Fuck this ashcash/ashleybrookes - Page 6 - GoFuckYourself.com

Platinumpimp · 10-23-2005, 04:40 PM

OWNED. Great business move.

The part I still do not understand after reading this whole thread is WHY mutt worked so hard for no profit, just for this chick.

The only answer could be that the guy was in love with her?

Anyway respect for you Mutt, sorry to hear you got dissed like this. Ashley will lose more with this move than she could possibly imagine.

Good luck Mutt.

RogerV · 10-23-2005, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

i might take some heat for this.. but a basic timeline for a solo girl site

1.) they get explained how much they will get paid and what is involved in running a solo site and they are extremely happy and eager to work

2.) while shooting the initial startup content they are happy because they are working a lot and getting paid per shoot (if they are working on a per shoot/basis and not 50/50)

3.) after shooting the initial launch content...they start to get impatient during visa approval and site launch

4.) when they realize its not a get rich overnight scheme and people they know stumble across the site, they demand to have the site taken down and expect you to eat the loss even though you explained to them that eventually people they know WOULD see the site

5.) the model flakes, and the producer hopefully was smart enough to get 2 years of content pre-shot so the site can continue

6.) model is bitter

the end... taadddaaaaaaaa

Perfecto

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i'm not holding her hostage - she took this action on her own - i would NEVER do any harm to her affiliates. I had no clue she was going to send out that email - this is a NATS thing. All her stuff works.

I had my chance to pull her content down - i did not do it.

Please do not even being to try to somehow blame this on us.

xlogger · 10-23-2005, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

http://www.adultforum.ca/pics/ashley.JPG

She got some big asssss tittiaaaaaaaas.

makefuckingmoney · 10-23-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

you are an artistic genius..

you should have been an nfl announcer..you could probably work magic with a teleprompter..

Mutt · 10-23-2005, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I'm trying to avoid this situation as much as I can other than Ashley being a client of ours as I have respect for you and from what I know of Ashley so far she seems like a good person also.

However, you have a very valid reason in not wanting her to use NATS in that you don't want any affiliate to loose any money. I resepect that completely. If there were a way for her to move to NATS and for no affiliate to loose any money would you be willing to work with her more to resolve the issues there are?

Just a thought to try to calm the situation some if that is your only concern over her moving to a NATS based affiliate program.

all the current CCBILL linking codes to her tours and her FHGs and POTDs work. its up to her and NATS, meaning you, to see that they still do.

I sent Ashley an email yesterday warning her that any NEW galleries she puts up with content I own copyright to were not for her to use.

end of story on that.

KRL · 10-23-2005, 04:45 PM

10 pages of arguing and its time to give this thread a spritz.

Rex · 10-23-2005, 04:46 PM

I still think she is in for the best month ever on her site. All those 404 affiliate links will go to one place, ashleybrookes.com homepage and she gets 100% of the cash for that.

And Mutt, I've been in these friendlike obligations before and know how they go - never good. Admittingly I've never made such a kick ass site for a girl like you did, but whatever.

All in all, this has been the most interesting thing I have read all day. I will now go shoot myself because I am pathetic.

KRL · 10-23-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

Best one yet!

Mutt · 10-23-2005, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Please do not even being to try to somehow blame this on us.

i'm not blaming NATS the company or the software - it is a HUGE decision for a program to make changes to an affiliate program - she should have considered everything in full before sending that email out.

LexiLexxx · 10-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Young

Maybe you're the one with 1 brain cell. Read the post I was quoting and check the sarcasm closing brackets.

some people are so quick to say stupid shit.

Ok..I'am sorry, I jumped on that so quick...

I seen the sarcasm quote, but I wasn't sure if it was a joke or not.
I should have said, are you serious or joking?

sorry

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

all the current CCBILL linking codes to her tours and her FHGs and POTDs work. its up to her and NATS, meaning you, to see that they still do.

I sent Ashley an email yesterday warning her that any NEW galleries she puts up with content I own copyright to were not for her to use.

end of story on that.

Please don't "end of story" me

You have stated a few times in this thread that NATS is your problem with this whole thing as it will somehow screw affiliates.

You have never once spoken with us about what can and can't be done to make sure affiliates continue to receive credit.

Ashely could very easily let the ccbill program continue to run, rebill members, pay affiliates, give credit for new signups, allow existing links to function, etc. however you told her that she is not allowed to use the content that those FHGs, and her site consist of (at least this is what I gather based on what I've read here and what she has told me).

This has NOTHING to do with what NATS can and can't do as far as affiliates getting credit so I say again. Please don't even being to try to blame this on us.

QuaWee · 10-23-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadCat

links removed, you fucking cunt

lol, that's not nice

sonofsam · 10-23-2005, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney

you are an artistic genius..

you should have been an nfl announcer..you could probably work magic with a teleprompter..

i'm going to start a hentai paysite... and i'm going to do all the drawings myself

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

i'm not blaming NATS the company or the software - it is a HUGE decision for a program to make changes to an affiliate program - she should have considered everything in full before sending that email out.

Thank you. It had seemed you thought we were somehow responsible for affilaites getting credit or not. Like I said above. She can easily make the move without screwing a single person. Many programs have done so and I'm sure many more will. It's up to the parties actually involved with the site to determine if they are willing or not.

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

i'm going to start a hentai paysite... and i'm going to do all the drawings myself

You need to start signing your work

makefuckingmoney · 10-23-2005, 04:51 PM

heck id buy the content!

Platinumpimp · 10-23-2005, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

This was probably what Ashley was expecting

SomeCreep · 10-23-2005, 04:52 PM

This is some lame ass fucking shit. From what I gather, Mutt expected a certain commitment from Ashley (to work 5 hours/day, 5 days/week) and Ashley refused. Then Ashley got greedy and decided she is not only a model, but an entrepreneur as well. So now Ashley decides she will run her site and affiliate program all on her own, without Mutt. Ashley, have you lost your fucking mind? How do you expect to run your site and affiliate program on your own, when you are not even willing to put in 25 hours/week of work?

makefuckingmoney · 10-23-2005, 04:53 PM

with a wig and some dark lighting i could even do the cam shows..

Mutt · 10-23-2005, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Please don't "end of story" me

You have stated a few times in this thread that NATS is your problem with this whole thing as it will somehow screw affiliates.

You have never once spoken with us about what can and can't be done to make sure affiliates continue to receive credit.

Ashely could very easily let the ccbill program continue to run, rebill members, pay affiliates, give credit for new signups, allow existing links to function, etc. however you told her that she is not allowed to use the content that those FHGs, and her site consist of (at least this is what I gather based on what I've read here and what she has told me).

This has NOTHING to do with what NATS can and can't do as far as affiliates getting credit so I say again. Please don't even being to try to blame this on us.

this is true - everything she has currently works and can continue to work - even with the content/design issues she had more than enough time to get her ass to work and get new tours made, and enough content to make a go of it - she owns some of her own content and if she really was serious about her business she'd have a ton more content - she found a photographer - go for it.

no affiliate was going to be hurt on my account - but the days of accomodating Ashley were over 3 weeks ago. She knew that - she had time to come up with solutions before sending this email out.

cherrylula · 10-23-2005, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by makefuckingmoney

with a wig and some dark lighting i could even do the cam shows..

now that would be hot.

makefuckingmoney · 10-23-2005, 04:54 PM

mutt can you icq me

11403900 if you have time.

Young · 10-23-2005, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LexiLexxx

Ok..I'am sorry, I jumped on that so quick...

I seen the sarcasm quote, but I wasn't sure if it was a joke or not.
I should have said, are you serious or joking?

sorry

It's ok

I'm still wondering why Mutt is still flying her sig. I know he doesn't give a fuck about the questions I have to ask...but why all this free publicity? But maybe it doesn't matter since shes switching anyways.

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Patrick_Bateman · 10-23-2005, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aico

Oh, please, let's not forget option C:
Guy has crush on girl
Guy works for free for girl to try and impress girl
Girl won't give guy what he wants
Guy keeps trying
Girl still won't give guy what he wants
Guy keeps trying
Girl Still won't give guy what he wants
Guy throws tissy fit and make life miserable for girl
Girl moves on
Guy never gets over it

LOL at least someone gets what is really going on here.

Mutt, I am sorry to hear that Ashley doesn't feel the same way about you.

sonofsam · 10-23-2005, 04:55 PM

hahahahah platinumpimp

QuaWee · 10-23-2005, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pimpporn

Just show her this

Searches done in September 2005
Count Search Term
213 blue julia

ownt!

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

this is true - everything she has currently works and can continue to work - even with the content/design issues she had more than enough time to get her ass to work and get new tours made, and enough content to make a go of it - she owns some of her own content and if she really was serious about her business she'd have a ton more content - she found a photographer - go for it.

no affiliate was going to be hurt on my account - but the days of accomodating Ashley were over 3 weeks ago. She knew that - she had time to come up with solutions before sending this email out.

I'm trying to avoid the actual argument and disagreement here as much as possible as the only two who know the full story are Ashley and yourself. It's not my place to pass judgement on either of your or say who was right or wrong as I'll never know exactly what went down. You could be right. She could be right.

The only thing I'm here to comment on is how the transition to our software will work. Are you saying she can continue to run her ccbill program on her own as it has been run so that the affiliates do not need to pull down their links and can receive credit for pending rebills, new sales on the old links, etc.?

Also, as I said you did not ask us I should also state that she did not ask us if her ccbill program could continue to run in the background as her new NATS based program comes online. She may have had the thought that she had to kill the ccbill based program for some reason and that may be why she sent the email. She should have spoken with us and you about it prior. All that can be done now is to try to best preserve the credit affiliates deserve for the links they have to her now.

sonofsam · 10-23-2005, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaWee

ownt!

for my first paysite.. its not "ownt" at all.

i have 2 new sites coming out by the end of the month also, so suck my nut

p.s. if i knew what site you ran, i'd take a peak at it and find something wrong with it also

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

for my first paysite.. its not "ownt" at all.

i have 2 new sites coming out by the end of the month also, so suck my nut

p.s. if i knew what site you ran, i'd take a peak at it and find something wrong with it also

You're one of the hardest working quickest learning people I've seen around here lately. Don't let them get to you

sonofsam · 10-23-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

You're one of the hardest working quickest learning people I've seen around here lately. Don't let them get to you

thanks bro

Young · 10-23-2005, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

for my first paysite.. its not "ownt" at all.

i have 2 new sites coming out by the end of the month also, so suck my nut

p.s. if i knew what site you ran, i'd take a peak at it and find something wrong with it also

You dont need to defend yourself. Your stuff speaks for itself.

Mutt · 10-23-2005, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I'm trying to avoid the actual argument and disagreement here as much as possible as the only two who know the full story are Ashley and yourself. It's not my place to pass judgement on either of your or say who was right or wrong as I'll never know exactly what went down. You could be right. She could be right.

The only thing I'm here to comment on is how the transition to our software will work. Are you saying she can continue to run her ccbill program on her own as it has been run so that the affiliates do not need to pull down their links and can receive credit for pending rebills, new sales on the old links, etc.?

Also, as I said you did not ask us I should also state that she did not ask us if her ccbill program could continue to run in the background as her new NATS based program comes online. She may have had the thought that she had to kill the ccbill based program for some reason and that may be why she sent the email. She should have spoken with us and you about it prior. All that can be done now is to try to best preserve the credit affiliates deserve for the links they have to her now.

the old affiliate links will work and i explicitly in that email I sent her referred to NEW hosted galleries she was planning to go up with content shot for me of her.

she took this action today on her own - there was NO reason for affiliates to be drawn into this.

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

the old affiliate links will work and i explicitly in that email I sent her referred to NEW hosted galleries she was planning to go up with content shot for me of her.

she took this action today on her own - there was NO reason for affiliates to be drawn into this.

That I can of course understand. Perhaps there was some confusion between her, yourself, what she can and can't do, etc. I'll speak with her some asap to find out exactly what she wants to do with the ccbill program and run it by you if that is ok with you.

SomeCreep · 10-23-2005, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

You're one of the hardest working quickest learning people I've seen around here lately. Don't let them get to you

In my experience, the hardest working quickest learning people are mainly lurkers and keep their business private. That might be why you dont notice them.

Theo · 10-23-2005, 05:07 PM

i have no doubt Mutt was extra good to you.

TMM_John · 10-23-2005, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

In my experience, the hardest working quickest learning people are mainly lurkers and keep their business private. That might be why you dont notice them.

I can agree with that. I'm sure there are many hard working quick learning people that I haven't seen also.

Donny · 10-23-2005, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

This is some lame ass fucking shit. From what I gather, Mutt expected a certain commitment from Ashley (to work 5 hours/day, 5 days/week) and Ashley refused. Then Ashley got greedy and decided she is not only a model, but an entrepreneur as well. So now Ashley decides she will run her site and affiliate program all on her own, without Mutt. Ashley, have you lost your fucking mind? How do you expect to run your site and affiliate program on your own, when you are not even willing to put in 25 hours/week of work?

Had to highlight that very very important question!

QuaWee · 10-23-2005, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sonofsam

for my first paysite.. its not "ownt" at all.

i have 2 new sites coming out by the end of the month also, so suck my nut

p.s. if i knew what site you ran, i'd take a peak at it and find something wrong with it also

dude, I was only joking. don't take everything so personal. this is gfy

PimpDaddyPants · 10-23-2005, 05:13 PM

Sorry to hear that mate

sonofsam · 10-23-2005, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuaWee

dude, I was only joking. don't take everything so personal. this is gfy

i couldn't tell you were joking... and its hard not to take offense when you put so much work into something.... julia blue herself is a bitch, and i could care less if people think shes ugly... but doesn't mean there arn't people out there who find her hot and are willing to sign up for her site... and as long as there are those people out there... i will continue promoting her site

but when people knock the site it offends me... not because of me caring about julia blue and how hot she is.. but because of the amount of time trying to make my first paysite work

cheers

venus · 10-23-2005, 05:25 PM

A 110K in 6 months time is not much at all, after bills she prolly has half that left

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt

she had made NET $110,000.

Mutt · 10-23-2005, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by venus

A 110K in 6 months time is not much at all, after bills she prolly has half that left

what bills are you talking about? bills associated with running a website? puh-leeze - inconsequential

Satisfaction · 10-23-2005, 05:31 PM

another fucked up model wanting more.. links pulled.

Joesho · 10-23-2005, 05:31 PM

Good luck Ashley, I wish you well.

GotGauge · 10-23-2005, 05:37 PM

Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people
without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA

I have gave advice to several people in the industry, and have NEVER asked
for anything in return. Niko, can vouch for me on this.

I seen all this coming from day one, but I think Mutt not did it to help, but also
lost a ton of money, that was to be re-paid. I know he never wanted a percent, or any cash, (beyond what was a loan), or a relationship. As far as I know Mutt has never even met Ashley.

I do know, that Mutt has pinned Ashley's character as exactly as the person she is....

RogerV · 10-23-2005, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Please do not even being to try to somehow blame this on us.

OK i just read the whole fuckin thread

I totally understand becasue I have been through it many times

I respect Mutt it's not Nats fault

this totally has to do with an ungratefull young girl who will lose everything she never built to begin with..

Don't give her the content let her start on her own

for those affiliates losing money why even support someone like her?

elitetec · 10-23-2005, 05:37 PM

shit once i switch a link i switch for live

Head_Hunter · 10-23-2005, 05:42 PM

So whats it gonna take to fix this issue?

10-23-2005, 04:40 PM	#251
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,588	__________________ I like turtles.

10-23-2005, 04:40 PM	#252
Platinumpimp Logos and such. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 10,214	OWNED. Great business move. The part I still do not understand after reading this whole thread is WHY mutt worked so hard for no profit, just for this chick. The only answer could be that the guy was in love with her? Anyway respect for you Mutt, sorry to hear you got dissed like this. Ashley will lose more with this move than she could possibly imagine. Good luck Mutt. __________________ I design logo's.

10-23-2005, 04:45 PM	#258
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	10 pages of arguing and its time to give this thread a spritz. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

10-23-2005, 04:46 PM	#259
Rex Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 2,241	I still think she is in for the best month ever on her site. All those 404 affiliate links will go to one place, ashleybrookes.com homepage and she gets 100% of the cash for that. And Mutt, I've been in these friendlike obligations before and know how they go - never good. Admittingly I've never made such a kick ass site for a girl like you did, but whatever. All in all, this has been the most interesting thing I have read all day. I will now go shoot myself because I am pathetic. __________________ I don't own RexMag anymore.

10-23-2005, 04:52 PM	#270
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	This is some lame ass fucking shit. From what I gather, Mutt expected a certain commitment from Ashley (to work 5 hours/day, 5 days/week) and Ashley refused. Then Ashley got greedy and decided she is not only a model, but an entrepreneur as well. So now Ashley decides she will run her site and affiliate program all on her own, without Mutt. Ashley, have you lost your fucking mind? How do you expect to run your site and affiliate program on your own, when you are not even willing to put in 25 hours/week of work? __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

10-23-2005, 04:51 PM	#268
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	heck id buy the content!

10-23-2005, 04:53 PM	#271
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	with a wig and some dark lighting i could even do the cam shows..

10-23-2005, 04:54 PM	#274
makefuckingmoney Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,277	mutt can you icq me 11403900 if you have time.

10-23-2005, 04:55 PM	#277
sonofsam Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver Posts: 18,588	hahahahah platinumpimp __________________ I like turtles.

10-23-2005, 05:07 PM	#287
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,524	i have no doubt Mutt was extra good to you.

10-23-2005, 05:13 PM	#291
PimpDaddyPants Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,581	Sorry to hear that mate

10-23-2005, 05:31 PM	#295
Satisfaction WootWootCash.com Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 10,900	another fucked up model wanting more.. links pulled.

10-23-2005, 05:31 PM	#296
Joesho want to get in shape Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: on the lake Posts: 12,329	Good luck Ashley, I wish you well. __________________ Got any domains to sell? I proudly host all my stuff at www.rackco.com

10-23-2005, 05:37 PM	#297
GotGauge Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: USA Posts: 3,072	Why is it so hard for GFY people to believe, that people help people without expecting sex or money in return. KARMA I have gave advice to several people in the industry, and have NEVER asked for anything in return. Niko, can vouch for me on this. I seen all this coming from day one, but I think Mutt not did it to help, but also lost a ton of money, that was to be re-paid. I know he never wanted a percent, or any cash, (beyond what was a loan), or a relationship. As far as I know Mutt has never even met Ashley. I do know, that Mutt has pinned Ashley's character as exactly as the person she is.... __________________ ICQ 22264474 [email protected]

10-23-2005, 05:37 PM	#299
elitetec Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: New York Posts: 4,944	shit once i switch a link i switch for live __________________ Add Your Site To My PR4 Blog Selling Sig ICQ-200636146

10-23-2005, 05:42 PM	#300
Head_Hunter So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 907	So whats it gonna take to fix this issue?