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Semi-Retired-Dave · 06-03-2005, 10:43 AM

By the way, I just read the article. 22 Year Old Armenian, great start. But so true.
My brother has done the same thing this guy has and it works, as long as the market works.

Greg B · 06-03-2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave

I have some properties in Vegas if anyone is looking.
Real Estate is awesome if you can afford them if the market crashes.
If you can't afford to carry them on market crash seasons, then your Fucked.

But, if you are interested in a house in Vegas, I have a few left.

We can work out some kind of deal. I think one has a pool.

Dang! Wish I had known that earlier Big D. Might have some others interested. Will email you.

Xenophage · 06-03-2005, 12:34 PM

Yeah saw the real estate macros that trade as a stock cant wait for them to come out I am gonna start shorting the housing market in vegas so cal and florida.

azguy · 06-03-2005, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Almighty Colin

:-)

Lars, I know you'll like this one. Looks like there will be a good hedge coming.

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Robert Shiller knows bubbles, and he might have just the solution.

The Yale University finance professor ? and author of "Irrational Exuberance," a book that deftly called the dot-com bubble ? is a lead figure at Macro Securities Research. The New York research group has developed financial instruments ? called "MACROs" ? that will be tied to a housing index that tracks property values in certain cities. By purchasing Up MACROs or Down MACROs, investors would be able to place bets on whether a property market is going to keep rising, or whether it's going to fizzle.

In effect, speculators could play the bubble: They could short the City of Angels and go long on the Big Apple, or vice versa. Homeowners in bubbly markets could hedge against a pop. They could stand to gain if the value of their homes go down. If property values keep rising, of course, the homeowners lose on their MACRO investments -- but at least their homes would be worth more.

These days Mr. Shiller is convinced the U.S. housing market is rife with bubble-like behavior. Home-buyer psychology today "fits in with the model of a bubble," he says. "It's a wishful-thinking atmosphere that develops the idea that everything is going to be all right, and there's the sense that you have to get in at any cost because prices are going to keep going up."

Robert Hartwig, chief economist at the Insurance Information Institute, says the MACRO securities may be the best -- and only -- way homeowners can protect the value of their homes. Speculators, including hedge funds, could help add liquidity to the market, he says.

MACRO Securities has filed plans for the new securities with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company intends to roll out its MACRO securities later this year and, in its filing with the SEC, said it hopes to list the securities on the American Stock Exchange. It also has a deal to develop housing-price-indexed futures with the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

Business 2.0 wrote about this not long ago: http://www.business2.com/b2/web/arti...6875-3,00.html

NY_TIM · 06-03-2005, 12:40 PM

I just bought 2 houses in Vegas in the last 2 months. I am renting them out right now. When I can take money out of the first one I will buy a 3rd and so on and so on

Xenophage · 06-04-2005, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NY_TIM

I just bought 2 houses in Vegas in the last 2 months. I am renting them out right now. When I can take money out of the first one I will buy a 3rd and so on and so on

good luck !

taibo · 06-04-2005, 10:18 AM

living in NYC is getting expensive

Xenophage · 06-04-2005, 11:21 AM

here is anotehr good article

http://www.fortune.com/fortune/subs/...066846,00.html

Xenophage · 06-04-2005, 11:23 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6765475/

and another

Xenophage · 06-04-2005, 11:23 AM

http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/13/real...shiller1_0502/

and yet another

Xenophage · 06-04-2005, 11:25 AM

Xenophage · 06-04-2005, 11:29 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/money/books/...uberance_x.htm

Xenophage · 06-29-2005, 10:41 AM

Instead of buying more real estate i have decided to invest in Reits with more liquidity than actual properties and mroe diversification across the whole country.

IYR is an ETF that holds tons of Real estate stocks and pays a nice dividend. And I can get out on the turn of a dime when the bubble starts to fade.

FUCKuPAYme · 06-29-2005, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

During the last half of the 1980s, Boston home prices rose by 73 percent while incomes rose only 42 percent. A recession and attendant correction resulted in an 11 percent drop in home prices that did not recover fully for seven years. During the late 1980s and early 1990s, Los Angeles saw an 89 percent increase in home prices and a 37 percent increase in income. Soon afterward, defense-industry cutbacks precipitated a correction that reduced house values by 24 percent in L.A. over a five-year period. It took another four years to recover.

These bubbles were regional. During the same period, Minneapolis, Chicago, and other cities continued to experience uninterrupted increases in housing values.

anyway my prediction is in many areas vegas california florida arizona and the north east will suffer a 10-20% drop in price and it will take 5-10 years to recover that ammount !

even if it dropped that much you still made a shit load my house goes up 100k year About 35% in tampa on the water. btw always buy on the water

they keep saying the bubbles going to burst and LA still is rising it took a small dip for a few years but the amount it jumped was tremendous if you didn't panic you made out big.

I think we just have to many people on this planet and we keep multiplying

I think real estate is a safe bet if you cant sell when the market drops their will be plenty of renters

will76 · 06-29-2005, 01:25 PM

Didn't long term interest rates just go down ;)
Sorry guys no burst soon.

I seriouly doubt there will be a burst anyway. Sure it will level off soon, if it hasn't already peaked in most places, but i doubt it will take a huge drop. What is more likely is that as interest ratesslowly creep up (even though the latest long term rates dropped) the market will likely level off and the number of transactions will decline, but the values will hold. There will be less buyers and sellers, not a flood of sellers with no buyers. values could hold at these levels for 5 - 10 years with out going up much. That will be your market correction, it will be over time, not over night.

$5 submissions · 06-29-2005, 01:29 PM

Short of a natural disaster triggering a sudden sell off, the low interest rates by the FED will continue to stoke the flames of this bubble.... it will be a while until any burst hits...if any.

FilthyRob · 06-29-2005, 01:35 PM

I am starting to look for my first house before the summer is over.

Xenophage · 06-29-2005, 01:57 PM

Good luck to all..

I just keep thinking JAPAN 25 years and its still under water .. botht he stock market and the housing market. stocks there went to 45,000 and dropped to 10K where they are still at 25 years later.. And housing there is very similr in drop and never has come back.

if its too good to be true and it is then its probably not ~!

EZRhino · 06-29-2005, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clickhappy

Alan Greenspan said theres no real bubble, just pocket bubble areas.
So I dont think the shit's going to hit the fan, I just think there will be a little depreciation in California, NYC, Las Vegas and Boston.

Very true statement the real losers this year will be those flipping properties.
Best analogy I hear was that the bubble deflates before it bursts.

Xenophage · 07-15-2005, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZRhino

Very true statement the real losers this year will be those flipping properties.
Best analogy I hear was that the bubble deflates before it bursts.

Its going to be very interesting. Bill gross the bond king says we are already almost done raising rates. If rates dont go up much more the market may continue for a while longer

Xenophage · 07-18-2005, 02:33 PM

bump cuzz its on teh plate again

High_Times · 07-18-2005, 02:45 PM

I just had a conversation with my dad over the weekend about real estate. He owns properties (rentals in various forms, houses, condos, apartments, etc) and stocks and other shit.

His idea is that it is going to be just like in 1989-1991. People will leave the keys on the kitchen table and walk away. Especially the interest only idiots. At that point he is telling me it is time for me to finally buy some real estate, doing it at rock bottom prices. I think I will take his advice and wait another 1 or 2 years to buy a house.

He was a working stiff until 1988. When the stock market crashed and the real estate did over the next 3 years, he took money from his other investments and bought up a shitload of real estate for almost nothing down. He is confident it is coming around again.

Xenophage · 07-18-2005, 02:47 PM

http://www.economist.com/business/Pr...ory_ID=1057057

check this out

High_Times · 07-18-2005, 02:48 PM

Also would like to say thanks to Lars, he has a lot of good advice and isn't affraid to share it.

EroticySteve · 07-18-2005, 02:54 PM

These meteoric rises haven't hit many rural areas, North Carolina is relatively unaffected by the recent increases. Areas were growth is high are areas where supply hasn't caught up with demand and probably never will. New York, LA, Boston and Coastal Florida. In this part of Florida it's hard to find a piece of vacant land. Very little new construction too.

clickhappy · 07-18-2005, 02:57 PM

I think its starting to slow down in Boston. I saw a news report on houses are taking longer to sell now and sellers are starting to lower their prices.
Also my neighborhood rarely has homes for sale, now there are 4, and theyre not selling.

Webby · 07-18-2005, 03:10 PM

It may come sooner... or later, but sure as hell there will be a bust! There are lots of underlying reasons and irrespective of the US or EU - the pattern is the same, tho the US is probably more vulnerable for obvious reasons.

One area where there still remains real estate opps is in less highly geared countries and locations where the cocktail party chat does not revolve around real estate. Ask Juicy if he's checked out property in Nicaragua - tho even that is being eaten up!

ULVideo · 07-18-2005, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by High_Times

I just had a conversation with my dad over the weekend about real estate. He owns properties (rentals in various forms, houses, condos, apartments, etc) and stocks and other shit.

His idea is that it is going to be just like in 1989-1991. People will leave the keys on the kitchen table and walk away. Especially the interest only idiots. At that point he is telling me it is time for me to finally buy some real estate, doing it at rock bottom prices. I think I will take his advice and wait another 1 or 2 years to buy a house.

He was a working stiff until 1988. When the stock market crashed and the real estate did over the next 3 years, he took money from his other investments and bought up a shitload of real estate for almost nothing down. He is confident it is coming around again.

There's a Coop Apartment building on 7th Avenue and 20th Street (here in NYC) which is almost all studio (14 out of 14 per floor). It started selling in 1988, with units going from $90K to $120K. In the first half of 1992, I sold 6 units there ranging from $27K to $41K. The units are currently going from $375K to $425K. That's the raw data, you analyze it.

PS In the past few weeks in NYC we're seeing something we last saw in 1990-1993 ... a bunch of listings are comming out with higher than normal commissions to induce brokers to sell them. Could it be a sign the market is cooling off?

Xenophage · 07-20-2005, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ULVideo

There's a Coop Apartment building on 7th Avenue and 20th Street (here in NYC) which is almost all studio (14 out of 14 per floor). It started selling in 1988, with units going from $90K to $120K. In the first half of 1992, I sold 6 units there ranging from $27K to $41K. The units are currently going from $375K to $425K. That's the raw data, you analyze it.

PS In the past few weeks in NYC we're seeing something we last saw in 1990-1993 ... a bunch of listings are comming out with higher than normal commissions to induce brokers to sell them. Could it be a sign the market is cooling off?

Interesting

azguy · 07-20-2005, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

Interesting

I like your "strategic bumps"

Xenophage · 07-20-2005, 11:38 PM

I was reading something today on local real estate in sant acruz california looks like we may have already seen the top.

Xenophage · 07-20-2005, 11:39 PM

Our Opinion of what it means

July 2005: The average sales price for June was $880,829, slightly lower than last month?s record of $891,052. The average price went over $800,000 for the first time in March.

DateDoc · 07-20-2005, 11:45 PM

Santa Clara numbers are out for June now too. Highest average price ever. The average home in San Jose is now $705,000 and let me tell you average isn't much as far as quality of home.

Xenophage · 07-23-2005, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

Santa Clara numbers are out for June now too. Highest average price ever. The average home in San Jose is now $705,000 and let me tell you average isn't much as far as quality of home.

Yeah thats for damn sure LOL

was rollin aroudnthe rose garden the other day lookin at 1 mil plus homes that used to sell for 250K hahahha when I was a renter in that neigborhood.

DateDoc · 07-23-2005, 07:51 PM

You can always tell when Lars is home at night because he bumps all his threads.

Oh, and I am going to start pushing cams.com.

Xenophage · 07-23-2005, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

You can always tell when Lars is home at night because he bumps all his threads.

Oh, and I am going to start pushing cams.com.

See it works

DateDoc · 07-23-2005, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegendaryLars

See it works

LOL, I've been an affiliate for a while. Just never done much with cams. The time as come.

Screaming · 07-23-2005, 08:08 PM

yikes that is crazy

Xenophage · 07-23-2005, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BusterPorn

LOL, I've been an affiliate for a while. Just never done much with cams. The time as come.

Kick ass ! I love it when a plan comes together looking forward to morre biz with you.

toddler · 07-23-2005, 11:48 PM

Like everything else, but espcially with real estate: location location location. Guess what, those of us who live in super high appreciation areas buy on interest only, make 300% on the flip, and the govt kicks you back your housepaymant during tax season. Or, if you're smart, start dropping more into a 401(k) or IRAs. Either way, you win.

Now..living interest only on a short term ARM in someplace like, er, nebraska, where the appreciate rate is less than 1%...thats dumb.

Xenophage · 08-12-2005, 09:15 PM

I am Calling it we have now hit the top Right here Right now !

Paul Welles · 08-12-2005, 09:36 PM

Hey Lars,
I am in LA and Homes are going for around 500k to 750 k and this is for nothing too special. Plus with those rates food, gas and everything else is more expensive then other cities A similar home in say portland is 200k to 250k. and so everything there is a little cheaper. What I can't figure out is this? Do people who live in LA really make on average 3 x more then those in Portland or other cities? When you make more you pay more taxes. So really you have to make almost 4x more then an average person in another city. What people have to take a look at is wages and income can everybody make 6K net to pay a $3500 to $4500 mortgage? I mean that is ridiculous to think that everybody is making $120,000 to 300k a year? Something is gonna give real quickly.

slapass · 08-12-2005, 10:04 PM

check the housing stocks. they have already started to give it up.

Grinder · 08-12-2005, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonesy

there will never be a decline in real estate. ever.

what you will have is a leveling off.

do some research on the history of real estate.

it never goes down. ever.

When the Tax Reform Act of 1986 was passed investors lost the tax advantage of interest deductions. Since investment property, including single family homes, was not as profitable it dropped in price. The fall of these prices also brought down the price of all residential real estate.

I remember this all to well since I owned several investment property at the time. Of course over time they did appreciate, but the fact remains that almost across the board real estate went down.

I think it's safer to say that over the long run real estate will go up, but there have been times where it has gone down.

Xenophage · 08-18-2005, 10:27 PM

I am also starting to think we may be heading to recession in us in the next 6-12 months

Xenophage · 08-23-2005, 09:44 AM

National Association of Realtors , sales of previously owned homes drop 2.6 percent

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050823/wall_street.html?.v=15

The latest snapshot of housing activity suggested that the sizzling housing market may be cooling slightly. Wall Street has been closely watching home sales, worried that the housing boom is nearing its end.

Condos saw the worst hit and also price declines.

Get ready folks I called the top, we are starting to see the cracks now.

I am calling for a recession in the US in the next 6-12 months.

Xenophage · 10-31-2005, 10:04 AM

new mortgage interest deduction rules could really fuck the market they want to reduce the ammount you can deduct from 1 million down to 350K....

John Marco · 11-01-2005, 09:01 PM

What do you guys think about commercial property though? Value is a derivative of the property's income so I can't really see it falling so much.

chaze · 11-01-2005, 09:16 PM

Fuck my house is on the market now, anyoine want to buy it quickly?

montythestrange · 11-02-2005, 07:30 PM

bumpass.......

06-03-2005, 10:43 AM	#151
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06-03-2005, 12:40 PM	#155
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06-29-2005, 01:25 PM	#165
will76 Making $$$$ w/ ClickCash Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 18,037	Didn't long term interest rates just go down ;) Sorry guys no burst soon. I seriouly doubt there will be a burst anyway. Sure it will level off soon, if it hasn't already peaked in most places, but i doubt it will take a huge drop. What is more likely is that as interest ratesslowly creep up (even though the latest long term rates dropped) the market will likely level off and the number of transactions will decline, but the values will hold. There will be less buyers and sellers, not a flood of sellers with no buyers. values could hold at these levels for 5 - 10 years with out going up much. That will be your market correction, it will be over time, not over night. __________________ ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com PROGRAM SHIT LIST - DO NOT PROMOTE (click link for gfy thread) FNCash \| Media Revenue Last edited by will76; 06-29-2005 at 01:27 PM..

06-29-2005, 01:29 PM	#166
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06-29-2005, 01:35 PM	#167
FilthyRob Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Anaheim - CA Posts: 6,741	I am starting to look for my first house before the summer is over. __________________ AKA - Clubsexy

06-03-2005, 12:34 PM	#153
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	Yeah saw the real estate macros that trade as a stock cant wait for them to come out I am gonna start shorting the housing market in vegas so cal and florida.

06-04-2005, 10:18 AM	#157
taibo Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3,720	living in NYC is getting expensive

06-04-2005, 11:21 AM	#158
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	here is anotehr good article http://www.fortune.com/fortune/subs/...066846,00.html

06-04-2005, 11:23 AM	#159
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6765475/ and another

06-04-2005, 11:23 AM	#160
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	http://money.cnn.com/2005/01/13/real...shiller1_0502/ and yet another

06-04-2005, 11:25 AM	#161
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122

06-04-2005, 11:29 AM	#162
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	http://www.usatoday.com/money/books/...uberance_x.htm

06-29-2005, 10:41 AM	#163
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	Instead of buying more real estate i have decided to invest in Reits with more liquidity than actual properties and mroe diversification across the whole country. IYR is an ETF that holds tons of Real estate stocks and pays a nice dividend. And I can get out on the turn of a dime when the bubble starts to fade.

06-29-2005, 01:57 PM	#168
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	Good luck to all.. I just keep thinking JAPAN 25 years and its still under water .. botht he stock market and the housing market. stocks there went to 45,000 and dropped to 10K where they are still at 25 years later.. And housing there is very similr in drop and never has come back. if its too good to be true and it is then its probably not ~!

07-18-2005, 02:33 PM	#171
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	bump cuzz its on teh plate again

07-18-2005, 02:45 PM	#172
High_Times Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 115	I just had a conversation with my dad over the weekend about real estate. He owns properties (rentals in various forms, houses, condos, apartments, etc) and stocks and other shit. His idea is that it is going to be just like in 1989-1991. People will leave the keys on the kitchen table and walk away. Especially the interest only idiots. At that point he is telling me it is time for me to finally buy some real estate, doing it at rock bottom prices. I think I will take his advice and wait another 1 or 2 years to buy a house. He was a working stiff until 1988. When the stock market crashed and the real estate did over the next 3 years, he took money from his other investments and bought up a shitload of real estate for almost nothing down. He is confident it is coming around again.

07-18-2005, 02:47 PM	#173
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	http://www.economist.com/business/Pr...ory_ID=1057057 check this out

07-18-2005, 02:48 PM	#174
High_Times Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 115	Also would like to say thanks to Lars, he has a lot of good advice and isn't affraid to share it.

07-18-2005, 02:54 PM	#175
EroticySteve Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Sunshine State Posts: 4,365	These meteoric rises haven't hit many rural areas, North Carolina is relatively unaffected by the recent increases. Areas were growth is high are areas where supply hasn't caught up with demand and probably never will. New York, LA, Boston and Coastal Florida. In this part of Florida it's hard to find a piece of vacant land. Very little new construction too. __________________ You deserve to make more money. I'll help you do that. Our affiliates earn up to $3/email or $107/sale email steve <at> eroticy.com - icq 290153464

07-18-2005, 02:57 PM	#176
clickhappy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 4,027	I think its starting to slow down in Boston. I saw a news report on houses are taking longer to sell now and sellers are starting to lower their prices. Also my neighborhood rarely has homes for sale, now there are 4, and theyre not selling.

07-18-2005, 03:10 PM	#177
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	It may come sooner... or later, but sure as hell there will be a bust! There are lots of underlying reasons and irrespective of the US or EU - the pattern is the same, tho the US is probably more vulnerable for obvious reasons. One area where there still remains real estate opps is in less highly geared countries and locations where the cocktail party chat does not revolve around real estate. Ask Juicy if he's checked out property in Nicaragua - tho even that is being eaten up! __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

07-20-2005, 11:38 PM	#181
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	I was reading something today on local real estate in sant acruz california looks like we may have already seen the top.

07-20-2005, 11:39 PM	#182
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	Our Opinion of what it means July 2005: The average sales price for June was $880,829, slightly lower than last month?s record of $891,052. The average price went over $800,000 for the first time in March.

07-20-2005, 11:45 PM	#183
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	Santa Clara numbers are out for June now too. Highest average price ever. The average home in San Jose is now $705,000 and let me tell you average isn't much as far as quality of home. __________________

07-23-2005, 07:51 PM	#185
DateDoc Outside looking in. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: To Hell You Ride Posts: 14,243	You can always tell when Lars is home at night because he bumps all his threads. Oh, and I am going to start pushing cams.com. __________________

07-23-2005, 08:08 PM	#188
Screaming I can change this!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 18,972	yikes that is crazy __________________

07-23-2005, 11:48 PM	#190
toddler Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: austin, tx Posts: 1,911	Like everything else, but espcially with real estate: location location location. Guess what, those of us who live in super high appreciation areas buy on interest only, make 300% on the flip, and the govt kicks you back your housepaymant during tax season. Or, if you're smart, start dropping more into a 401(k) or IRAs. Either way, you win. Now..living interest only on a short term ARM in someplace like, er, nebraska, where the appreciate rate is less than 1%...thats dumb. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/zoddler/

08-12-2005, 09:15 PM	#191
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	I am Calling it we have now hit the top Right here Right now !

08-12-2005, 09:36 PM	#192
Paul Welles Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 107	Hey Lars, I am in LA and Homes are going for around 500k to 750 k and this is for nothing too special. Plus with those rates food, gas and everything else is more expensive then other cities A similar home in say portland is 200k to 250k. and so everything there is a little cheaper. What I can't figure out is this? Do people who live in LA really make on average 3 x more then those in Portland or other cities? When you make more you pay more taxes. So really you have to make almost 4x more then an average person in another city. What people have to take a look at is wages and income can everybody make 6K net to pay a $3500 to $4500 mortgage? I mean that is ridiculous to think that everybody is making $120,000 to 300k a year? Something is gonna give real quickly.

08-12-2005, 10:04 PM	#193
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	check the housing stocks. they have already started to give it up.

08-18-2005, 10:27 PM	#195
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	I am also starting to think we may be heading to recession in us in the next 6-12 months

08-23-2005, 09:44 AM	#196
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	National Association of Realtors , sales of previously owned homes drop 2.6 percent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050823/wall_street.html?.v=15 The latest snapshot of housing activity suggested that the sizzling housing market may be cooling slightly. Wall Street has been closely watching home sales, worried that the housing boom is nearing its end. Condos saw the worst hit and also price declines. Get ready folks I called the top, we are starting to see the cracks now. I am calling for a recession in the US in the next 6-12 months.

10-31-2005, 10:04 AM	#197
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	new mortgage interest deduction rules could really fuck the market they want to reduce the ammount you can deduct from 1 million down to 350K....

11-01-2005, 09:01 PM	#198
John Marco Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 912	What do you guys think about commercial property though? Value is a derivative of the property's income so I can't really see it falling so much. __________________ WEBCAMS.COM $42+ PPS or revshare ICQ: 476-111 Google Talk: Webcams.com

11-01-2005, 09:16 PM	#199
chaze Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	Fuck my house is on the market now, anyoine want to buy it quickly?