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Old 07-13-2005, 05:36 PM   #151
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:37 PM   #152
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:37 PM   #153
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what color thong you bringing to flordia?
A thong would be so far up my butt and hidden in tummy and hip rolls, you wouldn't be able to tell what color it was

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OK, so should us old ugly fat chicks get free passes too? Just want to make sure all of the vaginas are on a level playing field ;)

I was wondering that, too!
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:38 PM   #155
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Yeah, seems kinda fucked that your models get in for free, but yet other peoples models have to pay $$$$ to come in.. Not saying that your girls should not be allowed in free.. but what I am saying is that all girls should be allowed in free if they are models for those that are attending the show..

To me it seems AVN is not listening to their trade demographic... But rather listening to the coins clinking in their pockets....

and changing their OWN rules too...
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then we have...

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I'm aware the rules say that but I have already clarified that if someone shows up at check-in without their badge they will indeed be given one at no extra charge.
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:38 PM   #156
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Thanks for the feedback Ron, you never need to apologize for giving me that.

You're right, I am just the messenger, and I agree with your analogy. KB's wrong in the fact that I came to AVN specifically to listen to webmasters because I didn't think it was happening either. A lot of good changes have happened but I'm not the final word here. I'm passing along this feedback and seeing what can happen but this is a logistical issue that Internext may not want to handle beyond the current solution for evening guests.

Thanks.
When you get Darren Roberts or Paul Fishbein to post on this board I'll believe that Ron's comments were forwarded on.

I don't buy it and furthermore -how come it's ok for the owners of AVN to take your money- and GOUGE you
But neither of the owners can stoop so low as to post on this Chatboard?

Interesting question I raise-
I know I have seen executives and owners from every other porn company online post here

Chris Mallick, Ron C, JB, FM, DVP- etc- Does a company that is notorious for being the " Good Housekeeping Seal" of the adult web, feel they don't need to connect with their audience?

Are the company owners of AV so pompous they cannot address you but rather theyhave Aly get shot in the line of fire?

They suck- and I raised a VERY GOOD POINT.
Do a search for AVN Paul or AVN Darren and see what comes up
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:38 PM   #157
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I just called the hotel and the cheeseburgers are $20 to have delivered to your room. Hope that price doesn't go up.
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:38 PM   #158
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me thinks it an LA porn mafia thing lol
Hehe, must be..

I can just see it now....

"Hi sweety! I'm gonna pay you $500 for showing up to hang out with me, but you gotta use $300 of that to buy your pass. OK????????"

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OK, so should us old ugly fat chicks get free passes too? Just want to make sure all of the vaginas are on a level playing field ;)
LOL.. peaches... your forgetting one thing... You are there to do more than sit around looking pretty and letting a guy grab ass all day long while your at his side..

You are there to network, attend seminars, get things done..

The hired models are there purely for eye candy.. Not there to learn how to be a webmaster or anything like that..they are getting paid a lil money to hang around looking pretty...

LOL... nice try though! As smart people we always have to ask..
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Damn, Cory said I was just going to look pretty and get my ass grabbed by male webmasters I bet he was referring to himself!
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:48 PM   #163
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......So you loose 30-40 registrations this year because you did not collect on a few girls like Naughty Ally or Vanilla. SO WHAT!!!!! This is going to be nothing compared to the hundreds next year of guy webmasters that don?t come because it was the FLORDIA SASUAGE FEST.......
Good point Ron but I keep telling you it's "Naughty Allie", not "Naughty Ally". Allie says she's moving our processing to PayCom if you don't soon start spelling her name correctly!
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Old 07-13-2005, 05:51 PM   #164
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OK, so should us old ugly fat chicks get free passes too? Just want to make sure all of the vaginas are on a level playing field ;)
Hell yea There is somebody for everyone.
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Actually that is something I'm going to do once a month fly out a webmaster promoting us Just to hang and relax and of course all paid for

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh florida love.

i am soooooooo glad i now live down the street from you roger. i'll bring my clearwater girls to mingle with your tampa girls. it will be a beautiful sight.

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Old 07-13-2005, 05:53 PM   #166
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Good point Ron but I keep telling you it's "Naughty Allie", not "Naughty Ally". Allie says she's moving our processing to PayCom if you don't soon start spelling her name correctly!

That is to funny,,, I did it again. Well I just get all flustered when I think of Allie) Please Please tell her to give me one more chance

Can't wait to Cya in a few week.

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LMFAO I want to see a pink one myself
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ohhh damn A1R3K will basically be local at the FL show, i expect honeys everywhere now.
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Thanks for the feedback Ron, you never need to apologize for giving me that.

You're right, I am just the messenger, and I agree with your analogy. KB's wrong in the fact that I came to AVN specifically to listen to webmasters because I didn't think it was happening either. A lot of good changes have happened but I'm not the final word here. I'm passing along this feedback and seeing what can happen but this is a logistical issue that Internext may not want to handle beyond the current solution for evening guests.

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Roger if you're still reading this thread... I think it gets to the point bringing a company to a show (breezies too) where it's more economical to get a good sponsorship package that includes X amount of badges and a decent room discount.

Last August we spent about $10K - $12K going to the show without sponsoring when I could have gotten a tiny booth for $5K and some good discounts and badges.

Then again... I don't take my own advice... seeing how I don't even roll out of bed until the show floor is closed. Maybe in Jan.
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That is to funny,,, I did it again. Well I just get all flustered when I think of Allie) Please Please tell her to give me one more chance

Can't wait to Cya in a few week.

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Alright, she said you have one more chance but if it happens again she's moving to PayCom.

We're both looking forward to seeing you soon and hanging for a while!
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Let?s think about this in night club terms. You have ladies nights where girls get in free and even drink for free so guys will come. NO GIRLS NO GUYS. AVN should take this same approach where ALL girls get a pink badge and are allowed in FREE. So you loose 30-40 registrations this year because you did not collect on a few girls like Naughty Ally or Vanilla. SO WHAT!!!!! This is going to be nothing compared to the hundreds next year of guy webmasters that don?t come because it was the FLORDIA SASUAGE FEST
spoken like a true nightclub promoter. thats the name of the game. i do nightclub shows with artists that cost me 50-100k sometimes, you have to show the women love or they will not go. you get the money back on the bar and the back end. 10k in free badges could cost you 30-40k in bar sales alone over a 4 day period if theres no ass to entertain people.

straight up. sometimes my guestlist is 500 free girls and 1500 paid people at 20 bucks. thats just how it works. let em in or suffer the consequences long term. this is mentality thing not an avn thing. psychology. i would never stay anywhere longer than 20 minutes without the place being full of hot chicks.

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Thanks for the feedback Ron, you never need to apologize for giving me that.

You're right, I am just the messenger, and I agree with your analogy. KB's wrong in the fact that I came to AVN specifically to listen to webmasters because I didn't think it was happening either. A lot of good changes have happened but I'm not the final word here. I'm passing along this feedback and seeing what can happen but this is a logistical issue that Internext may not want to handle beyond the current solution for evening guests.

Thanks.

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I will never be a person that will just make a suggestion without a way to implement it. Let every webmaster that pays get a handful of PINK Talent Passes. These are for FEMALES ONLY. Everyone will know that webmasters and webmisteress should not have one of these badges. Do you really think NAUGHTY ALLIE (spelled correctly LOL) would be caught dead walking around with a badge that says I can not afford admission.

AVN gets its money, we all get see some HOT Flordia Girls laying around by the pool. WIN/WIN

PROBLEM SOLVED

If I have to look at SLEAZY Topless in the pool and that is what is considered EYE CANDY for 3 days. LOL I will be sending you my Therapy Bills for sure.
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Alot of good changes?

Like What Aly?

Now that makes me curious.
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"If I have to look at SLEAZY Topless in the pool and that is what is considered EYE CANDY for 3 days. LOL I will be sending you my Therapy Bills for sure."

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I know you are just the messenger but as a Sponsor I have to speak out about this issues.

First of all you have moved this event to a pool side get together instead of a true tradeshow. Personally I think that was a great move, but now that you are going to charge girls $300.00 per to attend you will eliminate a large amount of the eye candy. That webmasters like Roger, LA Mike, JB, might have brought. So now you have a Pool Party
With no girls????????

Let?s think about this in night club terms. You have ladies nights where girls get in free and even drink for free so guys will come. NO GIRLS NO GUYS. AVN should take this same approach where ALL girls get a pink badge and are allowed in FREE. So you loose 30-40 registrations this year because you did not collect on a few girls like Naughty Ally or Vanilla. SO WHAT!!!!! This is going to be nothing compared to the hundreds next year of guy webmasters that don?t come because it was the FLORDIA SASUAGE FEST

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How long do you think 600 drunk guys are going to stay at an on site party with no girls before they break into small groups and start heading to South Beach. Now as a sponsor we have lost all that time to NETWORK (why you go to the show to start with)

ANSWER About 1 hr

RESULT: We down size our Staff orr not attend this event next year.


BAD MOVED, but in KB words nobody at AVN is listening to the people they are throwing the show for in the first place?????


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I will never be a person that will just make a suggestion without a way to implement it. Let every webmaster that pays get a handful of PINK Talent Passes. These are for FEMALES ONLY. Everyone will know that webmasters and webmisteress should not have one of these badges. Do you really think NAUGHTY ALLIE (spelled correctly LOL) would be caught dead walking around with a badge that says I can not afford admission.

AVN gets its money, we all get see some HOT Flordia Girls laying around by the pool. WIN/WIN

PROBLEM SOLVED

If I have to look at SLEAZY Topless in the pool and that is what is considered EYE CANDY for 3 days. LOL I will be sending you my Therapy Bills for sure.
damn - that's why CCBill is still in the biz - you're smart
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.....NAUGHTY ALLIE (spelled correctly LOL).....
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How long do you think 600 drunk guys are going to stay at an on site party with no girls before they break into small groups and start heading to South Beach. Now as a sponsor we have lost all that time to NETWORK (why you go to the show to start with)
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Roger if you're still reading this thread... I think it gets to the point bringing a company to a show (breezies too) where it's more economical to get a good sponsorship package that includes X amount of badges and a decent room discount.

Last August we spent about $10K - $12K going to the show without sponsoring when I could have gotten a tiny booth for $5K and some good discounts and badges.

Then again... I don't take my own advice... seeing how I don't even roll out of bed until the show floor is closed. Maybe in Jan.
That was the problem I was never at the booth. I do better when i have 4 girls hangin around I have to keep my image ya know

the problem is not letting girls in free to the hotel or poolside and maybe parties.

I bought badges already for networking the show floor. I know girls in Miami and I'm not going to pay $300 for them to hang out at the pool etc.

Nice seeing you on boards lately though
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I will never be a person that will just make a suggestion without a way to implement it. Let every webmaster that pays get a handful of PINK Talent Passes. These are for FEMALES ONLY. Everyone will know that webmasters and webmisteress should not have one of these badges. Do you really think NAUGHTY ALLIE (spelled correctly LOL) would be caught dead walking around with a badge that says I can not afford admission.

AVN gets its money, we all get see some HOT Flordia Girls laying around by the pool. WIN/WIN

PROBLEM SOLVED

If I have to look at SLEAZY Topless in the pool and that is what is considered EYE CANDY for 3 days. LOL I will be sending you my Therapy Bills for sure.
Oh hell you crack me up

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I was going to use the same nite club example. LOL

I just feel screwed when I have to pay them to have girls hang out. if they walk the show floor with me no prob.. I bought badges for that.

Anyway hope your doing well and look forward to partying with you next month.

You know how we roll .LOL and how many Miami girls we know


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We have to get this fixed. Just think you bring the only 4 girls to the pool. These girls will take one look around and RUN!!!!!!!!!!! Girls love to be in GROUPS. they will not sit at a pool with 800 WEBMASTERS. Now you are out $1200 and you did not even get laid. Roger will be a very grumpy boy and we will have to take him to South Beach to find more, But wait you will have to get a Room in South Beach because you can NOT bring any them back to the hotel without a badge.

This is truly a big problem. LOL

Can't wait to see you in a few weeks

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Old 07-13-2005, 06:20 PM   #189
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh florida love.

i am soooooooo glad i now live down the street from you roger. i'll bring my clearwater girls to mingle with your tampa girls. it will be a beautiful sight.

It's a beautiful thing. can't wait to fly some webmasters out and feel like a rockstar.

You got a taste of it
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:20 PM   #190
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That was the problem I was never at the booth. I do better when i have 4 girls hangin around I have to keep my image ya know

the problem is not letting girls in free to the hotel or poolside and maybe parties.

I bought badges already for networking the show floor. I know girls in Miami and I'm not going to pay $300 for them to hang out at the pool etc.

Nice seeing you on boards lately though
Hey Roger, I'll make you a deal. Allie and I will pay for your girls passes (bring as many as you like)! You can keep them all day at the pool and at night at the clubs as long as you send them up to our room when you return to the hotel each night.

Seriously though, you've got a very valid point. As a loyal advertiser with AVN I hope they'll see that they're way off base on this one and implement something along the lines of what Ron has suggested.

I just think they're trying to make the show more productive for everyone and they didn't really foresee this particular issue. Now that it's been raised I would certainly hope that they respond to it appropriately. An ADULT tradeshow without eye candy isn't really an ADULT tradeshow now is it?
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:23 PM   #191
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Everytime my bro and I tried to promote a POOL PARTY in South Florida for one of these shows we had disastrous outcomes-
It's why you won't see a PLayers Ball anywhere near that event any more-
ahahaha

My reasons go way deeper then the disastrous outcomes (assuming you mean the weather raining out the pool party every time in Florida).

RonC made ncredible posts as a sponsor of their event, great points and insight.
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:23 PM   #192
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We have to get this fixed. Just think you bring the only 4 girls to the pool. These girls will take one look around and RUN!!!!!!!!!!! Girls love to be in GROUPS. they will not sit at a pool with 800 WEBMASTERS. Now you are out $1200 and you did not even get laid. Roger will be a very grumpy boy and we will have to take him to South Beach to find more, But wait you will have to get a Room in South Beach because you can NOT bring any them back to the hotel without a badge.

This is truly a big problem. LOL

Can't wait to see you in a few weeks

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Very True!! I'm trying. thanks for your help. Can you see us without any girls around what will we do?

I love ya but I'm not rubbing sun tan lotion on your back Jesus

I will pay for 4 but not more..

BTW how many girls you bringin?
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:27 PM   #193
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Stewie, Roger V, Jake

I have a great idea for a new site. thewalkofshame.com

We set up a cam and Video and bill for this.

IDEA
Just imagine drunk webmasters explaining to some girl they just meet tonight why they have to go over to the 24hr AVN ticket table and buy a $300
"Walk of Shame" badge so they can bring them up to the room. ROFLMAO

KB is right there is going to be some really bad drunk Webmaster/Security guard conflicts over this at night.


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Old 07-13-2005, 06:29 PM   #194
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Roger, you got that award winning Pimp Hand going super strong in that heat down there Pimpin'.

Imagine Roger and Ron with only 4 ladies around them. Takes at least 6 of them to correctly apply the sun tan lotion.

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Old 07-13-2005, 06:29 PM   #195
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Stewie, Roger V, Jake

I have a great idea for a new site. thewalkofshame.com

We set up a cam and Video and bill for this.

IDEA
Just imagine drunk webmasters explaining to some girl they just meet tonight why they have to go over to the 24hr AVN ticket table and buy a $300
"Walk of Shame" badge so they can bring them up to the room. ROFLMAO

KB is right there is going to be some really bad drunk Webmaster/Security guard conflicts over this at night.


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oh my fucking god - i almost fell out of my chair laughing thinking about this.

thank god i'm staying off site
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:36 PM   #196
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Stewie, Roger V, Jake

I have a great idea for a new site. thewalkofshame.com

We set up a cam and Video and bill for this.

IDEA
Just imagine drunk webmasters explaining to some girl they just meet tonight why they have to go over to the 24hr AVN ticket table and buy a $300
"Walk of Shame" badge so they can bring them up to the room. ROFLMAO

KB is right there is going to be some really bad drunk Webmaster/Security guard conflicts over this at night.


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ROFLMAO, Great idea Ron.

But I have the solution to this mess. CANCEL, I say CANCEL everything and come up to Gimli manitoba at the Sleazz Mansion.

The Icelandic festival is on and they actually pay us to hang around with there girls...

Seriously can you ask for more ???

Been a long time man, hope all his well with you and see you in AZ pretty soon ;-)
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Stewie, Roger V, Jake

I have a great idea for a new site. thewalkofshame.com

We set up a cam and Video and bill for this.

IDEA
Just imagine drunk webmasters explaining to some girl they just meet tonight why they have to go over to the 24hr AVN ticket table and buy a $300
"Walk of Shame" badge so they can bring them up to the room. ROFLMAO

KB is right there is going to be some really bad drunk Webmaster/Security guard conflicts over this at night.


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Great idea Ron! I'll have my camera there anyway, I'll video the entire thing each night and I'll handle all the post production. You set-up the processing and the DRM on your end and we can charge $300.00 for a pay-per-view dowload. We'll split the profits 50/50. What do ya think?
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Old 07-13-2005, 06:37 PM   #198
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Stewie, Roger V, Jake

I have a great idea for a new site. thewalkofshame.com

We set up a cam and Video and bill for this.

IDEA
Just imagine drunk webmasters explaining to some girl they just meet tonight why they have to go over to the 24hr AVN ticket table and buy a $300
"Walk of Shame" badge so they can bring them up to the room. ROFLMAO

KB is right there is going to be some really bad drunk Webmaster/Security guard conflicts over this at night.


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Old 07-13-2005, 06:37 PM   #199
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spoken like a true nightclub promoter. thats the name of the game. i do nightclub shows with artists that cost me 50-100k sometimes, you have to show the women love or they will not go. you get the money back on the bar and the back end. 10k in free badges could cost you 30-40k in bar sales alone over a 4 day period if theres no ass to entertain people.

straight up. sometimes my guestlist is 500 free girls and 1500 paid people at 20 bucks. thats just how it works. let em in or suffer the consequences long term. this is mentality thing not an avn thing. psychology. i would never stay anywhere longer than 20 minutes without the place being full of hot chicks.

my 2 cents.
i am a fan of AVN and the Internext shows. I don't blame them for wanting to make a buck. I think they provide a quality service. Everyone talks about making it better but no one does it on the scale they do for the price.

But...

I really have to agree with the wisdom of what A1r3k is saying here...except one thing to consider is that Internext is not just catering to the straight market they also are attracting the gay site biz as well so gay talent would have to get the same benefit.

What roger was saying makes sense to allow a discount for "talent" badges which they do for the AVN awards show... but the problem there is that people will take advantage of that and try to say everyone is "talent". Who is set up to monitor that? Aly knows a lot of people but she doesn't know everyone and that would be an impossible task for her ultimately.

Rock and a hard place folks. No need to slam AVN or Internext for trying to make money at the same time as making the best of a difficult situation.
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holy shit, i never even thought about webmasters hitting south beach and trying to bring girlsw back after partying....LOL....getting the slap down by some beefed up lackey of avn
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