FSC..Is your new motto now "Show Us The Money!" (Memberships)? - GoFuckYourself.com

Centurion · 06-23-2005, 03:14 PM

"According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DOJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity?s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list.

A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. PST, Saturday June 25, 2005."

This is SO wrong on SO MANY levels! And there is NO way that the DOJ is going to be able to successfully prosecute anyone who is a non-member.

DWB · 06-23-2005, 03:15 PM

Shitty indeed. Hope ya'll paid up.

Centurion · 06-23-2005, 03:16 PM

Any links from any of FSC's attornies about this settlement would be appreciated.

I want to know why the FSC CAVED on this! They could have gotten an injunction today and they know it. That could have led to a fast hearing on the merits and legal standing of these new regs.

But now you are coerced, LITERALLY, into giving money to strangers so you cannot be PROSECUTED/PERSECUTED for about 2 months?

BULLSHIT!

3piece chicken Dinner · 06-23-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

Any links from any of FSC's attornies about this settlement would be appreciated.

I want to know why the FSC CAVED on this! They could have gotten an injunction today and they know it. That could have led to a fast hearing on the merits and legal standing of these new regs.

But now you are coerced, LITERALLY, into giving money to strangers so you cannot be PROSECUTED/PERSECUTED for about 2 months?

BULLSHIT!

Simple solution: Don't join the FSC

1. FSC is a membership based industry organization. If you wanted to be part, I am sure they will let you.

2. You can still call your lawyer and file for your own TRO, and injunction.

3. It is silly to say they are not fighting for everyone. If they are successful in having the law changed or altered THAT will affect everyone.

I think it sucks that people are having an issue with something that is fucking clear. FSC went to court to get a TRO. I am in the FSC so in reality I took steps to get a TRO. Did non FSC members file anything other than a complaint on gfy that they felt like they were having the screws put to 'em.
NO they didn't, and I refuse to believe that people can't afford to join the FSC. 50 bucks thats it.

and the people who don't feel they should have to be a member can wait , and prey that someone else fixes things for them, and that nothing happens in the meantime.

DavieVegas · 06-23-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

Any links from any of FSC's attornies about this settlement would be appreciated.

I want to know why the FSC CAVED on this! They could have gotten an injunction today and they know it. That could have led to a fast hearing on the merits and legal standing of these new regs.

But now you are coerced, LITERALLY, into giving money to strangers so you cannot be PROSECUTED/PERSECUTED for about 2 months?

BULLSHIT!

drama time

Centurion · 06-23-2005, 03:18 PM

For just $300, you too can get special protection from the DOJ for 45 days.

What a deal!

DavieVegas · 06-23-2005, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

Simple solution: Don't join the FSC

1. FSC is a membership based industry organization. If you wanted to be part, I am sure they will let you.

2. You can still call your lawyer and file for your own TRO, and injunction.

3. It is silly to say they are not fighting for everyone. If they are successful in having the law changed or altered THAT will affect everyone.

I think it sucks that people are having an issue with something that is fucking clear. FSC went to court to get a TRO. I am in the FSC so in reality I took steps to get a TRO. Did non FSC members file anything other than a complaint on gfy that they felt like they were having the screws put to 'em.
NO they didn't, and I refuse to believe that people can't afford to join the FSC. 50 bucks thats it.

and the people who don't feel they should have to be a member can wait , and prey that someone else fixes things for them, and that nothing happens in the meantime.

You know what? I call to join the fsc and they tell me to join it will cost me $300 bucks. You say its only $50 bucks. A guy in another thread said it depends on your income. Does anyone fucking know for sure? This is really rediculous.

Centurion · 06-23-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 3piece chicken Dinner

Simple solution: Don't join the FSC

1. FSC is a membership based industry organization. If you wanted to be part, I am sure they will let you.

2. You can still call your lawyer and file for your own TRO, and injunction.

3. It is silly to say they are not fighting for everyone. If they are successful in having the law changed or altered THAT will affect everyone.

I think it sucks that people are having an issue with something that is fucking clear. FSC went to court to get a TRO. I am in the FSC so in reality I took steps to get a TRO. Did non FSC members file anything other than a complaint on gfy that they felt like they were having the screws put to 'em.
NO they didn't, and I refuse to believe that people can't afford to join the FSC. 50 bucks thats it.

and the people who don't feel they should have to be a member can wait , and prey that someone else fixes things for them, and that nothing happens in the meantime.

EVEN SIMPLER POINT! I joined the FSC because I **BELIEVED** that TODAY, June 23rd, 2005, they would FILE AN INJUNCTION against these new regulations.

Show me ANYWHERE where they even HINTED at doing anything else!

At the 11th hour, they did a 180 and simply bought themselves more time supposedly for their membership. This was NOT the original plan!

baddog · 06-23-2005, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

For just $300, you too can get special protection from the DOJ for 45 days.

What a deal!

as an extra added bonus, you will now be known when that 45 days passes

Centurion · 06-23-2005, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

as an extra added bonus, you will now be known when that 45 days passes

How very true..I actually chuckled when I read the part where it said that "At no time will the DOJ KNOW who are the members of the FSC!"

khs · 06-23-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

as an extra added bonus, you will now be known when that 45 days passes

Ha!

8char

DavieVegas · 06-23-2005, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

EVEN SIMPLER POINT! I joined the FSC because I **BELIEVED** that TODAY, June 23rd, 2005, they would FILE AN INJUNCTION against these new regulations.

Show me ANYWHERE where they even HINTED at doing anything else!

At the 11th hour, they did a 180 and simply bought themselves more time supposedly for their membership. This was NOT the original plan!

You and plenty of other people...So many people are going to be pissed because they feel l ike they have waisted money.

Ramster · 06-23-2005, 03:26 PM

It's total BS. I support the FSC but for them to fight for "FREE SPEECH" but it only be for webmasters that paid them is BS. And as already stated good luck prosecuting since it seems to me it'll be discrimination, correct?

Sly · 06-23-2005, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

EVEN SIMPLER POINT! I joined the FSC because I **BELIEVED** that TODAY, June 23rd, 2005, they would FILE AN INJUNCTION against these new regulations.

Show me ANYWHERE where they even HINTED at doing anything else!

At the 11th hour, they did a 180 and simply bought themselves more time supposedly for their membership. This was NOT the original plan!

They set out today to get a TRO, which they basically got. Now they have another month and a half to build their case for an injunction and anything else they can shoot for.

I simply can't believe how many people are pissed off about the news today. In August when they get their injunction, the same people will be pissed off.

Hardlinks · 06-23-2005, 03:28 PM

This should be on some mainstream boards to do with human rights etc.

Ramster · 06-23-2005, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

They set out today to get a TRO, which they basically got. Now they have another month and a half to build their case for an injunction and anything else they can shoot for.

But didn't they already have enough time to build their case? It's not like noone knew this wasn't coming. Why do they need more time?

GigoloJustin · 06-23-2005, 03:35 PM

I don't see the problem. It's costing them a lot of time and money to fight this thing i'm sure. So far, they are doing a better job than anyone else. Can you argue that?

GigoloJustin · 06-23-2005, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramster

It's total BS. I support the FSC but for them to fight for "FREE SPEECH" but it only be for webmasters that paid them is BS. And as already stated good luck prosecuting since it seems to me it'll be discrimination, correct?

If they win, they will have protected EVERYONE.

Then people can start handing out Thank you letters (i'll accept gifts too!) to those of us who have supported them.

3piece chicken Dinner · 06-23-2005, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramster

But didn't they already have enough time to build their case? It's not like noone knew this wasn't coming. Why do they need more time?

I would have agreed with youi a few weeks ago. There was a 35 page document posted on this board last night. Inside that doc was the "battle plan" if you will of the DOJ. If you read this doc you would see the scope in which they view this new legislation is far broader than anyone first imagined.

I'm done tring to explain, I would suggest you read that doc, and consult your lawyer. But I don't think additional time is going to hurt anyone.

Not to mention, even if the DOJ somehow got the FSC members list after that time, We we not all clammoring about being compliant?? Get fucking compliant and dont worry about it. Let the FSC do what they do and hope for the best.

Centurion · 06-23-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

They set out today to get a TRO, which they basically got. Now they have another month and a half to build their case for an injunction and anything else they can shoot for.

I simply can't believe how many people are pissed off about the news today. In August when they get their injunction, the same people will be pissed off.

They didn't get a tro..they got an "agreement" with the doj that the doj would not prosecute fsc members.

You want to tell me that is NOT different from a temporary injunction where the judge hears the arguments for the case by both sides and then renders a decision and/or applies an even longer injunction until a higher court can hear the case? And in this scenario, ALL webmasters would get practical relief from prosecution.

You don't see any difference?

Sarah_Jayne · 06-23-2005, 03:44 PM

i am glad my surfers aren't as hard to get cash out of as other webmasters.

Centurion · 06-23-2005, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramster

But didn't they already have enough time to build their case? It's not like noone knew this wasn't coming. Why do they need more time?

And not to mention this gives the DOJ more time to bolster THEIR case!
If the DOJ thought they could beat this injunction today, do you think they would agreed to this settlement?

Ramster · 06-23-2005, 03:56 PM

Ok, agreed. More time should help and hopefully does as long as it's not the DOJ it's helping.

dig420 · 06-23-2005, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Centurion

For just $300, you too can get special protection from the DOJ for 45 days.

What a deal!

300 for you, 2,000 for some others.

Everybody's got their damn hand out

06-23-2005, 03:14 PM	#1
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	FSC..Is your new motto now "Show Us The Money!" (Memberships)? "According to the stipulation, agreed to and issued as an order of the Court today, the DOJ, will submit any entity it intends to inspect to a Special Master who will then check the entity?s name against a sealed and confidential FSC membership list. The Special Master will be appointed by the Court, with the consent of the parties, and will be under a specific obligation to maintain the confidentiality of the FSC membership list. A master list of members will be submitted to the Special Master on Wednesday June 29, 2005, and will include all FSC members as of 2:00 p.m. PST, Saturday June 25, 2005." This is SO wrong on SO MANY levels! And there is NO way that the DOJ is going to be able to successfully prosecute anyone who is a non-member. __________________

06-23-2005, 03:16 PM	#3
Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	Any links from any of FSC's attornies about this settlement would be appreciated. I want to know why the FSC CAVED on this! They could have gotten an injunction today and they know it. That could have led to a fast hearing on the merits and legal standing of these new regs. But now you are coerced, LITERALLY, into giving money to strangers so you cannot be PROSECUTED/PERSECUTED for about 2 months? BULLSHIT! __________________

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Centurion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SeATtle Posts: 6,033	For just $300, you too can get special protection from the DOJ for 45 days. What a deal! __________________

06-23-2005, 03:26 PM	#13
Ramster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,447	It's total BS. I support the FSC but for them to fight for "FREE SPEECH" but it only be for webmasters that paid them is BS. And as already stated good luck prosecuting since it seems to me it'll be discrimination, correct? __________________ Fcuk Cash - Backroom Casting Couch, ExCoGi, BlackAmbush DarkReach Cash - Top Pornstars & Sites Skype: robmurray999 Email: rob-at-paysitemanagers.com

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DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	Shitty indeed. Hope ya'll paid up.

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GigoloJustin Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 2,244	I don't see the problem. It's costing them a lot of time and money to fight this thing i'm sure. So far, they are doing a better job than anyone else. Can you argue that?

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Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	i am glad my surfers aren't as hard to get cash out of as other webmasters.

06-23-2005, 03:56 PM	#23
Ramster Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,447	Ok, agreed. More time should help and hopefully does as long as it's not the DOJ it's helping. __________________ Fcuk Cash - Backroom Casting Couch, ExCoGi, BlackAmbush DarkReach Cash - Top Pornstars & Sites Skype: robmurray999 Email: rob-at-paysitemanagers.com Last edited by Ramster; 06-23-2005 at 03:58 PM..