stickyfingerz

Ya guess I cant spell Laughing out Loud either. LOL What a testical sore you are. Retard.

Shoehorn!

Very true.

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yol_yo_yo

As a kid, you dont stop with legislations, if u want porn you get it, and no rules will stop you, they will delay you maybe a week or a month, but they wont stop you.

Tom_PM

Yep. .kids is the way to do it. All new computers would be set to only access .kids by default.

.xxx would be horrible. It wont pass.

Even during the porn hearings recently, only one mentioned support for it, and nobody on the panel agreed with him. Another on the panel even made a nice statement about how he supervises his children while they're on the computer and how it's not all that difficult to do.

I think this is bullhonky made for elections, nothing more.

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EZRhino

These fucking politicians are fucking idiots. Why dont they go after aol and yahoo and myspace for giving a venue for child predators.

yol_yo_yo

for affiliates if this bill does go through, expect traffic to go down by 90% and conversions to shoot up the ratio!

Webby

Agree Tom

The desperation of a politician on a political trail knows no ends or depths. If pigs could vote, they'd be kisses their asses.

Tho even pigs might object to that

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boinkcams

Hmmm, interesting..

V_RocKs

And when a website moves offshore it stops paying the US taxes....

Webby

Agree... There are also 1000's of other non-US webmasters who may currently simply be hosting within US territory who are likely to give that hosting business to other countries with more favorable laws.

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FightThisPatent

The (reported) revenue based on web-based businesses will probably not be missed at all in return for what conservatives believe would be "cleaning up the internet".

For those that are briefly paying attention, i would recommend really paying attention to this new law and all the other 2257 related angles that are being used to force a moral agenda.

.XXX in the abstract is not a bad idea. Having an organization like IFFOR define business practices, etc is a bad idea. Having .XXX is not necessarily a bad idea, *IF* save harbour was given for content that had the domain (and would presumely have to give up the .COM or atleast have it not be active)

If conservatives really believe that .XXX will protect children, then why not give safe harbour to those (U.S.) webmasters that use it?

The unintended consequences is that MORE porn sites will come to US hosting for billing, bandwidth, and corporate logistics. Those that want to do deceptive marketing and show very graphic depictions, will simply go off-shore.

Conservatives make it seem like a kid surfer would be on a kid-friendly webiste and then click by some "bad" website.

The .XXX bill could very well get passed because it is a "feel good" decision to vote for it by congress, but it will surely cause alot of grief for business owners who run a clean ship, and now are thrown under the bus with the bad/deceptive websites.

.KIDS is certainly the best way of how white-listing approach can be very effective, but the lawmakers are many times ignorant of technology, especially when they believe that having a .XXX domain will be the magic shield that will protect children.

There are other technological ways, but conservatives want knee-jerk / short-sighted solutions that do little to really solve the problem.

Those FBI agents who haven't been pulled onto homeland security duty who go out and bust pedos, are being pulled of those CP cases to deal with obscenity.

Credit card processors are increasingly feeling the heat because CP distibution is UP, and it's hosted and being processed right here in the US by mainstream sites and companies.

When the time comes for action, the ringing of the bell to get people motiviated to write to congress or do some kind of action to demonstrate your rights as Americans is needed.. i hope that many will come to FSC's calling.. because fighting off a bill like this .XXX will take even more $$$ and action from people.


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Kevin - The PNN

I would love CCBill, Net Billing, and third party billing companies to chech their records to see if and what porn sites Senators Max Baucus (Dem, MT) and Mark Pryor (Dem, AR) joined. I am sure our there is many in our government that buy and have bought porn online.

Exposing thier porn interest will shut the fuckers up.

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Dirty Dane

Instead of letting kids surf the internet, why don't they just send them to church. I'm sure they will be safe there, especially with the catholic priests... lol (edit )

RawAlex

I don't know what is more scary: The politicians and their entirely unworkable schemes or "leaders in the webmaster community" that love to stir the shit, fan the flames, and secure their position on the top of the heap as a result.

Alex

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Webby

In abstract, would you trust a govt with the track record it has?? .XXX is a shit idea under these circumstances.

Re IFFOR - I wish people would stop kidding themselves and running out setting up "organizations" purporting to represent adult webmasters and their interests - including advocating .XXX TLD's, ripping off grandiose policies on human rights, claiming to set forth a declaration of good business practices simply because a domain is a .XXX TLD (with the implication an adult webmaster who did not care to join the .XXX TLD club was not operating "good business practices") and along with the usual Washington crap about the noble aims of protecting children. Does IFFOR have any track record? Doubt it.

Since when did any government agree to give safe harbour unless there large amounts of revenue flowing to interested parties? The prospect of any government on this planet giving safe harbour to the adult biz is very remote. Governments change their minds and the rules each Monday morning.

You think? What do you think has been happening over the last couple of years? Individuals and companies have moved hosts to other regions outside the US simply because of the unstable verbal coming out of Washington. The US is not a favourable location for hosting. This has little to do with "graphic depictions" or "deceptive marketing", but more a matter of common business sense. Corps are not noted for locating in areas not conducive to their business.

Agree it can possibly cause grief, tho why do you assume this relates to "bad/deceptive websites"?? Is there a suggestion that not having a .XXX means a webmaster runs "bad/deceptive websites"?

Totally agree!!

Really? I thought the frenzy of the day was CP. So much for addressing CP and concern over protecting children. Why would the FBI now turn their resources over to obscenity? The logic is missing, but would be little surprise.
I assume everyone with a .XXX TLD will of course, have safe harbour.

Don't doubt it is up generally, the scum are everywhere. But you ask CCBill if they are feeling the heat? I never knew reputable processors transacted for CP websites in the US, tho there was an issue with one adult webmaster over a stuffed yellow penguin which CCBill appear to have resolved. Seriously, what's the problem with this? Where are the lawdogs? I assume they are now busy addressing obscenity as an issue?

Bottom line... Operating in the adult business within the US is a liability for many reasons, among which are VISA US practices in that region where data on surfer memberships, site owners/operators blah is available for government inspection and also because of the purported dribble concerning child protection with the unenforced edition of 2257, the "new" 2257 and the .XXX bullshit. If ever there was a desire for control as in many other areas of life in the US, this is it.

In practice and in keeping with the track record, the effort to *actually* take action for child protection has been weak at best. Pedo webmasters are a relatively easy capture and don't doubt the FBI is aware of many. There was minimal checking of 2257 records since the introduction of this piece of Civil Code - forget the prospect of any increased checking in any "new 2257". On child offenses, the government still have a problem passing over bodies of US citizens charged with sex offenses against minors in other nations. There is a element of cheap talk and a fair degree of hypocracy and this is noteable in comparison with many other nations who "appear" to act and not just talk about it.

If you are seriously saying the attraction of a .XXX TLD in the US will have such an appeal that "MORE porn sites will come to US hosting for billing, bandwidth, and corporate logistics" under these conditions - I'm really missing something along the way.

Today it is .XXX, tomorrow it will be goose pimples on models or gay rights for tranny webmasters. For any business in a position to reallocate and not operate under US laws, - it's a major plus not having the baggage.

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.XXX is a bad idea (period) (exclamation mark)

But, since congress is going seriously down the road to passing such legislation, then you can try to blow up the rails of that train, slow it down, or help to alter its course.

The idea of suggesting the "safe harbour" if you use a .XXX domain (and put the .com on the shelf) is to throw back to those who support .XXX when they claim it will protect children.

If .XXX will protect children, then why not give safe harbour?

This will probably not occur, since the religious groups are upset about .XXX for fear of "legitimizing" porn, and having a safe harbour statue, would mean more porn would come to the US as i stated.

So if no safe harbour is given, and .XXX is passed with its draconian and see-no-porn-purist attitudes, then it does signal a strong "get out now you fool" signal, for those companies that are still in the US.

Yes, the exodus to move overseas has been going on, but mainly by the larger companies that can afford to incorporate offshore.

The big companies like Playboy and Hustler won't be going offshore, they will have the resources to ride out the flood, once the the heavy rains rall.

I have heard the arguments against .KIDS... that they say look how many signed up for .kids.us

This is a lame citing by the .XXX supporters. An organization like IFFOR should be the one to monitor the .KIDS TLD, and companies like AOL, google, have great private sector power to enforce the rules that kid specific sites should have a .KIDS domain to allow acccess, etc.

I have heard that they said there is no money in .KIDS

This is a very revealing statement....so this isn't about protecting kids, its really about making money? Yes, we all know the almighty dollar is the driver for most things, but there can be a great economic opportunity for .KIDS domains, where the domain may cost $200/year because of the maintenance and support needed to ensure that .KIDS domains don't go rogue and change to adult offerings, etc.

.KIDS could also help with spam.. that kids would have a hotmail.kids or aol.kids address, and an amendment to CAN-SPAM that sending the bad email to a .kids email address is a felony.

I have heard some say that .KIDS will help the pedos find the kids by going to those specific sites.... hello, pedos know where the kids are. they are in AOL chat rooms, in myspace chat rooms, etc.... a .KIDS domain doesn't make the website a bullseye for pedos..

There is alot of ignorance and spin that is being thrown around by .XXX supporters (and as you have read from the bill, DEMOCRATS are onboard with this idea as well).

Gone are the arguements that if .XXX is made mandatory that businesses will leave, taking their tax base with them. The .XXX supporters won't worry about that. They will be wearing the blinders to think that it is good that the pornographers are driven outside of the US, but it only means more porn will be imported into the US, rather than already here (hence the futileness of their "solution")

These issues do get complex and involved due to politics, ignorance, and personal agendas.

My intent in my postings is to make those that are concerned over this issue to be vigilant and to be ready to act when FSC rings the bell.

If you ask Joe Average on the street if they think having a .XXX TLD is a good idea, most will say yes. They will say atleast you know that it is a porn site.

The masses viewpoint is hard to argue against, they don't see the 1st amendment, they don't see the obscenity prosecutions, they see the simple fact that the .XXX extension could let people (and kids) know what the website content will contain.


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ICM Registry as stated that they have $250K set aside to prevent .XXX from being mandatory....



here is their statement:
http://www.icmregistry.com/ICMCyberSafety.html

ICM Registry comments on the proposed ?Cyber Safety for Kids Act of 2006?

While we are gratified that the Senators seem to understand the value of ICM Registry?s proposal, we are concerned that the legislation ignores the fact that ICANN was established as a privately controlled, international organization and not as the arm of any government.

Contrary to the assertion in the proposed legislation, the memorandum of understanding (MOU) between the Department of Commerce (DOC) and ICANN contemplates that the DOC and ICANN will collaborate on developing policies and procedures for creating new TLDs. The MOU does not give the DOC authority to select the top level domains that would be added to the root system. That approach is unworkable given the Internet's global reach and is antithetical to the concept of private sector management on which ICANN rests.

Anyone who followed the recently concluded World Summit on the Information Society understands that unilateral US action in the absence of any threat to the security or stability of the root is unacceptable to the global Internet community.

Furthermore, a mandatory domain of any sort is fundamentally incompatible with the open and voluntary nature of the Internet. Only a voluntary system that provides incentives for websites to use the domain can hope to be effective.

Any mandatory adult domain would instantly face constitutional problems. For example, for the past eight years the United States has tried to defend the Child Online Protection Act from a First Amendment challenge, and the Supreme Court in 2004 upheld an injunction barring its enforcement. That law has never gone into effect, and it appears doubtful it ever will.

Any legislation to impose a labeling or ratings system on Internet content providers would face insurmountable First Amendment problems, as well. ICM Registry has committed to oppose any such mandatory proposal and has also provided a White Paper explaining in detail why this is true. The Congressional Research Service recently analyzed this issue and stated in a report that any such mandatory plan would raise constitutional doubts.

ICANN has followed a thorough and rigorous process for evaluating new TLDs, including the ICM Registry proposal ? a process that has taken more than 2 years. A voluntary TLD can provide the benefits sought by this Bill and can be operational within months. Under a mandatory approach, however, those benefits face years of legal challenges and may never see the light of day.


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if .XXX gets passed, there will be several "industry leaders" that can be thanked for that... whether misguided, misinformed, or greed was the factor, the result is that adult industry support for .XXX help got ICM Registry on the map with ICANN, and created the opportunity for congress to take that .XXX TLD application and use it for their own means.

Sure, congress could have dreamed up .XXX or .SEX or .SMUT on their own, but the ICM Registry .XXX TLD application had a thought-out plan and structure and had proven to ICANN that they had constituency of the adult community.

Those listed at http://www.FightTheDotXXX.com can be seen as a pretty good representation that there IS NOT constituency in the adult community.


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Manowar

this thread is MASSIVE

nakedhollywood

People do need to realize that it is the internet and that at this point besides all the parental control software, they the parents need to be up on everthing there kids are doing. I mean Myspace wasn't created to be a sex site and yet every week there's another 10-15 yo kid who was lured aware and raped by some pedo they met there. Where were mommy and daddy to supervise what the kid was doing?

I mean why don't they pass a bill that states you can't have the internet or cable if you have kids under 17 in your home? That's unfair to everyone with kids, but grown adults must lose more and more freedom because some parent's won't take responsibility for their kids.

Hollywood376

Now that makes sense. That is why it will never be considered!!!

Hollywood376

.....and a squatter is born.

directfiesta

Since you are so smart, why don't you explain....

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GatorB

because they can't tell that http://fuckmyass.com is porn site?

FightThisPatent

well, that is a bit obvious, but try this pop quiz

domain = tiava.com

[ ] Porn site
[ ] Non porn site
[ ] Tivo's sister


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GatorB

On of course some 7 years old just naturally thinks of http://tiava.com on his own. Sorry Christian parents are just lazy nowadays and expect the government to do the raising of kids. From preventing them from seeing porn to teaching about Jesus in schools. I'm a parent and I'll raise my kid just fine without the governments "help" thank you very much.

Biggy

all this talk about tiava (and its a great site ), but guess what, the owner of tiava is a non-us citizen, so guess what, you just showed the ineffectiveness of this legislation.

FightThisPatent

LOL.. exactly!

but this obvious fact won't deter congress (including democrats!) from this feel-good thing of passing a .XXX law.. [what would Ross Perot do?]

at the previous senate judiciary committee hearing on internet pornography where Paul Cambria was on the panel, the senators were pressing him to take back the message from congress to the industry to do some labelling and some steps to keep kids out, or they would do it themselves.. very chilling..

the answer that parents should be controlling their kids activities on the internet is the wrong answer to give back to congress. Government steps in when people can do for themselves, so if parents are ignorant of the internet, don't provide software to do their own screening, they will just cry to the government, or be used as a pawn by religious groups to show how some poor parent is incapable of knowing how to keep up with their kids on the internet.

Congress wants labeling to be done.. and for those outside of the adult biz, .XXX seems to be a no-brainer way to label.. especially if made mandatory.

If US-based websites all self-labeled their content as being adult content, then in one part, that would slow down this movement. ICRA labeling is certainly one method.

The problem is that there are already websites that do self-label...but its the sites that host overseas that may appear in conservatives web browser, and to them, offshore porn is just like it was next door to them... so again, how futile the effort to control.. that only punishes those that are in the US running a legit business (with concerns for protecting children by like not having any graphic images on the homepage with clear warnings that the content is adult in nature, etc).




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polish_aristocrat

SMALL BUMP

did this bill and the whole proposal hit the mainstream media yet ?

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http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=...highlight=.xxx


the "unmandatory" .xxx will be approved next week?

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