sad that some people have to couse this matter to hurt so many . my partner lost over 600 members over the globill shit , and just now got all that shit worked out . Zooted isnt running or hidding from people you can cal them and i will almost bet they will be at the show that is there town area , so just go easy and all will be paid i am sure of that __________________ ICQ # :158519717