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kamasutrababe

OK, so there might be more to the FBI's bust than just the stories. But for those who agree that the FBI should shut down anyone who peddles underage sex stories, then you would agree that the FBI should shut down Amazon and 99% of the bookstores in the US?

They all peddle underage sex literature:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0679723161/
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg.../-/B00001IVFG/

(do not click these links if you are afraid the FBI will bust you for searching for underage sex stories)

As for 'literary merit', most writers and artists are not considered literary or artistic until after they've been dead for some time and then people want to feel nostalgic.

just a punk

Yes, it isn't. Bicause it's a different crime. Hovever do you think such a stories (I mean "Rambo" for example) should be legal? Do you think it's ok to read about murder? Is it something you really like? If so, I'd say you are SICK MAN. Because murder is a hardest crime ever!

There is a thin line between a realy crime and just a story about it. You have to understand that story is just a STORY but noting else (even if it's soooo fucnking sick)

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RawAlex

kamasutrababe, your attempting to take a love story (old / younger, with a side order of "and then they had sex") and compare it to "I fingered my 6 month old daughter".

Anyone with half a brain can see the difference. Have you ever read Lolita? Seen the movie? They guy isn't lusting after some 2 year old baby in diapers, now is he? If that was the case, do you truly think that the movie would have been made or the book published?

A just of 12 men and women could easily pick out the difference between a naughty tale of forbidden love and spank material for the sickest perverted pedos. This is a case as clear as the nose on your face (providing you have one). There is no grey area here.

Obscene material is obscene, no matter how it is presented.

Now, if the book lolita was 200 pages and 180 pages was graphic details about sexual acts, you might have a subject for discussion. Lolita is about 1% sex... and that is the "they made love until the sun came up" sort of thing.

Search the web for stories by red rose. You will able to see quite clearly that it is pretty much 98% about sex, sex abuse, and pedo activity. The difference between that and lolita is very, very clear.

If you can't see the difference, well... I truly feel sorry for you.

Alex

RawAlex

Quite simple: Rambo isn't 2 hours of killing without anything else. There are people killed, yes... but there is a story line, character development, and a tale to tell. Nobody would tolerate a film that was nothing but 2 hours of killing (closest to that was passion of the christ, and that just about got people tossed in jail!).

Many mainstream movieshave sex acts in them (implied). Blonde Banging Sluts 21 is hardcore XXX movies. Is there a difference? Well, DUH! That is the difference between sex in a movie and a movie about sex.

Apply it to the current situaiton. You will understand better

directfiesta

People in this business amazes me !

I always wonder how the hell they got here.. by accident ?

How many of you got charged for obscenety ?

How many got fingerprinted ?

How many got their mugshot taken?

How many spent 10 days in jail for giving the to the judge ?

How many spent the equivalent of $ 100, 000 .00 to defend yourself ?

How many had to go to the appeal court to be found " not guilty " ?


They busted " RoseStories" under CP pretenses
They busted MaxHardcore under " it's gross " pretenses
And they are comming for YOU next ...

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just a punk

So if some movie will has about 99.9% of story line, character development, and a tale to tell but only 0.1% of REAL cp scenes. Would you consider it cp? Personally I would! Even if there is only 0.1% of REAL cp scenes it is a cp movie. But! We're not talking about the movies involving real kids or having some REAL scenes of murder. We are talking about the stories. They are nothing more than just a text. Because NO REAL person has been hurt. You don't understand one thing. We have to protect the REAL people, but not to fight against the stories how sick and even they could be. The REAL murderers and pedos must go to the JAIL or even be sentenced to death. But I don't understand all this war agains text stories...

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just a punk

BTW, I don't live in the USA. I have no relation to any kind of cp, zoo, rape or other forbidden content. I do not sell drugs and guns. I don't hide from taxes. So actually I have nothing to care about. I just want to understand what's happening to that all known US "freedom" of speech... I'm watching for all the new events in the USA as an exterior observer. And it's very interesting to see on how much the US live changes day-by-day... That's why I compare the modern USA with old "good" USSR. Just don't feel offended when I call your country USSR-2...

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dig420

Save your pity.

"A government might be established on the principle of benevolence towards the people, like that of a father towards his children. Under such a paternal government, the subjects, as immature children who cannot distinguish what is truly useful or harmful to themselves, would be obliged to behave purely passively and to rely upon the judgment of the head of state as to how they ought to be happy, and upon his kindness in willing their happiness at all."

Nice to see all you pornographers are just fine and dandy with letting someone else decide what's fit for you to read or not, because that's exactly what's happening. Very soon some Ashcroft like politician will be cracking down even harder on what he thinks you can handle and what artists are acceptable for public viewing.

Rawalex, you're completely missing the point. Willfully. Molesting a child is a horrible crime. Brutally murdering someone is an even more horrible crime. Raping someone is a horrible crime. A brutal non-lethal assault is a horrible crime, and jumping turnstiles in subways is a horrible crime against the state depriving it of necessary revenue. You want to give the government the right to arrest you over pixels depicting one type of horrible crime but not another? Don't be so fucking naive. If they can do it for one, they'll soon be doing it for all of the topics. Today Red Rose, tomorrow Lady Chatterly's Lover. Censors and wannabe censors aren't know for their love of fine literature.

dig420

Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer is all about killing and nothing else, and has a graphic portrayal of incest to boot. Should the cast, the screenwriter and the director be in jail? Who gets to make that decision? What qualifications do they have to decide what I can watch and what I can't?

dig420

and there's the nub. It's all you fuckers willing to give up your freedom and voting to get rid of mine too that makes Canada more and more attractive every day.

AmateurFlix

Before I say anything else, I'd like to point out that I think this country (the USA) is a far cry from the old USSR, but I can sort of see what you're getting at.

This country has had a disturbing tendency to not truly defeat its enemies but rather absorb them in a manner of speaking since WWII. Unfortunately this means that some of the worst aspects of our enemies tend to become a part of our own culture; I'm not sure why this is or where exactly it started, perhaps out of a fear of eliminating completely other cultures such as the Nazi's were attempting to do. In that case, what they were doing was of course wrong. But if one conquers or defeats a people and then surrenders to the acceptance of the worst aspects of their culture (i.e. censorship, uncritical nationalism), then what has been won?

Those who are for the censorship of any form of text in this country would do well to read up on the content of victorian novels and even pulp magazines from the first half of last century. They were filled with all kinds of 'perversions' and magazines available on newstands frequently featured images of extreme bondage and even torture - right on the front cover. It didn't turn your grandparent's generation into a bunch of worthless degenerates or criminals now did it?

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BlueQuartz

what a fucking PUSSY - stand up for whaqt you believe in mate and have some balls


fuck the american government - hypocritcal pieces of shit - Bush is half way around the globe butchering people but holy fuck please help us lord there is a guy with a little bit of make believe in text format!!!

just a punk

Exactly! Who has sent Apollo (the first "US" expedition) to the Moon? I have the answer. It was a NAZI mudrerer who has bombed London with FAU missiles. A good way for a "great" counrty, isn't it?

I'm so tired to listen a bulshit like "we were at the Moon, bla-bla-bla..." Not you (americans), but NAZI.

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AmateurFlix

Heh, well sending a spacecraft to the moon would be an example of using the spoils of war for good progress IMO. Germany created a space program in the 1920's, long before WWII. Their military merely took the idea of rockets from their fledgling space program and used it for warfare, as militaries anywhere are apt to do with new innovations. So it wasn't a "Nazi murderer" that sent the Apollo missions up, it was a rocket scientist who had the unfortunate luck of residing in Germany during WWII.

I was referring more to the ways in which the government has changed since that time... it's almost as though in trying to make peace the enemy they've become sympathetic to the very ideologies which caused the conflict in the first place.

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You have a biz problem with the law df?

I had a few as well over the years, but never been had a mugshot or been fingerprinted. Tell me, is it easy to get that ink off your fingers??

They also never locked me up pending trial for my alleged obscenity offenses - why would they do that?? Sounds like a country difference - same have sense, others not.

Seriously... did Rosie have CP? Sure, she broadcast what her site contained. She just never thought "finger-fucking babies" was so offensive. Was she publishing obscene material? No doubts on that - tho it remains for a jury to decide.

I can't say on MaxHardcore - I know nothing about the material.

On the "body-part pornographer"... well, his judgement is shot and that's what happens when ya got little or no judgement and wanna become a celebrity.

Only my worth df, but right now it's hard, based on three "raids", to say they are "coming to get you". Two of these cases were on the cards already and predictable. Tho waiting to see what is next in "cleaning up the net" - time will tell.

Bottom line, and forgetting all the current bullshit - countries may have good or bad laws/policies re porn. If they are bad and an obstacle course to doing business, either conform or get the fuck out. I never was answerable to US law and never will be for obvious reasons, but answerable to countries where there is a presence and abide by their laws.

Looking at some posts on GFY, there is one massive problem in that a number of webmasters clearly have no clue, tho rant on about the FBI, "freedom of speech" and Bush. The same webmasters will do the usual moaning and complaining about CP, but have double standards when the *think* their "freedoms" are under threat. I think we will all know loud and clear when a real problem starts with "political prosecutions" - and right now, that time has not come - yet!

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misturcrowley

IGGY POP "Sixteen" from the album POP

Sweet 16 in leather boots
Body and soul, I go crazy
Baby, baby I?m a hungry, sweet 16
Funky bar all full of faces
Pretty faces, beautiful faces
Body and soul, body and soul
I give to you
I am an easy mark with my broken heart
Sweet 16
Show you my explosion, sweet 16
Go out to the funky bar
I get hurt, crying inside
?cause everybody?s so fine
And they don?t need me.
Tell me what can I do, sweet 16
I give you my body and soul sweet 16
I must be hungry ?cause I go crazy
Over your leather boots
Now baby I know...
That?s not normal
But I love you, I love you
I love you, sweet 16
(everywhere I go, I love it!!)

misturcrowley

Rolling Stones "Stray Cat Blues" from Beggar's Banquet

Ah...

Yeah, I got some tail

I hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you're no scare-eyed honey.
There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

I can see that you're fifteen years old
No I don't want your I.D.
I can see that you're so far from home
But that's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I Bet, bet your mama don't know you scream like that
I bet your mother don't know you can spit like that.

You look so weird and so lost from home
But you don't really miss your mother
Don't look so scared I'm not no mad-brained bear
But it's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime
Oh, yeah
Woo!

I bet your mama don't know that you scatch like that
I bet she don't know you can bite like that.

You say you got a girlfriend, that she's wilder than you
Why don't you bring her upstairs
If she's so wild then she can join in too
It's no hanging matter
It's no capital crime

Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don'tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you're a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don't know you can bite like that
I'll bet she never saw you scratch my back

broke

Here's the Miller Test...

1. Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest.

2. Whether the work depicts/describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by applicable state law.

3. Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

In this case with my limited information... 1. No. 2. Yes. 3, Yes.

What are your 1, 2, & 3?

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dig420

It doesn't matter, because mine might and probably will be different than yours and your judgement is no more valid than mine.

Basically it comes down to whether you think the govt. needs to define correct morality for it's citizenry who are helpless to discern it for themselves, or you think we can do just fine without Big Brother telling us what's ok to read and what isn't.

hottoddy

Totally agree. ZERO tolerance for cp. I have trouble even imagining that some of you feel baby rape stories should be protected speech. Shame doesn't describe it.

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That ship has sailed...

Since the income tax amendment was passed in 1913 nearly every president has expanded the size and scope of "Big Brother". Personally -- I'd like the federalize to provide for defense and leave everyone that is not a threat to the republic alone...


The income tax amendment created a royal class in this country, though, and that royalty will do anything to keep power. If it's jailing you and I, then so be it.

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Webby

No way!! Governments were never elected to define morality for anyone. The words "government" and "morals" are like oil and water to start with and would be another pointless exercise since which morals are the "right" one's and which not? It's like trying to define obscenity.

Gimme a judge and jury any day.

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dig420

Then why are you all over the board trying to make absolutely CERTAIN that everyone knows how very very very against erotic stories involving children you are? Do you somehow think the govt is going to say that stories involving fictitious children are bad but stories about rape are ok? Or that stories about rape are ok but not about murder? NO. Any power you give the govt to censor you will be taken to it's absolute limit and expounded upon at the first opportunity. You think the govt isn't involved in the process that ends up with you being hauled in front of a judge and jury to be condemned by your 'peers'?

KRL

The logic in some of the posts in this thread are mind blowing.

WTF?

Comparing this site to Amazon.com???

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dig420

Good to know that you're so against naughty pixels. Shouting to the rooftops how virtuous you are. Next time I'm thinking of buying a big domain I'll skip the middleman.

SureFire

dig420 and others,

I believe it already been said, Freedom of speech doesn?t give one the right to publish stories how to break into a bank, build a bomb, giving state secrets and so on.

If she was writing stories about imaging having sex with babies, I hope she rots in jail. How dare anyone write about taking advantage of a child for sexual pleasure? Children under five don?t have memories; they have feelings which form their personalities.

Freedom of speech does not give sick perverts the right to publish their words. And, I doubt that prosecuting her will take away any of my rights.

KRL

Hey, I'm probably one of the few on this board that has been through this kind of govt scrutiny before when we had hassles with our silly phone sex content being called obscene by a state AG.

I was like "Are you kidding? " Audio messages of girls moaning and groaning, and saying fuck me baby, being called obscene. It was a nightmare experience dealing with a zealot AG with absurd claims, but things got resolved ok and it ended up being a good thing since I went more into mainstream audiotext afterwards.

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directfiesta

You should read before typing...

Locked up for " contempt of court " .... because I "omitted" to get fingerprinted on the second offense, a week later from the first ... Told the judge the prints were the same as last week, just to photocopy them.

was represented by Milton Hartman, who also represented Penthouse at the time ...

OBSCENITY ... 25 years ago ( a previous post ) and got acquitted in appeal court...

Exactly what I was saying : you kids have no clue

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RawAlex

The problem with this situation is that people (and sadly the courts) have been roped in to believing that there can be no such thing as RELATIVE freedoms, just absolutes. You can write ANYTHING, you can write NOTHING. Some first amerndment supporters will stand up and fight for the rights of the Red Rose story site because they think if the courts take a little, they will next take a whole bunch.

There is no "grey", no judgement, no nothing. They see a court saying "yes or no" and that is it. If they say "it's illegal" they feel that every other type of free speech will be affected.

cyberxxx said "So if some movie will has about 99.9% of story line, character development, and a tale to tell but only 0.1% of REAL cp scenes. Would you consider it cp? Personally I would!"

I have to take you to task on this. NOBODY, NOBODY would tolerate a movie that showed actual CP scene. You are attempting to make turn my comments to the extreme, and that isn't the case. The movies mentioned (including Lolita) have no actual sex in them. implied... yes. highly suggestive, yes... but no actual sex. FURTHER, you will not find a single movie in the US right now that even suggests sex with a 6 month old child. While your argument is nice grade school debate tactics, it doesn't hold water. You could have a movie that implied someone had sex with a very young child and it would be disgusting but tolerable in the overall telling of the tale. You could not have a movie that is 2 hours of a man raping a 6 month old child in detail.

Again, it gets back to the problem of attempting to make judgement fit into the bizarre absolutes people try to stand on. CP is bad - no matter HOW it is presented. Suggesting that sex with a minor (especially such young children) is acceptable is bad. However, SANE people can see where dramatic representation of the circumstances of such an event could be part of a movie without being CP.

In all honesty, I would rather give up the right to porn rather than stand behind these sickos.

Alex

Webby

I was actually joking on the first part of the post, but understand on the contempt shit. Charming judge!!

25 years ago it was utter crap on adult stuff - pleased you had a good result.

I've been lucky with judges so far, apart from one. He was totally "anti" from the first day. I asked who the hell he was and found out he was the noted prosecutor in the Penguin Books/Chatterley's Lover case who asked the jury "Would you allow your manservant to read this book?" Could not have a worse judge ever - but turned out OK thanks to a sane jury!

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Webby

WTF!!! You trying to say a jury is giving power to the govt to censor??

And the reason I'm "all over this board" is because obnoxious perverse garbage with pedo content such as that which we are talking about, - described as "erotic stories", - is having feeble attempts at a defense by some under the guise of "freedoms" - utter bullshit.

You seriously suggesting the govt should define morals?? They can hardly piss straight - nevermind define morals. Gotta be fucking joking!

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CDSmith

But.... there are plenty of literary works in history that have erotic connotations with underage girls in them, some quite graphic.

In Auel's "The Clan of the Cave Bear" for example, a 10 year old girl is brutally raped.
In Sarabande's "First Americans" series an even younger child is depicted as being raped to death by a large man-like "creature"
In that book by Nabokov......you know, the one with that famous title?.... girl in her very early teens is sexually pursued by a 40-something man...

Need I go on?

Tons.

Funny how when it's in a book it's okay because it's a "literary work".. but because it's on the internet it magically becomes obscene somehow.

Of course, the term "gratuitous" comes into play here. If the content is gratuitous in nature, sexualizing underage kids and focusing on that subject matter, promoting it, etc... then it could and in most cases should definitely fall under the category of obscenity.

That's the law, at least it is here in Canada.

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The net?? You seen the shit they had on Rosie's site? Assuming she did not actually write the crap, but "simply published it". It takes a real sicko to create literary works like that and more real sickos read it.

If anyone thought their "freedom of speech" could justify printing a nice volume of that - they'd be in court quicker than Bush could lie.

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CDSmith

No, I didn't. Fact is I have no interest in clicking anything like that, but it is a fact that many types of content in pics, videos and stories are "okay" in books, Hollywood movies and on TV, but the second that same content is put on the internet it magically becomes obscene. I'm not saything that's the case here, which is why I included that last part of my post about what constitutes obscenity in this area, at least where my country is concerned.

See Regina Vs Sharpe for the transcript of the judge's decision in the case that Canada bases it's law on for this type of material. It's online.

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When dealing with laws in America it seems that it's all pretty grey. I have little sympathy, other than lack of brain power or smarts, for anyone not being more careful with the Nazi's we have in power....but besides the vague "we'll let you know when you violate" definitions of obscenity, even the age of consent laws in the country are all over the place. Now, "Age of Consent" has nothing to do with porn laws but looking at these makes you wonder what the hell IS THE LAW. Check out this page for an example:

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm (scroll down for the US states)

Did you know that in Nevada and about half the other states in the union a 25 year old man can date a 16 year old girl? It's true. As long as he's not her boss or in a position of authority.

Of course that doesn't apply to porn.

And in California and some other states that same man is a pedophile (see your nightly news.)

Most people don't know what the laws are. That's why there's this page on a law forum with a bunch of 17-25 year old guys asking if it's okay that their girlfriend is 15 or whatever...

http://www.laborlawtalk.com/articles...+year+old.html

.....no one knows.....until the laws are clear it pays to overcompensate and assume the worst. Otherwise you risk everything. Unless you have the balls and deep pockets of a Larry Flynt-- Or are simply insane like Max Hardcore....you get the point.....

misturcrowley

When dealing with laws in America it seems that it's all pretty grey. I have little sympathy, other than lack of brain power or smarts, for anyone not being more careful with the Nazi's we have in power....but besides the vague "we'll let you know when you violate" definitions of obscenity, even the age of consent laws in the country are all over the place. Now, "Age of Consent" has nothing to do with porn laws but looking at these makes you wonder what the hell IS THE LAW. Check out this page for an example:

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm (scroll down for the US states)

Did you know that in Nevada and about half the other states in the union a 25 year old man can date a 16 year old girl? It's true. As long as he's not her boss or in a position of authority.

Of course that doesn't apply to porn.

And in California and some other states that same man is a pedophile (see your nightly news.)

Most people don't know what the laws are. That's why there's this page on a law forum with a bunch of 17-25 year old guys asking if it's okay that their girlfriend is 15 or whatever...

http://www.laborlawtalk.com/article...5+year+old.html

.....no one knows.....until the laws are clear it pays to overcompensate and assume the worst. Otherwise you risk everything. Unless you have the balls and deep pockets of a Larry Flynt-- Or are simply insane like Max Hardcore....you get the point.....

Webby

The thing about legal age limits and overlapping of them depending on the geo location is to be expected in a way.

The slight difference in the "erotic stories" scenario is that it's blatantly pedo in nature and not even near a "legal age" when talking about "baby abuse" - more absurdly perverse than anything. Whether it's obscene in the legal sense remains to be seen, but little doubts a jury would not be impressed.

To consider this a "free speech" issue is really making a mockery of the term can would only weaken a genuine case of free speech - it was just surpised to see some webmasters referring to pedo "stories" and free speech in the same sentence.

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Hehehe, uh-oh.

*starts modifying contact information for domain registrars"

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Orgasmics

Anyone who defends the writers, publishers and/or readers of this shit needs to take a serious look at themselves. The people who wrote these stories and the ones that read them are FUCKING PEDOS. Go ahead... scream FREEDOM OF SPEECH! Anyone with a shred of decency would be willing to take a little hit on FOS in the best interest of children.

The FBI needs to track every fucking person that visited this site and ones similar... anyone who reads this shit IS A PEDO. They either have pedo tendencies and haven't yet done the crime (and this site is sure to fuel their fire) or they have already committed the crime on some innocent child/children. Let's assume YOU are NOT a pedo. Would you enjoy any of the stories above? Would any of them get you off? I think I'm safe in assuming that if you aren't a pedo, these stories would do nothing for you and you would have no desire to read them. It's totally different with Hollywood and the movies. There isn't a movie that is solely based on molesting babies, toddlers or any small children. Let's move onto murder in movies. Do you have to be a murderer to enjoy a movie that has a murder in it? NO! I can't believe some of you are making this comparison. Now, look at the red text. Can you see a difference here?

Bottom line, this site is run by, and caters to pedos. Anyone who can justify their rights to read, write or perform these horrid acts is a total piece of shit. Some people don't deserve rights... and pedos are at the top of that list.

nico-t

couldnt have said it better myself

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slapass

Sorry you are nuts on this one. The gulf between reading about something and doing it is very wide. I honestly did not know that there was nay restriction at all on the written word.

seeric

i didn't know what the stories were about. reading the threads now i can see it involved kids. i think that is not a good thing to be writing about and involving sex with, period. if those are the stories that are on that site, they were basically flirting with getting owned by the gov. i don't support anyone who involves children in sex.

dig420

so there should be a law against being a sick pervert? Well that's nice. Say goodbye to all your customers and half the great literature and art of the world.

There are no actual children being harmed when you write a story about it. It's PIXELS. What's being prosecuted here is not actual sex with a child, it's the IDEA of sex with a child. The THOUGHT of it. This is thought-crime, and there is no such thing as thought-crime in a free society. Prosecuting people for thought crimes of ANY kind puts you on a short and slippery slope toward absolute govt. tyranny.

Theo

god talks to him directly

i believe we are pretty safe now

dig420

Speech is often provocative and challenging. It may strike at prejudices and preconceptions and have profound unsettling effects as it presses for acceptance of an idea. That is why freedom of speech, though not absolute, is nevertheless protected against censorship or punishment, unless shown likely to produce a clear and present danger of a serious substantive evil that rises far above public inconvenience, annoyance, or unrest. There is no room under our Constitution for a more restrictive view. For the alternative would lead to standardization of ideas either by legislatures, courts, or dominant political or community groups. Terminiello v. City of Chicago, 337 U.S. 1 (1949

I really don't understand what's going thru your goddam heads. You truly don't understand how short a step a step it is from outlawing unpopular stories about sex to outlawing stories that disrespect Gawd Almighty or that are disrespectful of our govt.? You WANT to become like the Muslim theocrats? That's how you want to live?

The only speech that's illegal is yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. I don't want ANY morality police ANYWHERE deciding with the authority of the federal govt. I pay for behind him deciding what's acceptable for me to read and what's not. I don't NEED anyone deciding something is too dangerous or too immoral for my or anyone else's consumption.

Why do you people think you need a daddy in the white house so badly to tell us the difference between right and wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Libertine

Ever heard of Louis Paul Boon? He was a fairly famous Flemmish author who wrote a novel called "Mieke Maaike's Obscene Jeugd" (Mieke Maaike's obscene childhood), which in extremely explicit detail describes the sexual exploits of a very young girl (it starts when she's about 10 years old). It even goes so far as to describe very underage girls having sex with animals - and enjoying it.

Now, this particular novel, originally published in the early seventies, has sold many thousands of copies, and is to this day performed in plays. Quite obviously, it is not just read by paedophiles. In fact, it is considered by many to be - more or less - important literature. Even fiction solely consisting of explicit underage sex acts doesn't necessarily cater to paedophiles, so your argument simply doesn't work.

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CDSmith

I'm more concerned with when actual children are being harmed, abused, used, molested, etc. Focus on banning the stuff that really harms children, I couldn't care less what other people write about. I have the choice not to read it (and so do all of you).

It looks to me as though the FBI is wasting their time and resources chasing down fantasies rather than focusing on nailing those invlolved in the reality of child porn and other obscene acts.

Yes the stories (judging by the titles quoted here and some of the comments) are obviously sick and disturbing, but so are the words in a lot of other stories and books and written pieces, all of it fantasy, fiction.

I would rather live in a world with NO real child porn at all, where people can write whatever they feel like writing without being persecuted for it.

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