Is poker mostly luck or skill - GoFuckYourself.com

pr0phet · 11-24-2005, 09:02 PM

Discuss.....

bringer · 11-24-2005, 09:03 PM

its skill. luck is for amateurs

Blaze · 11-24-2005, 09:04 PM

Its about 50/50 A good player wlill win over the long term though.

pr0phet · 11-24-2005, 09:04 PM

But you can also make the point that when skill levels are matched, luck becomes a bigger factor

mikeet · 11-24-2005, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0phet

But you can also make the point that when skill levels are matched, luck becomes a bigger factor

Good point ..

potter · 11-24-2005, 09:36 PM

The game poker - can be either luck or skill.

Now winning poker.... That is 99% skill.

Platinumpimp · 11-24-2005, 09:38 PM

I dunno, but I just won one of the following on 2bet: XBOX / PSP / Ipod

Rob · 11-24-2005, 09:38 PM

90% skill and 10% luck.

gideongallery · 11-24-2005, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Platinumpimp

I dunno, but I just won one of the following on 2bet: XBOX / PSP / Ipod

it really too bad you can only win once

chadglni · 11-24-2005, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pr0phet

But you can also make the point that when skill levels are matched, luck becomes a bigger factor

Choosing the right opponent is a skill also.

Spunky · 11-24-2005, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bringer

its skill. luck is for amateurs

Skill as in counting cards..other than that..it's a fluke

Paraskass · 11-24-2005, 10:59 PM

Being good at poker rests on 2 important factors.

#1. I wouldn't call skill..... but maybe knowledge?
Knowing your odds.... etc. How good is your hand etc...

#2. A mix of bluffing skills and luck (if 2 equally good players match up, the one with the good hand got it by the luck of the draw... Now if the one with the sucky hand can bluff it's gonna be interesting.)

ytcracker · 11-24-2005, 11:38 PM

Morgan · 11-24-2005, 11:43 PM

all luck, just a time killer while waiting for your drink.

bdld · 11-24-2005, 11:50 PM

has nothing to do with luck, you gotta know how much to bet and when, thats where the skill comes in to play.

chadglni · 11-24-2005, 11:52 PM

I would never go into biz with someone stating poker is all luck. Either they are really dumb or too lazy to research what they are talking about. Either one is a bad sign.

Morgan · 11-24-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

I would never go into biz with someone stating poker is all luck. Either they are really dumb or too lazy to research what they are talking about. Either one is a bad sign.

it's all luck when you dont even give a rats ass to play. i dont gamble, personally i wouldnt go into business with someone who gambles too much!

vizortion · 11-24-2005, 11:59 PM

Having cashed out over 3000.00 in 3 days...I say its more skill than luck. And yes, I do this for a living.

Kre8t0r · 11-25-2005, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ytcracker

Nice job ytcracker!!

I need to make another deposit over there.

chadglni · 11-25-2005, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Morgan

it's all luck when you dont even give a rats ass to play. i dont gamble, personally i wouldnt go into business with someone who gambles too much!

I hate gambling, losing money sucks. Doesn't mean I don't play poker though.

Doctor Dre · 11-25-2005, 12:08 AM

If you are playing agaisn't less skilled players, then it's skills... but when you are all at a certain level, the luck factors become bigger

Morgan · 11-25-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by chadglni

I hate gambling, losing money sucks. Doesn't mean I don't play poker though.

you got a point there.. i was only stirring up shit to begin with; being the devil's advocate.

ive really never given time to poker, im sure it's fun if you know what you're doing.

Snake Doctor · 11-25-2005, 12:24 AM

It has been proven in a court of law that poker is a skill game.

This is why poker games for money are legal even in states where gambling is illegal.

:2cents:

Penthouse Tony · 11-25-2005, 12:29 AM

you can be lucky and win when you have no skill. you can be very unlucky and lose depite lots of skill.

skill is what enables you to take advantage of the lucky streaks or keep alive in the unlucky streaks. Winning a tournment involves a lot of luck (ie burning people on the river rather than it happenig to you).

woj · 11-25-2005, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

you can be lucky and win when you have no skill. you can be very unlucky and lose depite lots of skill.

skill is what enables you to take advantage of the lucky streaks or keep alive in the unlucky streaks. Winning a tournment involves a lot of luck (ie burning people on the river rather than it happenig to you).

interesting

Red Ezra · 11-25-2005, 12:36 AM

it's considered a game of skill - that's why it's legal to play in L.A. - but it's luck too - sometimes the better player just gets beat becasue the weaker player hits his card

Adultnet · 11-25-2005, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

you can be lucky and win when you have no skill. you can be very unlucky and lose depite lots of skill.

skill is what enables you to take advantage of the lucky streaks or keep alive in the unlucky streaks. Winning a tournment involves a lot of luck (ie burning people on the river rather than it happenig to you).

yeah luck makes every thing possible but a skilled player will need it way less..

Penthouse Tony · 11-25-2005, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Adultnet

yeah luck makes every thing possible but a skilled player will need it way less..

I agree but in almost any large tournment the winner got lucky at least once or twice by catching a card on the river that kept him in the game. It might have been early on in the tournament not at the final table but it still happened in that tournament enabling him to get to the final table and win.

manne · 11-25-2005, 02:30 AM

I think 70% skill and 30% luck

Redrob · 11-25-2005, 02:31 AM

I think you need some of both. If you are unskilled or unlucky, you gonna lose.

CherryLipsRosa · 11-25-2005, 03:44 AM

I would say more luck than skills but they both go together.

Vitasoy · 11-25-2005, 05:34 PM

I'd say it's 70% skill and 30% luck..

StuBradley · 11-25-2005, 05:43 PM

Yeah, I've made a little over $500 in the last 2 weeks playing on Poker.com. If you know what you are doing you will finish in the money in 75-80% of the online tourneys that you enter.

Babagirls · 11-25-2005, 06:25 PM

50/50

luck is getting the right cards, skill is knowing how to play them well.

StuBradley · 11-25-2005, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Babagirls

50/50

luck is getting the right cards, skill is knowing how to play them well.

You make MUCH MORE money by knowing how to play than by what cards you are dealt. Only you know what cards are in your hand. I have won countless pots with shitty cards by making others think I had better cards then they did.

Violetta · 11-25-2005, 06:43 PM

you need a little of both!

fuzebox · 11-25-2005, 06:50 PM

The same people make it to the final table every time... Whoever wins though is usually a crapshoot from there

jollyperv · 11-25-2005, 06:50 PM

And how many gfy dipshits think they're fucking poker experts after watching a few tournaments on tv...how the fuck do watch that shit, it's more boring than watching fishing.

elitetec · 11-25-2005, 08:00 PM

its definitely both

x3guide · 11-25-2005, 09:06 PM

More skill than luck. Enter a few tourns and you'll either realize this or keep living in denial.

chodadog · 11-26-2005, 12:32 AM

Luck is a factor, but a skilled player will come out on top over time. The thing about poker is that it's not always about the cards. One of Doyle Brunson's most famous quotes is that he doesn't need the cards to win a tournament, and it's very true.

Dagwolf · 11-26-2005, 12:46 AM

The house ALWAYS wins in the long run... but without skill, you're screwed.

Satisfaction · 11-26-2005, 01:20 AM

id say a bit of both

dig420 · 11-26-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

The house ALWAYS wins in the long run... but without skill, you're screwed.

There is no house except for a small rake. I always love the way in every GFY thread, especially political threads, someone ALWAYS chimes in with this cynical world weary definitive statement that is utterly fucked up lol

Not you in particular Dag, it's just a GFY phenomenon.

I play in the casinos a LOT since I live in LV. I usually get in with the best hand and get sucked out about half the time. It goes in cycles. You've got to know what you're doing, but luck is a big, big part of it.

Sly · 11-26-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dagwolf

The house ALWAYS wins in the long run... but without skill, you're screwed.

What?

I must be missing something. What does the house win other than the rake?

Sly · 11-26-2005, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dig420

There is no house except for a small rake. I always love the way in every GFY thread, especially political threads, someone ALWAYS chimes in with this cynical world weary definitive statement that is utterly fucked up lol

Thank you. I felt incredibly stupid there for a minute, haha.

3M TA3 · 11-26-2005, 01:44 AM

good thread

SleazyDream · 11-26-2005, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Blaze

Its about 50/50 A good player wlill win over the long term though.

then it isn't 50/50

dig420 · 11-26-2005, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream

then it isn't 50/50

it's somewhat close. You see a lot of people that just started playing the game at final tables in tournaments. I think ytcracker will probably agree with me that aggression is more important than luck, good or bad. And you have to know where the fine line is between very aggressive and foolhardy. It's a tricky game.

adonthenet · 11-26-2005, 02:40 AM

More skill then luck
thats what i think..

View Poll Results: Luck VS Skill at poker
Mostly Skill Very little luck	18	19.78%
More skill then luck	50	54.95%
More luck then skill	20	21.98%
Mostly luck skill means nothing	3	3.30%
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11-24-2005, 09:04 PM	#4
pr0phet Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,041	But you can also make the point that when skill levels are matched, luck becomes a bigger factor __________________ Pr0phet

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potter Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Denver Posts: 6,559	The game poker - can be either luck or skill. Now winning poker.... That is 99% skill. __________________

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Platinumpimp Logos and such. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kingdom of the Netherlands Posts: 10,214	I dunno, but I just won one of the following on 2bet: XBOX / PSP / Ipod __________________ I design logo's.

11-24-2005, 09:38 PM	#8
Rob I'm a great bowler. Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Right Outside of Normal. Posts: 13,309	90% skill and 10% luck. __________________

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11-24-2005, 09:04 PM	#3
Blaze Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 298	Its about 50/50 A good player wlill win over the long term though.

11-24-2005, 10:59 PM	#12
Paraskass Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: QC Posts: 5,829	Being good at poker rests on 2 important factors. #1. I wouldn't call skill..... but maybe knowledge? Knowing your odds.... etc. How good is your hand etc... #2. A mix of bluffing skills and luck (if 2 equally good players match up, the one with the good hand got it by the luck of the draw... Now if the one with the sucky hand can bluff it's gonna be interesting.) __________________

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11-24-2005, 11:43 PM	#14
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	all luck, just a time killer while waiting for your drink. __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

11-24-2005, 11:50 PM	#15
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	has nothing to do with luck, you gotta know how much to bet and when, thats where the skill comes in to play.

11-24-2005, 11:52 PM	#16
chadglni Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: PEI, Canada Posts: 6,924	I would never go into biz with someone stating poker is all luck. Either they are really dumb or too lazy to research what they are talking about. Either one is a bad sign.

11-24-2005, 11:59 PM	#18
vizortion Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 134	Having cashed out over 3000.00 in 3 days...I say its more skill than luck. And yes, I do this for a living.

11-25-2005, 12:24 AM	#23
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	It has been proven in a court of law that poker is a skill game. This is why poker games for money are legal even in states where gambling is illegal. :2cents:

11-25-2005, 12:29 AM	#24
Penthouse Tony Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mountain View, CA Posts: 5,835	you can be lucky and win when you have no skill. you can be very unlucky and lose depite lots of skill. skill is what enables you to take advantage of the lucky streaks or keep alive in the unlucky streaks. Winning a tournment involves a lot of luck (ie burning people on the river rather than it happenig to you). __________________ aamos AT FFN dot com Penthouse.com Business Development ICQ: 49090846 \| Yahoo IM: ff_aamos

11-25-2005, 12:36 AM	#26
Red Ezra redezra.com Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 4,680	it's considered a game of skill - that's why it's legal to play in L.A. - but it's luck too - sometimes the better player just gets beat becasue the weaker player hits his card

11-25-2005, 02:30 AM	#29
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11-25-2005, 02:31 AM	#30
Redrob Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: In a refrigerator box by the tracks. Posts: 4,791	I think you need some of both. If you are unskilled or unlucky, you gonna lose.

11-25-2005, 03:44 AM	#31
CherryLipsRosa Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 3,603	I would say more luck than skills but they both go together. __________________ Rosalia M. ICQ.12150439 Skype. cherrylipsrosa

11-25-2005, 05:34 PM	#32
Vitasoy GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 58,202	I'd say it's 70% skill and 30% luck.. __________________ [email protected]

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StuBradley Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 2,625	Yeah, I've made a little over $500 in the last 2 weeks playing on Poker.com. If you know what you are doing you will finish in the money in 75-80% of the online tourneys that you enter. __________________ 51-566-514

11-25-2005, 06:25 PM	#34
Babagirls Text Writer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 18,812	50/50 luck is getting the right cards, skill is knowing how to play them well. __________________ Need a Text Writer? Blogs\|Reviews\|Descriptions\|Paysites\|TGP's\|Stories ICQ: 397892500

11-25-2005, 06:43 PM	#36
Violetta Affiliate Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 28,735	you need a little of both! __________________ M&A Queen

11-25-2005, 06:50 PM	#37
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,113	The same people make it to the final table every time... Whoever wins though is usually a crapshoot from there

11-25-2005, 06:50 PM	#38
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	And how many gfy dipshits think they're fucking poker experts after watching a few tournaments on tv...how the fuck do watch that shit, it's more boring than watching fishing.

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11-25-2005, 09:06 PM	#40
x3guide Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: lake titicaca Posts: 735	More skill than luck. Enter a few tourns and you'll either realize this or keep living in denial. __________________ Shomer fuckin shabbas

11-26-2005, 12:32 AM	#41
chodadog Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 9,736	Luck is a factor, but a skilled player will come out on top over time. The thing about poker is that it's not always about the cards. One of Doyle Brunson's most famous quotes is that he doesn't need the cards to win a tournament, and it's very true. __________________ 26 + 6 = 1

11-26-2005, 12:46 AM	#42
Dagwolf President of Canada Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Leaving Hell, Entering Limbo Posts: 23,141	The house ALWAYS wins in the long run... but without skill, you're screwed. __________________ Sleep well, and dream of large women.

11-26-2005, 01:20 AM	#43
Satisfaction WootWootCash.com Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 10,900	id say a bit of both

11-26-2005, 01:44 AM	#47
3M TA3 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 2,972	good thread __________________ Dedicated and colo hosting: ICQ 291313057 "A problem cannot be solved from the same consciousness that created it. We must learn to see the world anew." - Albert Einstein

11-26-2005, 02:40 AM	#50
adonthenet Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,753	More skill then luck thats what i think..