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Tanker · 08-17-2005, 11:11 AM

Thank you JFK

hopefully our hectic schedules will calm soon and we can drive out to Oshawa and have some more of your wifes really good cooking!

Princess Ellisa · 08-17-2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

Tanker and Ellisa ,best of luck with your new venture

Thanks JFK! And for all of you who had a chance to come out to our party in florida be sure to check out the kickass pics that JFK took for us!

http://fubarwebmasters.com/current/miami05/cw/cw1.htm

TheLegacy · 08-17-2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vicki

I normally wouldn't post in a thread like this but ....

Tanker you have been around for eons and have well EARNED the respect you have.
Thats a hard thing in this biz as you well know.
You won't loose that respect from anyone who know you and your ethics.

Those that would think twice about not doing business with you simply because of unfounded rumors is NOT worth your time.

I say take a deep breath and go for a relaxing dinner with Ellisa
this too shall pass sunshine

*hugs*

wise words - tanker and ellisa are awesome people, this isnt going to effect them at all business wise - but personally I hope they understand there is alot of love out there and they will know it

Anthony · 08-17-2005, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kBizzle

It's always a treat when Players meet-
You know how many deals have gone down at Player's Affairs-
Some of the biggest deals in adult online industry have gone down at Players Balls.

One thing about us Blatt Bros that no one can deny-
We have networked ourselves better than anyone in this business- we know everybody- and I am not lying.

This will be evidenced once people see my reality tv show and see what goes on the week of a Players Ball- and who comes out of the woodwork.

Anthony tell Jeff he is on the right train, but on the wrong track- if he knew better, he'd DO better
Ain't no party like a Blatt Brother Party cause a Blatt Brother party don't stop!

A Players Affair is like Haley's Comet
It comes around every once in a while, and not many people get to see it or be part of it-

PIMP PIMP HOORAY Macdaddybucks.com rules.

For a moment KB, I read this post and you were black, and sounded like a Baptist Minister!

Thanks for the props.

Rob · 08-17-2005, 11:13 AM

Just out of curiousity, why was the original thread title changed to not show real names?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-17-2005, 11:13 AM

This thread needs a pic.

Princess Ellisa · 08-17-2005, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighOnAcid

Just out of curiousity, why was the original thread title changed to not show real names?

Obviously it was changed for a reason. So we won't repeat that.

Princess Ellisa · 08-17-2005, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienQ

This thread needs a pic.

Now that there is just funny i don't care who you are... Git 'r done!

Rui · 08-17-2005, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Obviously it was changed for a reason. So we won't repeat that.

It actualy made me curious about it and wanting to research about it lol

TheGoldenChild · 08-17-2005, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

For a moment KB, I read this post and you were black, and sounded like a Baptist Minister!

Thanks for the props.

Chuuuuuch!

Tanker · 08-17-2005, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighOnAcid

Just out of curiousity, why was the original thread title changed to not show real names?

the names I used in the title were not even his real names

unless his moms name is on his ID and CC

ronaldo · 08-17-2005, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony

For a moment KB, I read this post and you were black

KB's NOT black??

Sly · 08-17-2005, 11:25 AM

This really can't be a proper drama thread without an opposing party.

Lensman · 08-17-2005, 11:26 AM

I'm glad Tanker has cleared his reputation. But why does he have to keep telling us how good he is?

BTW, gaytanker.com is still for sale. I'm taking offers.

Rui · 08-17-2005, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

This really can't be a proper drama thread without an opposing party.

seems like the "opposing" part is more into doing backstabbing and semi-flames without directly approach the issue...

TheGoldenChild · 08-17-2005, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronaldo

KB's NOT black??

"You mean I am going to stay this color??"

- Steve Martin
The Jerk

Thumbking · 08-17-2005, 11:28 AM

wow

TheGoldenChild · 08-17-2005, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman

I'm glad Tanker has cleared his reputation. But why does he have to keep telling us how good he is?

BTW, gaytanker.com is still for sale. I'm taking offers.

For the same reason I keep telling everyone how great I am and how I am always right-

It draws the haters-
and promotes our companies better than any ad can ever do

Princess Ellisa · 08-17-2005, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman

I'm glad Tanker has cleared his reputation. But why does he have to keep telling us how good he is?

BTW, gaytanker.com is still for sale. I'm taking offers.

LMAO I always wondered who owned that domain and why I couldn't buy it!

Zebra · 08-17-2005, 11:31 AM

I've only seen Tanker this mad once before.
Jman should never have taken the last Red Bull from the fridge.

Seriously though, I've worked and hung out with Tanker quite a bit over the years and I know he doesn't go flying off the handle without a good reason.
You won't find a more standup guy in this biz

TheGoldenChild · 08-17-2005, 11:31 AM

Lens-
Why was my girl taken off the tour of http://www.girlshuntinggirls.com?

She was up the other day and then poof she was gone?
Is it because I have fouled her?

Her name is Ria Lynn
PS I also get a Microsoft Office installer which is very annoying...

Sly · 08-17-2005, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rui

seems like the "opposing" part is more into doing backstabbing and semi-flames without directly approach the issue...

I really dislike two-faced people.

There's a difference between being two-faced and getting along with those you dislike. I can get along with pretty much anyone, even those that I really dislike. But I will not pretend to be friends with someone to their face and spit on them the minute they walk away.

That's my definition of a pussy. I try my best to not be one of those.

SteveLightspeed · 08-17-2005, 11:38 AM

I think I know Tanker better than anyone, we worked elbow-to-elbow for years and traveled all over the world together.

I don't think its necessary for him to defend himself here. Years of honest and ethical behavior don't suddenly fly out the window. Tanker's good reputation in this industry is well earned. I'm positive these accusations must be a giant misunderstanding and they should not have been brought to the boards like this.

Steve Lightspeed

Peaches · 08-17-2005, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

I can get along with pretty much anyone, even those that I really dislike.

You do an excellent job of that with me, and don't think for a minute it's not appreciated

sherie · 08-17-2005, 11:40 AM

HOLY SHIT!

I have never seen Tanker this mad EVER! I can understand why. I would think a person would have to have solid proof that one stole something from someone before going around to others and just saying "Hey, do you know who stole from me?" and then stating names. This is an unfortunate mess that I hope gets cleared up.

ElvisManson and I were out having drinks yesterday saying that there is no way in hell that Ellisa and Tanker would have stolen anything from anyone. I just can't believe my eyes!

SmokeyTheBear · 08-17-2005, 11:41 AM

slander is spoken libel is written

Rob · 08-17-2005, 11:43 AM

Damn, talk about one huge support group! Looks like Tanker has a pretty good rep in this biz.

Sly · 08-17-2005, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peaches

You do an excellent job of that with me, and don't think for a minute it's not appreciated

I do it just to get a scalp massage out of you. It works too!

JFK · 08-17-2005, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lensman

I'm glad Tanker has cleared his reputation. But why does he have to keep telling us how good he is?

BTW, gaytanker.com is still for sale. I'm taking offers.

Lens will 100K take it ? I will have my bank, The Bank of
JDL in Belize

[/QUOTE]
wire you the funds upon acceptance

Princess Ellisa · 08-17-2005, 11:51 AM

Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic!

JFK · 08-17-2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic!

Sorry you will have to beat my offer

RogerV · 08-17-2005, 11:54 AM

Wow the Drama in this industry never ends.

Hope you guys talk it out off the boards. If not let it die no reason to air it out here unless there is proof.

Best wishes to all involved

Anthony · 08-17-2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic!

I really didn't need to see that.

Rob · 08-17-2005, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic!

It burns!!!!!!!!

Juicy D. Links · 08-17-2005, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic!

wow he has tender loins

StuartD · 08-17-2005, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerV

Wow the Drama in this industry never ends.

Hope you guys talk it out off the boards. If not let it die no reason to air it out here unless there is proof.

Best wishes to all involved

I think Mike's "talking it out off the boards" is the cause of this thread in the first place.

JUSTB · 08-17-2005, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic!

Is that a honeymoon pic?

Good for you making him DRESS UP!

pornstar2pac · 08-17-2005, 12:00 PM

this thread just turned blue oyster style

SteveLightspeed · 08-17-2005, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellisa

Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic!

Add these to the collection Ellisa

makefuckingmoney · 08-17-2005, 12:08 PM

Tanker and Ellisa have always been good people in my book. Both have worked for some great companies and managed to leave those companies on pretty good terms. That alone says something.

Good luck with Made In Porn..

I dont really know MikeHawk, but he does seem to get excited.

Princess Ellisa · 08-17-2005, 12:09 PM

LMAO Steve those are the best pics ever! We could so start a site.

SleazyDream · 08-17-2005, 12:14 PM

ok, both parties have talked to me privatly about this and here's my take on it.

I have no proof positive from EITHER side about the list being stolen or mailed. nor do i care

so lets ASSUME - and this is for agruement sake - a list was stolen and mailed.

now i'm not a mailer but i know one or two things about the game cause i know a lot of mailers

This is how i'd look at it if that was the case.
#1 - why the fuck were they allowed to get the list? that would be mike's own security problem really in the end and a reason to realize he needs better security in the future.
#2 - it's a one time hit - and sales wouldn't be more then 1-2% of that list cause it's obviouly been used before for other mailings....
#3 - If the mailing WAS done - it would have been done illegially - why not goto spam cops or the like and make it a living hell for that program if you have the proof?
#4. - What's done is done - it's in the past - i ASSUME it's not like they got all the new members and are mailing them every week is it? clamp up secuity and move on

As a life philisophy I believe what comes around goes around. I've had people come up and go on their own and become bigger than me. I'm HAPPY for them, DH is an example. He's fucking smoking me now, and years ago he used to look up to me as one of the ones on the top of the mountain. I'm fucking hugly proud of him and that he once looked up to me and still consider him a GREAT friend. I could have been jealous - but where would that have taken me? He's opened a lot of doors for me cause of it recently.

People OWE you NOTHING in this world. It's easy to forget that. Think about this - when was the last time you send a check off to the teacher that taught you how to read? Cause you wouldn't be here without them.

mike - this is my advise to you. clamp up your security and move on. don't let it happen again. but revenge and slamming someone although it may feel sweet isn't the right path.

if someone fucked you - karma will get em. and karma will get em 100X worse. forgive them and move on - but karma tests you to see if you let karma deal with it or it you felt the need to get involved in the hands of fate. Look forward not backward. You MIGHT save $1 by looking back but you'll loose a $100 opportuniuty cause you were looking back. that's a HARD philosophy to embrace - and i've done it to the tune of several deals now in the 5 figgure range and when i did I made WAY more - things FELL into my lap that made me a killing - litterally a KILLING - why? I have no fucking idea but it happened - every fucking time so much so that I totally embrace that philosophy now and do what I can to live my life by that frame of thought.

everyone take a moment to realize what I said there and embrace it. it will help you in your life and in your business.....

and now back to regular programing.

you'll all a bunch of whinny emotional idiots

Sly · 08-17-2005, 12:27 PM

Interesting. Sleazy and I have more in common than our good looks.

Princess Ellisa · 08-17-2005, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

As a life philisophy I believe what comes around goes around. I've had people come up and go on their own and become bigger than me. I'm HAPPY for them, DH is an example. He's fucking smoking me now, and years ago he used to look up to me as one of the ones on the top of the mountain. I'm fucking hugly proud of him and that he once looked up to me and still consider him a GREAT friend. I could have been jealous - but where would that have taken me? He's opened a lot of doors for me cause of it recently.

People OWE you NOTHING in this world. It's easy to forget that. Think about this - when was the last time you send a check off to the teacher that taught you how to read? Cause you wouldn't be here without them.

Rinaldo · 08-17-2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zebra

I've only seen Tanker this mad once before.
Jman should never have taken the last Red Bull from the fridge.

Seriously though, I've worked and hung out with Tanker quite a bit over the years and I know he doesn't go flying off the handle without a good reason.
You won't find a more standup guy in this biz

Where's teh pic like that of jman and I kissing?

Anthony · 08-17-2005, 12:44 PM

SleazyDream said:

now i'm not a mailer but i know one or two things about the game cause i know a lot of mailers

This is how i'd look at it if that was the case.
#1 - why the fuck were they allowed to get the list? that would be mike's own security problem really in the end and a reason to realize he needs better security in the future.

Simplest way for anyone caught stealing a list is to show an email with the full headers of the seeded email list. If that can't be produced, than stfu.

#2 - it's a one time hit - and sales wouldn't be more then 1-2% of that list cause it's obviouly been used before for other mailings....

You are wrong. Mailing lists are people, some lists do well with teens versus anal sites, and sales correspond to what was mailed for.

#3 - If the mailing WAS done - it would have been done illegially - why not goto spam cops or the like and make it a living hell for that program if you have the proof?

Where do you get your info from? Seriously, someone with a copy of DarK Mailer and 5 day old proxies does not a mailer one make. Explain how it was illegally sent if the list was stolen, and obviously an opt in one. I can't see why anyone would care for a General Interest list.

One reason they can't go to Spam cop is because they dont' have copies of any emails sent. Spamcop works for the person who received the email, not for someone who thinks their email list was stolen.

#4. - What's done is done - it's in the past - i ASSUME it's not like they got all the new members and are mailing them every week is it? clamp up secuity and move on

Good Opt In mailing lists last for a good long time. Espcially opt in members.

----
So the accusation is they stole an email list is it?

Easy enough to prove. Show an email from a seeded opt in email that has full headers that lead to the server from which it was sent.

If that can't be done, shut the fuck up.

Black Dog · 08-17-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lightspeed

Add these to the collection Ellisa

Steve you are not helping the situation.

B

Black Dog · 08-17-2005, 12:48 PM

Hazel & I have known Tanker & Ellisa for many years and consider their integrity above reproach. The entire WebcamCash team stands behind them.

B
P.S. I'm still MIP

MikeHawk · 08-17-2005, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SleazyDream

ok, both parties have talked to me privatly about this and here's my take on it.

I have no proof positive from EITHER side about the list being stolen or mailed. nor do i care

so lets ASSUME - and this is for agruement sake - a list was stolen and mailed.

now i'm not a mailer but i know one or two things about the game cause i know a lot of mailers

This is how i'd look at it if that was the case.
#1 - why the fuck were they allowed to get the list? that would be mike's own security problem really in the end and a reason to realize he needs better security in the future.
#2 - it's a one time hit - and sales wouldn't be more then 1-2% of that list cause it's obviouly been used before for other mailings....
#3 - If the mailing WAS done - it would have been done illegially - why not goto spam cops or the like and make it a living hell for that program if you have the proof?
#4. - What's done is done - it's in the past - i ASSUME it's not like they got all the new members and are mailing them every week is it? clamp up secuity and move on

As a life philisophy I believe what comes around goes around. I've had people come up and go on their own and become bigger than me. I'm HAPPY for them, DH is an example. He's fucking smoking me now, and years ago he used to look up to me as one of the ones on the top of the mountain. I'm fucking hugly proud of him and that he once looked up to me and still consider him a GREAT friend. I could have been jealous - but where would that have taken me? He's opened a lot of doors for me cause of it recently.

People OWE you NOTHING in this world. It's easy to forget that. Think about this - when was the last time you send a check off to the teacher that taught you how to read? Cause you wouldn't be here without them.

mike - this is my advise to you. clamp up your security and move on. don't let it happen again. but revenge and slamming someone although it may feel sweet isn't the right path.

if someone fucked you - karma will get em. and karma will get em 100X worse. forgive them and move on - but karma tests you to see if you let karma deal with it or it you felt the need to get involved in the hands of fate. Look forward not backward. You MIGHT save $1 by looking back but you'll loose a $100 opportuniuty cause you were looking back. that's a HARD philosophy to embrace - and i've done it to the tune of several deals now in the 5 figgure range and when i did I made WAY more - things FELL into my lap that made me a killing - litterally a KILLING - why? I have no fucking idea but it happened - every fucking time so much so that I totally embrace that philosophy now and do what I can to live my life by that frame of thought.

everyone take a moment to realize what I said there and embrace it. it will help you in your life and in your business.....

and now back to regular programing.

you'll all a bunch of whinny emotional idiots

Good stuff Sleazy!

Rinaldo · 08-17-2005, 12:53 PM

Sleazy I never knew you were so intellectual and capable of making sense.
Honestly bud that was a kick ass post.
I think it's settled then

08-17-2005, 11:11 AM	#151
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	Thank you JFK hopefully our hectic schedules will calm soon and we can drive out to Oshawa and have some more of your wifes really good cooking! __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

08-17-2005, 11:13 AM	#155
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	Just out of curiousity, why was the original thread title changed to not show real names? __________________

08-17-2005, 11:13 AM	#156
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08-17-2005, 11:25 AM	#163
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,328	This really can't be a proper drama thread without an opposing party. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

08-17-2005, 11:31 AM	#170
Zebra Banned from Kimmy's couch Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Down at Fraggle Rock Posts: 5,091	I've only seen Tanker this mad once before. Jman should never have taken the last Red Bull from the fridge. Seriously though, I've worked and hung out with Tanker quite a bit over the years and I know he doesn't go flying off the handle without a good reason. You won't find a more standup guy in this biz __________________ Old School

08-17-2005, 11:26 AM	#164
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	I'm glad Tanker has cleared his reputation. But why does he have to keep telling us how good he is? BTW, gaytanker.com is still for sale. I'm taking offers.

08-17-2005, 11:28 AM	#167
Thumbking Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canadabis Posts: 1,067	wow

08-17-2005, 11:31 AM	#171
TheGoldenChild Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Pacific Palisades Posts: 6,940	Lens- Why was my girl taken off the tour of http://www.girlshuntinggirls.com? She was up the other day and then poof she was gone? Is it because I have fouled her? Her name is Ria Lynn PS I also get a Microsoft Office installer which is very annoying... __________________

08-17-2005, 11:38 AM	#173
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	I think I know Tanker better than anyone, we worked elbow-to-elbow for years and traveled all over the world together. I don't think its necessary for him to defend himself here. Years of honest and ethical behavior don't suddenly fly out the window. Tanker's good reputation in this industry is well earned. I'm positive these accusations must be a giant misunderstanding and they should not have been brought to the boards like this. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

08-17-2005, 11:40 AM	#175
sherie Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 7,020	HOLY SHIT! I have never seen Tanker this mad EVER! I can understand why. I would think a person would have to have solid proof that one stole something from someone before going around to others and just saying "Hey, do you know who stole from me?" and then stating names. This is an unfortunate mess that I hope gets cleared up. ElvisManson and I were out having drinks yesterday saying that there is no way in hell that Ellisa and Tanker would have stolen anything from anyone. I just can't believe my eyes! __________________ AIM sherierocks ICQ 127-296-286 Skype traffichor

08-17-2005, 11:41 AM	#176
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	slander is spoken libel is written __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com

08-17-2005, 11:43 AM	#177
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	Damn, talk about one huge support group! Looks like Tanker has a pretty good rep in this biz. __________________

08-17-2005, 11:51 AM	#180
Princess Ellisa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In my own lil' bubble. Posts: 1,883	Lens if you sell me Gay Tanker.com I will finally have somewhere to house this pic! __________________ Skype: PrincessEllisa1 ellisa at pink label dot .com Princess of Everything, Pink Label

08-17-2005, 11:54 AM	#182
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	Wow the Drama in this industry never ends. Hope you guys talk it out off the boards. If not let it die no reason to air it out here unless there is proof. Best wishes to all involved

08-17-2005, 12:00 PM	#188
pornstar2pac Omaha Hi/Lo Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 17,380	this thread just turned blue oyster style __________________ Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can do

08-17-2005, 12:08 PM	#190
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	Tanker and Ellisa have always been good people in my book. Both have worked for some great companies and managed to leave those companies on pretty good terms. That alone says something. Good luck with Made In Porn.. I dont really know MikeHawk, but he does seem to get excited.

08-17-2005, 12:09 PM	#191
Princess Ellisa Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In my own lil' bubble. Posts: 1,883	LMAO Steve those are the best pics ever! We could so start a site. __________________ Skype: PrincessEllisa1 ellisa at pink label dot .com Princess of Everything, Pink Label

08-17-2005, 12:14 PM	#192
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	ok, both parties have talked to me privatly about this and here's my take on it. I have no proof positive from EITHER side about the list being stolen or mailed. nor do i care so lets ASSUME - and this is for agruement sake - a list was stolen and mailed. now i'm not a mailer but i know one or two things about the game cause i know a lot of mailers This is how i'd look at it if that was the case. #1 - why the fuck were they allowed to get the list? that would be mike's own security problem really in the end and a reason to realize he needs better security in the future. #2 - it's a one time hit - and sales wouldn't be more then 1-2% of that list cause it's obviouly been used before for other mailings.... #3 - If the mailing WAS done - it would have been done illegially - why not goto spam cops or the like and make it a living hell for that program if you have the proof? #4. - What's done is done - it's in the past - i ASSUME it's not like they got all the new members and are mailing them every week is it? clamp up secuity and move on As a life philisophy I believe what comes around goes around. I've had people come up and go on their own and become bigger than me. I'm HAPPY for them, DH is an example. He's fucking smoking me now, and years ago he used to look up to me as one of the ones on the top of the mountain. I'm fucking hugly proud of him and that he once looked up to me and still consider him a GREAT friend. I could have been jealous - but where would that have taken me? He's opened a lot of doors for me cause of it recently. People OWE you NOTHING in this world. It's easy to forget that. Think about this - when was the last time you send a check off to the teacher that taught you how to read? Cause you wouldn't be here without them. mike - this is my advise to you. clamp up your security and move on. don't let it happen again. but revenge and slamming someone although it may feel sweet isn't the right path. if someone fucked you - karma will get em. and karma will get em 100X worse. forgive them and move on - but karma tests you to see if you let karma deal with it or it you felt the need to get involved in the hands of fate. Look forward not backward. You MIGHT save $1 by looking back but you'll loose a $100 opportuniuty cause you were looking back. that's a HARD philosophy to embrace - and i've done it to the tune of several deals now in the 5 figgure range and when i did I made WAY more - things FELL into my lap that made me a killing - litterally a KILLING - why? I have no fucking idea but it happened - every fucking time so much so that I totally embrace that philosophy now and do what I can to live my life by that frame of thought. everyone take a moment to realize what I said there and embrace it. it will help you in your life and in your business..... and now back to regular programing. you'll all a bunch of whinny emotional idiots __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

08-17-2005, 12:27 PM	#193
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,328	Interesting. Sleazy and I have more in common than our good looks. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available Great for TSS, Nifty Stats, remote work, virtual assistants, etc. Click here for more details.

08-17-2005, 12:44 PM	#196
Anthony Keyboard Warrior Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: One of the outer rings of Hell Posts: 9,653	SleazyDream said: now i'm not a mailer but i know one or two things about the game cause i know a lot of mailers This is how i'd look at it if that was the case. #1 - why the fuck were they allowed to get the list? that would be mike's own security problem really in the end and a reason to realize he needs better security in the future. Simplest way for anyone caught stealing a list is to show an email with the full headers of the seeded email list. If that can't be produced, than stfu. #2 - it's a one time hit - and sales wouldn't be more then 1-2% of that list cause it's obviouly been used before for other mailings.... You are wrong. Mailing lists are people, some lists do well with teens versus anal sites, and sales correspond to what was mailed for. #3 - If the mailing WAS done - it would have been done illegially - why not goto spam cops or the like and make it a living hell for that program if you have the proof? Where do you get your info from? Seriously, someone with a copy of DarK Mailer and 5 day old proxies does not a mailer one make. Explain how it was illegally sent if the list was stolen, and obviously an opt in one. I can't see why anyone would care for a General Interest list. One reason they can't go to Spam cop is because they dont' have copies of any emails sent. Spamcop works for the person who received the email, not for someone who thinks their email list was stolen. #4. - What's done is done - it's in the past - i ASSUME it's not like they got all the new members and are mailing them every week is it? clamp up secuity and move on Good Opt In mailing lists last for a good long time. Espcially opt in members. ---- So the accusation is they stole an email list is it? Easy enough to prove. Show an email from a seeded opt in email that has full headers that lead to the server from which it was sent. If that can't be done, shut the fuck up. __________________ Last edited by Anthony; 08-17-2005 at 12:46 PM..

08-17-2005, 12:48 PM	#198
Black Dog Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto, Earth Posts: 1,108	Hazel & I have known Tanker & Ellisa for many years and consider their integrity above reproach. The entire WebcamCash team stands behind them. B P.S. I'm still MIP __________________ Looking for a great program that converts ANY traffic? Me too! :-P

08-17-2005, 12:53 PM	#200
Rinaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 5,086	Sleazy I never knew you were so intellectual and capable of making sense. Honestly bud that was a kick ass post. I think it's settled then