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Old 08-01-2003, 08:21 AM   #1
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What makes a website valuable?

If you said anything other than software or the web browser, you are not going to last in this business.

The time is coming when all the top-tier websites will use customized web browsers while the rest use the free web browsers.

I build customized web browsers and have 9 product lines across 3 product classes, all sharing the same technology platform.

Are you struggling to find the right custom software to offer your users and customers?
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Old 08-01-2003, 08:31 AM   #2
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Great you can build a browser. But learn some marketing. WTF are you talking about. Show us. Give us a URL. You are a terrible spammer.
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Old 08-01-2003, 08:42 AM   #3
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Hi Newbie, you like Spam alot....
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What makes a website valuable?

TRAFFIC and a good domain always helps..
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Marketing - that's what makes the world go around.

Traffic - is the result of marketing.
Design - is part of marketing.
People who market - is the key to your success. Ask Lars to help you with your site, and you'll be rich tomorrow
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traffic, traffic and uhhh oh yes... traffic
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Old 08-01-2003, 09:38 AM   #9
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If you think traffic is the answer to creating website value, there are going to be some difficult times ahead.

Focusing on traffic causes as many problems as it solves. Think of all the websites out there that have lots of traffic but lose lots of money...

napster.com
netscape.com
msn.com
hotmail.com

as so on.

The only way to make money with software (a website) is by having software to sell. Ask yourself this, what software am I selling to my users and customers?
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Old 08-01-2003, 09:42 AM   #10
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So tell us, if business is SO fucking great with your uber-browsers why do you need to spam?
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You cannot stop the forward march of new technology.

Either you can jump on board or get run over by it.

The sooner you jump on, the longer the ride.
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Old 08-01-2003, 11:44 AM   #13
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So you download mozilla source and slap a different logo on it?

KEWL!! ROFLAMOA!W@QEJDKNM
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Old 08-01-2003, 11:49 AM   #14
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i think this post made me dumber. remind me again how a browser will do this? and how do you expect your clients to download a new browser for every single site they visit so their experience is that much better? and people are already selling customers something, why do they need to sell them another browser they won't use?

oy. sod off.
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Having a 'Boone Cartoon' makes a website valuable!

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Old 08-01-2003, 11:59 AM   #16
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Custom browsers have been "the next big thing" for how many years now?
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If you said anything other than software or the web browser, you are not going to last in this business.

The time is coming when all the top-tier websites will use customized web browsers while the rest use the free web browsers.

I build customized web browsers and have 9 product lines across 3 product classes, all sharing the same technology platform.

Are you struggling to find the right custom software to offer your users and customers?
So we wont last in this business until we pay you? Damn.
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If you think traffic is the answer to creating website value, there are going to be some difficult times ahead.

Focusing on traffic causes as many problems as it solves. Think of all the websites out there that have lots of traffic but lose lots of money...

napster.com
netscape.com
msn.com
hotmail.com

as so on.

The only way to make money with software (a website) is by having software to sell. Ask yourself this, what software am I selling to my users and customers?
People on this board sell porn, not software.
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There is so much wrong with the previous statement, it is hard to know where to begin.

That is the type of thinking that allows you to get run over by the competition.

Think of it like this...

is Playboy in the publishing business or the porn business?
is a porn movie in the movie business or the porn business?
is GM in the manufacturing business or the car dealership business?
is Coca-Cola in the marketing business or the sugar water business?
is Kellogg in the packaging/distribution business or the food business?

How could you have a lasting business if you do not even know what your business is?
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Old 08-01-2003, 02:58 PM   #20
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Think of it like this...

is Playboy in the publishing business or the porn business?
is a porn movie in the movie business or the porn business?
is GM in the manufacturing business or the car dealership business?
is Coca-Cola in the marketing business or the sugar water business?
is Kellogg in the packaging/distribution business or the food business?

How could you have a lasting business if you do not even know what your business is?
Only GFY can provide gems of business wisdom like this.
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Old 08-01-2003, 03:00 PM   #21
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There is so much wrong with the previous statement, it is hard to know where to begin.

That is the type of thinking that allows you to get run over by the competition.

Think of it like this...

is Playboy in the publishing business or the porn business?
is a porn movie in the movie business or the porn business?
is GM in the manufacturing business or the car dealership business?
is Coca-Cola in the marketing business or the sugar water business?
is Kellogg in the packaging/distribution business or the food business?

How could you have a lasting business if you do not even know what your business is?

I know for a fact that none of us are in the "selling shitty software" business. Sucks for you I guess.
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this guy is funny, apparently he will be the only one left. i'll tell you this much, the average surfer DOES NOT want to download additional software if he doesn't have to. with spyware and adware rapant in programs now, its even worse. i fail to see how a website, where you need special software, could be more popular than an easy to use website that works for everyone. just another guy trying to whore his wares.
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Old 08-01-2003, 03:12 PM   #23
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If you said anything other than software or the web browser, you are not going to last in this business.

The time is coming when all the top-tier websites will use customized web browsers while the rest use the free web browsers.

I build customized web browsers and have 9 product lines across 3 product classes, all sharing the same technology platform.

Are you struggling to find the right custom software to offer your users and customers?
i don't think you're gonna last in this business
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There is so much wrong with the previous statement, it is hard to know where to begin.

That is the type of thinking that allows you to get run over by the competition.
No, its the kind of thinking takes into account the fact that people want to see tits and ass, and don't want to waste time downloading some junky one use browser.
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this guy is funny, apparently he will be the only one left. i'll tell you this much, the average surfer DOES NOT want to download additional software if he doesn't have to. with spyware and adware rapant in programs now, its even worse. i fail to see how a website, where you need special software, could be more popular than an easy to use website that works for everyone. just another guy trying to whore his wares.
The funny thing is its been tried before. Anyone else remember Netscape's "Adult" Browser?
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The days of making BIG money on the web without any knowledge of software development are long gone. Billions of dollars were wasted because tons of neophytes jumped in for the quick buck. And even more gullible investors threw money at them.

Those days are over.

The internet is built on software.
The web is built on software.

Every website that ever existed is built and valued on its software. It does not matter what type of website it is. Those that offer the most or best software eventually dominate the competition.

Content is a commodity.

google.com does not make its money from content or traffic.
yahoo.com does not make its money from content or traffic.
ebay.com does not make its money from content or traffic.

Anyone can host content, and anyone can get traffic, but only the most successful can offer custom software.

If you do not have valuable software, you do not have a valuable website.
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The days of making BIG money on the web without any knowledge of software development are long gone. Billions of dollars were wasted because tons of neophytes jumped in for the quick buck. And even more gullible investors threw money at them.

Those days are over.

The internet is built on software.
The web is built on software.

Every website that ever existed is built and valued on its software. It does not matter what type of website it is. Those that offer the most or best software eventually dominate the competition.

Content is a commodity.

google.com does not make its money from content or traffic.
yahoo.com does not make its money from content or traffic.
ebay.com does not make its money from content or traffic.

Anyone can host content, and anyone can get traffic, but only the most successful can offer custom software.

If you do not have valuable software, you do not have a valuable website.
of course you'll say this, its your job to make ppl think they need this stuff to be profitable. google and yahoo would be nothing without traffic...i don't have time to properly address your post but i'll bet you haven't been in the adult website industry for any amount of years. your a software programmer who is trying to make money, like anyone else. you want to convince us we need this, well first you have to convince surfers they want it, good luck.
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HAHA So all the money everyone here has made without custom browser software was done all wrong?

Fuck.
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The days of making BIG money on the web without any knowledge of software development are long gone. Billions of dollars were wasted because tons of neophytes jumped in for the quick buck. And even more gullible investors threw money at them.

Those days are over.

The internet is built on software.
The web is built on software.

Every website that ever existed is built and valued on its software. It does not matter what type of website it is. Those that offer the most or best software eventually dominate the competition.

Content is a commodity.

google.com does not make its money from content or traffic.
yahoo.com does not make its money from content or traffic.
ebay.com does not make its money from content or traffic.

Anyone can host content, and anyone can get traffic, but only the most successful can offer custom software.

If you do not have valuable software, you do not have a valuable website.

Ok I'm sold. How much do I pay you to have valuable software? Thanks for letting me be able to DOMINATE the competition! Haha all you suckers that dont pay this guy are gonna be out of business next year. Good luck.
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come back when you can offer a web browser that gives the surfer oral sex as they view websites... that'd make tons of fucking $
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If you do not have valuable software, you do not have a valuable website.
If you do not have traffic, all you're left with is holding your dick and a pretty website you can show gramma....
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Consider this scenario...

A group of websites that are a repository for the bulk of the new content found on 95% of the websites.

This would basically be a HUGE data repository or a web version of a database containing images, movies, music, or whatever.
(In a sense, this is already happening with P2P but they are limited as productivity software).

Using XML, RSS, or SOAP, a visitor could request precisely the data they want.

Next, using my web software, all a user or customer needs to do is load the data and browse, view, display, print, modify, or save the data as needed.

Guess what, most of the websites around now go right out of existence.

When it comes to technology and software, either jump on board or get run over.
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Can he please make himself a browser that WILL NOT load GFY and use it himself, exclusively?

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Consider this scenario...

A group of websites that are a repository for the bulk of the new content found on 95% of the websites.

This would basically be a HUGE data repository or a web version of a database containing images, movies, music, or whatever.
(In a sense, this is already happening with P2P but they are limited as productivity software).

Using XML, RSS, or SOAP, a visitor could request precisely the data they want.

Next, using my web software, all a user or customer needs to do is load the data and browse, view, display, print, modify, or save the data as needed.

Guess what, most of the websites around now go right out of existence.

When it comes to technology and software, either jump on board or get run over.
you plan on buying 95% of the new content that is out there? you can't just spider sites and steal the images like similar programs that are illegal already do. there is already software out there that is capable of this, what you describe sounds to me just like a searchable database.
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1.) The web works, is appealing, because it is standards-driven. Because anyone can access any site with their standard browser.

2.) Numb, blind hyperbole won't sell your product. You sound like an idiot, because you are being too absolute to be believable.
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I bet The Hun has custom browser software. How else could you explain 2M people a day visiting such a plain site?
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you plan on buying 95% of the new content that is out there? you can't just spider sites and steal the images like similar programs that are illegal already do. there is already software out there that is capable of this, what you describe sounds to me just like a searchable database.
Shh. If he wants to buy all of my content, I have nothing against that.
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I just modified my MaxConnectionsPerServer setting.

I now have custom browsing software. MUAHAHAHAHA

Stand aside before I run the rest of you over.
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woodsix, with a shitty website like http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/
i can just imagine how shitty your special software will be
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Consider this scenario...

A group of websites that are a repository for the bulk of the new content found on 95% of the websites.

This would basically be a HUGE data repository or a web version of a database containing images, movies, music, or whatever.
(In a sense, this is already happening with P2P but they are limited as productivity software).

yet, without traffic, you still have NOTHING OF VALUE
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woodsix, with a shitty website like http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/
i can just imagine how shitty your special software will be
Hey, I can load that site without custom software. wtf?

I thought sites were only valuable and useful if they required custom browsing software?

I'm changing my MaxConnectionsPerServer back to normal. This is a load.
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HAHA So all the money everyone here has made without custom browser software was done all wrong?

Fuck.
And with that in mind, I hope you will refund it all ;)
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Old 08-01-2003, 07:48 PM   #46
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Consider this scenario...

A group of websites that are a repository for the bulk of the new content found on 95% of the websites.
One group of websites producing 95% of new content? Seems like a pretty unlikely scenario. Is there any one single organization that you'd want controlling 95% of the information on the planet? Your scenario is right out of a sci-fi nightmare.


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This would basically be a HUGE data repository or a web version of a database containing images, movies, music, or whatever.
(In a sense, this is already happening with P2P but they are limited as productivity software).

Using XML, RSS, or SOAP, a visitor could request precisely the data they want.
Gee whiz! You just described the internet.


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Next, using my web software, all a user or customer needs to do is load the data and browse, view, display, print, modify, or save the data as needed.
Gee whiz! You just described IE, Netscape, Opera, Konqueror, et al.


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Guess what, most of the websites around now go right out of existence.
Your whole assumption that current websites would disappear is based on the laughable premise that 95% of new content would be produced for your "internet jr." group.


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When it comes to technology and software, either jump on board or get run over.
Unfortunately, you're proposing old failed technology. You seem to be advocating a return to the bad old days when AOL, Compuserve, and Prodigy each had their own distinct content and software and there was no way for users of one system to interact with users of the other system. Simply put that sucked.

The reason the internet is so wildly successful, is that it is built on public set of standards and protocols. Anyone, anywhere in the world could access information anywhere in the world. Any website is accessible to any browser (more or less). People producing content like it this way because they know their potential clients already have what they need to access the content. People looking for content like it this way because they know that wherever they find the content they already have the tools to view it.

Perhaps you don't realize this, people do not want to download new software. For example, there are video codecs such as DivX that offer better compression size/quality than the standard codecs that come bundled windows. However, the videos encoded with the standard codec were much more popular even though they were of a lesser quality. The simple reason being, they worked and the user didn't have to jump through any hoops to make them work.

I hate to tell you this, but the days of people throwing money at you because you repeat "new technology" ad nauseum are over. You probably already know that which is why you're spamming your stuff here.

If you want to have any success selling your stuff, you're going to have to demonstrate why your software is valuable. More importantly you're going to have to demonstrate why its valuable at this time, not in some future fantasy of yours where the whole structure of the internet depends on your custom browsers.

So, here's an invitation Toby. Show us your browsers. Lets see your website. Lets see how the browsers work. Who are your current customers? How many browsers have you made for people? How many end users are currently using your browsers? Show us specifics. Anything else is "fluff and fodder".

(I can't beleive I cared enough to type this all out)
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Old 08-01-2003, 07:52 PM   #47
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woodsix, with a shitty website like http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/
i can just imagine how shitty your special software will be

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Take from http://www.sevenmilesearch.com/productclass.asp


has the above with GordonRhodes markup language (GRML) support.
GRML
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