Why is Paycom booting Epassporte not bigger news? - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

BigCashCrew · 02-04-2006, 02:55 PM

50 for a good thread

MicDoohan · 02-04-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

Maybe you should..

I'm not assured, it sounds like epassporte is switching to non-adult and we are left in the dark. It might be in your "long term business interests" but it doesn't sound like its in ours.. Sounds like its already going to cause delays in payments and that doesnt sounds like a good "long term business" move..

jesu christ you are such an ignorant idiot who tries to sound like he knows what he is talking about

I suggest you try to spend 2 minutes away from gfy and your life will be richer and fuller. Youre nothing more than a perpertuator of bullshit and sig displaying assmonkey.

I doubt you have 2 urls to rub together

SmokeyTheBear · 02-04-2006, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MicDoohan

jesu christ you are such an ignorant idiot who tries to sound like he knows what he is talking about

I suggest you try to spend 2 minutes away from gfy and your life will be richer and fuller. Youre nothing more than a perpertuator of bullshit and sig displaying assmonkey.

I doubt you have 2 urls to rub together

What the fuck are you talking about idiot..

Your bitching about something i wrote and i need to get a life ? hahahha

Grow up, grab a brain... stop hanging on people's nutsacks who dont even know you..

p.s. if yuo dont like sigs turn them off moron

SmokeyTheBear · 02-04-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MicDoohan

Youre nothing more than a perpertuator of bullshit

care to elaborate on your drivel ?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-04-2006, 03:16 PM

Smokey in the past has been right about alot of things in infact more accurate than me by far and definatly more helpful. Ya just goto know how to read em.

SmokeyTheBear · 02-04-2006, 03:22 PM

Ithink he just got his panties in a bunch because he thinks i misread this thread when stating epassporte pulling out of adult.. but he is wrong.. he just doesnt understand how to read.. or likes to hang off people's nutsacks.. either way , it hardly makes sense to me that people go out of their way to make enemies when the people they attack dont even know them..

02-04-2006, 04:39 PM

thumbs up for Smokey, he does sort of know what he talks about

pocketkangaroo · 02-04-2006, 05:30 PM

I don't see why they'd drop adult. Adult is a nice niche that they can dominate for years. Everyone acts like it will be easy to cut into Paypal's market share. Good luck with that, Paypal has a great system, better rates, better customer service, and already a huge stranglehold on the market. I think the best way to expand is to maximize areas that Paypal can't touch.

SleazyDream · 02-04-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by d00t

Here is why it will hit SOME sponsors:

Paycom (used to) pay directly into their business epass account.
Sponsors could use automation scripts on the b2b and mass send tool to automate Epass payouts ... so no human intervention was requied to pay out an affiliate. Now that sponsors need to have the wire sent to a *real* bank account means it adds a delay to getting money into the epass business account since they can only be loaded by WIRE. This also adds an extra cost to the sponsor from receiving the innitial paycom wire, then re-wiring it to Epassporte (matching the companies too!), also paying an incoming Epass wire fee and waiting for the funds to clear. For sponsors that use INTL wire accounts this adds at least 4-5 days of delay, AND the time to send a wire. Add in the delay for the customer service over there to read the incoming fax document and you've got yourself a good 7-9 day delay

Not really a big deal, but it's another fucking hastle to manage.

I have a feeling they are stopping Epass payments because the companies are definately splitting entirely. Paycom->Epass payouts were linked somehow in their system because payouts usually happened within 30minutes of the pay out time from Paycom... and now that their systems are not intertwined they are unable to do this without extra effort. Or legally..or something..who knows.....

I'll also put a dollar on Epass and Paycom separating so when Epassporte goes big time public (maybe even stock exchange listings?) there is no "dirty" associations with PORN and its clean..has a good rep and can be sold for a premium amount.

Then again....I could be entirely wrong... would love to hear something from Epassporte and Paycom ;)

best repsonse and most likly i've heard so far

SleazyDream · 02-04-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

its not about leaving adult...epoch/paycom is adult, too...Its leaving a not so reliable company.

not trying to dis epoch but do a search on what people said about epoch before chris malic came on board....

Tempest · 02-04-2006, 06:10 PM

I suspect that this isn't bigger news because a lot of people are waiting for the other shoe to fall... Whether that's sponsors discontinuing epass payouts or epass failing/changing biz models.

Epass being in trouble isn't such a big leap.. I've been watching some of these companies lately and they seem to all be risky companies. I think EPass was viewed as stronger because they were tied into Epoch but that ended and they're on their own.. Some examples... a company called INTGold collapsed a little while ago.. e-gold has had some problems recently, bank accounts frozen etc. Stormpay appear to be in some major problems right now as well... None of this bodes well for a company like Epass.

Wiseman · 02-04-2006, 06:15 PM

BLAH BLAH BLAH!! Clay used to Run Paycom then Chris Came in and took shit over. Then Clay Came back in and took shit Back over again. NOW we have bad blood =) Hence paycom and Epassporte parting way's and probably have no intrest in helping either one make more $. I am pretty sure any of us would feel the same way. its pretty basic. I could be off line here but I am sure it is more of a personal issue then a buisness decision.

dont get me wrong I love both Clay and Chris.
Jesus I wish people had something to do all day then make big deals out of petty shit.
THEY DONT GET ALONG ANYMORE PEOPLE!! NOW MOVE ALONG . LOL

adultchica · 02-04-2006, 06:16 PM

As a webmaster, if I can still get my epassporte payments I'm happy.

If I can't, then I'm not happy!

I hope there is a way for the sponsors to work around this. Epass still has to be cheaper than the extra employee or two you'd have to hire to do the checks that dropping epassporte would require.

Fetish · 02-04-2006, 06:19 PM

Because Epass sucks and is not good for anything except webmaster payments.

Wiseman · 02-04-2006, 06:22 PM

And as far as a timeine on how long it takes you to pay your affiliates because it takes longer to to get your $ into your Epass acount. Well if you are a company waiting around to get paid by everyone who owes you $ before you can make pay outs then I would be more worried about your buisness then Epass or Paycom.

EdgeXXX · 02-04-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

BLAH BLAH BLAH!! Clay used to Run Paycom then Chris Came in and took shit over. Then Clay Came back in and took shit Back over again. NOW we have bad blood =) Hence paycom and Epassporte parting way's and probably have no intrest in helping either one make more $. I am pretty sure any of us would feel the same way. its pretty basic. I could be off line here but I am sure it is more of a personal issue then a buisness decision.

dont get me wrong I love both Clay and Chris.
Jesus I wish people had something to do all day then make big deals out of petty shit.
THEY DONT GET ALONG ANYMORE PEOPLE!! NOW MOVE ALONG . LOL

I agree. I just hope for their sakes one of them gets their shit together soon, otherwise both companies could be in very big trouble in the near future

SmokeyTheBear · 02-04-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

And as far as a timeine on how long it takes you to pay your affiliates because it takes longer to to get your $ into your Epass acount. Well if you are a company waiting around to get paid by everyone who owes you $ before you can make pay outs then I would be more worried about your buisness then Epass or Paycom.

is a sponsor does 25million in sales a month and they have to wait for the 25 million then where are they going to get the money to pay affiliates. I understand what your saying, that if you did 25 million in sales a month you prob have lots of funds to back the payments, but it doesnt sound like good business to pay your affiliates before you have been paid, thats where trouble starts..

Wiseman · 02-04-2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

is a sponsor does 25million in sales a month and they have to wait for the 25 million then where are they going to get the money to pay affiliates. I understand what your saying, that if you did 25 million in sales a month you prob have lots of funds to back the payments, but it doesnt sound like good business to pay your affiliates before you have been paid, thats where trouble starts..

OK MAN please sign up for my program. So I can not pay you till I am paid in full for all the traffic I am sent from you. we do weekly pay out's EVERY monday. We arent doing 25 mill a month but we arent exactly small fry either. But when doing weekly pay outs we definetley dont get our $ before we are paid from other's

ALL IN ALL Paycom is Going no where anytime soon. And I guarentee Epass has no plans of dumping adult high and dry any time soon.
Cant a couple of people just decide they dont want to work together anymore with out the world comeing to an end?

TheButcher · 02-04-2006, 06:39 PM

Not surprised since they split up into 2 different businesses a while back.

EdgeXXX · 02-04-2006, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

is a sponsor does 25million in sales a month and they have to wait for the 25 million then where are they going to get the money to pay affiliates. I understand what your saying, that if you did 25 million in sales a month you prob have lots of funds to back the payments, but it doesnt sound like good business to pay your affiliates before you have been paid, thats where trouble starts..

I get what you are saying and for the most part I agree with you; but then again if a sponser is making $25M a month, they would probably be using a better payment processing solution than either of these companies

Wiseman · 02-04-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

I get what you are saying and for the most part I agree with you; but then again if a sponser is making $25M a month, they would probably be using a better payment processing solution than either of these companies

LIKE WHAT?

EdgeXXX · 02-04-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

LIKE WHAT?

Like a company run by financial professionals (possibly backed by a bank), or they would do their own processing

SmokeyTheBear · 02-04-2006, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

OK MAN please sign up for my program. So I can not pay you till I am paid in full for all the traffic I am sent from you. we do weekly pay out's EVERY monday. We arent doing 25 mill a month but we arent exactly small fry either. But when doing weekly pay outs we definetley dont get our $ before we are paid from other's

ALL IN ALL Paycom is Going no where anytime soon. And I guarentee Epass has no plans of dumping adult high and dry any time soon.
Cant a couple of people just decide they dont want to work together anymore with out the world comeing to an end?

Dont get your panties in a bunch man, i was just asking a question. I'm not a sponsor, you obivously have a better idea of these things than i do.. I didnt say you wait till "ALL" the funds have cleared , i just dont think its common practise to payout affiliates before ANY payments have been made to the sponsor from the biller. ( i could be TOTALLY wrong here ) but i thinks thats where the whole confusion comes in , its apparent SOME people think this could affect sponsor payments for those EXACT reasons..

Just to clarify here , do you not want me as an affiliate or where you just joking around ? im not trying to be rude , i just want to know theres no ill blood here ?

Wiseman · 02-04-2006, 06:52 PM

My panties werent in a bunch at all. I was just saying my life would be ALOT easier if I could just tell affiliates. "Sorry man paycom hasnt paid me yet. or CCbill hasnt paid me yet. Or who ever for that matter. All I am saying is as an affiliate you should not have to worry about MY financial issues. you should know that the program you are sending to can pay you reguardless of how long it takes to get $ ointo there bank acount. I can guarentee you if I was paid late form one of my processors you woul still be paid on time from me.

I usually $500000 in debit every month before I get checks! LOL kidding

Wiseman · 02-04-2006, 06:54 PM

I wasnt upset at all brotha! I want everyones traffic. I am a whore.

All I am saying is if these people are worried that it will take to long to get there $ from someone to do payouts then they have more important things to worry about then Chris and Clay pissing with each other. I guarentee Chris and Clay are BOTH excellent buisnessmen and will not let there buisnesses be ruined or damaged in anyway.

EdgeXXX · 02-04-2006, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

I can guarentee you if I was paid late form one of my processors you would still be paid on time from me.

That's the sign of an honest businessman

SmokeyTheBear · 02-04-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiseman

I wasnt upset at all brotha! I want everyones traffic. I am a whore.

All I am saying is if these people are worried that it will take to long to get there $ from someone to do payouts then they have more important things to worry about then Chris and Clay pissing with each other. I guarentee Chris and Clay are BOTH excellent buisnessmen and will not let there buisnesses be ruined or damaged in anyway.

Personally my feeling is if the sponsor takes longer to get paid he will pass that wait along to the affiliates.. its nice to know that WONT happen at quickbuck

huey · 02-04-2006, 07:11 PM

As long as my money in my epass bizz account dosen't go buy buy in what ever offshore bank they have my money in I don't care. Will definatley not add more to my acccount till more is said.

aico · 02-04-2006, 07:16 PM

Maybe Paycom knows something we don't. There is a "hint", if you will, in the last paragraph of their email.

Pornwolf · 02-04-2006, 07:20 PM

Still, there needs to be some explanation here. People can't help but be worried about the future of Epassporte. Whenever you have money tied up somewhere or being routed somewhere it's good to know if that's still an option that makes sense or should you just switch to wires for those accounts.

Sly · 02-04-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by aico

Maybe Paycom knows something we don't. There is a "hint", if you will, in the last paragraph of their email.

Rand made a similar hint. Don't know if they meant it that way, but it left me with the impression that ePass is hurting in some way or another.

Wiseman · 02-04-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

Rand made a similar hint. Don't know if they meant it that way, but it left me with the impression that ePass is hurting in some way or another.

well everyone thaught Paycom was fucked to a few years ago when shit hit the fan and Chris took over. I am sure all will be fine. both are buisness men and wouldnt be as rich as they both are letting established buisnesses fail!

TheDoc · 02-04-2006, 07:47 PM

While I don't think the news is that big, and I know they have personal issues, but I guess it could always be for another reason, like taxes.

I can see companies over the years coming up with tax issues on epass from not claiming the money, thinking it was an easy way to hide the money.

However, I'm more interested in the paysite companies that took payment that way. Why?? Simple as that.

baddog · 02-04-2006, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by andrej_NDC

its not about leaving adult...epoch/paycom is adult, too...Its leaving a not so reliable company.

Agreed. While many affiliates may like the convenience of receiving their payments via ePass, it isn't always a convenience to those paying them.

I use it only because it is a part of doing business, but there is a lot of room for improvement.

greenlab · 02-04-2006, 08:24 PM

Most of you dont know the real deal behind Epassporte...
Did you ever wonder why everytime someone from epass was posting in threads, they claimed that epassporte has hundred of thousends of users....definetlly not all of them are webmasters

The main scope of existence of epassporte is the issuing of debit cards for chargeback ballancing. It worked like this till now...every %x member that signed up trough paycom (or other processors) for a site membership, were given an epassporte Gift card. It works like this...paycom is giving you a membership to site xxxx for free, as long as you are a member of site yyyyy. In order to process your membership for site xxxx, we are giving you an epass Virtual Visa Gift card. The membership costs 29.99$/month, however, paycom will make sure that the 29.99$ will be deposited everymonth onto your visa gift card.
Actually paycom/epass were crediting your epass visa gift card with 29.99$ every month, and then in 30 secs, they were billing the card though one of designated merchant account, with a cost of just the processing fee (discount rate). By billing hubdreds of thouseds of cards like this, there is now wandering why their chargeback ratio si very low, and they still allow cross sales without any problems...(have seen sites with 2 pre checked crossales).

So this is the biggest reason for epassporte to exist, and this is why it was created...the issuing of plastic debit cards and affiliate/webmaster payments are done just to make epassporte look compliant in the eyes of Visa, as this gets lots of $$$$ volume and they can claim that the main purphose of their service is not the issuing of "gift cards" - and that they are actually a 100% legitimate issuer....

now think for a second...do you think that there are more that 10.000 webmasters that get payments by epassporte ? There is a huge distance to the hundreds of thousents cards that epassporte is claiming they have issued...(and they are telling the truth here). The rest are just "Gift Cards".....and they are trying to offset this by the funds that get moved by affiliate programs and the use of debit cards for widthrawal in all countryes arround the world...

However, thay have gone too far and visa is getting quite close on them....

The trick is somewhat similat to what ibill does with gkard, but the Epassporte trick is much more stable and intellingent...

greenlab · 02-04-2006, 08:28 PM

There are several other debit card payment systems that can issue no name maestro cards that can be used worldwide.
The cards are issued 100% from the US, they have no name embossed on the card and can be issued from stock, without any id requiremens and can be issued worldwide (not only to use citizens).
Wire load is also avaiable..

https://www.virtualmoneyinc.com/

EdgeXXX · 02-04-2006, 08:36 PM

We (EdgeFX) don't do business with Epass for a reason, but we were going to give Paycom/Epoch the benefit of the doubt and try to work with them. Personally (my own opinion), I think BOTH companies leave alot to be desired in terms of Customer/Client Service and Satisfaction. If either company wants to make a solid future for itself, they need to step it up a notch.

BV · 02-04-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

it doesnt sound like good business to pay your affiliates before you have been paid, thats where trouble starts..

??? all pps programs work on this model

kristin · 02-04-2006, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by greenlab

Most of you dont know the real deal behind Epassporte...
Did you ever wonder why everytime someone from epass was posting in threads, they claimed that epassporte has hundred of thousends of users....definetlly not all of them are webmasters

The main scope of existence of epassporte is the issuing of debit cards for chargeback ballancing. It worked like this till now...every %x member that signed up trough paycom (or other processors) for a site membership, were given an epassporte Gift card. It works like this...paycom is giving you a membership to site xxxx for free, as long as you are a member of site yyyyy. In order to process your membership for site xxxx, we are giving you an epass Virtual Visa Gift card. The membership costs 29.99$/month, however, paycom will make sure that the 29.99$ will be deposited everymonth onto your visa gift card.
Actually paycom/epass were crediting your epass visa gift card with 29.99$ every month, and then in 30 secs, they were billing the card though one of designated merchant account, with a cost of just the processing fee (discount rate). By billing hubdreds of thouseds of cards like this, there is now wandering why their chargeback ratio si very low, and they still allow cross sales without any problems...(have seen sites with 2 pre checked crossales).

So this is the biggest reason for epassporte to exist, and this is why it was created...the issuing of plastic debit cards and affiliate/webmaster payments are done just to make epassporte look compliant in the eyes of Visa, as this gets lots of $$$$ volume and they can claim that the main purphose of their service is not the issuing of "gift cards" - and that they are actually a 100% legitimate issuer....

now think for a second...do you think that there are more that 10.000 webmasters that get payments by epassporte ? There is a huge distance to the hundreds of thousents cards that epassporte is claiming they have issued...(and they are telling the truth here). The rest are just "Gift Cards".....and they are trying to offset this by the funds that get moved by affiliate programs and the use of debit cards for widthrawal in all countryes arround the world...

However, thay have gone too far and visa is getting quite close on them....

The trick is somewhat similat to what ibill does with gkard, but the Epassporte trick is much more stable and intellingent...

I was wondering how long it was going to take for this info to come out ...

A lot of companies were surprised to find out they had ePassporte accounts when they actually never signed up for one. But when ePassporte was in bed together with Paycom, ePassporte accounts were opened to companies with balances and the companies never knew about it...

Ace_luffy · 02-04-2006, 11:35 PM

it's really bad news......

Neighbor · 02-04-2006, 11:42 PM

Exactly my thoughts

ServerGenius · 02-05-2006, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by greenlab

Most of you dont know the real deal behind Epassporte...
Did you ever wonder why everytime someone from epass was posting in threads, they claimed that epassporte has hundred of thousends of users....definetlly not all of them are webmasters

The main scope of existence of epassporte is the issuing of debit cards for chargeback ballancing. It worked like this till now...every %x member that signed up trough paycom (or other processors) for a site membership, were given an epassporte Gift card. It works like this...paycom is giving you a membership to site xxxx for free, as long as you are a member of site yyyyy. In order to process your membership for site xxxx, we are giving you an epass Virtual Visa Gift card. The membership costs 29.99$/month, however, paycom will make sure that the 29.99$ will be deposited everymonth onto your visa gift card.
Actually paycom/epass were crediting your epass visa gift card with 29.99$ every month, and then in 30 secs, they were billing the card though one of designated merchant account, with a cost of just the processing fee (discount rate). By billing hubdreds of thouseds of cards like this, there is now wandering why their chargeback ratio si very low, and they still allow cross sales without any problems...(have seen sites with 2 pre checked crossales).

So this is the biggest reason for epassporte to exist, and this is why it was created...the issuing of plastic debit cards and affiliate/webmaster payments are done just to make epassporte look compliant in the eyes of Visa, as this gets lots of $$$$ volume and they can claim that the main purphose of their service is not the issuing of "gift cards" - and that they are actually a 100% legitimate issuer....

now think for a second...do you think that there are more that 10.000 webmasters that get payments by epassporte ? There is a huge distance to the hundreds of thousents cards that epassporte is claiming they have issued...(and they are telling the truth here). The rest are just "Gift Cards".....and they are trying to offset this by the funds that get moved by affiliate programs and the use of debit cards for widthrawal in all countryes arround the world...

However, thay have gone too far and visa is getting quite close on them....

The trick is somewhat similat to what ibill does with gkard, but the Epassporte trick is much more stable and intellingent...

Bingo.....BEST REPLY I´ve seen on GFY this month

jonesy · 02-05-2006, 01:57 AM

who benefits most from the split?

Oracle Porn · 02-05-2006, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenlab

Most of you dont know the real deal behind Epassporte...
Did you ever wonder why everytime someone from epass was posting in threads, they claimed that epassporte has hundred of thousends of users....definetlly not all of them are webmasters

The main scope of existence of epassporte is the issuing of debit cards for chargeback ballancing. It worked like this till now...every %x member that signed up trough paycom (or other processors) for a site membership, were given an epassporte Gift card. It works like this...paycom is giving you a membership to site xxxx for free, as long as you are a member of site yyyyy. In order to process your membership for site xxxx, we are giving you an epass Virtual Visa Gift card. The membership costs 29.99$/month, however, paycom will make sure that the 29.99$ will be deposited everymonth onto your visa gift card.
Actually paycom/epass were crediting your epass visa gift card with 29.99$ every month, and then in 30 secs, they were billing the card though one of designated merchant account, with a cost of just the processing fee (discount rate). By billing hubdreds of thouseds of cards like this, there is now wandering why their chargeback ratio si very low, and they still allow cross sales without any problems...(have seen sites with 2 pre checked crossales).

So this is the biggest reason for epassporte to exist, and this is why it was created...the issuing of plastic debit cards and affiliate/webmaster payments are done just to make epassporte look compliant in the eyes of Visa, as this gets lots of $$$$ volume and they can claim that the main purphose of their service is not the issuing of "gift cards" - and that they are actually a 100% legitimate issuer....

now think for a second...do you think that there are more that 10.000 webmasters that get payments by epassporte ? There is a huge distance to the hundreds of thousents cards that epassporte is claiming they have issued...(and they are telling the truth here). The rest are just "Gift Cards".....and they are trying to offset this by the funds that get moved by affiliate programs and the use of debit cards for widthrawal in all countryes arround the world...

However, thay have gone too far and visa is getting quite close on them....

The trick is somewhat similat to what ibill does with gkard, but the Epassporte trick is much more stable and intellingent...

should I as an epassporte customer be worried right now?

Oracle Porn · 02-05-2006, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesy

who benefits most from the split?

if shit hits the fan everyone will lose.

RogerV · 02-05-2006, 02:57 AM

I dont think either company is in trouble I would bet it was just a business dicision made by both parties to split completely. nothing is going to change on our end. we will still use both companies and its Business as usual at PornoPushers.

Now send us your traffic..

BabeHunter · 02-05-2006, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenlab

Most of you dont know the real deal behind Epassporte...
Did you ever wonder why everytime someone from epass was posting in threads, they claimed that epassporte has hundred of thousends of users....definetlly not all of them are webmasters

The main scope of existence of epassporte is the issuing of debit cards for chargeback ballancing. It worked like this till now...every %x member that signed up trough paycom (or other processors) for a site membership, were given an epassporte Gift card. It works like this...paycom is giving you a membership to site xxxx for free, as long as you are a member of site yyyyy. In order to process your membership for site xxxx, we are giving you an epass Virtual Visa Gift card. The membership costs 29.99$/month, however, paycom will make sure that the 29.99$ will be deposited everymonth onto your visa gift card.
Actually paycom/epass were crediting your epass visa gift card with 29.99$ every month, and then in 30 secs, they were billing the card though one of designated merchant account, with a cost of just the processing fee (discount rate). By billing hubdreds of thouseds of cards like this, there is now wandering why their chargeback ratio si very low, and they still allow cross sales without any problems...(have seen sites with 2 pre checked crossales).

So this is the biggest reason for epassporte to exist, and this is why it was created...the issuing of plastic debit cards and affiliate/webmaster payments are done just to make epassporte look compliant in the eyes of Visa, as this gets lots of $$$$ volume and they can claim that the main purphose of their service is not the issuing of "gift cards" - and that they are actually a 100% legitimate issuer....

now think for a second...do you think that there are more that 10.000 webmasters that get payments by epassporte ? There is a huge distance to the hundreds of thousents cards that epassporte is claiming they have issued...(and they are telling the truth here). The rest are just "Gift Cards".....and they are trying to offset this by the funds that get moved by affiliate programs and the use of debit cards for widthrawal in all countryes arround the world...

However, thay have gone too far and visa is getting quite close on them....

The trick is somewhat similat to what ibill does with gkard, but the Epassporte trick is much more stable and intellingent...

I wasn't worried untill i read this

damn

Brad Mitchell · 02-05-2006, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenlab

Most of you dont know the real deal behind Epassporte...
Did you ever wonder why everytime someone from epass was posting in threads, they claimed that epassporte has hundred of thousends of users....definetlly not all of them are webmasters

The main scope of existence of epassporte is the issuing of debit cards for chargeback ballancing. It worked like this till now...every %x member that signed up trough paycom (or other processors) for a site membership, were given an epassporte Gift card. It works like this...paycom is giving you a membership to site xxxx for free, as long as you are a member of site yyyyy. In order to process your membership for site xxxx, we are giving you an epass Virtual Visa Gift card. The membership costs 29.99$/month, however, paycom will make sure that the 29.99$ will be deposited everymonth onto your visa gift card.
Actually paycom/epass were crediting your epass visa gift card with 29.99$ every month, and then in 30 secs, they were billing the card though one of designated merchant account, with a cost of just the processing fee (discount rate). By billing hubdreds of thouseds of cards like this, there is now wandering why their chargeback ratio si very low, and they still allow cross sales without any problems...(have seen sites with 2 pre checked crossales).

So this is the biggest reason for epassporte to exist, and this is why it was created...the issuing of plastic debit cards and affiliate/webmaster payments are done just to make epassporte look compliant in the eyes of Visa, as this gets lots of $$$$ volume and they can claim that the main purphose of their service is not the issuing of "gift cards" - and that they are actually a 100% legitimate issuer....

now think for a second...do you think that there are more that 10.000 webmasters that get payments by epassporte ? There is a huge distance to the hundreds of thousents cards that epassporte is claiming they have issued...(and they are telling the truth here). The rest are just "Gift Cards".....and they are trying to offset this by the funds that get moved by affiliate programs and the use of debit cards for widthrawal in all countryes arround the world...

However, thay have gone too far and visa is getting quite close on them....

The trick is somewhat similat to what ibill does with gkard, but the Epassporte trick is much more stable and intellingent...

Hi

Just wanted to say that I enjoyed reading your

Cheers,

Brad

Trax · 02-05-2006, 03:29 AM

i know why there were not more threads about this before shap did a new one...
this might get very interesting very soon.............................................. .......

KCat · 02-05-2006, 04:10 AM

*bookmarking thread*

02-04-2006, 03:16 PM	#55
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Smokey in the past has been right about alot of things in infact more accurate than me by far and definatly more helpful. Ya just goto know how to read em. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-04-2006, 03:22 PM	#56
SmokeyTheBear ►SouthOfHeaven Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: PlanetEarth MyBoardRank: GerbilMaster My-Penis-Size: extralarge MyWeapon: Computer Posts: 28,609	Ithink he just got his panties in a bunch because he thinks i misread this thread when stating epassporte pulling out of adult.. but he is wrong.. he just doesnt understand how to read.. or likes to hang off people's nutsacks.. either way , it hardly makes sense to me that people go out of their way to make enemies when the people they attack dont even know them.. __________________ hatisblack at yahoo.com Last edited by SmokeyTheBear; 02-04-2006 at 03:24 PM..

02-04-2006, 06:15 PM	#62
Wiseman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,990	BLAH BLAH BLAH!! Clay used to Run Paycom then Chris Came in and took shit over. Then Clay Came back in and took shit Back over again. NOW we have bad blood =) Hence paycom and Epassporte parting way's and probably have no intrest in helping either one make more $. I am pretty sure any of us would feel the same way. its pretty basic. I could be off line here but I am sure it is more of a personal issue then a buisness decision. dont get me wrong I love both Clay and Chris. Jesus I wish people had something to do all day then make big deals out of petty shit. THEY DONT GET ALONG ANYMORE PEOPLE!! NOW MOVE ALONG . LOL __________________ []E-mail: [email protected][]ICQ: 109726012[]AIM: QbWiseman Last edited by Wiseman; 02-04-2006 at 06:17 PM..*

02-04-2006, 06:16 PM	#63
adultchica Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: usa Posts: 5,141	As a webmaster, if I can still get my epassporte payments I'm happy. If I can't, then I'm not happy! I hope there is a way for the sponsors to work around this. Epass still has to be cheaper than the extra employee or two you'd have to hire to do the checks that dropping epassporte would require. __________________ Last edited by adultchica; 02-04-2006 at 06:17 PM..

02-04-2006, 06:22 PM	#65
Wiseman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,990	And as far as a timeine on how long it takes you to pay your affiliates because it takes longer to to get your $ into your Epass acount. Well if you are a company waiting around to get paid by everyone who owes you $ before you can make pay outs then I would be more worried about your buisness then Epass or Paycom. __________________ []E-mail: [email protected][]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

02-04-2006, 02:55 PM	#51
BigCashCrew Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 3,570	50 for a good thread

02-04-2006, 04:39 PM	#57
ThumbLord Guest Posts: n/a	thumbs up for Smokey, he does sort of know what he talks about

02-04-2006, 05:30 PM	#58
pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I don't see why they'd drop adult. Adult is a nice niche that they can dominate for years. Everyone acts like it will be easy to cut into Paypal's market share. Good luck with that, Paypal has a great system, better rates, better customer service, and already a huge stranglehold on the market. I think the best way to expand is to maximize areas that Paypal can't touch.

02-04-2006, 06:10 PM	#61
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	I suspect that this isn't bigger news because a lot of people are waiting for the other shoe to fall... Whether that's sponsors discontinuing epass payouts or epass failing/changing biz models. Epass being in trouble isn't such a big leap.. I've been watching some of these companies lately and they seem to all be risky companies. I think EPass was viewed as stronger because they were tied into Epoch but that ended and they're on their own.. Some examples... a company called INTGold collapsed a little while ago.. e-gold has had some problems recently, bank accounts frozen etc. Stormpay appear to be in some major problems right now as well... None of this bodes well for a company like Epass.

02-04-2006, 06:19 PM	#64
Fetish Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 823	Because Epass sucks and is not good for anything except webmaster payments.

02-04-2006, 06:39 PM	#69
TheButcher So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 811	Not surprised since they split up into 2 different businesses a while back.

02-04-2006, 06:52 PM	#74
Wiseman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,990	My panties werent in a bunch at all. I was just saying my life would be ALOT easier if I could just tell affiliates. "Sorry man paycom hasnt paid me yet. or CCbill hasnt paid me yet. Or who ever for that matter. All I am saying is as an affiliate you should not have to worry about MY financial issues. you should know that the program you are sending to can pay you reguardless of how long it takes to get $ ointo there bank acount. I can guarentee you if I was paid late form one of my processors you woul still be paid on time from me. I usually $500000 in debit every month before I get checks! LOL kidding __________________ []E-mail: [email protected][]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

02-04-2006, 06:54 PM	#75
Wiseman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,990	I wasnt upset at all brotha! I want everyones traffic. I am a whore. All I am saying is if these people are worried that it will take to long to get there $ from someone to do payouts then they have more important things to worry about then Chris and Clay pissing with each other. I guarentee Chris and Clay are BOTH excellent buisnessmen and will not let there buisnesses be ruined or damaged in anyway. __________________ []E-mail: [email protected][]ICQ: 109726012[*]AIM: QbWiseman

02-04-2006, 07:11 PM	#78
huey Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: vancouver Posts: 3,791	As long as my money in my epass bizz account dosen't go buy buy in what ever offshore bank they have my money in I don't care. Will definatley not add more to my acccount till more is said. __________________ opinions are like assholes................. "They aren't after me, they are AFTER YOU! Im just in their way" -D.J. Trump

02-04-2006, 07:16 PM	#79
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	Maybe Paycom knows something we don't. There is a "hint", if you will, in the last paragraph of their email.

02-04-2006, 07:20 PM	#80
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Still, there needs to be some explanation here. People can't help but be worried about the future of Epassporte. Whenever you have money tied up somewhere or being routed somewhere it's good to know if that's still an option that makes sense or should you just switch to wires for those accounts. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

02-04-2006, 07:47 PM	#83
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	While I don't think the news is that big, and I know they have personal issues, but I guess it could always be for another reason, like taxes. I can see companies over the years coming up with tax issues on epass from not claiming the money, thinking it was an easy way to hide the money. However, I'm more interested in the paysite companies that took payment that way. Why?? Simple as that. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-04-2006, 08:24 PM	#85
greenlab Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 252	Epass... Most of you dont know the real deal behind Epassporte... Did you ever wonder why everytime someone from epass was posting in threads, they claimed that epassporte has hundred of thousends of users....definetlly not all of them are webmasters The main scope of existence of epassporte is the issuing of debit cards for chargeback ballancing. It worked like this till now...every %x member that signed up trough paycom (or other processors) for a site membership, were given an epassporte Gift card. It works like this...paycom is giving you a membership to site xxxx for free, as long as you are a member of site yyyyy. In order to process your membership for site xxxx, we are giving you an epass Virtual Visa Gift card. The membership costs 29.99$/month, however, paycom will make sure that the 29.99$ will be deposited everymonth onto your visa gift card. Actually paycom/epass were crediting your epass visa gift card with 29.99$ every month, and then in 30 secs, they were billing the card though one of designated merchant account, with a cost of just the processing fee (discount rate). By billing hubdreds of thouseds of cards like this, there is now wandering why their chargeback ratio si very low, and they still allow cross sales without any problems...(have seen sites with 2 pre checked crossales). So this is the biggest reason for epassporte to exist, and this is why it was created...the issuing of plastic debit cards and affiliate/webmaster payments are done just to make epassporte look compliant in the eyes of Visa, as this gets lots of $$$$ volume and they can claim that the main purphose of their service is not the issuing of "gift cards" - and that they are actually a 100% legitimate issuer.... now think for a second...do you think that there are more that 10.000 webmasters that get payments by epassporte ? There is a huge distance to the hundreds of thousents cards that epassporte is claiming they have issued...(and they are telling the truth here). The rest are just "Gift Cards".....and they are trying to offset this by the funds that get moved by affiliate programs and the use of debit cards for widthrawal in all countryes arround the world... However, thay have gone too far and visa is getting quite close on them.... The trick is somewhat similat to what ibill does with gkard, but the Epassporte trick is much more stable and intellingent...

02-04-2006, 08:28 PM	#86
greenlab Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 252	There are several other debit card payment systems that can issue no name maestro cards that can be used worldwide. The cards are issued 100% from the US, they have no name embossed on the card and can be issued from stock, without any id requiremens and can be issued worldwide (not only to use citizens). Wire load is also avaiable.. https://www.virtualmoneyinc.com/

02-04-2006, 08:36 PM	#87
EdgeXXX Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Secretely plotting a hostile takeover Posts: 5,816	We (EdgeFX) don't do business with Epass for a reason, but we were going to give Paycom/Epoch the benefit of the doubt and try to work with them. Personally (my own opinion), I think BOTH companies leave alot to be desired in terms of Customer/Client Service and Satisfaction. If either company wants to make a solid future for itself, they need to step it up a notch. __________________ . . . . I have a sig

02-04-2006, 11:35 PM	#90
Ace_luffy www.creationcrew.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM CREATIONCREW.COM Posts: 12,110	it's really bad news...... __________________ ++ Adult and Mainstream Websites Designs \| 10 banners for only $50 \| html5 Banners ++ email : [email protected] Telegram : https://t.me/creationcrew \| HTML5/Responsive Site - Div/CSS - ElevatedX - NATs - Wordpress

02-04-2006, 11:42 PM	#91
Neighbor Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,511	Exactly Exactly my thoughts

02-05-2006, 01:57 AM	#93
jonesy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,688	who benefits most from the split? __________________ . Shooting Bikini Girls

02-05-2006, 02:57 AM	#96
RogerV Banned! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,591	I dont think either company is in trouble I would bet it was just a business dicision made by both parties to split completely. nothing is going to change on our end. we will still use both companies and its Business as usual at PornoPushers. Now send us your traffic..

02-05-2006, 03:29 AM	#99
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	i know why there were not more threads about this before shap did a new one... this might get very interesting very soon.............................................. .......

02-05-2006, 04:10 AM	#100
KCat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: PNW Posts: 2,204	bookmarking thread __________________ ~ 300+ FHGs, 100,000 pics to use plus a rockin' Video of the Day download! ~