Domain transfer legality and morality - GoFuckYourself.com

Project-Shadow · 05-10-2005, 10:41 AM

Alrighty, so I was looking over a few prime domain names checking the status [locked/active] and some really good domains are left active.

Putting morals aside, how does the law look apon it if you were to send in a transfer for 'xdomain.com' and the other person didn't decline the transfer and you become the new owner. I assumed it would be theft of some sort, but thinking about it I'm not so sure anymore.

Not that i'm thinking about it.. *cough* but i'm genuinly [sp] curious.

Smut · 05-10-2005, 10:44 AM

bump 8char

mkx · 05-10-2005, 10:47 AM

I know someone who tried this through enom just for the hell of it and the transfer got declined because the other party did not respond.

Mr Dickovitch · 05-10-2005, 10:48 AM

It's all fine until you go to prison and get assraped.

Smut · 05-10-2005, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by raulph

I know someone who tried this through enom just for the hell of it and the transfer got declined because the other party did not respond.

But was the status of that domain "ACTIVE"?

Smut · 05-10-2005, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Dickovitch

It's all fine until you go to prison and get assraped.

Prison? What makes you think transferring a domain name is illegal? The owner has every right to decline the transfer.

Mr Dickovitch · 05-10-2005, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Smut

Prison? What makes you think transferring a domain name is illegal? The owner has every right to decline the transfer.

That's like saying that it's OK to steal a car because the owner wasn't there to decline your borrowing it. You're a winner.

wdsguy · 05-10-2005, 10:52 AM

hey i just initiated a transfer on some of your hentai domains

DomBuyer · 05-10-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Project-Shadow

Alrighty, so I was looking over a few prime domain names checking the status [locked/active] and some really good domains are left active.

Putting morals aside, how does the law look apon it if you were to send in a transfer for 'xdomain.com' and the other person didn't decline the transfer and you become the new owner. I assumed it would be theft of some sort, but thinking about it I'm not so sure anymore.

Not that i'm thinking about it.. *cough* but i'm genuinly [sp] curious.

It's theft.

Any more questions?

mkx · 05-10-2005, 10:54 AM

Yes it was. Maybe it is just enom.

Project-Shadow · 05-10-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wdsguy

hey i just initiated a transfer on some of your hentai domains

I remembered to lock mine ^_^

Cheers DomBuyer.

mkx · 05-10-2005, 10:55 AM

Its not morale, and theft, but you could get off with a good lawyer. Especially when the owner of the domain no longer has access to the listed email and the domain is inactive.

mkx · 05-10-2005, 10:55 AM

What is a registrar that doesnt do 2 way transfer confirmations?

sextoyking · 05-10-2005, 10:57 AM

It's stealing - no if's ands or butts

I remember a few yrs ago I went to transfer gasoline.org to one of my other accounts and accidently typed in gasoline.com and it got approved and transfered to me. I was scared. I called the company who owned it and transfered it back.

They were so happy and pissed that one of there people approved the transfer. Sent me 3 bottles of good wine

Fuckin Bill · 05-10-2005, 10:58 AM

You can't tranfer a domain to a new owner without confirmation from the current owner. At least not by simply sending in a transfer request.

mkx · 05-10-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

It's stealing - no if's ands or butts

I remember a few yrs ago I went to transfer gasoline.org to one of my other accounts and accidently typed in gasoline.com and it got approved and transfered to me. I was scared. I called the company who owned it and transfered it back.

They were so happy and pissed that one of there people approved the transfer. Sent me 3 bottles of good wine

Honest with a million dollar asset. This world needs more people like you

mkx · 05-10-2005, 10:59 AM

But the new rules tend to state that if the current owner doesnt reply to the request than the domain gets transfered. I am saying that this isnt true with enom and asking if anyone else has experience with this

SomeCreep · 05-10-2005, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Project-Shadow

Alrighty, so I was looking over a few prime domain names checking the status [locked/active] and some really good domains are left active.

Putting morals aside, how does the law look apon it if you were to send in a transfer for 'xdomain.com' and the other person didn't decline the transfer and you become the new owner. I assumed it would be theft of some sort, but thinking about it I'm not so sure anymore.

Not that i'm thinking about it.. *cough* but i'm genuinly [sp] curious.

Lol, you're not sure if that is theft or not? It is. The owner can take you to court, sue, and win.

sextoyking · 05-10-2005, 11:01 AM

Well it wasn't my domain, so I had no right you know. Also, they had a join venture with one of the big oil companies, exxon, or chevron, etc. They would of stomped the crap out of anyone taking away there property

Project-Shadow · 05-10-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeCreep

Lol, you're not sure if that is theft or not? It is. The owner can take you to court, sue, and win.

Well I was assuming it was, but considering this is the internet, and with the 'new' Icann rules, I was also assuming that certain laws were changed or modified to accompany that change. Guess not eh.

mkx · 05-10-2005, 11:04 AM

It was an honest mistake, but your an honest person. A dishonest person would have parked the domain and made money off traffic for a year while the domain name gets publicity on the internet, in the end, might just settle out of court with giving the domain back

mkx · 05-10-2005, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

Well it wasn't my domain, so I had no right you know. Also, they had a join venture with one of the big oil companies, exxon, or chevron, etc. They would of stomped the crap out of anyone taking away there property

You should have reported your story to dnjournal or a few online news sites. Get your name out there ;)

sextoyking · 05-10-2005, 11:08 AM

ah, I didn't think of the PR side of it

mkx · 05-10-2005, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

ah, I didn't think of the PR side of it

And that stuff is easy to believe to, I just made the same mistake a week ago confusing a .com with a .org, good thing i noticed quick.

cafeaulait · 05-10-2005, 11:32 AM

I have a similar situtation where I aquired a domain that is used as the email contact for a monster domain, this is real big.

Its being redirected by the current owners (a major european company) to another on topic domain at the moment. Not really being used properly.

It expires this year and I assume I'm going to get the renewal request as I've got a catcall on the admin email domain.

Been racking my brains to think if there was a way I could legally take control of it, but if I wait until it expires it will just get snapped by a backorder house.

Could buy a house with this one but I'd never be able to sleep if it wasn't all above board.

Raven · 05-10-2005, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by raulph

Honest with a million dollar asset. This world needs more people like you

He is definitely in a class of his own and pure class....

SDSimon · 05-10-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Raven

He is definitely in a class of his own and pure class....

Hi Raven

I could not agree more!

>>>>Winners "WIN" because they "NEVER GIVE UP!"<<<<

DateDoc · 05-10-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

Well it wasn't my domain, so I had no right you know. Also, they had a join venture with one of the big oil companies, exxon, or chevron, etc. They would of stomped the crap out of anyone taking away there property

More than likely you would have been found 6 feet under but kudos to you for being honest. More people should be. These days you have to triple check everything before making a deal.

05-10-2005, 10:41 AM	#1
Project-Shadow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 7,340	Domain transfer legality and morality Alrighty, so I was looking over a few prime domain names checking the status [locked/active] and some really good domains are left active. Putting morals aside, how does the law look apon it if you were to send in a transfer for 'xdomain.com' and the other person didn't decline the transfer and you become the new owner. I assumed it would be theft of some sort, but thinking about it I'm not so sure anymore. Not that i'm thinking about it.. cough but i'm genuinly [sp] curious.

05-10-2005, 10:57 AM	#14
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	It's stealing - no if's ands or butts I remember a few yrs ago I went to transfer gasoline.org to one of my other accounts and accidently typed in gasoline.com and it got approved and transfered to me. I was scared. I called the company who owned it and transfered it back. They were so happy and pissed that one of there people approved the transfer. Sent me 3 bottles of good wine __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

05-10-2005, 11:01 AM	#19
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	Well it wasn't my domain, so I had no right you know. Also, they had a join venture with one of the big oil companies, exxon, or chevron, etc. They would of stomped the crap out of anyone taking away there property __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

05-10-2005, 11:08 AM	#23
sextoyking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, OR. Posts: 6,034	ah, I didn't think of the PR side of it __________________ ICQ: 52344098 -------------------------------------- 50% Commissions on all Product Sales. http://www.wishing.com/money

05-10-2005, 10:44 AM	#2
Smut Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 654	bump 8char

05-10-2005, 10:47 AM	#3
mkx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,001	I know someone who tried this through enom just for the hell of it and the transfer got declined because the other party did not respond.

05-10-2005, 10:48 AM	#4
Mr Dickovitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,070	It's all fine until you go to prison and get assraped.

05-10-2005, 10:52 AM	#8
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	hey i just initiated a transfer on some of your hentai domains

05-10-2005, 10:54 AM	#10
mkx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,001	Yes it was. Maybe it is just enom.

05-10-2005, 10:55 AM	#12
mkx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,001	Its not morale, and theft, but you could get off with a good lawyer. Especially when the owner of the domain no longer has access to the listed email and the domain is inactive.

05-10-2005, 10:58 AM	#15
Fuckin Bill Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,020	You can't tranfer a domain to a new owner without confirmation from the current owner. At least not by simply sending in a transfer request.

05-10-2005, 10:59 AM	#17
mkx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,001	But the new rules tend to state that if the current owner doesnt reply to the request than the domain gets transfered. I am saying that this isnt true with enom and asking if anyone else has experience with this

05-10-2005, 11:04 AM	#21
mkx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 4,001	It was an honest mistake, but your an honest person. A dishonest person would have parked the domain and made money off traffic for a year while the domain name gets publicity on the internet, in the end, might just settle out of court with giving the domain back

05-10-2005, 11:32 AM	#25
cafeaulait Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 587	I have a similar situtation where I aquired a domain that is used as the email contact for a monster domain, this is real big. Its being redirected by the current owners (a major european company) to another on topic domain at the moment. Not really being used properly. It expires this year and I assume I'm going to get the renewal request as I've got a catcall on the admin email domain. Been racking my brains to think if there was a way I could legally take control of it, but if I wait until it expires it will just get snapped by a backorder house. Could buy a house with this one but I'd never be able to sleep if it wasn't all above board.