at what point did you realize everyone shaves, that no matter what a sale is 20 bucks - GoFuckYourself.com

brand0n · 08-17-2005, 07:35 AM

when did this dawn on you?

Fletch XXX · 08-17-2005, 07:36 AM

6 seconds before i reasd this thread

brand0n · 08-17-2005, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

6 seconds before i reasd this thread

glad i could be of some help

bigdog · 08-17-2005, 07:40 AM

i hight doubt shaving is as widespread as some people would think, you would have to keep a lot of programmers happy so they don't spill the beans

TurboAngel · 08-17-2005, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX

6 seconds before i reasd this thread

brand0n · 08-17-2005, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bigdog

i hight doubt shaving is as widespread as some people would think, you would have to keep a lot of programmers happy so they don't spill the beans

ndas work perfectly for this

Mack · 08-17-2005, 07:54 AM

brand0n, I'd love to earn your business and change your perception enough for you to not have to use the word "everyone" in your post title.

Donny · 08-17-2005, 07:58 AM

I shave every morning. I don't see what my shower habits have to do with sales, though...

Theo · 08-17-2005, 08:02 AM

long time ago

well a sale is not always $20, but with shitty paysites it barely reach that and the shave-o-metter goes crazy.

nexcom28 · 08-17-2005, 08:02 AM

Everyone shaves..

Tam · 08-17-2005, 08:21 AM

I honestly don't think all of them do, but I do think there are several that do. I KNOW of some that did/do...... lmao

But seriously, I think there are probably more than we think that do shave, but I don't think anyone respectable would pull something like this and risk getting blasted, and we ALL know, if you do, you will get caught sooner or later.

Believe it or not, there ARE some out there in this industry that do run an honest business and can't even get their heads around cheating anyone. ;)

JD · 08-17-2005, 08:22 AM

When I started/stopped promoting Epic....those fuckers shave at like 40%

StuartD · 08-17-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tam

Believe it or not, there ARE some out there in this industry that do run an honest business and can't even get their heads around cheating anyone. ;)

I could so totally have so much money right now if I could just bring myself to lower my values a little.... but I can't

Snake Doctor · 08-17-2005, 08:31 AM

I make $30 per sign up with Naughty America (revshare of course) and I can guarantee you there is no shaving.

jollyperv · 08-17-2005, 08:32 AM

Tam · 08-17-2005, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

I could so totally have so much money right now if I could just bring myself to lower my values a little.... but I can't

Yup, I know exactly what you mean.... but I'd rather be poor or not AS well off than to cheat anyone. I kinda like sleeping at night....

JD · 08-17-2005, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jollyperv

wtf? Where's that from????????????

mrkris · 08-17-2005, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jollyperv

So that works out to 50% "%" ?

Dalai lama · 08-17-2005, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

wtf? Where's that from????????????

fake, anyone can make that. even in paint

King Porn · 08-17-2005, 09:45 AM

I could only hope that most sponsors, at least the big boys don't shave.

SixNine · 08-17-2005, 09:49 AM

SoulCash doesn't shave and you can test it all you'd like.
Get started with this:
http://jizzlickers.com/t1/cfree=gfy/

SixNine

jollyperv · 08-18-2005, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dalai lama

fake, anyone can make that. even in paint

I wish it was fake. This is a screen capture, and no I will not tell anyone where it is from.

baddog · 08-18-2005, 12:21 AM

I know FlyntDigital and Adult Paymaster are not shaving me

eroswebmaster · 08-18-2005, 12:22 AM

I pray for the day that the DOJ busts some heads on shaving.

Time to go sacrifice yet another goat, maybe tomorrow the gods will answer my prayers.

CDSmith · 08-18-2005, 12:25 AM

I found it funny that a few of my really old sponsors, ones that I had just let the rebills run out over time on, had shaved me my one remaining rebill a few times. It's like you have one lone rebill month after month... then suddenly one month goes by and no rebill. You think "that's it, no more cheques from that sponsor".... then the next month that lone rebill is magically back again. :D

Shaved!

Hey, gotta laugh over that.

Digipimp · 08-18-2005, 12:29 AM

i wouldn't say all of them do it, but i'd put it at about 80% at the least. if you even look at it logically, when sales dry up on one particular sponsor for nearly everyone at the same time, are the odds in favor of all the surfers quitting buying at once from that one sponsor, or the sponsor is just shaving a little harder. obviously anyone with half a brain can see that thousands and thousands of surfers don't all get together to conspire to make your ratios double for only a limited amout of time.

jayeff · 08-18-2005, 12:33 AM

I can just about count on one hand the number of solid exposures I have seen over the past 9 years. So assuming there are people from time to time who have real evidence, they must either think it gives them an edge of some kind to keep it to themselves or else they are too scared to show it. Either way they help the thieves keep operating and sit back while webmasters go on getting screwed.

Most shaving complaints aren't near as clear-cut and if one ever looks like it might be taken seriously, the sponsor usually has enough friends, etc to come along and rubbish whoever is complaining.

will76 · 08-18-2005, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by brand0n

when did this dawn on you?

if you think they all shave then what does it matter. it's a even playing field (they all do it).

If you think about this for more then one second you are wasting you time.

Send traffic, make checks, stick with company that makes you the most money. Worry about stuff you can control. period.

jollyperv · 08-18-2005, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

if you think they all shave then what does it matter. it's a even playing field (they all do it).

If you think about this for more then one second you are wasting you time.

Send traffic, make checks, stick with company that makes you the most money. Worry about stuff you can control. period.

Very well said.

flashfire · 08-18-2005, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76

if you think they all shave then what does it matter. it's a even playing field (they all do it).

If you think about this for more then one second you are wasting you time.

Send traffic, make checks, stick with company that makes you the most money. Worry about stuff you can control. period.

fuck that! statments like that are why programs shave

Snake Doctor · 08-19-2005, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by flashfire

fuck that! statments like that are why programs shave

No, webmasters chasing high payouts are why programs shave.

If you had a shave proof program (dunno how you'd do that but if it were possible) and you paid $20 per signup, nobody would send you traffic.

Open a program with custom coded affiliate software that has a built in shave feature, and offer webmasters $40 per signup, and everyone and their brother sends traffic.

If you pay an honest $20 per signup nobody sends traffic....if you shave half the sales and pay $40 per signup everyone sends traffic.
If you're a program owner which one do you do? Do you sit on your soapbox and scream that the companies with higher payouts are shaving......while you go bankrupt?
Or do you play the game by the same rules as everyone else and make money?

pornguy · 08-19-2005, 09:01 PM

I would not say all, We dont. But I will agree that MOST do.

Pornwolf · 08-19-2005, 09:25 PM

This business should step back and allow a little more honesty into it.

detoxed · 08-19-2005, 09:48 PM

What an idiot, everyone DOES NOT SHAVE. Bottom line, not everyone shaves, some do, some dont. Think what you want, but most of the people accusing of shaving are wrong.

bhutocracy · 08-19-2005, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

No, webmasters chasing high payouts are why programs shave.

If you had a shave proof program (dunno how you'd do that but if it were possible) and you paid $20 per signup, nobody would send you traffic.

Open a program with custom coded affiliate software that has a built in shave feature, and offer webmasters $40 per signup, and everyone and their brother sends traffic.

If you pay an honest $20 per signup nobody sends traffic....if you shave half the sales and pay $40 per signup everyone sends traffic.
If you're a program owner which one do you do? Do you sit on your soapbox and scream that the companies with higher payouts are shaving......while you go bankrupt?
Or do you play the game by the same rules as everyone else and make money?

nah.. you offer $30.. earn a good amount of honest money even if it's not as much as you can get shaving.

bhutocracy · 08-19-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NichePay - StuartD

I could so totally have so much money right now if I could just bring myself to lower my values a little.... but I can't

aye.. it probably wouldn't be worth it though.. someone would eventually find out and you'd be fucked for short term gain.

Snake Doctor · 08-19-2005, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bhutocracy

nah.. you offer $30.. earn a good amount of honest money even if it's not as much as you can get shaving.

Boy, that wasn't a self serving statement now was it?

3piece chicken Dinner · 08-19-2005, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayeff

I can just about count on one hand the number of solid exposures I have seen over the past 9 years. So assuming there are people from time to time who have real evidence, they must either think it gives them an edge of some kind to keep it to themselves or else they are too scared to show it. Either way they help the thieves keep operating and sit back while webmasters go on getting screwed.

Most shaving complaints aren't near as clear-cut and if one ever looks like it might be taken seriously, the sponsor usually has enough friends, etc to come along and rubbish whoever is complaining.

yeah, listen to jayeff he is a "stand up guy"

bhutocracy · 08-19-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by flashfire

fuck that! statments like that are why programs shave

No its not, don't be ridiculous.. programs shave to offer high payouts their sites can't sustain and because they're greedy.. will's statement is just fucking commonsense. If you aren't tracking outbound clicks against your payouts and using that as your only barometer then you're not really doing your job in looking after your income and protecting yourself against shavers in the first place.

woj · 08-19-2005, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

i wouldn't say all of them do it, but i'd put it at about 80% at the least. if you even look at it logically, when sales dry up on one particular sponsor for nearly everyone at the same time, are the odds in favor of all the surfers quitting buying at once from that one sponsor, or the sponsor is just shaving a little harder. obviously anyone with half a brain can see that thousands and thousands of surfers don't all get together to conspire to make your ratios double for only a limited amout of time.

CC processors have a lot do with it too... I've seen that myself, one week you get a lot of sales, the next week you get half, and I know for a fact that that sponsor doesn't shave... Whenever someone sees a dip in sales they always jump to conclusion that it's shaving, when in reality most of the time it's hardened scrubbing on the processor's end or some other issue...

bhutocracy · 08-19-2005, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

Boy, that wasn't a self serving statement now was it?

heheheheh. I missed the edit time window to put the smiley in I meant to

.
c'mon how often do i spam?! heh.

bhutocracy · 08-19-2005, 10:36 PM

In response to the topic... it's kinda weird.. You are told from the first time you get in the industry that everyone shaves so when you finally get your own program and vow to run it honestly and it starts working and earning money without it.. theres kinda a half surprised feeling that you're keeping everything covered and paid out and a proud but resigned feeling that you're not making mega amounts of free cash. You can almost detect the tone behind some of the posts from some small/med program owners... (because they are less likely to use reps) or at least i think i've picked up that vibe.. whether it's just my imagination or not.

Even though i still expect most people to shave, it's not until to run your own program that you realise it might not be as widespread as you think and there probably is a whole bunch of legit people out there doing ok...

Plus really I think there are a bunch of people that value their ratios and would rather use low ratios to get more webmasters and more money rather than shaving for it.. also the fact that getting caught even just for one single solitary shaved sale would fuck your credibility up forever in an intangible industry where almost all you have is the value of your word.

VeriSexy · 08-19-2005, 10:38 PM

They all shave so find a sponsor that makes you the most money is the hard part. I miss fatpockets

Matt_WildCash · 08-19-2005, 10:43 PM

Shaving is overhyped, if your smart you don't need to shave to pay out $30-35 per signup, its a numbers game and the big boys know how to make it work.

I can pay out $25-30 on $1 trials all day any day on my program Wildcash.com and there is no shaving required, just a well oiled machine that took me 2 years to master.

Shaving is overhyped, cause if your shaving peoples sales then your sites aren't going to be converting for them so great, so they will stop promoting you. Thats a simple fact.

fuzebox · 08-19-2005, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

When I started/stopped promoting Epic....those fuckers shave at like 40%

Uhhhh... ok....

GigoloJustin · 08-19-2005, 11:18 PM

At what point did everyone realize that Brand0n is a moron?

GigoloJustin · 08-19-2005, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt_WC

Shaving is overhyped, if your smart you don't need to shave to pay out $30-35 per signup, its a numbers game and the big boys know how to make it work.

I can pay out $25-30 on $1 trials all day any day on my program Wildcash.com and there is no shaving required, just a well oiled machine that took me 2 years to master.

Shaving is overhyped, cause if your shaving peoples sales then your sites aren't going to be converting for them so great, so they will stop promoting you. Thats a simple fact.

Well said.

Brand0n

There are a lot of things of ways to maximize your profits if you're smart and innovative.
Shaving your webmaster would decrease your traffic. Any full time webmaster should know what to expect from their traffic. If it?s not performing properly, it will pulled and sent else where.

Why bite the hand that feeds you?

Adulterate · 08-19-2005, 11:48 PM

I just figured this out this last two years or so

Mr. Soul · 08-20-2005, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeriSexy

They all shave so find a sponsor that makes you the most money is the hard part. I miss fatpockets

Same with me, fatpockets paid for my beach house.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-20-2005, 01:35 AM

i dont think muslims or french women shave..

08-17-2005, 07:35 AM	#1
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08-17-2005, 08:21 AM	#11
Tam Rude Bitch Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,492	I honestly don't think all of them do, but I do think there are several that do. I KNOW of some that did/do...... lmao But seriously, I think there are probably more than we think that do shave, but I don't think anyone respectable would pull something like this and risk getting blasted, and we ALL know, if you do, you will get caught sooner or later. Believe it or not, there ARE some out there in this industry that do run an honest business and can't even get their heads around cheating anyone. ;) __________________ Get in Touch on Telegram if you need a hardworker - (since 1999)

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08-18-2005, 12:22 AM	#24
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08-17-2005, 07:40 AM	#4
bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	i hight doubt shaving is as widespread as some people would think, you would have to keep a lot of programmers happy so they don't spill the beans

08-17-2005, 07:54 AM	#7
Mack Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,017	brand0n, I'd love to earn your business and change your perception enough for you to not have to use the word "everyone" in your post title.

08-17-2005, 07:58 AM	#8
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	I shave every morning. I don't see what my shower habits have to do with sales, though...

08-17-2005, 08:02 AM	#9
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	long time ago well a sale is not always $20, but with shitty paysites it barely reach that and the shave-o-metter goes crazy.

08-17-2005, 08:02 AM	#10
nexcom28 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,716	Everyone shaves..

08-17-2005, 08:22 AM	#12
JD Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 22,651	When I started/stopped promoting Epic....those fuckers shave at like 40%

08-17-2005, 08:31 AM	#14
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	I make $30 per sign up with Naughty America (revshare of course) and I can guarantee you there is no shaving.

08-17-2005, 08:32 AM	#15
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08-17-2005, 09:49 AM	#21
SixNine Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Sea Town Posts: 1,357	SoulCash doesn't shave and you can test it all you'd like. Get started with this: http://jizzlickers.com/t1/cfree=gfy/ SixNine

08-18-2005, 12:21 AM	#23
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	I know FlyntDigital and Adult Paymaster are not shaving me

08-18-2005, 12:25 AM	#25
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I found it funny that a few of my really old sponsors, ones that I had just let the rebills run out over time on, had shaved me my one remaining rebill a few times. It's like you have one lone rebill month after month... then suddenly one month goes by and no rebill. You think "that's it, no more cheques from that sponsor".... then the next month that lone rebill is magically back again. :D Shaved! Hey, gotta laugh over that. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

08-18-2005, 12:29 AM	#26
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	i wouldn't say all of them do it, but i'd put it at about 80% at the least. if you even look at it logically, when sales dry up on one particular sponsor for nearly everyone at the same time, are the odds in favor of all the surfers quitting buying at once from that one sponsor, or the sponsor is just shaving a little harder. obviously anyone with half a brain can see that thousands and thousands of surfers don't all get together to conspire to make your ratios double for only a limited amout of time. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

08-18-2005, 12:33 AM	#27
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	I can just about count on one hand the number of solid exposures I have seen over the past 9 years. So assuming there are people from time to time who have real evidence, they must either think it gives them an edge of some kind to keep it to themselves or else they are too scared to show it. Either way they help the thieves keep operating and sit back while webmasters go on getting screwed. Most shaving complaints aren't near as clear-cut and if one ever looks like it might be taken seriously, the sponsor usually has enough friends, etc to come along and rubbish whoever is complaining.

08-19-2005, 09:01 PM	#32
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08-19-2005, 09:25 PM	#33
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08-19-2005, 09:48 PM	#34
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	What an idiot, everyone DOES NOT SHAVE. Bottom line, not everyone shaves, some do, some dont. Think what you want, but most of the people accusing of shaving are wrong.

08-19-2005, 10:36 PM	#42
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	In response to the topic... it's kinda weird.. You are told from the first time you get in the industry that everyone shaves so when you finally get your own program and vow to run it honestly and it starts working and earning money without it.. theres kinda a half surprised feeling that you're keeping everything covered and paid out and a proud but resigned feeling that you're not making mega amounts of free cash. You can almost detect the tone behind some of the posts from some small/med program owners... (because they are less likely to use reps) or at least i think i've picked up that vibe.. whether it's just my imagination or not. Even though i still expect most people to shave, it's not until to run your own program that you realise it might not be as widespread as you think and there probably is a whole bunch of legit people out there doing ok... Plus really I think there are a bunch of people that value their ratios and would rather use low ratios to get more webmasters and more money rather than shaving for it.. also the fact that getting caught even just for one single solitary shaved sale would fuck your credibility up forever in an intangible industry where almost all you have is the value of your word.

08-19-2005, 10:38 PM	#43
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08-19-2005, 10:43 PM	#44
Matt_WildCash Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,699	Shaving is overhyped, if your smart you don't need to shave to pay out $30-35 per signup, its a numbers game and the big boys know how to make it work. I can pay out $25-30 on $1 trials all day any day on my program Wildcash.com and there is no shaving required, just a well oiled machine that took me 2 years to master. Shaving is overhyped, cause if your shaving peoples sales then your sites aren't going to be converting for them so great, so they will stop promoting you. Thats a simple fact.

08-19-2005, 11:18 PM	#46
GigoloJustin Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 2,244	At what point did everyone realize that Brand0n is a moron?

08-19-2005, 11:48 PM	#48
Adulterate Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 134	I just figured this out this last two years or so

08-20-2005, 01:35 AM	#50
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	i dont think muslims or french women shave.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com