Antonio

Exactly, so if they want to do it they actually can, can't wait for China to break away with their new domains, if they can pull that everybody else will start doing it. I'm more that willing to give credit to the US for starting the whole Internet thingy, but having Bush controling it makes me uneasy.

Fizzgig

I'd never feel sorry for someone who has $14 million to pay for 6 letters and a dot.

That's $2 million per letter and $2 million for the dot.

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polish_aristocrat

as usually people arguing about politics and Bush states...

how about someone more familiar with the legislation process answers how long will it take till we know if this bill passes?

and do you actually see it being introduced, and getting the support from both Democrats and Republicans?

some of the religious groups and organisations like Family Research Council were recently strongly against the .xxx idea, but they argued that they are against, because its voluntary. Now since this one is mandatory, they could be probably supporting it...

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Yup, amazing

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If they want ot use filters Just make a mandatory rating system embedded in mata tags on sites and have stiff penalties if you dont ahve the meta tags in yoru site then any fitlering software could easily block said sites.

B O B

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GatorB

And that has to do with what MORON? I am not a democrat you dipshit. Arkansas you can legally marry your mother. So that state is fucked up. which I believe that is my point.

You are a piece of shit asshole and a complete idiot. I'm tired are arguing with your retarded ass. Go suck more Bush cock while you are working at Burger King or in jail retard. When are you going to learn he does NOT have your best interest at heart. Do you think he is FOR porn on the internet? Um.. no. Do you he would instantly ban porn of all kinds if he had the power too. Think about that. Of course he would.

I don't have any more time to waste on you. You should do the world a favor and blow your brains out. Hopefully you haven't spawned and little turds like yourself. If you did please have them neutered before you blow your brains out to spare future generations any more of your recessive genes. You are on IGNORE so don't bother replying to my posts. Of course unless you like talking to yourself which I think you do.

Scootermuze

Supposedly to be used for sites harmful to minors....?

Hell.. It'll let em know just where to go to get it..

Won't ever work even if implemented..

Heywood Jablome

Teenagers are more computer savvy than their parents, they won't have any problem getting around the .XXX filters.

The .xxx proposal was floated around last year and it didn't fly, hopefully this is also just a trial balloon.

B O B

"The .xxx proposal was floated around last year and it didn't fly, hopefully this is also just a trial balloon."

What you mean it didnt fly...its flying its flying

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minusonebit

Heard about this on NPR today.

Personally, I think its an OK idea. I dont like the free speech implications but I do like the idea of porn having its own exclusive area on the web.

I also like the idea that I'll be able to snatch up a shitload of .xxx domains in an uncrowded namespace. Being an 80s child, the .com revoultion was almost over with by the time I was born. I'd still like to sell a domain for six figures. hehe

GatorB

A) If you think you are going to get any of the good .XXX names you are sorely mistaken. There will be a select few that will get their hands on them and you will not be one of them.

B) do you realize that if there is a .XXX and its mandatory all the government has to to is require ISPs to BLOCK all .XXX domains. Or perhaps the ISPs in certain conservative states will do that on their own. How much money are you making then?

RawAlex

This is another one of those "order paper" bills that disappears at the end of the session. That it is only coming out in March means that it is EXTREMELY unlikely to even get a decent reading, as congress will close for the season soon enough so that the mid term people can go off and try to get re-elected.

This is the sort of thing that these two dillweed politicians can use in their campaign ads in the future - "brought forward legislation to protect children from harm on the internet" or some shit like that. It is VERY important for democrats in conservative areas to have this sort of thing in their pockets to show that they are "trying hard" to the church going bible thumpers.

It should also be noted that literally hundreds of pieces of legislation get "introduced" each year and then promptly die on the order paper because there is little or no real support or desire to move such an act forward. At this point, I was unable to the S number for this document, and unable to find anything like it in the congressional register, so it is likely just a trial balloon deal.

It would also be something that would be directly subject to first amendment challenges, as it would limit permitted free speech, and would allow third parties (such as ISPs or other common carriers) to block .XXX material because they do not agree with it, moving the internet porn business into a ghetto that could easily be blocked and sealed off.

Imagine for a minute that say there is a christian backbone provider, owned by, I dunno, a company out of salt Lake City or Mississippi or something, and they decide that they will not carry traffic for any IP that resolves to a .XXX domain. Perhaps they will not carry traffic to any network that has .XXX domains on it.

Suddenly, huge parts of the internet are effectively blackholed.

Christian groups would likely form the "Good parents IP block list" and distribute it free of charge to any ISP or backbone provider that was interested.

Free speech suddenly gets limited.

Not good.

Alex

RawAlex

For those who are curious, you can look at the (are you ready) 160 items introduced or posted for 03/15/06 here:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...D010+20060316))

That is right... 160 items in a single day...

Snowball in hell time.

Alex

Webby

Sheesh... there are some retards around who can't see further than the end of their noises.

Apart from naive webmasters - they extend up to the govt they elected. No wonder the US is getting deeper in the mire daily - it's sad shit all round.

Purporting to be protecting children and only having one braincell makes even that difficult.

PS... Can someone remind the instigating Senators of this proposed legislation and the US Dept of Commerce that they have no jurisdiction over domains not hosted in US territory? Also that ICANN remains a US DOD subcontractor and this situation does not satisfy other countries in the handling of their TLD's and they are moving towards an international version of ICANN in a neutral jurisdiction and full representation of all participating countries.

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Big Red Machine

They should create .kids if this was trully about protecting kids, but its not forcing everyone to buy the domains. Plus I bet they won't be 15 bucks

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Wont go through

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nico-t

i dont care about the fuss being created by some lamers from the US... i dont live there so fuck em.

btw: u can give all your dot coms to me

Zester

you know why this democrat shit never ends?

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. by Albert Einstein."

http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1349

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how much money did lawley and hendeles pony up to these guys to set this bill through?

tranza

Are you really THAT stupid?

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adultchica

That's a stupid bill, it won't float.

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tony286

it will be interesting to see what happens also if you think I will just move my server offshore and im fine. If you live in the usa and the money comes back into the usa you have to follow the rules.

tony286

also I thought about it ,it becomes law whats to stop it costing $500 a domain? I wouldnt panic this is a election year so there is going to be alot of showboating.

ajrocks

Who operates in the US now? You are crazy if you do! LOL

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stickyfingerz

Hmm bannable offense?



Btw dumb ass. I have a 5 bedroom 2.5 bath brand new house k thx bye. Married with two beautiful daughters.

Your logic is so weak its pathetic. You tout out all these numbers saying it doesnt matter that the two senators are democrats because they come from a red state. We show you that the Gov of Montana is a Democrat, and Bill fucking Clinton was the Gov of Arkansas, and then the President of our country and won the state both times. Dude give up. I see you put me on ignore too. Its always the weak minded that must use that ignore button when they get their asses whipped. lol

stickyfingerz

How is it stupid to point out the fact that Dems are pushing the bill, when everyone runs around on this board blaming republicans for going after the porn market. The plain fact is that the Republicans realize how much of a driving force Porn is in our economy and wont do anything to try and stop it. Please link me to all the republicans that have tried and passed legislation to ban porn. Otherwise stop blaming it on the republicans and stfu.

Btw wasnt it Clinton that pushed for all the age verification crap?

tony286

Right wing have created a theme , you know this. Now they are trying to out right wing each other. The only time porn gets attacked is during Republican admin like it or not its the truth.

stickyfingerz

Again Clinton signed in the age verification crap.

one eight

Hate to interrupt this pissing contest.. but I, for one, would like to hear more from others interested in discussing the probability of new legislation being passed and its implications on the industry.

Also, there is one other item that hasn't been discussed yet:

Several have mentioned that going "off-shore" will be the solution... but isn't it entirely possible that other countries will follow suit? Couldn't a massive domino effect take place with other nations drafting similar legislation? Aren't the Christian right concerns of parents, conservatives, etc. the same worldwide? And aren't their methodologies also similar?

Could the world face pressure to adapt to .xxx?

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Webby

Does it really matter one toss who in the US legislature supports or does not support this? The track record all round in the legislature has been a very sad joke and extends to far more than issues over a TLD and has sure not been in the interests of the people voting these idiots into office.

Bottom line... The only item of civil code introduced within the US has been 2257. In practice, this has not been enforced in real terms and I got serious doubts that *any* further versions will be enforced either.

Any person or legislature/government of any country requires far more than the ramblings of US Senators to effective enact net laws or agreements for child protection. This is not a US domestic issue and pointless if it is ever considered as such.

Regarding the US economy. I've never saw much concern over any fiscal policy in the last few years. Why do you think anyone has a braincell to count porn dollars? Porn sure as hell is no "driving force" in any economy.

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Webby

If you mean by "offshore", outside the US? Yea.. anyone, apart from corps and webmaster who actually reside in the US, are better out of the US. There is no benefit since the time hosting costs became comparable elsewhere.

I've never heard of any other country particularly ranting about the net and child protection recently, tho sure, there are going to be some who want to introduce some legislation.

Only my worth, adult offshore will be much the same as the financial offshore biz - namely, an earner for certain jurisdictions. There is also the situation where if one offshore area ceased to be active in this area, another 100 are waiting in line to take up the business.

Na.. the Christian right in the US are something not of this planet. Sanity, with the exception of sects in other countries, prevail. You ever noticed how only folks with a problem keep talking about religion and rights?? Everyone else have their beliefs and rights and take them for granted without a discussion.


PS.. Tho side note!! Blair in the UK started trying his religous beliefs on the population lately in an attempt to copy Bush, - but that sank like a lead brick.

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one eight

I see what you mean webby, about the US being somewhat of a "special" circumstance in this regard. Yeah- it's bastardization of the word special, but you probably get my point.

However, in my naive and totally un-political view, there seems to be somewhat of a rift developing worldwide between Judeo Christian and Muslim forces. The war, terrorism, chaos, cartoons and violence have spread to several continents and each side seems to be rallying hard for support against the other. Feels like large-scale polarization to me. This is all fine and good, except that neither side likes porn.

I fear marginalization as possible fallout:

We may feel large and unified because we've got a board that moves at the speed of light, and can earn a decent living in an industry that seemingly knows no bounds. But I think the reality is that MUCH larger forces are currently at work to lure the populace towards a life that doesn't recognize this industry.

Don't want to be the boy that cries wolf, but from where I'm standing.... WOLF! And it's not just this bill, although whether it passes or not, this bill is certainly a significant development.

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SomeCreep

Those politicians are so clueless. With all the things going on in the world, they spend their time creating ridiculous legislation to try and regulate/restrict porn on the internet.

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tony286

yeah but during reagan era adam and eve spent 1 million dollars fighting the feds.Read about the Meese Commission or see the documentary about deep throat thats was Nixon. During Clinton porn grew in leaps and bounds his Atty general felt going after adult porn was a waste of government resources.

SmokeyTheBear

i own gfy.xxx and gofuckyourself.xxx the starting bid is 10 million cash

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reed_4

exactly! they should prioritize bills that is really beneficial to the country not just to oppose this biz.

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It won't pass believe me :-) Porn is Free Speech, as they say in school

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Webby

Little doubts there is polarisation ASC! From the few folks I know who happen to be of Muslim face - frankly, they seem as disappointed in the way things are going as the Christian side (excluding for a moment, the US sect type "Christianity" - that's no better the the bin Laden version of the Muslim faith). I seriously doubt folks around the globe are interested in their lives being screwed by either external interference or by extremists like Osama - they just want peace from disruptive trash. It's only me, but I got nada problem with anyone, irrespective of their faith - it's their right to do as they wish.

But, yea... smell times are changing and other influences are at work - some of it is blatantly transparent, other stuff is more subtle. There is also a changing economic world where what were "third world countries" are shifting upwards economically. For the current "status holders" this is a threat and for the developing countries, it may be they are now attempting to show "the way it will be", hence possible polarisation.

IMHO .. politics has hijacked a number of elements in a society that were held in high regard - religion being one. The "political biz" has reached the gutter and where they will attempt to represent anything to get votes. The same applies to the Muslim faith. I never knew govts were elected based on faith - I thought they were elected to manage economies and build roads.

I may be cynical, but sure there is an element of "righteousness" in the current proposals by the US govt for child protection and little more than "appeasement" to any instance of CP or related issues picked up by the US media. The principle is valid and with some folks, it may actually be well-intentioned. The fact that the US DOJ felt the need to make a public statement on the multi-jurisdictional CP issue yesterday is probably meaningful. What other govt got their legal rep to say anything? It appears there are far more relevant issues to be addressing that a specific CP investigation. It may be more useful to address the problems in New Orleans first.

It's only by worth, but also smell desperation setting in and attempts to "do something" which will gain approval - porn is an easy target and mix that with children and ya got a cocktail which follows along the lines of "preferred control".

It may have been forgotten, - when "someone" tapped into VISA US and they then made decisions to invoke fees, track paysite membership data and establish the owners/operators of paysites, that this information is now accessible to any US prosecutor who wishes to "play". No other banking region agreed to the kind offer from VISA.

I got no problem with killing access by children to adult sites, but seriously doubt this is within the capability of one country. It needs international agreement (which can, again, bring problems to this biz if the people agreeing have little clue). Tho, any computer savy kid will access sites, irrespective of barriers and it may be more an issue with parents having control over their children.

Hell.. enough rambling!!

PS.. Are you actually in Costa Rica? I'm in Escazu

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one eight

How funny! Yeah- I'm in San Pedro. Let's grab a beer.

What you described concerns me. A lot. I'm a great lover of personal freedoms and grey-area activities like smoking pot and nude sunbathing, and other things you could in all 50 states 10 years ago, but could do hard time for today.

I have no idea what will happen with this bill, but I'm afraid the .xxx will prevail.

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coming from an idiot that cant even spell seriously properly.

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Webby

A few bottles of Imperial is a good idea!

I bet nude sun bathing is a public indecency offense with a term of 5 years??

There appear to be even more webmasters heading this way to escape - and also for varied other reasons I know a few US and Canadian folks moving here soon and also some from the EU - it sounds like a community is developing.

Who knows, but kinda doubt the current proposals will end up as legislation. From what has been published so far, it appears too simplified and weak with no consideration of other issues going on re ICANN, TLD control and country representation.

If it does pass into law, it will obviously cause problems for webmasters in the US and likely give a few other countries some hosting business. Fortunately all others don't operate under US law, but ya kinda feel pissed on principle for those it may affect.

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erehwon

I agree with Ronaldo on this one, and besides yacking about it on an adult webmasters board, it should be presented as a press release to the mainstream media for what it is, a solution to keeping children from viewing adult matter.

Not to mention a little backround on 2257 and the other bills out there, I find it abhorrent that the U.S. Govt is spending all this time and $$$ trying to stamp out porn, and if Joe and Jane Sixpack knew about it, they too would more than likely be up in arms about it.

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polish_aristocrat

hm i cant comment on it but hope you're right

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pussyluver

Exactly
And it's in place now.

Example:



<meta NAME="Voluntary Content Rating" content="adult">
<meta NAME="rating" content="adult">
<meta NAME="classification" CONTENT="Adult Entertainment">



<meta http-equiv=\"pics-label\" content='(pics-1.1 \"http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html\" comment \"ICRAonline EN v2.0\" l gen true for \"http://pussyluvers.com\" r (na 1 nb 1 nc 1 nd 1 ne 1 nf 1 ng 1 nh 1 ni 1 vz 1 la 1 lb 1 lc 1 oa 1 ob 1 oc 1 og 1 ca 1) \"http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html\" l gen true for \"http://pussyluvers.com\" r (n 4 s 4 v 0 l 4))'>


All could be solved with any of the above almost overnight. Oh wait, not complex enough!!! The other thing is that it makes it easy to find the adult sites when the Internet Police come looking...

scoreman

Holy shit this is a crazy stupid bill. Have these legislators no clue as to how to even spell the word practicality? How in the world will ALL the adult domains ever get registered within 60 days?

More ridiculous is how in the world all the domains pushing joins through IPSPs will ever get all the adult domains VISA approved in 60 days. ALL OF THEM run through the VISA song and dance routine in 60 days? Try 60 months maybe you dumbass USA Senators.

I am so disgusted with all the crap happening in Congress that is anti-adult industry these days. 2257, COPA, Obscenity, and not mandatory dot XXX? Folks we have problems, I find it hard to believe we can outrun all these attacks. Eventually some of this shit they are slinging is going to stick.

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