Globil knew on July 3rd

[debbieN]

their last update into the main system was on July 3rd.

they had plenty of time to let us know.

Suck up as much money, turn off the CC scrubbers, take the cash buy some gold.

Who are the owners. I would like to know some addresses!!!

[Juicy D. Links]

i wonder whart was the total dollar sum of all the money they ran away with

[KRL]

Originally posted by juicylinks
i wonder whart was the total dollar sum of all the money they ran away with

Don't think about it. It'll get everyone so pissed off people will want to go and do a Charlie Manson on them.

[Webby]

Hell... a company goes bust and they "must" have "ran away" wiith "dollars" and "gold".....

Move on!!

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Webby


Hell... a company goes bust and they "must" have "ran away" wiith "dollars" and "gold".....

Move on!!

dipshit.

[Webby]

Gutterboy:

News for you... it is unfortunate when any company hits the dust - both for their clients and staff, but this happens *every* day.

I've had many companies go bust on me.. but I sure ain't gonna dwell on them for longer than 5 minutes after the liquidation papers arrive! Tis time to wipe your mouth and plow on!

If all you can respond with is "dipshit" you are a loser!

[The Other Steve]

Webby perhaps you are right - but there are stated instances of them taking sign-ups right up till about an hour before they closed up.

All the wires that were supposed to go out the night before they collapsed were never sent. That says to me that they knew they were in trouble. If they knew that why did they continue billing for webmasters?

Now you convince me that there isn't something rather odious about all that.

[Gutterboy]

Originally posted by Webby
Gutterboy:

News for you... it is unfortunate when any company hits the dust - both for their clients and staff, but this happens *every* day.

Going out of business and purposefully fucking people over are not synonymous. Its one thing to close up shop, its another entirely to create the false impression that everything is fine in order to prevent the rats from jumping the sinking ship.

One is an unfortunate circumstance that happens to alot of businesses, the other is a deliberate attempt to profit as much as possible from your own demise by lying to your clients .

If all you can respond with is "dipshit" you are a loser!

Dipshit.

[easyfun]

Webby perhaps you are right - but there are stated instances of them taking sign-ups right up till about an hour before they closed up.

I think for the past 3 days before disappearing, none of the sales actually went through - No re-bills, either.


Which leads me to believe they were already on their way out the door before Visa came knocking -

For several months, Globill worked with a skeliton staff etc. - So I am pretty damn sure this was a fully planned piece of shit.

Forget getting anything back - That ain't going to happen -

Bee a nice idea to set up a globill fund - I am certain a few would contribute a few bucks - So we could pay some hit guy to give them a greetings card!

[The Other Steve]

Originally posted by easyfun


I think for the past 3 days before disappearing, none of the sales actually went through - No re-bills, either.


Bee a nice idea to set up a globill fund - I am certain a few would contribute a few bucks - So we could pay some hit guy to give them a greetings card!

You're probably right - we had the best week we ever had in that last week - ah well.

As for the greeting card ... hmmm Tipsy told me you were a nice bloke - he must have been pissed by the time he talked to you

[debbieN]

I looked at sign-up ratios vs total "join" page hits. My new sign-ups with Globil increase by 47% during that period. I had a slight increase with Probilling and Globosale to the toon of 3.45%.

If I was a dectetive what would I think, Watson?

Note: Happy as I was, with the increase I foolishly spend too much and did not save the same ratio of increase as I had normally.

Pork and bean from now on, no more lobster and steak.

[easyfun]

As for the greeting card ... hmmm Tipsy told me you were a nice bloke - he must have been pissed by the time he talked to you

Tipsy was right - I am always very nice to people who rip me off like Globill did - Sunnydollars - and Sypro - Between those three I have lost a load of dosh -

... Give my regards to Tipsy and his wife - Nice people

[skitten]

If ever there were a wolf in sheep's clothing -it is Glo-Bill. Those con-artists played us like a fucking fiddle - with constant posts on their webmsters board to reassure us of their stability.

I had several sign-ups which were accepted less than an hour prior to Glo-Bill closing up shop on the morning of 7/25. I had deposited a check from Glo-Bill on 7/22 - which was returned to me just a few days ago - and the reason given was "Stop Payment" as opposed to NSF.

They are holding our reserve money - which according to the information on their site - QUOTE:

"Glo-Bill only holds 5% of webmaster sales in rolling reserve (10% for webmasters earning over $5,000 bi-weekly).

Each pay period, the reserve amount from the pay period 6 months prior will be added to your paycheck. The rolling reserve protects Glo-Bill and customers should you suddenly close down your website, requiring us to refund it's members.

But rest assured that any reserve is YOUR money and will be returned to you according to the schedule as long as you abide by ethical business practices"



Any recent attempts to login to the webmasters area to access what little information they have made available - were unsuccessful - I received the following message:

Database Error! Quote Error ID: 66296-10600021460


They ran off with our money and do not have any plans on paying. When Lancelot pulled the exact same thing last September - this board was littered with posts from angry webmasters (myself included) but less than one year later - Lancelot's sins are all but forgotten. We haven't received a penny from them - yet Terry & Elizabeth Neves have been busy spending our cash. They own a home in Jupiter Beach FL - as well as several beach front condos - each one costing between $600,000-$800,000.

Third party billing companies are able to close-up shop - while owing us hundreds of thousands of dollars. We are left with unanswered questions, as they can't be reached by phone or email - It's a fucking license to steal.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Webby


Hell... a company goes bust and they "must" have "ran away" wiith "dollars" and "gold".....

Move on!!

there's over a months worth of payouts that wasn't sent out. they did run away with the money.

[easyfun]

We got to face facts - Too many criminals are running big pieces of this industry because of the huge profits that can be made - When globill, sypro, sunnydollars, lancelot do things on a large scale - No one really gives a fuck as it deflects attention from their own scams - When small-time webmasters hit on a way to scam a programme, you hear nothing, or very little - Why?
Because that would increase for need for the industry to be regulated - The big guys certainly do not want that, do they?

Yet, slowly but surely Visa are taking over that mantle of regulators - And it is easy to see where the last push to get the most out of the time left is coming from, before Visa make further changes to take more control of this biz.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by easyfun

... Give my regards to Tipsy and his wife - Nice people

I heard the wife's a bitch but that Tipsy is an OK sort of guy.

[Tipsy]

It's in part the problem with having a business that's both so global and attracts so many people with little or no money. Unfortunately it costs money to prove in court you've been ripped off and this is even more true when the company/individual that has done so is in another country. That makes action by 99% of people impossible and means the unethical and often illegal practices continue and will do so for the foreseeable future.

Any true regulation will never be to protect the individual and stop shady business practices (who want's to pass laws protecting smut peddlers?), but rather legislation designed to make it more and more difficult for all concerened. Even now, although the VISA regs are helping to clean up the industry still further, they are also starting to damage a lot of people who were already running a tight ship and were just unlucky(not everyone lives on boards to know the situation) enough not to see the writing on the wall.

Although this business has been in a state of flux from the start with constant changes it has never been as turbulent as it is now. It's not just the strong who will and do survive and/or prosper in times like this - unfortunately the thieves and cheats do too.

[PbG]

I think they knew on or about the 22nd, not as early as the 3rd. If they had known doubt I would have been able to cash three of their checks on the 19th.

I do believe they were less than forthright about their inability to process credit cards on the 22nd. Thats when the "UNVERIFIED SIGNUPS" first appeared and they sent a letter to one of our customers claiming it should be resolved in 72 hours.

At that time they should have been forthcoming and stated the problems as they were developing.

I also doubt we will ever see any of our money. However when I get a second I will put together a report detailing what they owe me.

Bottomline after getting burned by both DMR & Globill I will no longer rely soley on 3rd party processors.

[easyfun]

From Tipsy I heard the wife's a bitch but that Tipsy is an OK sort of guy.

C'mon Tipsy! You fucked up that sentence and got sorta mixed up there, didn't you???

Was the little one awake and waiting when you got back from London?

Some good points you made - Sure, some good guys are getting forced out because of this, purely because of where they live -

Going to be an intresting next 12 months, I think...

[cheekycherry]

I used Globill for a few days when my processor was down months ago. I never signed the contract and faxed it back to em so I didn't get paid. looks like I won't be getting paid now.

Oh well.

[jungar]

Hello everyone,

Try www.myVirtualCard.com !!! They were a smash hit at InterNext - ask anyone who was there!!!


Try their demo - it's amazing!!!

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by jungar
Hello everyone,

Try www.myVirtualCard.com !!! They were a smash hit at InterNext - ask anyone who was there!!!


Try their demo - it's amazing!!!

You sort of expect spam in processor threads but for fucks sake put a little effort into it. That's a pathetic attempt.

[jungar]

Originally posted by Tipsy


You sort of expect spam in processor threads but for fucks sake put a little effort into it. That's a pathetic attempt.

Chill buddy! I don't need to spam. Just try the demo and see why this excites so many webmasters!

[tomax]

I was able to cash some globill checks as late as July 20 so I doubt they were able to ran off with a ton of cash. Also, all the "signups" between July 21-25 were "unverified" meaning the cards were not even charged since they lost their merchant account so they couldn't have got that money either. It looks more like they were in a mad scramble to try and get back up and running somehow but then gave up when it was clear that visa terminated them.

From what I have read on this board about merchant account terminations it looks like the banks and Visa are the ones that grab most of the funds and then fine the shit out of the account to grab as much money as possible. they are probably the biggest bandits.

At this point, I sent in the letter to St. kitts and am just waiting for a response. If i get no money back whatsoever then I will call globill the worst scum, along with merchant banks and Visa. But if they even at least give me pennies on the dollar back, then at least I would not feel totally raped and that they care to do the right thing to some degree. We'll see. The notice they sent implied they would respond by Sept 15th or around that.

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by jungar


Chill buddy! I don't need to spam. Just try the demo and see why this excites so many webmasters!

Ummm..but you were spamming. Why if you don't need to spam were you doing so?

[Centurion]

Originally posted by skitten


When Lancelot pulled the exact same thing last September - this board was littered with posts from angry webmasters (myself included) but less than one year later - Lancelot's sins are all but forgotten. We haven't received a penny from them - yet Terry & Elizabeth Neves have been busy spending our cash. They own a home in Jupiter Beach FL - as well as several beach front condos - each one costing between $600,000-$800,000.

I contacted several legal sources in New Mexico after Lancelot shut it's doors (Who were ya on Lancelot?) and basically was told that if the amount owed was UNDER 10k in New Mexico, you could take them to civil court. If over 10k (which mine was..what they owed me), then it would have to go to criminal court (strange laws in that state).

The bottom line was and is..if you're going to take someone to court (if they haven't declared bankruptcy), it's going to cost you a lot of money and you may end up losing MORE than what's owed you. And I think the e-processors who have gone out of business know that.

[Webby]

debbieN:

I looked at sign-up ratios vs total "join" page hits. My new sign-ups with Globil increase by 47% during that period. I had a slight increase with Probilling and Globosale to the toon of 3.45%.

If I was a dectetive what would I think, Watson?

Now that SMELLS!!!

I dunno about Globill... who is the reciever?

[lock]

we were with globill we just signed with probill
http://www.probilling.com/signup/val...&man=154906570

[solonline]

Fuck, I love all the conspiricy theorys, especially as most of em are bullshit! First thing, move the fuck on! we lost 1000s and i mean 10s of 1000s, it hurt, and we were fucked..........for around 12 hours. Then you pick yourself up from the gutter, start again learn and move forward.

Expect your money back ? not a chance or very little. We spent 6k getting it checked out, no hope dude. your bucks are gone.

As for globill knowing, they did around 3 days before. We were given around 16 hours notice to pull our sites. Not by Mr Globill, but by a tech suport who had worked with us on our accounts for a long time. He was cool, he was out of a job, and very pissed of. Im not naming names cause I dont wanna get him into any shit.

The powers that be tried in vain for some days to find an alternate processor. they couldnt and they fired all but 1 guy left in the office, him that gave us the nod. i get the feeling that they all felt they had a real chance of saving it.

Now im as pissed as anyone at globill, and have no reason at all to defend em, and im not. They fucked up BIG TIME! But people, its time to move, we have and we are making the dollars again!

[tomax]

Originally posted by Webby
debbieN:



Now that SMELLS!!!

I dunno about Globill... who is the reciever?

The unverified system went on after they apparently lost their merchant account. So of course signup ratios appeared to jump. mine went thru the roof because unverified means that they simply accept ALL cards in the meantime until they have a chance to pass them through the banking system and filter out the junk. but they never were able to pass them through and charge any cards because they lost their merchant account

I agree with salon. This is so 'last week'. We all got burnt. They only thing we can hope is that they do have *some* money and that they will give some of that some money back to us. Maybe there is little chance of that happening. But who knows. It doesn't hurt to keep my fingers crossed. I await their response.

[easyfun]

I await their response.

You'll be waiting a long time - If they were going to say anything, they would have a long time ago...

[twist]

Those fuckers, drop a decicutter in their homes...

[tomax]

Originally posted by easyfun



You'll be waiting a long time - If they were going to say anything, they would have a long time ago...

Their notice said they would give everyone to Sept 15th to send in their letters and then they would respond to everyone. So I will wait but you might be right...

Either way, I have moved on and it's all water under the bridge. the only way to make cash in this biz is to just dust yourself off everytime you take a hit, learn from the mistakes and go forward to make even more mnoney.

[easyfun]

I agree - This is the only industry where you have to laugh it off when you realise you have just been stung for 30k

[skitten]

Originally posted by twist
Those fuckers, drop a decicutter in their homes...

...You and I share very similar thoughts.


And while I realize that we have no choice but to move on - I still find it difficult to think about how the rotten individuals at Glo-Bill using our money to pay their fines (so as not to cause any lifestyle changes) due to THEIR mistakes, while I choke on Top Ramen for the next few weeks.

[skitten]

BLOW BILL

[Que?]

I looked at sign-up ratios vs total "join" page hits. My new sign-ups with Globil increase by 47% during that period. I had a slight increase with Probilling and Globosale to the toon of 3.45%.

Consistent with my experience as well.

Isnt a corporate failure governed by some law?

[baddog]

Originally posted by Tipsy



Ummm..but you were spamming. Why if you don't need to spam were you doing so?

I was wondering the same thing . . . . you don't think he works for them do you?

[Tipsy]

Originally posted by baddog


I was wondering the same thing . . . . you don't think he works for them do you?

Nah - couldn't do. It's not like it looks obvious or anything