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Doctor Dre · 12-17-2005, 12:14 AM

50x google up to some nasty shit

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2005, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RichCashMike

Research XML trusted feeds

I have some info about it somewhere , i asked a yahoo rep by email about it and he sent me some info , ill try to find the email..

wedouglas · 12-17-2005, 12:52 AM

Please post anything you have. I'll contact yahoo on Monday. I am very curious about these.

Doesn't this kind of destroy the integrity of the SE? I can understand sponsored links on the top and side which are clearly noted as sponsor links, but to be able to buy spots in the organic listings doesn't seem right.

DeviousBros. · 12-17-2005, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

hmm my example isnt working right now on yahoo , it sback to normal ill try to find another example.

Check Out the Tugjobs link in #1:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=han...ficial&fr=moz2

detoxed · 12-17-2005, 01:31 AM

I just hope its good for
me

CamRabbit · 12-17-2005, 01:32 AM

I bet paysite owners are loving it

optional · 12-17-2005, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DeviousBros.

Check Out the Tugjobs link in #1:

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=han...ficial&fr=moz2

That one just looks like Yahoo has just tried to determine the most relevant link to the tugjobs site and 1 affiliate has got lucky. (why they got lucky over the others would be a good anser to have if that isnt a paid spot though)

If you click the 'more from this site' link you get a whole bunch of affiliate coded links. http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=han...ww.tugjobs.com

Manowar · 12-17-2005, 03:51 AM

Ugh.... no aff codes

studiocritic · 12-17-2005, 04:13 AM

these are paid inclusion listings on yahoo.. they've been around for as long as i can remember, and i've been working with goto->overture->ysm for years. they are kind of misleading, as they look exactly like sites that are in the directory (hence the Category line)

Linkster · 12-17-2005, 04:13 AM

Smokey - if you go to any yahoo results and click the link on the upper right called "about this page" read the third paragraph down about the Content Acquisition Program - this will describe how you can pay for inclusion in the organic results instead of going through the old overture method for the "sponsor results" - although I agree its rather misleading for the surfers thinking that the results are all just ranked by their relavance

Google has added somewhere around 17 billion new pages on top of the 8 bill they already had for some testing that they are doing on some datacenters - it has been getting out in to the public listings occasionally over the last week as well - if you go read Matt Cutt's blog he describes what they are doing at Google and what he and the algorithm engineers will be doing for the next few months with their search results. Most of it seems to be working on getting rid of some Canonical issues they had but if you look at some of the cache dates on this new data a lot of it is old stuff that used to be called "supplemental data"

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Smokey - if you go to any yahoo results and click the link on the upper right called "about this page" read the third paragraph down about the Content Acquisition Program - this will describe how you can pay for inclusion in the organic results instead of going through the old overture method for the "sponsor results" - although I agree its rather misleading for the surfers thinking that the results are all just ranked by their relavance

Google has added somewhere around 17 billion new pages on top of the 8 bill they already had for some testing that they are doing on some datacenters - it has been getting out in to the public listings occasionally over the last week as well - if you go read Matt Cutt's blog he describes what they are doing at Google and what he and the algorithm engineers will be doing for the next few months with their search results. Most of it seems to be working on getting rid of some Canonical issues they had but if you look at some of the cache dates on this new data a lot of it is old stuff that used to be called "supplemental data"

well its not only misleading but its putting an end to "free" seo..

It would be one thing if it were paid inclusions , but they are paid replacements.. i.e. ravenriley PAID to get a category listing on yahoo and EARNED that spot thru seo work , then someone just basically bought the spot out.

thanks for the tips though..

RawAlex · 12-17-2005, 12:00 PM

I am starting to think you guys are a victim of spyware / adware. I checked yahoo for raven riley, and their site is #1 and the link is fine.

Code:

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=AoRz.9PS2HI8ast9O.whhMRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2dmhzMXM5BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNjU1Xzc2/SIG=189gn9ahq/EXP=1134932396/**http%3a//rdre1.yahoo.com/click%3fu=http%3a//www.ravenriley.com/%26y=020F774F2DB6B0EA%26i=482%26c=13200%26q=02%255ESSHPM%255BL7m%7eizq%253Fmvszf6%26e=utf-8%26r=0%26d=wow%7eF655-en-us%26n=LDT4G7KU8EI47RQM%26s=1%26t=%26m=43A4602C%26x=019028B4DFFF1043

Weird, no?

Alex

Basic_man · 12-17-2005, 12:00 PM

Pretty interesting read. I just hope they will not remove all ref code

Linkster · 12-17-2005, 12:01 PM

Smokey - I totally agree and so does the FTC - thats the only reason they even have that link on the page - to keep from getting busted for misrepresentation.

Linkster · 12-17-2005, 12:04 PM

Alex - check that link with a cloaking blocker - its a redirect with a ref code inserted going to ravenriley.com - its a common thing in the top results in Yahoo these days

RawAlex · 12-17-2005, 12:29 PM

Linkster, maybe in the US, but NOT in Canada... I am going right to the site without issue.... It goes through the yahoo redirect thing, yes, but there are no affiliate codes or anything when I land. It goes right the front door, no issues - not to the affiliate landing page.

Now, if Yahoo is charging them for it, well, there you go. But the listing doesn't appear from here to have been corrupted of taken over by an affiliate.

Unless I truly missed something here.

Alex

Linkster · 12-17-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Linkster, maybe in the US, but NOT in Canada... I am going right to the site without issue.... It goes through the yahoo redirect thing, yes, but there are no affiliate codes or anything when I land.
Alex

Alex - when you get to the landing page and put your mouse over the Enter link do you see a nats code on the end? Maybe it is country specific as I used the link directly from yahoo and not the one you copied over - but Ill check yours here in a bit to see if it is getting a cloak redirect

RawAlex · 12-17-2005, 12:53 PM

The nats code I see on the enter link is the same if I use a new browser and just go directly to "ravenriley.com". I think it is their own "internal" code for tracking.

Alex

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2005, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

The nats code I see on the enter link is the same if I use a new browser and just go directly to "ravenriley.com". I think it is their own "internal" code for tracking.

Alex

its not working right now.. it was working ..

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2005, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

I am starting to think you guys are a victim of spyware / adware. I checked yahoo for raven riley, and their site is #1 and the link is fine.

Code:

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=AoRz.9PS2HI8ast9O.whhMRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2dmhzMXM5BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDMQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGNjU1Xzc2/SIG=189gn9ahq/EXP=1134932396/**http%3a//rdre1.yahoo.com/click%3fu=http%3a//www.ravenriley.com/%26y=020F774F2DB6B0EA%26i=482%26c=13200%26q=02%255ESSHPM%255BL7m%7eizq%253Fmvszf6%26e=utf-8%26r=0%26d=wow%7eF655-en-us%26n=LDT4G7KU8EI47RQM%26s=1%26t=%26m=43A4602C%26x=019028B4DFFF1043

Weird, no?

Alex

read two posts after i posted that , the ravenriley one has changed and no longer works , try cumfiesta

Linkster · 12-17-2005, 12:56 PM

Alex - here's a thread where jaYMan brought this up a bit ago - it seems that it doesnt happen all the time or possibly if you have already been there once??
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=541606

There are a few Yahoo partners in the CAP program doing this on the top results

SmokeyTheBear · 12-17-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkster

Alex - here's a thread where jaYMan brought this up a bit ago - it seems that it doesnt happen all the time or possibly if you have already been there once??
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=541606

There are a few Yahoo partners in the CAP program doing this on the top results

almost every big sponsor site i see..

every nastydollars site and every tcg site, silvercash site etc

RawAlex · 12-17-2005, 02:53 PM

has their been any rulings about selling out names like this?

Alex

DaddyHalbucks · 12-17-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

has their been any rulings about selling out names like this?

Alex

Huh? If you search Google, you get what they want to give you. It's their search engine, so they make the rules.

Remember their motto: "Do no evil."

wedouglas · 12-17-2005, 03:06 PM

hmm $50 per url then .15 cpc

Thats pretty expensive unless you own the site.

Hardlinks · 12-17-2005, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks

Huh? If you search Google, you get what they want to give you. It's their search engine, so they make the rules.

Remember their motto: "Do no evil."

Wrong mate, thats like saying ABC can run the Nascar Race cause its ABC's broadcast.

lilspup · 12-17-2005, 04:32 PM

As far as Yahoo goes, you can read about the CAP program here

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearc...basics-03.html

12-17-2005, 04:44 PM

I sell cheap well very cheap tin foil hats, serious !

Linkster · 12-17-2005, 04:45 PM

Alex - I dont think anyone has challenged it yet as the sponsors so far (Im gonna talk with Jay about it in Vegas) have been happy to have the sales. If someone challenged it Im sure they'd win.

DaddyHalbucks - if you had read the thread you would have found that we were talking about Yahoo - not Google - and Google has already taken action to remove some advertisers based on complaints from certain sponsors - I remember being removed myself by a rather famous person for promoting her site in AdWords and Google got hit with a letter to not allow anyone to use her trademarked name for AdWords anymore. Yahoo hasnt been hit with anything that Im aware of yet - but Im sure that will change. Also since that happened a few years ago I havent gone back to see if Google changed their policy as I stopped promoting that program and didnt care after Google announced they werent honoring the trademarks to anything anymore

RawAlex · 12-18-2005, 05:34 PM

I personally think the sponsors are stupid if they allow listing that show their direct URLs to be resold to others, and then to pay signups for each one. Basically, someone is stealing revenue from them that they should be getting directly.

Paying out 50% or whatever for what should be free is taxation at it's best.

Alex

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wedouglas So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Dearborn, MI Posts: 5,921	Please post anything you have. I'll contact yahoo on Monday. I am very curious about these. Doesn't this kind of destroy the integrity of the SE? I can understand sponsored links on the top and side which are clearly noted as sponsor links, but to be able to buy spots in the organic listings doesn't seem right.

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Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	Alex - check that link with a cloaking blocker - its a redirect with a ref code inserted going to ravenriley.com - its a common thing in the top results in Yahoo these days __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	Linkster, maybe in the US, but NOT in Canada... I am going right to the site without issue.... It goes through the yahoo redirect thing, yes, but there are no affiliate codes or anything when I land. It goes right the front door, no issues - not to the affiliate landing page. Now, if Yahoo is charging them for it, well, there you go. But the listing doesn't appear from here to have been corrupted of taken over by an affiliate. Unless I truly missed something here. Alex

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	The nats code I see on the enter link is the same if I use a new browser and just go directly to "ravenriley.com". I think it is their own "internal" code for tracking. Alex

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Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	Alex - here's a thread where jaYMan brought this up a bit ago - it seems that it doesnt happen all the time or possibly if you have already been there once?? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=541606 There are a few Yahoo partners in the CAP program doing this on the top results __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	has their been any rulings about selling out names like this? Alex

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Linkster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: DeltaHell Posts: 3,216	Alex - I dont think anyone has challenged it yet as the sponsors so far (Im gonna talk with Jay about it in Vegas) have been happy to have the sales. If someone challenged it Im sure they'd win. DaddyHalbucks - if you had read the thread you would have found that we were talking about Yahoo - not Google - and Google has already taken action to remove some advertisers based on complaints from certain sponsors - I remember being removed myself by a rather famous person for promoting her site in AdWords and Google got hit with a letter to not allow anyone to use her trademarked name for AdWords anymore. Yahoo hasnt been hit with anything that Im aware of yet - but Im sure that will change. Also since that happened a few years ago I havent gone back to see if Google changed their policy as I stopped promoting that program and didnt care after Google announced they werent honoring the trademarks to anything anymore __________________ Porn Links Crak for your bank account - Get Addicted FREE LIVE CAM SHOWS Last edited by Linkster; 12-17-2005 at 04:47 PM..

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	I personally think the sponsors are stupid if they allow listing that show their direct URLs to be resold to others, and then to pay signups for each one. Basically, someone is stealing revenue from them that they should be getting directly. Paying out 50% or whatever for what should be free is taxation at it's best. Alex